Season of the Witch 2

On September 15 2015 17:11 Vivax wrote:
List of people who afked after posting.

LS
TheShining
Bill Murray
Dandel Ion

On September 15 2015 17:53 Vivax wrote:
I'm taking a leap of faith here that you're town and correct rayn. I'm the martyr.

On September 15 2015 17:29 Vivax wrote:
Oh and it's silent nights so no chance for the martyr to crumb anything during them, only atferwards.

Still, later in the game the role can prove useful cause if he witnesses a witch kill being saved by angels the martyr can confirm him as town after claiming.

On September 15 2015 18:01 Fecalfeast wrote:

Any reason or you're just mafia?

On September 15 2015 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am not sure why that would make him town. He would do the same thing if he was mafia and did not care.
And not caring honestly points more towards being mafia than town.

On September 15 2015 18:42 Dandel Ion wrote:

lynch imo

On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote:
Well I'm also waiting on HtS to make an entrance, but I have to head to work soon.

I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on.

I'm not sure I like BM.

This was an odd explanation to throwing out a townread on rayn.

On September 15 2015 21:25 Half the Sky wrote:
Middle of page 10 - going to agree with the LS/Shining scumreads since they are the only things they've posted.

I know LS has trouble playing scum when he is scum so this could easily follow that premise.

Dandel's posting is less indicative, he could really not care for all I know.

On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia.

On September 16 2015 03:44 Fecalfeast wrote:

Now you can feel feelings for me? How nervous was I?

On September 16 2015 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Because i was talking withgeript about how we play and what are our strengths in games. We both agreed i am really good in breaking setuos and finding holes in them. I am pretty sure BM was there at that time, and therefore his opening would make sense from town perspective.

After giving it more thought he woyld probably say that as mafia aswell, so i dont really think that matters.

On September 16 2015 02:56 LightningStrike wrote:

HTS I think she is more likely town she came up with her own original idea about Geript which I kinda agree with given my history with Geript for his weird wording on his posts. Geript is a scumlean for now some of wording is weird esp his post about sheeping town leaders all the time as town is actually false as I actually did my own thing in Carol of the Bells trying to push Tubesock there with GlowingBear didn't want to lynch Tubesock there.

On September 17 2015 11:27 Half the Sky wrote:




Saw this, I ran through BM's filter - posts 412, 434, there's a few points where he discusses that - actually the contrast for TT/Rels is discussed in 412. Unless you missed that post entirely and that's what you meant, but I am reading post 412 and I'm not seeing how that post is scum-indicative for BM. Maybe tonewise he seemed a bit confrontational on how you read it, but it sounds like meta or his experience playing with you. Nothing jumped out at me as unusual/scummy for him.

On September 17 2015 05:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If we lycnh mafia on D1 are they gonna angel save me when mafia kills me?

On September 17 2015 01:52 Rels wrote:
Mm OK
I still think geript is mafia for his play
But I would lynch damdred before him right now

On September 17 2015 03:34 Fecalfeast wrote:
Who is the best mayor candidate i don't see much talk of that. If rayn is town and playing this strongly and gets the grail wont he just be NK bait?

On September 17 2015 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Shining already explained this and he is town anyways.

On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
Slight townread on LS and shining.

Scumlean on Damdred.

HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho.

Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far.

Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game.

BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT

I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.

On September 19 2015 14:57 Tictock wrote:
Also, just gunna throw this out there.

Cop (Inquisitor) doesn't NEED to claim if they have a red check imo. In fact I'm not sure it's a good idea at all anymore.

Right now we know Vixax is martyr, if Cop claims with a red-check on Damdred then mafia can soup them both tonight, and possibly more if they have some read on other roles.

So claiming a redcheck is a 1 mafia for 2 town trade. Given that mafia goes for the soup kill.

That would (again assuming we are 7/3 now) put us into a 5/2. Leaving town with the one mislynch before we are in lylo.

