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On August 18 2015 01:37 Damdred wrote: Hehe I hope I get ls sorta... I claims under the least amount of pressure XDCDXDXD Fixed | ||
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On August 17 2015 13:58 Onegu wrote: Game will start in . Everything is finished except a bit of flavor. Looks like the deadline got pushed back silently or Onegu put the wrong date in the countdown. | ||
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On August 18 2015 10:26 Chezinu wrote: Can't wait to talk in character before the game starts. Are you saying you aren't in character already? | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:02 yamato77 wrote: confirmed town? You didn't post first. You're not confirmed town. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:03 Tubesock wrote: I didn't get who I wanted either. Sadface Yeah, but I had like a list of idk 15 people I sent. Plus Onegu made it worse because he told me I didn't get anyone on my list on TS last night. It made me cry. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote: There once was a man named Damdred, he moved outside town one day and never turned back. Monsters everywhere red blue and black. The hangman noose he feared the most all,he wanted was his friends but who would,be his friend? Would it be you or maybe you? Would geript be,his friend? I don't know if I can be friends with Chezinu. It's like rubbing it in. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:18 Tubesock wrote: If Damdred is Chezinu, then first to scum Damdred is mafia due Chezinu rule. Geript mafia. Rekt. Chezinu rule only applies to people who haven't played with Chezinu before. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote: There once was a man named Damdred, he moved outside town one day and never turned back. Monsters everywhere red blue and black. The hangman noose he feared the most all,he wanted was his friends but who would,be his friend? Would it be you or maybe you? Would geript be,his friend? I would like to make a withdraw. Can I deposit my debt into Blazinghand's account? I'm pretty sure he has pictures of money that will surely cover the amount owed. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote: Wave is scary, his,face reminds me of what I saw when I looked under my bed. What friend will protect me? Who will be my friend? It's ok. I'll smother him with a pillow when he sleeps. You need not worry. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote: Announcement, Announcement A grand shipment has just arrived at the bank of Brown! Come quickly while we are still in stock for your troll items! All it requires is a deposit of 3 cheznoozs! What is the current exchange rate of GreyMist bucks to Chezinoos? I might be able to get in on this. | ||
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On August 19 2015 07:49 Damdred wrote: The greymist exchange rate has plummeted with his bankruptcy which we don't talk about here, you,never want runs on the bank or robbery. But just for friends of,the bank I will do a 3-1 exchange rate. I would like to exchange my 3.14159 Greymist bucks. Can I apply for a loan for the remaining Chezinoos? I thought the bank would dislike Blazinghands because he is always trying to cash fake cheques. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:06 WaveofShadow wrote: Bloodycobbler? Kinda like an assassin. He was in the first personality I think. Plus he was listed in Boardwalk. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:15 ruXxar wrote: I think you're wrong. He doesn't play scum like this. Wrong | ||
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On August 19 2015 13:20 The Shining wrote: Holy 227 posts Batman! I only came in to laugh at my role PM because I got exactly who I expected to get. Shyt, I'm already playing to my personality bwaahhaahaa I gotta read. I just wanted to say hi. time to carry town This guy might be mafia because I literally have zero clue who he even possibly could be trying to play. | ||
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The only thing that gives me pause is that the basis for his read is really fucktarded and the "I'll wait to confirm with him what he said" thing. Because if he fucking believes it, why in the fuck would anything I say matter? For right now, I'm leaning bad/dumb/newbie play but I wouldn't mind a cop check on him whatsoever. I forget who it was and I'm being too lazy to find it, but I think it was HTS or JJ who pointed out about ritoky (who's obviously pretending to be BH), that even when BH goes on his long RNG pushes BH will still talk about other people and other things. That's a really good read imo. Because ritoky has been completely fucking useless and even BH will find at least 1 interesting argument to push his RNG with. + Show Spoiler + fwiw HTS might have pointed out ruXxar b/c LS does more than what ruXxar has been pointing out and JJ might have pointed out that BH does far more than ritoky is doing. I remember liking both points when they were made actually. I don't know why people are pushing Damdred. I'll be honest and say that I don't have a town read on him, but I don't not have a townread on him either. Like I'm super stronk at knowing his alignment and I'd be really surprised if he's mafia. Like Chezinu could be a 3p role; something like arsonist or something but I really don't care. He's unlikely to be mafia and the Chez role could be town. I remember Rels looked a lot worse in passing. In the least, that as town he seems to make better point and choose better targets so he might have rolled scum. Otherwise I have other shit I need to do currently and CBA. | ||
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On August 19 2015 08:59 Chezinu wrote: Btw Dam is mafia as well, he isnt funny enough with his damdred rule read. There have been a variety of things that have really bugged me about Chezinu. Chez is the type of guy that personality games were made for. He'll get in character and try to be the role. Like I've been able to recognize pretty much anyone who's posted in character (or in the least had a good guess), but I can't really figure out who Chez is even pretending to be. For chez, that's pretty odd. Chezinu isn't really trolling as himself and he isn't roleplaying. On top of that, Chezinu I think would be super interested in lynching Fecalfeast. Damdred is obviously trying to play as Chezinu. There's no doubt there. But he is in no way trying to see if the Chezinu Rule is true by proxy. Considering the fact that the Chezinu rule has never, ever been wrong. It's always located scum. I find it hard to believe that town!Chez wouldn't be interested in the slightest in trying to lynch Fecalfeast. On top of that, Chez has voted twice so far. From what I recall from playing with him, he tends to do this far more as mafia. Like, he made an early vote in my game, but it sat around on Trfel for a bit. But here's he's voting for not weird reasons and not good reasons. He popped from ritoky onto damdred which essentially opposite sides of matters. | ||
