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On August 25 2015 20:53 rsoultin wrote: Q: I want to talk about coaching, or have a question about coaching. Where should I ask this? A: PM me. Do not post in the thread about coaching.
OP is pretty straightforward. Whoops.
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I came up with a possible town explanation for Fidei's assumption that we are going to lylo.
When you are mafia (I know from newbie 13) you get rid of the more stubborn people or the people that are willing to re-evaluate. You need to pick the nightkills that favour your survival.
Fidei as town could be knowing he'll be in lylo when presumably mafia superbia is pushing his lynch and is relatively persuasive in pushing Fidei's lynch in a world where Slam gets mislynched.
This should be obvious as town only have two mislynches remaining.
What Fidei said there, that is not exclusive mafia behaviour.
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Oh shit. You're right. Unless he is absolutely convinced mafia have to be in Slam and Superbia, and those two get us to lylo where one of them is town.
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This is really annoying.
I'm not sure about the concession argument. There are mafia players even when they are the last one left if they know they have even a slightest shot of manipulating town, they will attempt to manipulate town.
I read Down Under 3. Scum lost first two mafia first two days. The final mafia tryharded massively to get to 2-1 lylo. He lost, but he gave it everything he got and got to where he was. Obvious town players got mislynched under some really dumb circumstances, and he made it work for him.
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EBWOP - I read and observed Down Under 3
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Unless you have insanely good meta reads on everyone here which is impossible with only 4 games on you, I don't think the "would he or wouldn't he concede" argument is the way to go with this particularly when the top two candidates for lynch are veteran (superbia/slam) players.
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I will be back one more time before the daypost.
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posting from mobile - quick thought to anyone still researching
copcake had very little chance of getting lynched prior to my claim. Neither of MD nor myself had shit for influence.
so for anyone tinfoiling look a little more into the people that townread her or avoided trying to bring attention to her.
- in this light, superbia at least suggested copcake - pretty sure alakaslam hard townread her - pretty sure scott was townreading her though later he said he was frustrated with her not helping - fidei was debating switching to her end of day 3 but he didn't - scott had "bigger fish to fry" over copcake - might need to re-check those bigger fish and see if that made sense
something that popped into my head thinking about this game.
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On September 17 2015 01:12 Fidei86 wrote: Also will try to bring a more positive mental attitude to proceedings.
proceedings? you sound like a lawyer. let us know whom do you want to stand trial when you are through.
On September 13 2015 07:06 Fidei86 wrote: Like, Bresh dies 100% tonight, I think. Then we're stuck in LYLO-1 with BF and Cake, who are the easiest mislynch wagons there are (if they are actually town), and don't look like they're looking to actually solve the game AT ALL.
I'm thinking I could move onto BF ... or maybe even Cake honestly. I think Superbia is mafia, but honestly I've been wrong before a fair bit and going this far into the game with two intense lurkers is filling me with apprehension. My Cake read was based on stuff from D1, but she's done next to nothing since.
I'm also kind of confused as to why Slam is AFKing, and why most of his posts over the last day or so have been spammy.
This game is hard.
forget it.
I forgot Fidei mentioned that Copcake doesn't get much towncred from the GB bus and the swing occurred with very little time, so it's NAI he didn't switch to cake and town indicative he drew her out in this quote.
Under the scummate shield theory, final mafia is probably not Fidei.
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tinfoiling scott again.
On September 12 2015 18:01 scott31337 wrote: Moosy we are not lynching Copcake tomorrow so tell me your #2 when I wake up tomorrow.
CopCake Alakaslam Superbia boxerfred
Each tell me your #1 lynch.
MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred Superbia (2): scott31337, Breshke Breshke (2): Fidei86, NocturneMage MoosyDoosy (0): Alakaslam
Not Informing (5): MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred
Mafia love to wait on their vote BTW
On September 13 2015 07:24 scott31337 wrote: I think boxer is worse out of the two. Copcake calling me mafia and voting seems unnatural for the reasons (I believe because I put him in the weak side of the town circle, but didn't understand this and I explained it)
copcake calling him mafia should have made her worse than boxerfred, but not sure of his read on boxerfred. Backtracking.
