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VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:03 GMT

#2053

On August 29 2015 00:02 marvellosity wrote:

but you shouldn't think it. i don't know how you can possibly think it given how Palmar literally 100% of the time behaves towards you.

BUT HE SHOULDN'T I'M GOOD AT THIS GAME FAOPVOWIVNWAOIEVNANBOAIUEBNAERIOBNA

VBORAONBAROBNAONI

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:04 GMT

#2054

Like and so is he, so it's an act regardless of his alignment. I guess it becomes: WHEN did he do that? He'd been calling me a lynch candidate before that point, at what point did he flip to saying I'm bad town? I guess that's what I should be looking at.

*grumblegrumble*

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:06 GMT

#2056

On August 29 2015 00:05 marvellosity wrote:

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"I have 5 balls of different colour, red, yellow, blue, green, purple.

Regardless of which one i show him, he always says the ball is red. Always.

I showed him a blue ball this game, he said it was red.

THAT IS REALLY SUSPICIOUS"

sorry, no bueno

Yeah, that's a really bad analogy.

I guess they can't all be winners.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:08 GMT

#2059

ANYWAY, so that's why I think Palmar is mafia, in a nutshell.

NOW. Could you kindly tell me why you think I'm wrong IF you think I'm wrong?

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:12 GMT

#2061

Take all the time you need - I'ma get some lunch.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:17 GMT

#2064

I'm hard.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:47 GMT

#2089

Yeah that's about what I expected marv. Like it's nothing I can be like "Oh yeah" because it's all based on your subjective memory of how he plays as one alignment or another. On top of that Palmar is a player who at least superficially tries to mimic his townplay as mafia, so using reasoning he'd use as town AS mafia is....not just well within his gamut, but expected.

Anyway, I get what you're saying. I just disagree.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:49 GMT

#2090

On August 29 2015 00:41 Palmar wrote:

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Yes this is exactly my problem with someone like VE.

He is literally chasing things that will never happen. He has, by choice, made himself useless. And I don't even think this makes him mafia. He is going after people that are part of this mutual giant circlejerk.

And it's posts like this that make me even more certain Palmar is mafia. I'm not useless by a fucking stretch. I'm giving my opinions and thoughts, and pushing my preferences. Just because Palmar is townreading someone doesn't make them off limits for lynch and by extension useless for me to push, but Palmar would have you believe otherwise.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:50 GMT

#2092

On August 29 2015 00:49 Palmar wrote:

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Can you do everything again but assume that everything you've already done is wrong and bad?

That'd be great.

Nah, I'd just rather lynch you and if I'm wrong reassess. That's how this game is played.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:52 GMT

#2095

On August 29 2015 00:51 Palmar wrote:

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Yes you are useless.

I am not mafia
Trfel is like 95% town

We are your #1 and #2 scumreads

therefore you might as well just not be playing the game.

And from my perspective Trfel has done nothing to warrant a 95% townread, so you stating as much is either you covering for a scumbuddy or trying to pocket a townie with TMI.

On top of that you're intentionally trying to infuriate me by repeatedly calling me bad, which leads me to believe that you're TRYING to make me quit trying, which is a very mafia thing of you to do.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:54 GMT

#2097

On August 29 2015 00:52 marvellosity wrote:

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because he definitely wouldn't say that as town

definitely not

oh no, town-Palmar wouldn't do that, no no no

If you could maybe cut the sarcasm down by like 25% that would be fantastic.

The fact that he does it as town doesn't mean he won't do it as mafia. IN FACT ITS THE FUCKING OPPOSITE.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:55 GMT

#2100

Like I'm not talking about him calling me bad marv, I'm talking about him calling me useless and saying I might as well not be playing the game. I've been in here contributing and participating all fucking game, but because I'm suspicious of him, I'm not doing anything and I might as well not be playing. Do you really not see how I think that's objectively scummy?

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:57 GMT

#2104

On August 29 2015 00:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE time to detunnel.
Also palmar I assert that Trfel is only allowed to be 95% town if I am.