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Rels--Super useless. Would lynch. HtS--Has a singular good point (re: Ruxxar/LS), but most of filter is blah. Would lynch. Fido--IDK what to think of him. There's mixed points to be had, but I like his approach to reading the game and that makes me think he's probably town. Wave--Everytime I think I have him figured out, I'm wrong. I'm just giong to pretend that he's flipped town and have fun with him while we're alive because I don't get to play with him much. <3 wubby. yamato--super duper useless. would lynch. Breshke--98% certain he's town. I could be wrong, but i really doubt it. I've had a good meta read on him for a while. ruxxxar--longest filter so far, hops around and says stupid shit like he has the past couple town games, so he's probably town. But his stupid shit does seem worse than normal. I don't think he's a good lynch today though. Damdred--not town, but not mafia. I'll look at him more when he's had time to post oetherwise. JudgeJudy--ok posts, half flavor/fluff half content. Doesn't look terrible. townpile. OWS--don't care can't read worth a shit ritoky--Blazinghand and exceptionally useless. would lynch. VA--has said and done nothing useful despite apparently being marv. would lynch. Ticktock--He hasn't said anything I've really liked. Plus he apparently rolled me. I think that me and BH would be two of the rolls most likely to be mafia in this game. Mainly because the two of us are known far more for our mafia play than our town play. Would lynch. Tubesock--Exceptionally meh. FF--He's probably like VE which is probably a town role. But there's nothing redeeming in his filter plus there's the Chezinu rule so he needs to die. LT--Would lynch. I've played with him some IRL and he doesn't feel like his town LT self. it doesn't transfer over entirely, but I still don't like him. Beneather--MIA modkill Kelsier--super useless. Trolls people. not posted 1 redeeming thing. He's a good shot for scum. Would lynch. So what's the point of all of this. Well if you notice, there are exceptionally few townreads here. Like grow the fuck up and grab your nuts and make yourselves towny if you're town. I don't care if you play in character or not, but we have <24 hours to lynch someone and I can't even find like 5 super stronk townreads. There's no way we get a good lynch off if this holds. So don't bitch when I end up pushing to kill one of you fuckers because you're not being towny. Step up and play. | ||
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On August 20 2015 08:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Geript, what did you think of Shining's tubesock case? I actually thought it was pretty good. Not as bad as I originally thought maybe. It just doesn't feel like it's anything alignment indicative though. I'll upgrade Shining slightly for it, but the case doesn't feel rock solid at all. | ||
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Rels HtS yamato OWS ritoky VA Ticktock Tubesock LT Beneather Kelsier Chezinu | ||
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On August 20 2015 13:21 ritoky wrote: You don't find this scummy? Inconsistencies aren't inherently scummy or towny. Like a better argument for him being scum is how over explainy and how often he qualifies his reads like people care. If you can make a good case on him, then I'm all ears. But nothing what you've posted so far makes me want to lynch him especially over people who have put for zero effort whatsoever. | ||
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On August 21 2015 01:50 yamato77 wrote: I have a read. I think Geript is mafia. Why do you even join games because you 'play' like this? | ||
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On August 21 2015 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Cmon bby. You know as well as I do that that's not particularly effective. The fact that you think ruxxar shouldn't be lynched based on filter, even though half of that filter is pregame spam is what's egregious. It's more than just filter Wave. I've explained it a few times in thread. He says stupid shit as town. He's for the most part kept talking and is acting unafraid. He's got a longer filter than most (hell most haven't broken 2-3 pages. There's lots of reasons to think he's a bad flip. | ||
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On August 21 2015 03:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Can you explain to me why it's town!bad and not just him being scum? Can you explain why any of yamato/VA/Chez/Kelsier are town!lurking instead of scum!lurking? And no, I'm not going to bother trying to analyze the game super heavily so long as we're allowing people to literally not play the fucking game whatsoever. I'm going to go with what I think and the best odds. Like there's literally not a point. The cases on him aren't very good. They don't address the points that have been brought up that make him a bad flip whatsoever. They continue to ignore the actual problems that we have in this game. Bottom line, we can't let Kelsier/VA/Yam/Chez anywhere near lylo. Because there's super fucking coin flips; it's better to clear the problem children now and analyze the game when we get to that point later. | ||
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On August 21 2015 03:50 Damdred wrote: The damdred rule has never failed and to simplify this rule into trolling and being scum read is an injustice the world has never seen. The great chez must be a monster It's time to stop trolling Damdred. | ||
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Tube... meh. I ahven't seen anything redeeming about him. | ||
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On August 21 2015 04:07 Damdred wrote: (butbsoirit of the game) The post thoughts too. You don't get to dodge talking about the game because you rolled chez. | ||
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On August 21 2015 04:59 Tubesock wrote: Bah, course I missed you post. Why Kelsier over Yamato? Yamato will be more useful later? Same reason you are not policying VA? Take a loot at how he's responding. Kelsier is happy to continue contributing nothing whatsoever while being a lynch target. As town, he'd have some reasonable thought to push. Yamato is just an asshole and plays like this because he's too afraid of people showing him how wrong he is when he tries. | ||
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On August 21 2015 05:06 yamato77 wrote: Fuck you geript, I am far and away a better player than you'll ever be. In your dreams. You haven't found and pushed scum in a long time. You too a 50/50 shot instead of waiting for more info knowing a cop and vet were in the game. Child plz. You get to claim you're better when you prove it. | ||
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Anyone not voting for Kelsier or Chez will get shot tonight. Well at least 2 will. So fuck you all Judge herd the cats. | ||