So think things through yourself, check if I'm right here and if it's still a good call to claim a check in this situation.

On September 20 2015 09:40 Tictock wrote:


So looking back at this, I noticed that there are some mistakes/weird stuff happening here.

In your 2nd list you have town mislynching, followed by a soup kill which makes no sense. Only way we get a 2nd claim today is if Inq claims a redcheck which would mean:
8v2
lynch 8v1
soup 6v1
mislynch 5v1
nightkill 4v1
ml 3v1
nk 2v1
LyLo

no soup
8v2
ml 7v2
nk 6v2
ml 5v2
nk 4v2
MyLo

Or the 7/3 situation
7v3
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
ml 4v2
nk 3v2
LyLo

And lastly 7/3 no soup
7v3
ml 6v3
nk 5v3
MyLo (ml 4v3 into nk 3v3)

That last one is scary actually.
Also I now see exactly what you mean BM. Redcheck should definitely be claimed.

It probably should have been claimed already, but if you listened to my lat post about this and held off claiming a redcheck now is the time. Otherwise assuming Damdred is town seems fairly reasonable.

On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:

Pretty cool (=
I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is:

EoDVote Count
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike

Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS.
I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here.

On September 19 2015 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yeah i got that, the timestamps on new TL are fucking horrible.
i hate those. i hate the new design as whole...

On September 18 2015 07:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
well prepare to be anally blasted
it will be...... grand you could say

On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:

OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are:
Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
6-2 after NK
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.

On September 20 2015 18:21 Rels wrote:

Fuck I forgot soup. Let me redo this:

Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
5-2 after soup
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

OK even with soup it's better to claim actually.

On September 20 2015 19:40 Rels wrote:
Now about BM.

Town points
1
Tone. BM seem to be able to post freely, and this is town indicative.

Mafia points
In spoiler Vivax' case against BM. I will take one point from his case.
+ Show Spoiler +
1
Vivax's good point in the case: when first posting and catching up with the thread, we had 4 people more or less forming an initial town circle: TT, rayn, Vivax and I. BM tried to break the circle by mentioning:
- TT and I were buddying (which, if we're both mafia, is not even the right term)
- saying Vivax's reads were wrong (about TT and I town)
- not mentioning that rayn's reads were wrong, even though they matched Vivax'
Then, as soon as rayn told him I probably was not mafia, he dropped his scumreads.
So what I'm seeing here is BM buddying rayn by:
1. saying Vivax' reads are wrong instead of rayn's, even though they are the same
2. dropping his reads as soon as rayn talks to him

2
BM didn't participate in the check plan (rayn's plan about town deciding the check target). This plan is bad for mafia, so him not participating or mentionning the plan is scum indicative.
+ Show Spoiler +

3
BM's first post in D2 was him scumreading and voting Damdred.
What's bad about it is that the town sentiment about Damdred D1 was that we would be waiting for the check to happen to decide on him. I don't understand him immediately jumping on Damdred, before everybody had a chance to post.
Now he has switched to LS, being the last person to sheep the town sentiment. Maybe this is indicative of a scum bus if LS is mafia.
+ Show Spoiler +

Conclusion
Maybe scum. The only thing keeping me scumreading him 100% is his tone. So: I want someone who has played with him before to tell me if he is capable of having this "I don't care here is my thoughts" tone if he is mafia.

On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:

BM still waiting for an answer to that

On September 20 2015 19:50 Rels wrote:

If would also like your reasons for switching to LS
Are you just sheeping rayn ?

On September 20 2015 21:11 Rels wrote:

explain to me what is the fucking problem ?

On September 20 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

it was my plan.

On September 17 2015 22:16 Rels wrote:
In case this is a contested lynch between LS Damdred and Dandel, I need you to read this
As rayn posted, it is important that we decide who the inquisitor should check. If we do that:
- the oracle has a garanteed hit
- if the inquisitor doesn't claim a red check D2, it means that the checked target is town

If there is a contested lynch, the person we decided to check might be lynched, and we cannot talk at night in this setup. It could mean the inquisitor and the oracle not knowing who to check.