Yeah okay what the fuck ever, apparently it doesn't even matter what I think so who the fuck cares anyway?

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:57 GMT

#2105

Palmar based town God, hopefully he doesn't make us lynch JAT because I suspect that's a bad move.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 15:58 GMT

#2106

##Sheep: Palmar
/thread

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 16:01 GMT

#2110

I think the only way for me to be objective about this game is to remove Trfel/Palmar from the equation entirely. If they're both mafia it's gonna be a long fucking game for me, but whatever, apparently I haven't even been playing up to now anyway so there you have it.

I'm gonna reread under the assumption that Palmar and Trfel are both confirmed town and see where that gets me.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 28 2015 16:41 GMT

#2134

I hope we're not all waiting on me. I'm definitely not trying to re-read the game in less than twelve hours, not with my schedule anyway. I'll do so if I live through the night.

In the meantime we can talk about players like Hopeless and decon. Players who have no horse in the race as it were with regard to Palmar/Trfel.

For starters I thought the way Hopeless opened the night with "Well I'm fucked" was a little awkward in a guilty-conscience sort of way. Taken with his entrance to the tread, I think there could be a good chance of him flipping mafia. Thoughts?

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 29 2015 15:29 GMT

#2441

Hi guys. I've got a really busy weekend going on, but I'm gonna try and get some reading done and give some thoughts.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 29 2015 19:21 GMT

#2460

Okay so if marv's claim is true (I have no reason to doubt it unless there's some sort of other claim, and even then...) then that just basically makes the game a little easier FMP. I was doubting decon late yesterday, especially coming in and calling me town super late yesterday for making posts he agreed with without really saying which ones. With him clear I'm looking at lynching outside of:

VE
marv...\
decon./
JAT
Moosy

I promised I'd make an effort to reevaluate Palmar and Trfel, so I'm going to add them to the no-lynch list today as well as I accommodate that. Leaving us lynching into this pool (again, from my perspective):

Vivax
KelsierSC
Mr. Cheesecake
Hopeless1der

In spite of me reevaluating Palmar/Trfel, Vivax seems to have been having many of the same thoughts as me over the course of the game, or at the very least coming to some of the same conclusions, so I'll state up front that I want to lynch him the least.

Cheesecake is an anomoly. I really badly want to townread Cheesecake, but my guts tell me that's a bad thing. Well, my guts, my personal experience with him and marv twittering in my ear stating the same thing. Generally speaking it would make me a little suspicious, marv using this heuristic, but given that it's Cheese and given that marv has claimed cop, I have to at least factor in that I think that AS TOWN, marv thinks Cheese is suspicious for sounding townie. Further, Cheese seems to KNOW I'm town in his posting, from how he "understands why VE would find" him suspicious to how his formatting seems to mimic JAT, someone VE has hard townread, it all feels like a direct appeal to someone who is familiar with his meta. Or maybe that's just my ego. At any rate, Cheese is one I'd be interested in lynching today.

Kelsier is hard for me to read in general. I'm pretty sure I've always had a hard time reading him, and that trend continues this game. But again, he seems to share my thought process on some important reads, and he seems to openly disagree with others, so for now I'm throwing him in the town pile.

As I said earlier, Hopeless felt scummy yesterday to me, more so than boxerfred. I would have preferred a Hopeless lynch yesterday, and here we are today, Hopeless still alive and barely posting. The only thing that gives me pause is how many people seem to be just fine with a Hopeless lynch. But honestly the votes don't actually reflect that so maybe I'm just imagining things. I'm still fine with a Hopeless lynch today.

With that I'm going to go ahead and throw my weight behind the Cheesecake lynch but I'm conflicted because, a) because I like marv and JAT but b) the people openly stating they're okay with a Hopeless lynch are the ones piddle-dicking around and not voting, which makes me think that vote is better in general. I'd like to hear marv and JAT's thoughts on the matter in particular, but everyone is welcome to give input.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 30 2015 21:28 GMT

#2590

Hi I'm here am I too late?

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