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On August 21 2015 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Geript where are you Making pizza | ||
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On August 21 2015 07:24 KelsierSC wrote: im confirmed town aswell , i didnt vote town and told you he was town you are all getting flamed postgame/obsQT I hope you're happy baby Nice try but no. You had 4 people to vote for and voted for none of them. You agreed with the read and didn't push chez. Eat a dick there are only 5 confirmed town and you are not one | ||
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On August 21 2015 07:30 The Shining wrote: Then lynch me. I don't understand how Tube is confirmed town. Take a look at the vote count. | ||
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On August 21 2015 07:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh hey please tell me how does the town lynch make anyone anything? There were 4 good lynches yesterday and 5 people who voted for any of those four. At very most, there's on mafia in those 4. That means it's better to look at the main wagon and the straggler votes. | ||
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On August 21 2015 07:36 Fidei86 wrote: Yeah ... I mean, I'm not sure how much the "Chezinu bloc" means if/until Chezinu flips. Obviously if he does ever flip mafia, then we'll have to go back and look carefully at who voted when and what the vote count was at that point. The CheZinU block says nothing about Chez's alignment. It's the fact that 5 people ended the day with a good vote. 7 ended the day on someone who was very likely to flip town and had been explained as such by multiple people multiple times. | ||
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On August 21 2015 07:38 Damdred wrote: Idk why geript thinks I'm scum suddenly when he was pre try convinced I was third party which I am. Sadly he will probably shoot,me,and,I'll lose If you were 3rd party, you'd be happier to lynch chez and less likely to lynch ruXxar. | ||
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On August 21 2015 07:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Like... What you're explaining here is the game of mafia. Like I know you're you but it still baffles me sometimes that anyone thinks that an entire game would ever just simply do what one person says without questioning anything and be so arrogant as to assume they are absolutely and infallibly correct even after time and time again this has been false. My D1 reads are very good especially my D1 town reads. Yes, ruXxar wasnt a town read. But there were lots of reasons to think he's not mafia. For example the blue claim. He didn't claim a role. Any role. That just gives people the feel bads about him. But it'd be odd if he were on a team to not end up claiming something. | ||
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On August 21 2015 18:05 Rels wrote: @geript why Breshke isn't in your lurker list when Chez is ? Because I'm pretty sure he's town. Yamato is maybe town for consolidating on a good lynch. In the least a better lynch. Like you guys can complain about those 4 being off limits, but it'd be exceptionally odd if there were more than 1 mafia on CheZinU. Statistically they're low probability lynches ever worse than RNG and significantly worse than RNG excluding the 5 on chez. I'm serious about Damdred being mafia. If he were 3P he'd be far more interested in staying on Chez. Not because chez is 100% mafia, but because as a 3P (survivor or not) he'd be more interested in me avoiding looking at him seriously. I do think chez has a higher than normal chance to flip scum though. His play reminds me a bunch of his play in Nuclear where he was mafia with Ace and Dandelion +2. Around enough to say stuff but not really do anything specific. Plus, his approach towards being lynched was nothing like in TSM. He says similar sounding things, but when you look at TSM he had a long series of posts which showed he was sort of lost. He's just waiting to be lynched and trying to delay it. That's the difference. Town chez tries to do stuff and a lynch ends up his way because of how he plays. As mafia, he just tries to wait out the lynch and does nothing. | ||
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On August 21 2015 23:14 Fidei86 wrote: Doesn't it depend which way Chez flips (if he does)? I mean, if he's town as well, it doesn't really matter which way we went, surely? If Chez is town, then there's a slight possibility of 2 mafia on him, but that would be a very odd case. It would essentially mean there's 5 mafia (which imo is way too many for a 20 person setup) or that there was only 1 mafia on ruxxar and 1 mafia on the random votes. Those two things being true would be really really odd in general. Also, tbh I'm having a hard time believing ritoky's "I must random vote each day" shit. Like his role would have to be pretty goddamn powerful in order to lose the ability to control his own vote. While i don't have a vast opinion for onegu setups, like that shit would be super odd. I think ritoky has a decent shot for being 3p and just making shit up. | ||
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On August 21 2015 23:47 Lord Tolkien wrote: Anyone opposed to this? ##Shoot Yamato77 Yes. Damdred and Chezinu are significantly better shots. Chezinu gives us information whether it was town-town or town-mafia wagons (3p essentially being town-town). Yamato is a lower probability shot than a number of others. | ||
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On August 20 2015 08:20 rsoultin wrote: Day 1 Votecount ruXxar (6): Breshke, Half the Sky, Rels, ObiWanShinobi, WaveofShadow, Lord Tolkien Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tubesock, ritoky (1): geript, Damdred (1): Fecalfeast (1): Damdred yamato77 (1): Fecalfeast Tubesock (1): The Shining Not Voting (8): Fidei86, yamato77, ruXxar, JudgeJudy, VayneAuthority, Tictock, Beneather, KelsierSC Currently, ruxxar is set to be lynched with 6 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. You may vote for yourself, and a vote of "no lynch" is allowed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492852-the-new-personality-voting-thread Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted. On August 21 2015 06:54 rsoultin wrote: Day 1 Votecount Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, ruXxar (5): Breshke, Tubesock (4): The Shining, Rels, Chezinu, WaveofShadow, Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Damdred (2): ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather Currently, Chezinu is set to be lynched with 5 votes in . Please do not forget to vote. You may vote for yourself, and a vote of "no lynch" is allowed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/492852-the-new-personality-voting-thread Please vote in the voting thread if you want your vote to be counted. On August 21 2015 07:08 rsoultin wrote: FINAL Day 1 Votecount ruXxar (7): Breshke, ObiWanShinobi, Lord Tolkien, Damdred, Half the Sky, Chezinu, Rels Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, Tubesock, Fidei86, yamato77 