On September 12 2015 17:52 scott31337 wrote:Fidei seems tunnelled on the Superbia/Breshke arguement - I still see townie vibes here - Breshke's play has gotten downhill - and the BS above - I doubt he'll keep a vote on Superbia, he tried once. It could be a flail from the scum team - I think they are scared. He hasn't shown me anything positive to town. I'm up for a bit - then sleep and get up before deadline. Moosy gets some decent points for how much he's tried, and when he did calm down - looks more focused at finding scum. Fidei is slightly better. I just don't see the Copcake confirmed town - still on the better fish to fry NM - Way more posting then his last game (as mafia) - like a busy town man - townlean. Boxerfred ... ohhhh Show nested quote +On September 12 2015 05:16 boxerfred wrote: It's so fucking hard to keep up with that thread. The last ~5 pages were lots of bullshit about power roles that is a totally irrelevant discussion. Whatever one thinks who is a power role will only help scum if he talks about it. The whole PR stuff is pointless. How is that even perceived as a push?
Here is my stance on the game: I'm a low activity poster. I'm aware that it should be easy for scum to set me up for a mislynch based on this. Whenever I come in the thread, I have to read another 20 pages of spammy shit. It would be great if you guys could just get back on track and think about where to locate scum or where to lynch to gain as much information as possible.
We are in a situation where it's likely that mafia knows since D2 that they'll lose a member. Since they insta-shot rayn during the night, mafia were SURE that he's the doctor. Right? Right? That makes me feel like the kill itself was a scum slip in terms of the setup. The Doctor setup is likely as fuck. I talked about this already earlier.
So what is scum supposed to do (as a team)? They'll try to get a mislynch, they are in desperate need for that especially after rayn flipped VT and not blue. So I'm really interested in who pushes MD and why they do so. Especially if MD is indeed lynched and flips green. At this point I don't think town can come further by evaluating people on scummy behavior but moreso by evaluating people in terms of town indications. It's one way to find indicators for scum alignment to win the game. Another way is to find indicators of town alignment on everyone else. We followed the first way and it got us GB, cool, great! However I think while we should not abandon that completely, we should consider focussing more on town reads.
At this point, I have the following town reads:
- scott (even forgot why, need to check, however don't have the time) - superbia (reasons stated in my huge case) - Alakaslam. What i remember the most of him is a) his spammy/hard to read playstyle, b) some posts where he points out scummy behaviour of me. since there was no follow up on this, I think it's a town indication. Also he was continuesly willing to hammer GB.
Followed by my null reads:
- Breshke. Not remembering anything in particular, however he got in a shitflinging discussion with Superbia, derailing shit. Cool - not. - Fidei. Pointed out some scum indicators in his play, he answered genuinely. I think he's not doing enough for town to actually be labeled a townie. Seems more interested in defending/surviving than in actually finding scum. Needs to step up. - CopCake. Don't remember particularly much. Hard to read. Voted with the main wagons. - MoosyDoosy. Need to look into more. I think his flip would give us a lot of information, however it might easily be a mislynch for scum. Good thing would be to stop pressuring him but instead give him some breathing room and let him do town work. Especially his last posts feel a lot like frustrated town. Can't tell. - NocturneMage. Where is this guy?
Yes, I don't have scumreads, yolo. Would lynch between MD/NM since Breshke is at least here.
