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On September 16 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:
So it kinda looked like you were giving a read, not explaining, then agreeing with geripts read.
no no no.
This is the order of events:
1) I make a post that suggests i think LS is mafia
2) geript votes for LS
3) i make a follow up post with semi-reasoning (regarding the first post - LS is either martyr or mafia)
4) geript asks me do i know why he thinks LS is mafia
5) i say no
6) geript tells me why he thinks LS is mafia
7) i say i agree because the thought process is similar to mine
8) i explain why i think LS is either martyr or mafia
For what yo usay here to be true it requires me to be a fucking mind-reader and i would somehow know what geript will think before he even says LS is mafia, because every post i made on LS go together and is perfectly logical. I know i am good at this shit but i am sorry i am not a mind-reader and it is ridiculous you suggest that.
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Like the whole thought process TT has is literally bullshit because there is nothing that suggests so.
In fact it would be more likely that geript is doing what he suggests i was possibly doing if you read the thread properly.
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Rayn I assume this is the post you refer to in #1?
On September 15 2015 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? what do you even mean by this? i think i have already explained why it's the correct play so the answer should be obvious.
Kus tbh I felt it was kinda scummy that it took you 2 hours to react to his question, yet posted this inbetween.
On September 15 2015 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this game is stupidly slow, can you americans get there already?
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On September 16 2015 19:19 Tictock wrote:Rayn I assume this is the post you refer to in #1? Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 09:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? what do you even mean by this? i think i have already explained why it's the correct play so the answer should be obvious. Kus tbh I felt it was kinda scummy that it took you 2 hours to react to his question, yet posted this inbetween. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 09:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
this game is stupidly slow, can you americans get there already?
I was playing the other game inbetween and didn't read properly at that time.
I jsut saw no new posts and thought "boring".
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Also since your not ignoring me atm.
On September 16 2015 08:12 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 18:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
oh yeah and geript is totally town. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So geript is your scumread?
Does it affect you at all i am telling you there is literally no way he is mafia in this game?
Also at the time you made thw post you got called out for, did you seriously think i am mafia for pushing a retarded role claim? Like i know you value my opinion, and i am not stupid. Did it not come to your mind to think a bit more about why i say what i do? I find this really hard to believe LS. Thats why i think you are mafia atm. Rayn can you explain why you hardread geript as town?
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Even more town points to TT for asking where I ran off to since I'm basically confirmed as the martyr now since un CCd, but TT was already strong town for me previously so I'm just reaffirming that now.
Mafia knows it's true so they wouldn't bother posting something like that.
Didn't particularly like rayn pointing that out as something scummy but also don't see a reason to consider rayn for lynch on D1, will stay in the back of my head for now though.
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On September 16 2015 17:31 Fidei86 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:04 Tictock wrote:Fidei can you explain why you say this I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. Why do you find the push to be suspect? Keep in mind people were pushing him as mafia when these were his only 2 posts: On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business! On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Two reasons: 1. (And this is likely to get the Rayn hate, but w/e) I actually understand where LS is coming from on this. I've never played this setup before, and Rayn comes in and says that there is only one correct way to play the martyr. I'm naturally suspicious of those sorts of claims - most roles in Mafia are nuanced enough to have multiple uses. If I'm the martyr here and, say, HTS or some other really strong town is the NK target, I probably think it's worth to sacrifice myself, because then they get another day. Particularly if the martyr honestly assesses themselves as a weak town player. 2. It's LS. Pretty much every game I've been in has had a wagon start on him (or ruxx pretending to be him) for appearing 'naive' or disagreeing with a strong town player. No offence LS, but you're probably the easiest ml out there. Jumping on him for a pretty innocuous question just seems really opportunistic.
Been mulling this over a little. I fail to see why this leads you to the conclusion that mafia was pushing LS.
#1 Sure. If I recall correctly LS, geript, and myself all questioned what benefit there was in having Martyr claim. I think the question itself is pretty null.
#2 If LS is pushed every-game then him being pushed this game shouldn't mean that much. It's weird to me that you looked at this push and seemed to conclude there was mafia involvement.
I kinda thought the open LS made was pretty scummy in it of itself.
An excuse and a townclaim, plus some "getting down to buisness"
The question after was hardly any business.
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Slight townread on LS and shining.
Scumlean on Damdred.
HtS stays in null territory, I liked her opinion on geript's post on LS, it made me change perspective a bit, had to reread it myself a couple of times but then I saw where geript was coming from, it was kinda formulaic tho.
Point about HtS being that she is showing effort but it can come from both alignments, she committed a bit on my points about FF but not willing to read her either way so far.