Tubesock (2): The Shining, WaveofShadow Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Tictock ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar WaveofShadow (1): Fecalfeast Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather Ruxxar has been lynched with 7 votes. So a few interesting things from the voting patterns on D1. The initial Ruxxar push was comprised of: Breshke, HtS, Rels, OWS, Wave and LT. When you look at where the votes moved, however, HTS, Rels and Wave ended up moving over to Tubesock before switching back. Whereas LT moved to Chez before moving back. Unfortunately, I dont' think this says anything about LT's alignment. I kinda think Wave is town; if he's not I'm just going to policy lynch him from now on whenever I think he's town. But the series of switches makes me think there's at most 1 mafia between Rels and HTS. The voting together early on, switching together and ending together makes it highly unlikely that both are mafia. So if one of those two flips mafia, the other should be considered confirmed town period. Of those two, I think Rels is pretty obviously mafia for a few reasons. 1. On August 19 2015 18:30 Rels wrote: RNG part is stupid. You RNG formula is not public. The other part is good though. ruxxar asking tons of questions and doing nothing is scummier I think. Would be happy with the both of them. Rels has played with Ruxxar before in a student game. He was able to get a decent townread on him. Part of the reasoning for said town read was Rels was asking "good" questions and lots of them. This post by rels seems exceptionally off of how Rels has previously red ruxxar. 2. New mafia tend to ask more questions to appear active. When you look at Rel's newbie game, he was reasonably active and aggressive. What you see in this game is far more commenting on the game and being an asshole. There's not pressuring anyone. There's not flat out giving reads and posting thoughts. 3. How he's posting is drastically different. Not only is his activity significantly lower ( barely 3 pages as compared to most of 5). His posts in general are significantly shorter. He's not including a quote in almost every post he makes. How he's playing is drastically different. 4. Rayn said so. Rayn's a good player and can recognize scum quite well. Usually when he and I agree on someone, they tend to be mafia. So if there's a vigilante, Rels should the the shot far and away. | ||
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On August 19 2015 16:54 Rels wrote: Summary of the game: - people being stupid - RNG shit with hidden variable not being RNG - people being stupid - HTS not being stupid agreeing with her on ruxx. ##Vote ruxxar On August 19 2015 18:22 Rels wrote: I thought that was clear though maybe it's too complex for you. I think ruxxar is scummy. I think HTS' post about ruxxar are good. Maybe I'll expand on ruxxar if people cannot see the obvious. Not now though, I'm working. On August 19 2015 18:30 Rels wrote: RNG part is stupid. You RNG formula is not public. The other part is good though. ruxxar asking tons of questions and doing nothing is scummier I think. Would be happy with the both of them. On August 21 2015 06:17 Rels wrote: Caught up. Still think tubesock is mafia. Ruxx maybe too. Happy to lynch a lurker if that's the new thing but I prefer tube or ruxx. On August 21 2015 06:53 Rels wrote: OK with that ruxx switch I'd also note that this change in tone--going from Ruxxar super scummy to "mabye ruxxar too" and "ok w/ that ruxx switch" is a bit odd. He should be more than happy to lynch Ruxxar. Why does he shy away from it? Also, fwiw, Rels talked about far more people in his newbie game and for the most part this game has stuck to "hot topic" people including fido, tube and ruxxar. PLEASE SHOOT RELS!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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On August 22 2015 02:40 WaveofShadow wrote: I do support you being so afraid of me you have to policy lynch me though lol I still think HtS and Rels are town though Reasoning on Rels originally was Genuine on the spot analysis looked really towny here during that argument. I don't agree that Rels should be the shot---it should be someone who is actually not playing/difficult to figure out otherwise. That's a really bad townread Wave. Like really bad. That post is super easy to make as mafia. It's correct, but there's not interesting analysis there. It's literally just a summary of an easy target. Like, you should look at his Newbie game. It's totally different. Link here | ||
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@Rayn. A bit ago when we were discussing TSM or Down Under you explained your read on OWS. Can you explain how you read OWS again? | ||
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On August 22 2015 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote: This one stands out a little actually. Don't see scum attempting to turn on me when our reads have been in alignment for almost the entire game. Looks like typical paranoia which he then gets over with an easy-to-follow thought process. Rels is town. I'm not feeling that reason. It looks more like an excuse to not say anything. Like it's really weird to me that he finds your townreading him weird, but didn't check up on it himself. It's like the same thing why layabout was scum in LX or whatever it was here Layabout won as 3P. He asked lots of people what they thought, opens one filter doesn't find anything interesting and doesn't move on. Here's it's a little different because he's got an idea but doesn't really check into that idea himself. | ||
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Also, wave is right. End of phase/post flip reactions are really terrible reasons to read anyone as anything. What they do post flip can be alignement indicative but now "how they react". | ||
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I'm pretty sure both Breske and shining are town. I think JJ is town. I think yam is slightly more likely to be town than mafia. Damdred and Rels I think are the most likely to flip mafia. Chez is likely the next most. I'm being wishy washy on LT, HTS and fido but I kinda lean towards town on them. Wave I'm still guessing is town. TickTock and tube I'm back and forth on. I can see them going either way. I'd guess they're town but I'll figure it out later after some sleep. Woke up too early and am tired plus a bit sad that Koo lost. | ||
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On August 22 2015 04:48 KelsierSC wrote: please do, geript and fide have sucked all the fun out of this game for me. Please tell me more how I've sucked the fun out by trying to lynch mafia | ||
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On August 22 2015 05:23 Bill Murray wrote: if he does that though he has big balls He's a ginger of course he has big balls. Iddy biddy cock but huge as fuck balls  | ||
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On August 22 2015 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Weird, dude. Even for you. When in doubt I go for the joke. Sometimes it's a homer. Usually not. | ||