SO
Near the end of the day, everybody should state who they want to check in addition to their lynch.
In the person they wanted to check is lynched instead, the inquisitor would just have to assume their initial lynch target is their check target.
OK ?

On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.

What do I propose? No lynch? Nope. Wanna know why? Angelic Protection. We have Geript in the graveyard dictating where protections should be from the masses. We get a good lynch, and a good protect, and we are potentially ahead of where we were before.

Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred.

I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong

On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:

Pretty cool (=
I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is:

EoDVote Count
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike

Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS.
I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here.

On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:

OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are:
Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
6-2 after NK
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.

On September 20 2015 21:31 Rels wrote:


Did you REALLY posted this to contradict yourself
DId you miss the "as rayn posted" ??

On September 20 2015 21:29 Rels wrote:

So Vivax made terrible reads you agreed about later ?


I'm pretty sure you were in the thread at the same time rayn posted his plan. Let me check.
rayn's plan:


Your last post of this series of posts:

So if you weren't aware of this plan, you were not reading the thread.


So you are following the thread sentiment ??


WTF
IT IS NOT MY PLAN
If even if YOU think I'm not townie as I think, ARE YOU SAYING THE PLAN IS BAD ?

On September 20 2015 21:35 Rels wrote:

OK, no way you could be this dumb (=
So you will explain very cleanly what is bad about taking good ideas from other people and applying them
Then you will quote the ideas I took and explain how I disformed them to give my team an advantage

On September 20 2015 21:37 Rels wrote:

Oh OK, I understand where you're coming from
Well I made a mistake so this is valid

On September 20 2015 21:37 Vivax wrote:
Rels is NEVER mafia in this game, BM. Nitpicking over that stuff is just ridiculous. He's pretty much the guy who puts himself out there the most in this game and does a shitton of research out of his own motivation.

The only way you don't see this is cause you aren't town.

On September 20 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BM he actually has a point because i kinda find it really hard to believe you have a strong town read on me based on early game (i had basically said geript is town, LS is mafia, cop check should be directed because of reasons).

And then you... just what? forget one of these things and use it against him when it should be a reason to TOWNread him (as you are basically townreading me for the same thing)?

On September 20 2015 21:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I make a plan.
Rels agrees with it.

You townread me.
You scumread him FOR agreeing with me.

You are using "sheeping rayn" against him.

And I AM BEING ILLOGICAL?

On September 19 2015 15:44 Bill Murray wrote:

I 100% disagree with this
we can afford that... in fact it would be good for town
we CANT afford losing 3 in 1 night
either way with 3 or with 2 we can do the 2 fer

first off, it will prevent a mylo scenario which is awkward
8v2
lynch 7v2
nightkill 6v2
lynch 5v2
nightkill4v2 (mylo)
but if you do your scenario
8v2
lynch 7v2
soup 5v2
lynch 4v2
nightkill 3v2
(cleaner... better odds of lynching mafia in lylo ass opposed to mylo)

TL;DR with 2 or 3 left we are in an awkward scenario where it will end up in mylo instead of lylo which are better odds for mafia.

What do I propose? No lynch? Nope. Wanna know why? Angelic Protection. We have Geript in the graveyard dictating where protections should be from the masses. We get a good lynch, and a good protect, and we are potentially ahead of where we were before.

Tictock, I don't scumread you at all anymore. Reads change over the course of a game. I am, and have been, deadset on lynching Damdred. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm just not feeling town-Damdred.