Geript goes to null-scummish territory cause of personal meta. In some recent game I scumread him for being too tryhard to the point where I thought he was just playing it. Turned out he was the tracker, anyway he's not really anything like that in this game.
BM kinda doing his own thing, disagrees with me on basically everything. Well, I disagree with him as well and I'm just gonna let him do his own thing for now and keep him null, BUT
I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.
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On September 16 2015 20:22 Vivax wrote:
I find it interesting he points out how he disagrees with me and not rayn who at the time agreed with me on Rels and TT, and BM called rayn town from the get go. What irks me here is that he prefers to compare his reads to mine rather than to rayn's. Will have to take a closer look at that I guess.
mm that's interesting
let me check the context
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On September 16 2015 19:52 Vivax wrote:
I'm here now folks.
Also see rayn it worked ^.^
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OK I think I have the explanation for that
I will let him answer first though to see if it matches
@BM can you explain what Vivax just said ?
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Vote Count
LightningStrike (1): raynpelikoneet, Half the Sky, geript
The Shining (1): Rels, Dandel Ion
Dandel Ion (1): Rels
Damdred (1): raynpelikoneet
Holy Grail Vote
geript (2): raynpelikoneet, geript
TicTock (1): Rels
Deadline in 34.5 hours
If i made a mistake, let me know
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On September 16 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
Deadline in 10.5 hours
Pretty sure the days are 72 hours long, which would mean there are like 34 hours left.
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On September 16 2015 20:19 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:31 Fidei86 wrote:On September 16 2015 17:04 Tictock wrote:Fidei can you explain why you say this I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. Why do you find the push to be suspect? Keep in mind people were pushing him as mafia when these were his only 2 posts: On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business! On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? Two reasons: 1. (And this is likely to get the Rayn hate, but w/e) I actually understand where LS is coming from on this. I've never played this setup before, and Rayn comes in and says that there is only one correct way to play the martyr. I'm naturally suspicious of those sorts of claims - most roles in Mafia are nuanced enough to have multiple uses. If I'm the martyr here and, say, HTS or some other really strong town is the NK target, I probably think it's worth to sacrifice myself, because then they get another day. Particularly if the martyr honestly assesses themselves as a weak town player. 2. It's LS. Pretty much every game I've been in has had a wagon start on him (or ruxx pretending to be him) for appearing 'naive' or disagreeing with a strong town player. No offence LS, but you're probably the easiest ml out there. Jumping on him for a pretty innocuous question just seems really opportunistic. Been mulling this over a little. I fail to see why this leads you to the conclusion that mafia was pushing LS. #1 Sure. If I recall correctly LS, geript, and myself all questioned what benefit there was in having Martyr claim. I think the question itself is pretty null. #2 If LS is pushed every-game then him being pushed this game shouldn't mean that much. It's weird to me that you looked at this push and seemed to conclude there was mafia involvement. I kinda thought the open LS made was pretty scummy in it of itself. An excuse and a townclaim, plus some "getting down to buisness" The question after was hardly any business.
It wasn't the fact that he was being pushed I had an issue with, its more that there were people jumping on it after it had started. But yeah, I see your point re people always pushing LS early. I don't know how much you can put into openings, honestly. I mean, mine was "I'm busy" and then WOT, whereas lots of people come in with some variant of "I'm town". It was the push on him I found much more interesting than his opening, which was meh.
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On September 16 2015 16:44 Rels wrote:OK LS. I will try to explain what I think so we can understand each other this time. Everybody seems to have drop the scumread on you, and I understand. Your posts really show anger at being scumread, then free of mind where you're not anymore. Please, if you're town, read carefully what others are saying, 'cause it's super frustrating to not be understood. I'll ask you two questions that need elaboration to answer, so take the time to do this right. 1. You said to HTS "some of the posts" you did this game were posts you would never make as scum. Can you show me a few example and explain to me why you wouldn't post that as scum ? 2. Your geript scumread is interesting, 'cause of the following: my reason for townreading geript was that I thought you were scum, and I didn't think geript would bus this early in the game. Now obviously if you're town, this push on you isn't alignment indicative anymore. What you are saying is that geript lied to explain his vote on you. You're saying this is a lie: Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question. Can you prove this is a lie ? For example, you talked about a game where you didn't do this. Was geript in this game or obsing this game ?
1. I was mainly asking HTS if she thinks I can any of the posts as scum instead of town since me and her actually been playing together since November of last year so she got lots of experience with playing with me.