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On August 22 2015 07:23 ritoky wrote: i can't control my vote. the mod rolls my vote in rng and tells me who i have to vote for at the start of day phase. Bullshit. Your role has to do something else too. | ||
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This game has a guy who nuked someone for funsies This game has a guy who refuses to play but people didn't want to lynch instead of the person with the longest filter This game has 2 replacements who are currently still just as bad as the previous players This game has a claimed 3P Half the fucking game is playing trying to be fucking mafia. This game is cancer. Fuck this game | ||
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Like the basic rules of fucking mafia is that you always get to control your own vote. Like there are roles that can alter votes (stealing votes, doubling votes, vote rigging, pardoning etc). But even those are generally exceptionally bad form in themed games. On top of that we've seen 3 roles flip and they're all normal. There's no reason to expect super not normal roles. Bottom line ritoky is lying and should be lynched. | ||
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On August 22 2015 08:08 KelsierSC wrote: my role states i cant vote anyone who other people are voting so i believe his roile And what other powers does your role have? | ||
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Seriously. Ask yourself if you have a 'standard' role. Named vt, cop, medic, mason, get, banisher, RBer, PGO, etc. if you do and 3 flips do then odds are all the roles are standard or mostly standard. So bullshit. People defending said bullshit are liars or mafia. | ||
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On August 22 2015 07:53 geript wrote: This game has a guy who claims he has to vote randomly This game has a guy who nuked someone for funsies This game has a guy who refuses to play but people didn't want to lynch instead of the person with the longest filter This game has 2 replacements who are currently still just as bad as the previous players This game has a claimed 3P Half the fucking game is playing trying to be fucking mafia. This game is cancer. Fuck this game Basically these guys plus Rels plus Kelsier need to die. That's 8 people. So hurry up and get yourselves modkilled or something. | ||
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If we can kill 2 people, I think i want to kill some combination of Rels/Damdred/Chezinu... likely the last two first. | ||
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On August 24 2015 02:49 Rels wrote: @geript a read on tubesock ? He's dead. Couldn't care less. | ||
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On August 24 2015 02:56 Rels wrote: What happened to these guys: Can you expand on that: Wave was a jk iirc. Pretty sure he'd save me this game. Like 98%. There can't be 8 mafia in the game. | ||
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On August 24 2015 03:01 Rels wrote: So this is false ? It's like the only reason I'm not pushing hard for your lynch. Can you confirm this thought process? | ||
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You think Damdred is 3P right? So why do you believe anything he says? | ||
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Too much crazy shit in your filter. I'm obv town but you think a 3P saying I was an NK target last night confirms me? Bullshit. Hell I could probably just quote my big case on you. | ||
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No just thought LT had nuked him not you. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am going to vote for rels. I dont like the yamato lynch at all. I dont even know what else is happening. I couldnt get a network cable today and cant fucking get my desktop to work properly unril tomorrow so i just stop right not. I am basically sheeping geriot right now because i havent have time to read pretty much anything today. Geript i am pretty sure yamato is not scum. You are probably not scum bwcause the night kills make no sense. TBH, i'm the wrong person to sheep today. I have given zero fucks since last night and I really give zero fucks about this game in general. D1 really pissed me the fuck off plus between LCS finals and D&D I haven't really read today at all. | ||
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On August 24 2015 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: That post is fucking terrible. Are you all high? You have no clue how cancer this game is. | ||
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On August 24 2015 16:56 Rels wrote: @geript Can I have a answer to his now ? And will you answer this fucking question you dodged 3 fucking times ? He was nuked an I didn't expect him to live. | ||
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If tube is scum, I don't think I'd lynch LT. I mean maybe Wave died protecting Rayn or maybe Hts died watching him. Idk, but I'm thinking maybe Wave was having a good game and I should just sheep him. Idk, maybe you're town. Tbh don't really care what you are. Like me being demotivated you should think about because I've never been demotivated scum. Like the 2 reasons you're townreading me for are literally the most retarded ones. Like I didnt roll scum and I wanted to. I didn't get anyone I wanted of a huge list. D1 was a bunch of people being super toxic and not listening to any of my reads. Like the ruXxar lynch was really bad | ||
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On August 25 2015 04:42 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/3964297-0299694785-Austi.gif) Wait, so if chezinu has an anti-nuke, why wouldn't he save himself from the first one, until yamato fired one 2 minutes from the deadline? that's a good question | ||
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That is actually a good question. | ||
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There's like no way in hell that this list doesn't have at least 1 mafia on it. So that means: OWS, Rels, JJ, LT, TT, Fido. 20% isn't a bad start. Rels is maybe not mafia for the vote. | ||
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On August 25 2015 18:16 Chezinu wrote: Actually. Geript can you defend button pls? I think scum can't perform kill and defend button. I am not sure but it makes sense. Otherwise not go for mass button pressing N1? So all people that are defending button did not perform a NK. This game has a button? | ||
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Damdred. Talk t ome. | ||
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On August 25 2015 22:55 Fidei86 wrote: Ugh............. Okay. I was so happy about this game yesterday, but it is now really starting to get draining. Geript, why are you voting for Kelsier. JJ, what the hell are you on about. 4 cop roles super unlikely and me no trusty | ||