I also feel he has overly interacted with FecalFeast, and the way they both acted with the Grail was pretty peculiar. I believe you're asking me about LS? Well, his interactions with Rayn have me leaning town on him, but I saw 1 post he made that reminded me of his scum game. I'm not that good at reading him, so I don't want to be like "ermagerd hez tern" and be wrong

On September 20 2015 18:06 Rels wrote:

OK I'll resume this post to see if it makes sense. Assuming Shining wasn't mafia, as I'm pretty sure he was town, and assuming we mislynch every day, the three possibilities are:
Red check claimed:
7-3 is now
7-2 mislynch
6-2 after NK
Two mislynches left before losing

Red check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislynch left before losing

Green check not claimed:
7-3 is now
6-3 mislynch
5-3 after NK
One mislyng before losing

It doesn't make sense for the inquisitor to not claim.

On September 19 2015 14:44 Tictock wrote:
Vote Count: ~24hrs before EoD
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet
The Shining (1): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (1): Rels
Damdred (5): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (1): geript

---

EoDVote Count
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike

---

EoDVote Count: Cleaned up with colors!
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
Damdred (2): Bill Murray, Vivax


Holy Grail Vote
geript (7): raynpelikoneet, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
Vivax (4): Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (1): Fecalfeast

Ok this doesn't really tell us a whole lot, or at least I dont see much information from this, but maybe someone who is better with VCA stuff cna read more into it than I, also now we have a couple of VCs for D1 to look at.

The runaway train that grew on Dandel probably has all the mafia on it. Rayn has been pretty clearly town, Vivax is unCC'd and I'm leaning town on BM, so that's where I'm going to put my focus.

Damdred, LS and FF and an outside chance of Fidei are the people I'm thinking are most likely scum. I'm not really sure if I'm still scum reading Fidei, but I'm gunna leave him on the scummier side of null for now untill I get a chance to reread him. I know that he's playing in multiple games at once so that split of his focus might be affecting my read on him.

On September 19 2015 19:22 Rels wrote:

Pretty cool (=
I prefer a colored vote count with switches though. Here it is:

EoDVote Count
LightningStrike (2): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript, raynpelikoneet, Dandel Ion
The Shining (0): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (9): Rels, Damdred, Tictock, Half the Sky, Fidei86, The Shining, Fecalfeast, LightningStrike, geript
Damdred (2): raynpelikoneet, LightningStrike, Fecalfeast, Bill Murray, The Shining, Half the Sky, Vivax
Bill Murray (0): Vivax

Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript, Bill Murray, geript, Damdred, The Shining, Rels, Dandel Ion
TicTock (1): Rels
raynpelikoneet (1): LightningStrike
Fecalfeast (3): Fecalfeast, The Shining, Half the Sky
Vivax (0): geript, Half the Sky, Vivax, Fidei86, LightningStrike

Not much to say with that big of a wagon. Dandel voting for LS at the end is weird; why did he not fucking shot LS.
I disagree with BM outside the main wagon being town indicative. Maybe if he was here at EOD and had reasons to do so, it would mean something; but the reason he's not on the main wagon is that he was not here.

On September 20 2015 21:41 Vivax wrote:
And rayn keeps bringing this cop argument when he should realize as well that the cop claim is only worth it if he got off at least two checks. Or me and the cop get souped the next night for just one witch.

Rayn puts it as if Damdred's alignment was relevant but he doesn't really care while he keeps using that excuse to not do anything about Dam and push the easy lynch LS.

So rayn is mafia too, which also explains BM's odd behaviour towards rayn on D1.

Just not sure who between FF/Damdred is the most likely third. FF gave me a weird impression during the course of the game but if Dam is town then I don't know why he's (not) playing like that.

On September 20 2015 21:46 Rels wrote:

The ONLY time when this is scummy is if I disform the original post to get my team an advantage
so show me where I did that
or show me where the original plan was bad
otherwise your reasonning is super bad

On September 20 2015 21:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

DOUBLE CC IS TERRIBLE BECAUSE WE FUCKING LOST THREE PEOPLE AT NIGHT.

