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Oh yeah.
On September 18 2015 22:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2015 21:32 Superbia wrote:
Like explain to me how that benefits a scum from their perspective. It doesn't benefit scum but it's a common reaction. I don't see it far from this world for you to be demotivated after scummate CopCake basically gives up and doesn't even fight off the lynch
Look at my scum/town games. I pick up slack when my alignment is losing. That's when I go ham. I slack when I'm winning.
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1. I’m talking about in general. Your whole D1 game was questions and you didn’t give any reads. Not just the whole yamato/rayn debacle which made you waffle. Like, you cannot deny your early game was rather subpar. Sure you spurred conversation, but it’s a mystery to read you because all you did was questions.
2. But see, boxerfred would have been lynched anyway with only 3-5 minutes left to go when you outed him. Like, your out made no sense at that point in time. He would have been lynched anyway and he WAS lynched anyway. If you really cared about letting who you thought was our cop “live” then you should have outed him earlier. You cannot deny that if boxerfred was our cop he would have died anyway. You get no town cred for showing you were hunting blues and outing one super late enough that he would have died anyway.
3 is WIFOM so I agree it can only be used as confirmation. 4 is still a point. It’s no reason to hard townread someone based off of meta and in a different variant of Mafia. 5 is a point too.
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On September 18 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote:
1. I’m talking about in general. Your whole D1 game was questions and you didn’t give any reads. Not just the whole yamato/rayn debacle which made you waffle. Like, you cannot deny your early game was rather subpar. Sure you spurred conversation, but it’s a mystery to read you because all you did was questions.
2. But see, boxerfred would have been lynched anyway with only 3-5 minutes left to go when you outed him. Like, your out made no sense at that point in time. He would have been lynched anyway and he WAS lynched anyway. If you really cared about letting who you thought was our cop “live” then you should have outed him earlier. You cannot deny that if boxerfred was our cop he would have died anyway. You get no town cred for showing you were hunting blues and outing one super late enough that he would have died anyway.
3 is WIFOM so I agree it can only be used as confirmation. 4 is still a point. It’s no reason to hard townread someone based off of meta and in a different variant of Mafia. 5 is a point too.
1. That's not true. I gave some reads at EoD but I was still clear that I was still unsure about who the actual scum was. This is why most of my d1 consisted of questions. Most of them were answered but did not amount to much.
2. That's bullshit and complete hindsight. Everyone who was voting on BF was there. If anyone besides slam would've switched I would've been dead and, if you believe I was mafia, the godfather would've died. My out makes complete sense if I believe boxerfred to be the cop. This is such a ridiculous point you're hammering home dude. Evaluate that EoD from my PoV believing me to be town and believing BF to be the cop. Again. I don't want cop to be outed AND I don't want cop to die. The fact that you believe me to be MAFIA for this is bonkers. Absolutely insane. (Also you should try and read PRs as either alignment).
3. You read people based on whatever you can. If I think I can read someone (as whatever alignment) based on meta, I will. I turned out to be wrong. Big deal. I turned out to be right EoD1, but nobody gives a shit about that.I also don't see how 5 is still a point?
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2. No it isn't hindsight. It was pretty clear both me and NocturneMage weren't going to switch. Alakaslam's switch wouldn't have mattered either way as well as boxer was going to be lynched anyway. scott wasn't around at that time. So yes, this point still stands. Superbia, go back to the voting thread and look at the counts as well as how boxerfred was in the lead. It really wouldn't have mattered even if Slam switched and you know it.
5. It's NAI at the very least. Combined with everything else, it's a scum lean like point 3.
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Moosy. Boxerfred was not in the lead so I did not want to out the cop. Do you not understand my predicament at EoD3? This is actually really fucking frustrating. You need to re-evaluate. I can not know whether you or NM would switch. Would it have mattered if I had been 10m earlier? No fucking idea. This is such an incredibly bad point dude, realize this. I can not know how you guys will react to my PR-read on boxer. I can not know that you guys will not switch on me. 3 minutes is plenty of time to switch.
5 is more townie than NAI. It clearly shows I am unclear about copcake's alignment in my opinion. But take that as you want.
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I'm about to leave. I do not really have a final answer.
Fidei had a town post early on so fuck it then.
At this point I am extremely waffly between either scott or slam. Leaning slam. Fuck it. The switch on scott just now seemed fabricated.
Hopefully I'll be back before EoD.
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Don't fuck up. Don't fucking be adamant about my alignment. It's very easy to get into a tunnel mindset. I am not mafia. I am town.