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On August 25 2015 23:39 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4554633/super-troopers-o.gif) Yeah I agree. I don't really see a situation where it makes sense to lynch KSC before LT. Even if he is lying about the check, its probably because they are scum buddies, rather than KSC taking a 1:1 trade to ensure a townie LT would get lynched, who was almost certainly getting killed today or tomorrow anyways. I'm pretty sure KSC is mafia here more often than town. | ||
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On August 26 2015 00:30 Damdred wrote: Hi geript I'm talking to you here! Also ksc is possible mafia ff is as well sadly U so smart. Make me think, hard. Make me think hard. | ||
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On August 26 2015 01:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I might nuke you for being bad instead tbh. Yah well I might have someone shoot you if you fire the nuke without my permission. Interesting note: said person has already flipped. | ||
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On August 26 2015 01:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I forgot how much I don't like geript. Goody. Well you're lucky I don't have the gun. | ||
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On August 26 2015 01:46 geript wrote: Yah well I might have someone shoot you if you fire the nuke without my permission. Interesting note: said person has already flipped. | ||
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On August 26 2015 03:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand how this works. Clarify pls? So cults/sk generally win solo and have to eliminate both mafia and town. So he'd be incentivized to kill mafia. As survivor, the quickest path to victory usually involves killing mafia. You only 'work with mafia' if they get really ahead. | ||
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On August 26 2015 04:52 ritoky wrote: ? HTS didn't do shit night 1, I RB'd her night 1. Ok. So we know they're lying. That's fine. It's pretty expected honestly. But we're essentially being told by one non-town party who the other non-town party is. It's hard to not see this as a gift. | ||
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On August 26 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote: Why are you not sure? Are you not given the name? HtS died that night and LT is a super odd watch imo. Plus the whole 7 views. Plus when I compared the speech used it didn't look too much like HtS. The last obv being completely subjective. | ||
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and Damdred N2. | ||
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On August 26 2015 05:10 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1387122/fake-moustache-o.gif) geript, can you ask hts a question that only she would know the answer to in order to confirm her identity? I can try but idk what to ask honestly | ||
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On August 26 2015 05:11 Rels wrote: You could ask what HTS means Idk what you mean. | ||
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On August 26 2015 05:14 Rels wrote: Outside of all ghostly consideration, I'm pretty sure lt is mafia. Made a case somewhere on why. Plus something like 20 hours ago he said he would be back in 10 and fucked off. Let's pretend it is mafia. Who's the biggest thread to mafia? Especially when they're down a few members? SK. Period. Mafia can get blamed with SK shit. SK is a 'waste' of mafia kp; SK often is protected (either 1-shot vest or blank immunity). Plus SK quite often kill mafia as much as town (even if not meaning to). Plus it's far more common for mafia to push 3P than anyone else. Like I don't care if it is mafia. Look at his voting. Look at the deaths. Look at the random shit he's claimed. None of it adds up. Plus wave thought Tube was mafia and LT town; he has good games. I think he had a good game this one. Like we can trust the dead at least a little. Plus, like this could literally save lives. It's quite likely that nk power drops if he's mafia vigi/SK. It's worth a shot. Better than anything else. | ||
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On August 26 2015 05:30 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-dog-jumping-shadow.gif) How long have you had access to this qt? Was this death qt initiated by you or did you randomly receive the qt as a night action? Is their writing style comparable to any other player in the game? Do the timestamps from the qt suggest a certain timezone that the player is awake? Have they posted any other information of interest? 1. Until start of N3. 2. Not initiated by me. 3. Not that I can tell. Kinda looks like they're trying to emulate HF the more I think about it, but I'm bad at guessing smurfs 4. 12-1 am suggests not euro and maybe not Asian. So stateside likely but doesn't specify anything. 5. Not so far. | ||
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On August 25 2015 07:36 KelsierSC wrote: i'm too pretty to kill my check was useless today so carry Also just saying this is a 100% great reason to lynch KSC. | ||
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On August 26 2015 06:10 KelsierSC wrote: explanations are meant to clarify things not make you look like an idiot. Do you deny visiting LT n1? | ||
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On August 26 2015 06:17 ritoky wrote: i think you got what i got in hearthstone mafia geript. Idk what you mean. | ||
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On August 26 2015 06:32 ritoky wrote: cuz the premise is bullshit and i know it? ksc very well could be mafia, but it isn't cuz of a made up check by someone geript doesn't even know who it is. Sure but look at the other points: 1. Looks like mafia streak Tina 2. Literally posted nothing of worth 3. "Fourth" cop role so far (ff, bm, hts) 4. Has a very different check than FF got (scum vs no result) 5. Works very differently than FF 6. Has voted for players who died during the night 7. Literally done jack shit all game long (btw, that track record this game is 3/3 for non-town) 8. Mystery person/people want him dead for 6 and 7 and claimed essentially he's lying/redcheck Like in coordination, that's a huge amount of circumstantial evidence to ignore. | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:12 Chezinu wrote: ritoky, I was not roleblocked last night. I did receive my check. Who was your check on and what was the result. | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:12 Lord Tolkien wrote: I'll get back to you on that. Reviewing all my old reads now that I have time to filterdive again. Reviewing. Town. So whoever has an "inconclusive" check was probably roleblocked and whoever has a red check is either lying or getting a framed check back. It's possible that I'm also unaware miller because my stated role was VT on D1. I will also not be shooting down nukes tonight. Unless it is directed at myself. The problem is FF is claiming 2 checks last night. One "no result" on you and a green check on me. Which makes it pretty hard for him to be roleblocked. | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:36 Lord Tolkien wrote: Oh right, I should probably mention that I checked Damdred N2 and he turned up 3P because upgrade. So you were a VT that upgraded to a nuke and a cop check? | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:47 Chezinu wrote: I will support this cause if someone anti-nukes the nuke coming at me. I'm just saying this much chaos is like your expertise. Who do you think we should lynch | ||