Fuck why do i end up playing this setup with dumb people. I really hope i was mafia....

On September 20 2015 22:01 Rels wrote:
OK BM claim I am mafia for stealing people's idea and posting them
As I said, the only time it is scum indicative is if I disform ideas to get my team an advantage
And he couldn't prove that
he is mafia

On September 20 2015 22:17 Rels wrote:

LOL
ARE YOU SERIOUS
YOU QUOTED IT

On September 20 2015 22:27 Rels wrote:
Oh and I found the other post I was looking for:

LOLOL

On September 20 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Are you this fucking bad or what?
I am fucking done posting in this game before the lynch.
This is retarded as fuck.

On September 20 2015 22:32 LightningStrike wrote:

I had fakeclaimed Named VT as Green VT in Himalayas Mafia I want that game out of my mind T_T

On September 20 2015 22:34 LightningStrike wrote:
HTS can attest to that I had fakeclaimed Named VT as Green VT in her game(Himalayas Mafia).

On September 20 2015 22:34 Rels wrote:

I am scum

On September 20 2015 22:36 Rels wrote:

haha guys im scum i am sorry i like baguettes

On September 20 2015 22:37 LightningStrike wrote:
Rels is obviously joking BM.

On September 20 2015 22:38 Rels wrote:

I cut a part in which you said something I can prove is false
I'm waiting for you to confirm you said it purposefully and not by typing too fast or whatever
So I can prove you're scum

On September 16 2015 10:30 The Shining wrote:


Since I look better based on my re-entry, would you mind addressing my points against you? If you could help me feel better about you, that'd be great. Because you seem to have read my post but you didn't mention anything about me calling you out for playing with me before but not picking up on my not liking D1 and not really playing Mondays/Tuesdays, although you mentioned my not liking D1 to Damdred.

On September 20 2015 22:48 Rels wrote:

But you said that:

You said it would be great if cop fucking checked Damdred off 5 words. And you say we don't fucking know that.
Well, I pushed rayn's plan so hard last night that I am 100% sure the cop checked Damdred if he is alive.
So you think either of this:
1 - I didn't push rayn's plan too hard. This is false and you are scum for pushing something so obviously false.
2 - I did push rayn's plan, the one you think is good. But you think me parroting rayn's plan is scummy. It doesn't make sense. You are scum.

On September 20 2015 21:37 Bill Murray wrote:
let me reread and try to find his partner(s)

On September 20 2015 22:55 Rels wrote:
alright mafia
time to find your partners now

On September 20 2015 22:58 Rels wrote:
So
rayn is spewed town by BM
fidei may be too, for this line about me attacking easy mislynches and fido being the next
Will read carefully to see if there are others

On September 20 2015 23:02 Rels wrote:

yeah maybe 'cause I opened your filter and the first post was "rayn is town"

On September 20 2015 23:04 Rels wrote:

didn't even realize it. It doesn't really rhyme p:

On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
Whatever though, we're lynching BM.

@HTS though: I think LS is town because LS cannot lie. Please say it if LS is in fact capable of this.

On September 20 2015 23:13 Rels wrote:
no one else is spewed town by BM
so mechanically speaking two scums are in here:
Damdred
FF
TT
HTS

FF scum is no surprise.
I really hope inquisitor is dead and Damdred is the last one. I'm pretty sure TT is town and I think HTS is too.

On September 20 2015 23:22 Rels wrote:

LOL I am the one cluttering the thread ? And how am I distancing from anyone ? It's called analysing the game. Those 4 people are the only ones not spewed town by you or having claimed something
Anyway leaving now. Good luck convincing others p: can't wait to read that

On September 20 2015 23:22 Rels wrote:

hahaha
in before "he copied me"

On September 21 2015 01:12 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright.

I'm on my way home, I was out all last night, I was out all day today. Since the husband is going into League marathon mode before work tonight (kill me please) I am setting aside HOURS to sort through this shit.