He forgets why I am town. (ummmm... wow) Reads Superbia town for his huge case - and - Let's go over that. + Show Spoiler [Boxer Case] +On September 11 2015 17:33 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2015 08:39 Superbia wrote:On September 05 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
keep it simple. if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game. I think he might do this as town though. In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today. Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever. This is from D1 after GlowingBears claim. This post is an answer to rayn who hit the truth in his "claiming vig D1 is a great thing to call out a town role, get a blue kill in exchange for the goon." (though rayn couldn't know that GB is the goon at that point. This post is strange in many ways. Superbia thinks GB might do a (serious!) vigi claim at the very beginning of D1. To me, claiming blue D1 is like the stupidest thing you can do if you truely are a blue. How does Superbia come to that conclusion? The bolded part contradicts the initial meaning of the post ("nah guys GB is stupid not scum") however. It's 100% wishywashy. Also, the initial post (the quote in the quote) - why is Superbia disliking rayn for his reaction to GB? He should be disliking GB for the initial blue shenanigans. This post really feels like it's coming from someone who has to hide something. Time for the tinfoil hat: What if that was a serious response to a claim that Superbia thought was real? Also, WHY did GB claim Vigi if he DID know about the setup? This makes me feel really (really!) unsure if there is indeed a doctor in. We have two people D1 (GB, Superbia) that are willing to think that there is a Vigi in. However, GB claimed Doctor and Rayn claimed Doctor. There was NO counterclaim up to this point, keep that in mind guys! We have two setup slips from GB (Vigi, Doc) and we do not know which one is true. Out of this, I extract two scenarios. a) Doctor setup. Superbia's CC to GB was pure bullshit, making him look townie. b) Vigi setup. Superbia's CC to GB was the truth, making him, well, look townie. c) Vigi + Doc claim was absolutely bullshit (which is the unlikeliest to me) I'm kinda surprised that I come to this conclusion. I'll continue with the setup before going back to Superbia: Vigi setup feels the most likely to me TBH. 2/3 goons in scum - that means the chance that GB would flip scum as goon is higher than in any other setup. Also, we have no DOCTOR counter claimed except the rayn yolo, which was risky but great however it was not a Doctor. Basically, ANY rule could've counterclaimed the doctor that is Vigi, Veteran or Jailkeeper. So GB's claim EoD1 could have played out awesome for scum, ESPECIALLY in Setup B (1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 2 Mafia Goons). Mafia would've exchanged a simple goon with a strong town blue, potentially Jailkeeper. I think at this point I have a pretty good theory who another blue role is but I won't tell since I don't want the guy to get killed. Okay, back to Superbia. As I said above - the behaviour from this post is conclusively townie. Maybe my logic is flawed somewhere, somehow, so please test the waters. Another point that makes Superbia look townie D1 is that he instantly jumped on GB's claim - why would a fellow scum member do this given that he'd know GB's plan of outing a blue? It doesn't make sense. Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 05:37 Superbia wrote:On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:On September 06 2015 05:05 Superbia wrote: Also hi replacement. Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls. Although noone brings up the claim after all D1, Superbia does so when NM enters the thread. This could be out of "yo maybe NM replaced a blue and GB's trick might work here" (which I don't think tbh - feels way to unrealistic) or is indeed a "look at this and tell me what you think". Genuine. + Show Spoiler +On September 07 2015 03:35 Superbia wrote: I'm here. Haven't read past few pages. Game kinda feels hard.
rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him.
So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. First kind of list post from Superbia. While he's not talking about GB in this, he puts a null/scum lean on MoosyDoosy. Which makes me feel like they have different alignments however I'm not too sure if that holds. Putting this in spoilers to not draw attention from the main parts of the post. Here is more interaction from GB which makes Superbia change his read of scott from town. This looks important: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 03:55 Superbia wrote: Why is scott the lynch for you, GB? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 04:04 GlowingBear wrote:On September 07 2015 04:04 Superbia wrote: I had scott as town early but re-viewing his filter idk why.
GB can you flesh this out? Yes I can. I'm going to write a case once I get home. And indeed, Superbia brings up GB's case on Scott: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:50 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker: On September 05 2015 09:15 scott31337 wrote:On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. On September 05 2015 08:29 Breshke wrote:On September 05 2015 08:20 CopCake wrote: In which page the game started? 9 @rayn. I just think your expectations are too high too early like yes I get you want people to play seriously but that is difficult from the get go especially for some people and i would imagine it would lead to the game kind of fizziling out early because WTF are people going to be talking about. That coupled with the fact that you asked for a blue claim so we could lynch GB IN A NEWBIE GAME is just wrong. I get none of the "newbies" are that new but did you really think the optimal play was for someone to claim a blue role. I can understand that you want people to play seriously but I don't understand asking a blue role to claim The scenarios you suggested after someone claims are jsut as bad because any claim outside of the vigi setup is a doc, cop or JK which will just get RB'd to eternity and poof you've lost your power role on D1. Even if GB flipped scum it would hardly be worth it. A quote and so much talk from Breshke day 1 makes me wonder if he wants to try to change his ways - which for a D1 - townlean. More Breshke walls of text - GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite On September 05 2015 08:23 GlowingBear wrote:On September 05 2015 08:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 05 2015 08:12 Superbia wrote: Do you really think GB is mafia here? I don't care i stopped reading his posts. I hope a vigilante shoots him. Ok, you're mafia ##Vote: Rayn Re-read Supers post here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24820236- + Show Spoiler +On September 05 2015 08:33 Superbia wrote: I'm about to head off. Won't be around tomorrow until around this time. Some incoherent thoughts (pretty tired).
Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now.
Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff.
Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion.
Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired).
Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later.
GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh.
Rest also IDK.
So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. Good information but I'm already blitzed. N00bking's posts bad like last game. He's my worst right now. Rayn town Yamato doing shit - town This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing. He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia. He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this: On September 06 2015 23:48 scott31337 wrote: I could lynch boxer but it feels like policy really. For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy? I see no better lynch. People's opinions on this? At this point of filter diving, I have to say that Superbia's filter is full of oneliners, full of questions that lead to nowhere and don't do a thing. Not liking this at all. Also, he really likes GB's case on scott (this is one of the rare occasions where Superbia actually says his opinion). Here, he says it even multiple times: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:53 Superbia wrote: You guys really think GB's case is terrible? Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 05:58 Superbia wrote: I think GB's view on scott is pretty okay. Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. Scum read on Moosy, again (consistent!). However lateron, Slam calls Superbia out on his growing wishy-washyness: Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Superbia wrote:On September 07 2015 06:05 Alakaslam wrote:On September 07 2015 06:01 Superbia wrote: I'm actually pretty confused this d1. I usually have a direction I want to push the game, but rayn has kind of taken over the role I usually take in a game. Which leaves me stranded. I'm kind of okay with noobking getting lynched at this point and seeing where he flips takes us. Simply because I don't have any strong mafia reads. My gut would say moosy and go from there, but it may very well be wrong. :/ Please participate. No excuses. How am I not participating? Why did your opinion change? You were fine calling me town a few hours ago. You were making good points, now you are like "meh I am cool with a noobking lynch and see where that takes us" NO! Who do you think is scum? You don't seem to be confident it is noobking. That post was just bad, I would scum read you for it outside your past flow. Weigh in on stuff please I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there. But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all. Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused. This is accurate. How big is the chance the scum!superbia would call out both of his team mates in one post (scott/gb vs. moosy/copcake)? This makes me feel he's town. Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote: I don't know about GB to be honest, but it's sort of mafia to go afk instead of participate in EoD discussion. I kind of liked what he had to say about scott in his case thingy. You guys disagree. You guys know more about GB-meta. I think I'm keeping my vote on noobking, but if we have a vigi I wouldn't be heartbroken about a GB shot so we can get that shit out of the way. This is huge. Again that makes me feel Superbia is town. I am now at his huge list post and will refer to this in a different post for the sake of readability. tl;dr - I actually think Superbia is not a good lynch this day. He appears townie to me after I fully evaluated his filter. I think you are reaching hard here, bud. Moosy moves up - He's pulled a lot of energy and caring boxer moves down. I'll give more quotes tomorrow. My thoughts right now - 2/4 in Breshke/Boxerfred/Superbia/MoosyDoosy Town team are CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nm I have a good town plan and don't want to let the mafia get any ideas of my plan - they are flailing once GB got busted - smart town should understand. Unless you have a better case, Superbia needs to get lynched. I'll be up before deadline.
the picture fits though. He is pointing out the scuminess in others too.
thoughts on this? from mafia lens, it's a way of shielding copcake but you can at least see why he did it.
if scott reaches final 3, it's worth revisiting again but honestly the picture fits, if he's mafia it's great mafia play.
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On September 17 2015 02:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: I have a weird twitch. :/ Hopefully it'll resolve itself.
can you ask rsoultin to magically make you a medic so I can try to solve the game for a little longer?
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On September 17 2015 01:11 Fidei86 wrote: @MD sorry I've been quiet, haven't had much time at work. I'm being a bit fatalist, honestly. I was fairly sure it was Superbia, but Slam's leaving us totally threw me. I don't understand how a townie ever does that, especially not when we're so close to the end and he's invested so much time. It is, of course, possible he is telling the truth. But idk, it wasn't even like his focus was on the not having time, it was much more on the "I don't want to help Mafia out". He also got super ragey when I called him out. I don't think he understands that what you post inside the Mafia thread might be a lie, and it's truth can only be known on your flip. Yelling at me just seems weird. But maybe town indicative? I think going too far down this line is WIFOM.
I don't see what advantage Mafia me has in saying we're going to LyLo? I mean, it's not like I'd want to show off that predictive power. I said it because we've had two players basically stop playing at the same time, coinciding with the red check on CC. That's super super super scummy, from both of them. I think it could be either. And Sod's law says that we'll get the wrong one, and ergo we'll go to LyLo.