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On August 26 2015 09:50 Chezinu wrote: It depends what side I pick. I don't really care about my win con. In fact, I don't even remember what it is. Whoever saves me, be it town, mafia, or brown. I will support. Well I'll dangle the carrot. I may not be town Jesus, but I know a guy. Thing is though Chez, you gotta work in order to get paid know what I mean? | ||
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On August 26 2015 10:16 Breshke wrote: Wait until the people claim and I will explain You should out who has Nukes and stuff. | ||
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On August 26 2015 13:42 Tictock wrote: KSC helped start the wagon on Rayn last EoD, we are not lynching him today. His play while being total shit, has been the same today as it was the whole game. This is a fucking terrible reason to not vote for KSC. First off, if by "KSC helped start the wagon" you mean: On August 24 2015 06:55 KelsierSC wrote: i just changed my vote because rsoultin posted a vote count That's really fucking weak. Because that's literally the extent of his "helped start the wagon." BTW, prior to that KSC had been "sheeping" rayn's read on rels. Like it's important to note that KSC didn't even end his vote on rayn. He ended it on Shining who FYI died during the night. Also to note, his switch made it 5-5 which could've easily swung wagons either direction. So that whole thing you're posting is a bunch of crock. | ||
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On August 26 2015 14:14 Breshke wrote: I think we lynch LT and hope that his role explains something to happen with the checks and the obi nukes whoever seems to be lying. If it doesn't settle anything im kind of being a bitch about who i want to lynch. FF's claim feels shitier and that kinda makes me think he is townier? I feel like he could have come up with a better claim as mafia. So i would be more for killing KSC. Geript if you could keep chez alive for the rest of the game would you? If I could get a townread on Chez, absolutely. Like i get it. There's the voting thing in the back of my mind (re: LT voting on yamato). The not doing anything for the most part for two days. Plus I had an early scum read on him; and those reads tend to be more correct for me. But the thing is, when you have 2 players who are basically doing nothing, it literally takes nothing to bus. It's easy and buys you time. Plus, the ending votes make me think that maybe it's a scum vs 3p lynch, which makes me want to lynch 3p. IDK maybe I'm just bad this game, but I really struggle to see that I coudl be having that off of a game. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:22 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](https://33.media.tumblr.com/4666eb440abf58f652b67c35a0217748/tumblr_mv6lazLvEF1rl4j6ro1_500.gif) Can anyone think of anything that would link marv, HF, and FF together? Maybe we can figure out the remaining personalities that way. 2/3 were scum in one game, but that was as close as I got. Probably a long shot though. This is speculation but all 3 are known for their mafia game far more than their town game. FF is a bit of a meh, but I think he's got the hide in plain sight thing down as mafia. HF obvious. Lot of people forget that for the longest time Marv had only been lynched once as mafia (in an IML game iirc because he wanted to kill everyone). So Rsoultin maybe, Geript maybe, WaveofShadow likely. Otherwise idk. It's hard to think about who'd be mafia based on reputation. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:45 Breshke wrote: Isn't BH known for his mafia game? With that entire photo of boxes thing. Known for that game. But overall it's hard to judge. He's well known for his belief in RNG as town. Like I don't think of BH as better as mafia which was part of why I started to ignore looking at ritoky. The problem is with this whole line of thinking is that people are known for different things. Take me for example; I'm like X-2 as mafia with one loss being as traitor and hard town read and the other where Rayn got himself modkilled and I should've convinced palmer more of the N4 NKs or whatever. But I'm equally known for getting modkilled, being an asshole, solid but not busted strong as town. | ||
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On August 27 2015 23:51 Tictock wrote: So I just want to remind people about FF's claim. Votes (courtesy of Rels): + Show Spoiler + On August 27 2015 17:03 Rels wrote: Vote recaps colored with flips Day 1 final vote ruXxar (7): Breshke, Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, Tubesock (2): The Shining, Fidei86 (2): ritoky, ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar WaveofShadow (1): FecalFeast Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC Damdred (0): VayneAuthority (0): yamato77 (0): Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather Day 1 vote recap + Show Spoiler + ritoky voted for fidei86 geript voted for ritoky Fecalfeast voted for damdred Damdred voted for fecalfeast Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for judgejudy Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for damdred Chezinu voted for ritoky Chezinu unvoted ruXxar voted for damdred Chezinu unvoted Chezinu voted for damdred Tubesock voted for Fidei86 Breshke voted for ruXxar Half the Sky voted for ruXxar The Shining voted for Fidei86 Rels voted for ruXxar ObiWanShinobi voted for ruXxar ruXxar unvoted ruXxar voted for geript WaveofShadow voted for ruXxar Lord Tolkien voted for Vayne Authority Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for ruXxar Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for yamato77 ruXxar unvoted ruXxar voted for ObiWanShinobi The Shining unvoted The Shining voted for Tubesock JudgeJudy voted for WaveofShadow geript unvoted geript voted for chezinu Tictock voted for Fidei86 Rels unvoted Rels voted for Fidei86 Rels unvoted Rels voted for Tubesock Chezinu unvoted Chezinu voted for Tubesock JudgeJudy unvoted JudgeJudy voted for Chezinu Tubesock unvoted Tubesock voted for yamato77 ObiWanShinobi unvoted ObiWanShinobi voted for chezinu WaveofShadow unvoted WaveofShadow voted for Chezinu Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for Chezinu Tubesock unvoted Tubesock voted for Chezinu Fidei86 voted for Chezinu yamato77 voted for Chezinu KelsierSC voted for Half the Sky Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for kelsierSC Half the Sky unvoted