Offhand as I recall the questions

- is LS capable of lying/fakeclaim history
OFFHAND - I know for a fact he fakeclaimed Named Town in Himalayas and that was massive controversy after he rescinded the fakeclaim. He had a MAJOR breakdown when the pressure piled on him that almost got him in trouble with the hosting team (Fecalfeast and I had some discussion on it) but ultimately we settled for a post-game warning (reference Ban List 2.0)
- has LS ever fakeclaimed as mafia? Honestly NOT THAT I RECALL. I think he was lynched very early and picked off early in Witchcraft 3. In TL LXX Guardians he was tracked to the N1 kill. In my first ever game, Student IV, he sacrificed himself, both blues were dead so he did not fakeclaim.

- is he capable of lying? honestly he has a very difficult time. He said so himself in Witchcraft 3. He doesn't like playing scum because of the lying.

- is he capable of breaking meta? Well in JOAT he fooled us once, but he played VERY close to meta as coached by geript. To my knowledge he hasn't broken meta in a manner that benefits him as mafia.

On September 21 2015 01:58 Half the Sky wrote:
2000 my time is not a problem btw. Will be here before and through.

Also the meta for FF I'm seeing so far is the "lazy town" meta. I'm reading through Carnaval for possible parallels, but he's spammy as shit there. And I mean really spammy "shit up the thread".

Rels having 17 pages of filter btw I'm not sure is indicative. I don't think he's been mafia but his posts have had direction and he scumhunts in a very conversational fashion, fishing for reactions and such. Which contributes to his longer filter. The question to hit upon is whether he's misleading and misdirectional if anything and so far I'm not seeing it.

On September 21 2015 01:59 Half the Sky wrote:
EBWOP - on Rels - "I don't think he's been mafia before on TL and in this game his posts have had...

On September 21 2015 02:12 Fecalfeast wrote:
Is there any situation where we want to use the IML mechanic as town? It seems to me like longer days are always the best way to go unless we have an outed mafia spamming gifs or something

On September 21 2015 02:30 Half the Sky wrote:


Nope. The OGI is related to your personal life, which is why I stopped short of talking about it. I highlighted the parts from stuff you said about your university coursework that alluded to it.

I admit I am a bit cautious on you breaking meta to lie but for what I know it is still in the tinfoil world for me - you've never done it before and you openly admitted in QTs/etc that you don't want to/won't do it - and I'd be a bit more concerned if you were still alive late game. The fact that BM had to coach you on Skype on how to pull it off (and you still couldn't) in witchcraft 3 is clear indication enough.

In Guardians I don't think you had to deal with any of that, and you claimed scum anyhow when you were tracked by Trfel. You didn't even try getting around it at all.

On September 21 2015 02:40 Rels wrote:
Your page argument is stupid though. I don't know why having 17 pages is alignment indicative

On September 21 2015 02:39 Rels wrote:

No :p was talking to bm

On September 21 2015 02:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now if people cant fucking understand that really easy fact that should be clear for like a 10yr old, then i don't see qa reason why i should be posting here rn.

On September 21 2015 03:00 Rels wrote:

OK I got it. If we decided to lynch town today, the best lynch would be ls since he claimed
By that logic, we should have lynched vivax yesterday
Lynching mafia > lynching claimed town > lynching unclaimed town
But here is what we can do. If we cannot agree to a target before deadline, the judge should lynch ls

On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
to lynch town today

On September 20 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:
lynch town

On September 21 2015 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:

and what kinda idiotic statement this is?
the situation is completely different.

On September 21 2015 03:05 Rels wrote:
I would lynch ls if I was 50% unsure he was mafia
But I am maybe 90% sure he's town. And I'm 90% sure bm is mafia
And don't play your martyr. You know very well that if you really want ls lynch, you'll get ls lynch. You always manage to convince me to do what you think

On September 21 2015 03:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
I will sheep rayn in lieu of reading words

##deadlinevote ls

On September 21 2015 03:06 Rels wrote:
You know what
I agree to lynch ls if the exorcist shoot bm

On September 21 2015 03:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I would prefer James but i don't really care about this game anymore. Maybe you are right but i am 90% sure BM is not mafia.