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On September 19 2015 00:29 Superbia wrote:
Moosy. Boxerfred was not in the lead so I did not want to out the cop. Do you not understand my predicament at EoD3? This is actually really fucking frustrating. You need to re-evaluate. I can not know whether you or NM would switch. Would it have mattered if I had been 10m earlier? No fucking idea. This is such an incredibly bad point dude, realize this. I can not know how you guys will react to my PR-read on boxer. I can not know that you guys will not switch on me. 3 minutes is plenty of time to switch.
5 is more townie than NAI. It clearly shows I am unclear about copcake's alignment in my opinion. But take that as you want.
No. You're not understanding this. Of course it would have been so much better for you to "out" 10 minutes earlier. Like, anyone who switches at that point doesn't have a clear mind or actually know what they're doing. Look at Alakaslam and how eager everyone was to scum read him for his EoD voting when he was literally just following your advice.
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On September 19 2015 00:34 Superbia wrote:
I'm about to leave. I do not really have a final answer.
Fidei had a town post early on so fuck it then.
At this point I am extremely waffly between either scott or slam. Leaning slam. Fuck it. The switch on scott just now seemed fabricated.
Hopefully I'll be back before EoD.
Okay, but I asked for your thoughts on scott and any points in particular that you'd like me to see.
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I'm here for a very short while.
At the moment besides points I have brought up earlier, I dislike scott's read progression on copcake. He calls her town mid-D1 after disliking everything she posted. Then he town-reads her for a big list post while he disagrees with her main scum-read and push. As far as I know, this read solidifies for the rest of the game until she is red-checked. I do not know how she became so hard town in his circle for such a long time (I know my reasons). I'm voting slam over scott for now purely for gut reasons.
Now I'm off for probably a long time.
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On September 19 2015 00:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2015 00:29 Superbia wrote:
Moosy. Boxerfred was not in the lead so I did not want to out the cop. Do you not understand my predicament at EoD3? This is actually really fucking frustrating. You need to re-evaluate. I can not know whether you or NM would switch. Would it have mattered if I had been 10m earlier? No fucking idea. This is such an incredibly bad point dude, realize this. I can not know how you guys will react to my PR-read on boxer. I can not know that you guys will not switch on me. 3 minutes is plenty of time to switch.
5 is more townie than NAI. It clearly shows I am unclear about copcake's alignment in my opinion. But take that as you want. No. You're not understanding this. Of course it would have been so much better for you to "out" 10 minutes earlier. Like, anyone who switches at that point doesn't have a clear mind or actually know what they're doing. Look at Alakaslam and how eager everyone was to scum read him for his EoD voting when he was literally just following your advice.
This doesn't make anyone scum dude. I have no idea where you guys are getting your vote-logic from but it's not good. =/ Especially post-flips...
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@MD Okay, I'm finishing work now. I'm going to go home, put on some nice music, and filter dive the crap out of Superbia and Scott. Double promise. Lynch me if I don't.
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PS I'm getting this really really weird feeling that it might actually be scott. But it's just a hunch, and it's probably tinfoil. More later.
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On September 19 2015 01:21 Superbia wrote:
I'm here for a very short while.
At the moment besides points I have brought up earlier, I dislike scott's read progression on copcake. He calls her town mid-D1 after disliking everything she posted. Then he town-reads her for a big list post while he disagrees with her main scum-read and push. As far as I know, this read solidifies for the rest of the game until she is red-checked. I do not know how she became so hard town in his circle for such a long time (I know my reasons). I'm voting slam over scott for now purely for gut reasons.
Now I'm off for probably a long time.
Hm...let me go back and check.
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The Case On Scott
Weird thread entry.
On September 05 2015 09:00 scott31337 wrote:
Fucking town - I wanted to be mafia with Fidei and someone else - We'd bus the shit out of #3 and claim our victory.
Okay, so these aren't always alignment indicative. In fact, they probably usually aren't. This jarred me though because Scott and I have been town together twice, but the second time he was utterly useless (sorry bud, but you were). It's not like we've played together loads, or that our games have been great, or that we've really interacted that much. Early pocket, possibly?
Early weird read on GB:
GB smoking/drinking again - and follow his opposite (#279)
Scum reads GB, but votes n00b, without really scum reading n00b at all:
##Vote N00bking
GB probably mafia too for his - GB thing and defending
Post #631 is all over the place. He basically gives two good reasons to scum read Slam, but then town reads him. He continued to vote n00b without offering a read on him. Emphasises that he is scum reading GB, but continues to vote n00b.