Anyway, will be home this evening at a sensible time for filters.
scott mentioned - and alakaslam did - post that he was having real life issues and he left the season of the witch 2 game. as for his super rage, don't think that's alignment indicative.
as town having posted 19 pages and having to leave suddenly I can see being upsetting. as mafia it's putting a massive dent in him trying to survive.
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2 more hours to throw around more ideas...
for the copcake association, I'd encourage people to check reactions at key events
(1) around the time of the daypost and the red check start of day 4 - offhand I recall scott/md/superbia being in thread. I know fidei brought up alakaslam but I honestly don't recall him at all.
- md also reacted wildly but it was natural - scott I recall was being extremely cautious but then he thought fidei was the cop and then suggested he could be the other mafia - superbia said great check, but I can't see where else he'd go from his prior slam/copcake suggestion
obviously I got overexcited to the point I forgot to actually claim my role (lol) so that could have contributed to scott being leery. don't know. but look at those reactions and assess if something feels off.
I could envision a mafia having some pause in what they say to dart into scum qt and be like "oh shit you're dead copcake" or debating whether to CC. super wifom, but some feeling of shock might contribute to a delay in reaction. it's a thought.
in this light, look at scott/superbia. I know md reacted instantaneously.
(2) also the same for when GB claimed and then was counterclaimed. that might be another thing to check and re-check through late game.
(3) events through the Breshke push/claim, reactions during the claim.
might not be comprehensive since not everyone was in thread at key moments but it's another piece of information that could be telling for some people.
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alakaslam is saying superbia/scott - of those two which one do you suspect the most? why?
(answer this if you ever have time, yeah I'll be dead obviously but still answer it for everyone else)
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really can't see it being fidei or md at this point. really really can't. I mean especially in the case of md, he's practically playing against win condition or went for a ridiculously risky strategy overall.
still thinking superbia > slam > scott
scott is near tinfoil but not as tinfoil as md
from ockham's razor standpoint if slam is lynched next day I can see a mafia superbia making the nightkill that favours him for final three. given his spurts of activity from time to time, just like he went all out on Breshke, I can see him just pummel his choice target in final 3.
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On September 17 2015 06:04 Fidei86 wrote: @NM Yeah. I remember thinking at the time that Scott's cop read on me made a lot of sense, since I've been playing a bit more cagey this time around. And when you claimed, he instantly revealed and turned on me. Before, he had been town reading me quite lightly, which is pretty consistent with his later explanation.
what if anything do you make of superbia's reaction?
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at this point I'm out of ideas. around until the daypost if anyone wants to chat.
maybe I'll cobble up the materials for a bulletproof vest, should be able to make one in 45 minutes
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On September 17 2015 06:56 MoosyDoosy wrote:Any world Mafia doesn't kill you? I don't want you to die.
doubt it. you're the only other one universally townread and we have similar reads. just that I'm mechanically confirmed and you aren't, that's really the only difference.
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On September 17 2015 06:56 Fidei86 wrote: @NM I've been thinking a bit about the BF cop claim thing from Superbia. What do you think? I initially thought it looked quite towny, but then it was made so late that we didn't really have time to move. And it was made so late, it didn't save him anyway. If Superbia honestly did think BF was the cop, surely he would have said it a bit earlier?
wait, made so late? how late? minutes left? I have to look at that.
also just thinking, it appears boxerfred has played enough games where if he had to afk I think he would have claimed himself prior to leaving.
[S] Newbie Student Mafia X Mafia Goon Endgamed Night 5 [M][N] I Still Cant Believe its not Themed Mafia Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 [N] Mafia in the Himalayas Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1 [N] TL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden Town Endgamed Day 6 [M][N] Mini Mafia Down Under 3 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 4 [M][N] TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 Town Vanilla Lynched Day 1
at no point he's been a power role but I'm sure he'd have claimed before leaving. which might make that thought less credible honestly.
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On September 13 2015 07:25 MoosyDoosy wrote:???
On September 13 2015 07:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 07:26 Superbia wrote: He fucking entered the day completely turning on me even though I did not do anything. I think he's the cop with a green on me z_z that is NAI. could be mafia slip.
5 minutes prior to deadline.
that's entirely too close.
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