2. Geript wasn't in that game nor obsing that game(Carol of the Bells Mafia) but in that game I actually went away from following the town leader at the time GlowingBear and pushed for my own lynch of Tubesock because I tohught Tubesock scum slipped about the amount of scum in the setup lol.
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OK since we're waiting for quite a few people to answer stuff, I want to discuss something
Should people about to get mislynched roleclaim ? I'm thinking they shouldn't.
On the plus side: the town knows a little more about the game and mafia cannot fakeclaim that particular role if we decide to mass claim one day.
On the minus side: the mafia will have infos if they try to role POE.
Not talking about roles that will get revealed anyway, like grandier or crusader.
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This BM asimmetry of communication is rather blatant. It feels like he turns more of a blind eye towards his TR rayn than to unCCd town role Vivax, almost like he wanted to avoid discussing with rayn.
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On September 16 2015 20:48 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 16:44 Rels wrote:OK LS. I will try to explain what I think so we can understand each other this time. Everybody seems to have drop the scumread on you, and I understand. Your posts really show anger at being scumread, then free of mind where you're not anymore. Please, if you're town, read carefully what others are saying, 'cause it's super frustrating to not be understood. I'll ask you two questions that need elaboration to answer, so take the time to do this right. 1. You said to HTS "some of the posts" you did this game were posts you would never make as scum. Can you show me a few example and explain to me why you wouldn't post that as scum ? 2. Your geript scumread is interesting, 'cause of the following: my reason for townreading geript was that I thought you were scum, and I didn't think geript would bus this early in the game. Now obviously if you're town, this push on you isn't alignment indicative anymore. What you are saying is that geript lied to explain his vote on you. You're saying this is a lie: On September 15 2015 10:46 geript wrote:On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all? When he's town he'll still follow the leader, but he'll generally over talk about a random reason he's thought against it. A less than LS question. Can you prove this is a lie ? For example, you talked about a game where you didn't do this. Was geript in this game or obsing this game ? 1. I was mainly asking HTS if she thinks I can any of the posts as scum instead of town since me and her actually been playing together since November of last year so she got lots of experience with playing with me. 2. Geript wasn't in that game nor obsing that game(Carol of the Bells Mafia) but in that game I actually went away from following the town leader at the time GlowingBear and pushed for my own lynch of Tubesock because I tohught Tubesock scum slipped about the amount of scum in the setup lol.
OK. Why do you think geript is scum faking a meta read on you, instead of town using false meta by mistake ?
I think he may be scum BTW so I'm not attacking you, I just want to know.
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yo fidei I had a question for you in this post, can you answer it ?
On September 16 2015 17:19 Rels wrote:Yeees fidei I love your big post (= I really hoped you were town too! Let's reformate the team we had last game with TT. No JJ allowed this time! Looking forward to play with you. (= I agree with most of your post except: Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. I don't know how any of you can be surprised that LS says stuff that doesn't add up early on. He's done that in every game I've seen him in, and he's also basically like that in voice. The way that he responded to Rels at his post #362 (basically "I'm not talking to you any more") felt very genuine, and exactly how I'd expect angsty town LS to respond. Yes the way he answered was genuine. But did you really think the early push was suspect ? Maybe you don't realize 'cause you weren't here at the beginning, but LS's first posts were super scum indicative. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think the person who comes out from the LS push looking the worst is TT. At his post #218 he basically says that LS is a "fine lynch", but his reasons are just re-hashes of what other people have posted earlier. He then takes it back at (#473) after others already had. I also think his town reads of Rayn, Rels and Vivax feel a little ... safe. I think thread sentiment is all pretty set on those three already, for pretty obvious reasons. When TT was mafia in HG he felt like he was always on the right side of every argument, and so far he reminds me of this. Disclaimer: you may be right and I'm a fool. But TT was the first person in the game to try hard. I think it makes him 99% town. For me, he is confirmed town atm, and nothing has changed my view on him thus far. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- Rels looks towny insofar as his activity level goes, but he was also early on the LS 'wagon', although he didn't vote for it. I also don't like his TT read, and quite a lot of his activity seems responsive rather than pro-active, which is different from our last game together. Then again, that game (Personalities) was pretty weird and so IDK whether it's a reliable guide to someone's meta. The two things you are suspecting me for ... are the two things I disagreed in your post (= so it is super logical you find me weird. Reading what I wrote earlier, did that change your read of me ? Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
I don't have a good handle on geript, TS (whose thread entry got a lot of talk, but which seemed pretty NAI to me) and FF. Not sure I agree with TS anymore, but yeah for the other two. Especially geript.
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