His list post here really is interesting:
On September 06 2015 03:14 scott31337 wrote:
MoosyDoosy - town, wants to solve game
n00bKing - mafia -
CoughingHydra - null - even posted?
CopCake - slight townlean trying to solve
Alakaslam - really posty - tinfoil like Breshke - actually want to win or change it up?
Fidei86 - null - posts?
scott31337 - town
Superbia - a little townlean from what I read earlier started well died off
GlowingBear - OMGUS smoking crack voting me - mafia lean - not interested in solving
boxerfred - no posts?
yamato77 - townlean - doing his yamato town "meta"
Breshke - townlean - but posting wayyy too much - laid off or changing it up - townlean not D1 lynch
raynpelikoneet - town hero as usual - <3
Time to make sure I did not forget anybody
So he town reads Cake as "trying to solve"?? All I remember her doing is yelling at people and buddying with rayn.
He then goes on a run of posts calling GB mafia.
Next interesting post is this:
On September 06 2015 03:53 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2015 03:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Scott, wouldn't it be easier if you'd cobsolidate your reads in one post instead of going through the topic and post reads and re-adapt them as you go?
Meh, I don't know. I don't like what you're doing, although I think your reads make sense I was posting my townie thoughts along the way and adding my thoughts and quotes up in notepad. Do you have any specific questions for me? Is n00bking toast and you are bussing him now? What about boxerfred, who's only made one post, why do you mention nothing of him?
Asking questions of a mafia buddy is pretty standard play, but the questions here are quite barbed. However, the next post (#650) he CONTINUES to have n00b as his scum read, depite having not really mentioned him at all.
Next interesting post is #845, where he pings me out for numbering my post references. I found that super weird.
At 21:27BST he votes for GB. He's the second one onto the wagon, after Slam who'd been on it for ages. This was early. It was at least half an hour before the Yamato wagon thing started. Honestly, if this was a bus, it was SUPER risky. Scott started momentum that later came to fruition.
This post is interesting too:
On September 07 2015 06:19 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2015 06:11 Fidei86 wrote:
Does scott have a reason for being on GB other than OMGUS? It's a little more than OMGUS - He calls Rayn mafia for really bad reasons - His reads are basically opposite of mine (except for Noobking, but then he votes me instead) - a lot of one liners for a 6 page filter/etc.
So I ask why Scott is voting GB. These are all really good reasons to be voting GB. And his response really gets the GB wagon going, in circumstancs where it wasn't before. Yes, this could be a mad bus strat. But I don't see why mafia would bother this early. Realistically, mafia don't have to sell out that hard to achieve the n00b lynch. A little more pressure on n00b and they make it, I think.
However, he *is* still town-reading Cake for basically no reason:
I think Copcake's town and am not seeing the reasoning for him.
Similar response in #1170. But I'm not sure why he has a town read on me at this point? If he does, he hasn't said it up till now.
This reasoning for moving onto n00b from GB is pretty towny:
On September 07 2015 07:28 scott31337 wrote:
Done - Can't let Cake get lynched
If you're mafia, you can easily just say "no lyncherino doctorino". But saying that you're doing it in order to save your mafia buddy? I dunno. This would be weird. And it does fit into his Cake town read.
Not going to copy and paste scott's post on GB's claim. It all makes sense, and sort of accords with what I thought: "probs fake, but it'll sort itself out".
I thought this post was weird:
I haven't rolled mafia in how many games? six or seven? - and from what I've learned, I want to again sometime.
Probable typo, but still...
After Yamato dies, scott flips his read on boxerfred, and says he could sheep his read. He then starts saying he could lynch me, for no given reason. He does later give a reason though.
His response to MD's case on Cake is basically to deflect off it "case is okay - rather lynch GB".
But hang on a sec, now he has a town read on Cake? Huh?
On September 11 2015 02:54 scott31337 wrote:My thoughts for now - Superbia-my #1 Scum right now - very little followup - not voting the right wagons - first vote for n00bking - beyond any magic blue work - want to lynch tomorrow MoosyDoosy - His Night 2 is espically weird - he thinks rayn's claim is fake - gets called out for bluehunting (which I sure thought he was doing as well) and then backpedals quite hard on it. My gut calls him #2 right now. boxerfred-quiet and in the stands - although has some good posts and points - just above null. Breshke-I've like his play n2 with moosy - trying to prod and get answers out of him - bad voting d1. He'd be above boxer. CopCake - I just want this guy to do some more as town if he is - what are your thoughts on everybody? slight townlean, please help  Fidei86 - Helped get GB lynched, but just has been a little off - maybe he's overworked like he said in a few messages? townlean Alakaslam - did the super phat bus on GB (voted first on him day 1, never left until he claimed, was suspicious of him all game) or he's town - not lynching anytime soon. raynpelikoneet-Da man - I will keep the town in line and accomplish victory for us in your name! Oh and IRL excuse - I'll be traveling out of town tomorrow/Friday and then a pool party afterwards - so expect very little posting.