If people won't even try to understand why this thing must be played in a certain way when there are soup kills and mafia gets the roles of NK'd ppl then it's going to be impossible to win already.

On September 21 2015 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am going to try to say this once more.

The reason why Vivax claimed on D1 is because then people cannot hide behind claims and HAVE to play this game by just.. playing the game. There are people who do that as town, like Dandel. Apparently he didn't give any fucks and i hate it. And i know it's because he just.. .didn't give a shit because "he gets to shoot anyways". Which is idiotic. That role is one of the best roles lategame because it cannot be counterclaimed ever, otherwise you just die.

Well, LS has not played, at all. When geript died mafia got his role. Now LS claims the ONLY thing that he can basically ever claim as mafia. Because it can (and i believe mafia thinks it will) force out a counter claim. LS is going to die anyways if he doesn't claim and he knows that. If he claims he does the best thing for scum if someone counter-claims. Because then mafia can STILL soup two people. Vivax, and the claim.

Here is why the lynch is the best:
1) LS is mafia - obviously best scenario
2) LS is town and we lynch him - we know he is town because exorcist shoot someone, hopefully mafia (yes i am really sure James is mafia), on D3 -> D2/N2 there were 2 dead town, 1 dead mafia
3) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch mafia instead - On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. SAME FUCKING POSITION.
4) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots mafia. On N2 mafia soups LS + Vivax. WORSE FUCKING POSITION.
5) LS is town and we do not lynch him -> we lynch town - Exorcist shoots LS. On N2 mafia kills whoever. WORSE FUCKING POSITION.

The only scenario, even if we lynch mafia that is not LS, is WORSE/SAME than lynching him.
The only scenario which is BETTER is if we lynch him and is mafia.
IT IS THE BEST PLAY REGARDLESS OF HIS AFFILIATION.

On September 21 2015 03:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Not worries Rayn Geript and I forgive you and so will God

On September 21 2015 03:54 Fecalfeast wrote:

which post do you mean from me?

I don't think we should assume he is a green check and I think he is still on the table for lynch. I think the lack of a red check claim might buy him today but if he doesn't pick it up I don't care about implied cop checks

On September 21 2015 05:19 Tictock wrote:


I'm a little confused by this question.

My "numbers post" had nothing to do with LS, it was purely an attempt to make sure that a claim and soup kill today did not leave town in a shitty spot.

Why is my post dumb? There was 3 people who did the exact same type of post. What about mine in particular is dumb?

If LS is town and we lynch him then town is pretty SoL. Being 5/3 or at best 6/2 going into D3 is going to suck. Even worse if the crusader gets picked off and takes a townie with him.

I'm not completly sold on it just yet, but I'm thinking it's pretty likely LS is scum at this juncture. (Shoutout to Waffel-Boy who couldn't be in this game). Mostly my read on him is based on his lack of reads despite having a large filter. I also thought his position on Dandel was strange going into EoD. He asked at one point if we thought Dandel was just trolling or was mafia. Rels posted a mafia case on Dandel well before EoD (when LS was around, but he ignored/missed it) then a few hours before EoD LS comes back calling Dandel trolly town. Other than that "read" I've only seen LS give opinions on Geript, Damdred, Rayn, and when pushed rather un-opinionated reads on myself and Fidei.

@ BM

This reminded me you asked me a questions about LS's long post about his Damdred read. I thought it was a pretty useless post, tbh. All he really did was pull a bunch of quotes from his filter and state what each was a response to. Was made even more useless since Vivax had just been asking him for reads, but then he goes and rehashed an old read like he was proving something.