And now I'm a town read again? Huh? And he wants to lynch Superbia out of literally nowhere.
Post #2292 gives me pause. Scott sheeps my "Superbia/Bresh fight was pointless" read. His read on Cake shifts like three times IN THE SAME POST. He starts off saying "CC not confirmed town, better fish to fry", but then puts Cake in his town team?
He's still defending Cake here:
On September 12 2015 18:01 scott31337 wrote:
Moosy we are not lynching Copcake tomorrow so tell me your #2 when I wake up tomorrow.
CopCake
Alakaslam
Superbia
boxerfred
Each tell me your #1 lynch.
MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred
Superbia (2): scott31337, Breshke
Breshke (2): Fidei86, NocturneMage
MoosyDoosy (0): Alakaslam
Not Informing (5): MoosyDoosy, CopCake, Alakaslam, Superbia, boxerfred
Mafia love to wait on their vote BTW
This next post makes no sense to me if scott is mafia with Cake:
On September 13 2015 03:56 scott31337 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 13 2015 03:32 CopCake wrote:
Ensenada is foggy as fuck.
I will vote scott for the "i dont have a read on copcake but she is town" Let me try to explain this a little better - so your voting speaks town - but your talking does not - and it's not because of ESL (English as a second language) - You should just say what's on your mind as town but you don't. You have to be prodded for reads every time and even that does not work. When I posted my townteam - "CopCake/Slam/Fidei/scott/nm" it's what I'm feeling at the moment (that's not in order btw, if you want order it'd be like "Scott/Slam/NM/Fidei/CopCake" - You're my weakest townread, but it is one, basically because the others are scummier. Does that make sense?
Why would Cake shift her vote onto Scott, unless they were mad into their bus strat? Cake's point on scott was legit, but why would mafia make it?
#2438, Scott is back on the boxerfred wagon, despite having repeatedly read him as town. He also wants to save me over BF?
And how does this make sense:
On September 13 2015 07:24 scott31337 wrote:
I think boxer is worse out of the two. Copcake calling me mafia and voting seems unnatural for the reasons (I believe because I put him in the weak side of the town circle, but didn't understand this and I explained it)
He thinks BF is worse than Cake, despite these reasons why Cake is bad? And no reasons for BF?
Here scott continues to wrestle with Cake's alignment.
On September 14 2015 07:30 scott31337 wrote:
Breshke should die, but just in case he does not and I do -
CopCake - Please just fucking help, frustrating
Superbia - think you are town but the "sicklucker confirmed town" shit is bullshit. Stop. Help us out today.
MoosyDoosy - He brought a better D3 and gets a few points for sure - I went to a null on him though for unexplained reasons
NocturneMage - He's brought his game up tremendously if he's mafia unlike his last game - when he's free he acts town feels town.
Alakaslam - Phat magic bus theory or town but You can't ride it forever either.
Fidei86 - He's been a little off/overworked but pretty sure he's town
Breshke- 99% sure he's the doctor and probably dead with no CC
After the NM reveal, scott says that he thought I was the cop. That actually makes a bunch of sense - he had been soft defending me for meta reasons for a while.
He later says he wants to filter dive Cake, but I'm not sure why anyone would bother as NM's claim was like 100%.
After that he starts pushing Superbia. But yeah, that makes sense. He asks Superbia to give other reads, which I agree with. He also continues to defend Slam, which is going to make it difficult if he gets to 2v1 with me and him.
He's checked out a bit recently. IDK.
TL;DR
Scott *could* be town. But there are just too many weird things that wouldn't make sense from a mafia perspective. The GB was 100% a bus. His interactions with Cake were weird, but understandable from a town perspective.
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EBWOP:
LOL. Should read Scott *could* be mafia.
Derp.
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I'm going to vote Superbia. Sorry if you're town. I want to watch the rugby and play some Season of the Witch. I read the first four pages of your filter yesterday, and it was mad mafia.
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Also, MD no lyncherino me for not going through with my second promised filter dive.
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