Half the Sky voted for Tubesock WaveofShadow unvoted WaveofShadow voted for Tubesock Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for Tubesock ObiWanShinobi unvoted ObiWanShinobi voted for ruXxar Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for ruXxar Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for damdred KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for damdred Damdred unvoted Damdred voted for ruXxar Half the Sky unvoted Half the Sky voted for ruXxar Chezinu unvoted Chezinu voted for ruXxar Rels unvoted Rels voted for ruXxar Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for chezinu KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for chezinu KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for Half the Sky Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for WaveofShadow Day 2 final vote raynpelikoneet (5): Rels (5): Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray, Chezinu (1): geript (1): Fecalfeast ritoky (0): The Shining (1): KelsierSC (0): Fidei86 (0): Day 2 vote recap + Show Spoiler + ritoky voted for Fecalfeast Bill Murray voted for Fecalfeast Tictock voted for Fecalfeast KelsierSC voted for Rels Fecalfeast voted for Rels Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Rels ObiWanShinobi voted for Yamato77 Chezinu voted for Rels Rels voted for Yamato77 geript voted for ritoky Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Chezinu Breshke voted for Chezinu JudgeJudy voted for Yamato77 Lord Tolkien voted for Yamato77 geript voted for Chezinu geript unvoted geript voted for Chezinu geript unvoted geript voted for Rels The Shining voted for Rels Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for KelsierSC KelsierSC unvoted KelsierSC voted for The Shining Fidei86 voted for Rels The Shining unvoted The Shining voted for Fidei86 raynpelikoneet voted for Rels Damdred voted for Fidei86 Lord Tolkien unvoted Lord Tolkien voted for Rels Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for raynpelikoneet Fidei86 unvoted Fidei86 voted for ritoky Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for Fidei86 Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Fidei86 Tictock unvoted Tictock voted for Yamato77 Fidei86 unvoted Fidei86 voted for Yamato77 Fidei86 unvoted Fidei86 voted for Yamato77 Fecalfeast unvoted Fecalfeast voted for geript 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But he forgets Damdred's claim that geript is effectively checked green as well, also this is where Chez's claim that he recieved a check back on a dead player becomes a conflict. At this point all of KSC's checks have been verified, but FF's doesn't make a lot of sense. For example, why check geript if you are doubting KSC? Now I'm not sure it makes him mafia exactly because this is a risky play for mafia and doesn't seem worth it, but I really question the suggestion that we should lynch KSC before FF has flipped. Yea Bre just explained why FF claiming all this doesn't make a lot of sense as Mafia. I personally still don't like the claim FF made and would nuke him over chez. I also have a bit of a tinfoil hat theory that makes me think nuking damdred is a good call. He's made good posts overall and helped lynch 2 mafia though, so I'm prob just being paranoid there. Much impressed | ||
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So what does your role do? | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:14 KelsierSC wrote: i checked a dead man Dats pretty bad | ||
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D1 QT w/ Wave D2 QT w/ yamato (mostly just bitching about the game) D3 QT w/Damdred (mostly because I thought people might be dying b/c of my QTs; sadly the trend didn't continue) D4 QT w/Chezinu because I can | ||
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On August 28 2015 08:48 ritoky wrote: geript did damdred say if fid was also 3p with him in your qt? from what he told me no, but idk what that's worth | ||
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On August 28 2015 09:59 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is geript still alive. Like really. I can't shake the idea. I imagine for that exact question. IDK, i'm not mafia. I don't control NKs. Like this is a really stupid question because there's no real way for me to answer it. Like, as "confirmed town" my vote track is pretty fucking terrible. I mean, if you think I'm mafia, then you pretty much have to say I'm godfather. Or like traitor maybe and didn't get converted pre-N2 when I was checked by FF. | ||
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That's really odd behavior for town. | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:15 Tictock wrote: Humm, I forgot Rit claimed RB, and said he RB'd Chez. Also a bit stange that mafia killed Bre over either Rit or KSC then since at the time they posed more of a threat. Also not true. There's like a 3% chance that KSC is just fucking retardedly acting town. So there's like a 3% chance we're both just town. | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:35 Tictock wrote: @Geript I think you quoted the wrong quote or summin The point of my post you quoted there was that both KSC and Rit had claimed roles that are potentially very bad news for Mafia, yet they elected to kill Bre. Breshke had nuked mafia correct? Plus he was universally townread. Like that's odd but not left field. Plus, so far we've seen LT, VA/RAYN aka mia, and tube aka mia. It's not impossible they either didn't believe, didn't trust or didn't care. Plus in my experience LT has made odd NKs before in irl mafia. | ||
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On August 29 2015 04:56 Tictock wrote: I don't exactly trust him either, but what makes you think the bolded? He seems to care about getting a bunch of votes super early. That makes me think some kind of prince of darkness power. Again. Claim exactly what your role is and exactly the actions you've taken. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:08 ritoky wrote: wasn't breshke also green checked by confirmed cop? Forgot about that. | ||
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Fidei86--??? geript--mason (wos, yam, damdy, chez) Damdred--3P semi-cult JudgeJudy-- ObiWanShinobi Ritoky--RB (hts, someone, damdred) Tictock--can summon armageddon) Chezinu KelsierSC--vig (shot me, ...) We need to fill out this list fully, period. My currently leanings are KSC: claimed to have shot me which is really fucking odd if he's town, has super odd voting record that he lied about, didn't tell the truth to save a real cop in FF. IMO that's 3 strikes. I'm sure there's more reasons, but I don't see a way we can get away from lynching him at some point preferrably today. Damdred: It's hard for me to believe that mafia would rolecheck a claimed 3P. Plus, it's pretty great cover as mafia. I think if Damdred would die, then fido maybe dies instead. IDK. Either way, what he was pushing in thread was different than what he was agreeing with/pushing in QT. Basically, I don't trust him. OWS: Looking for "permission" to use the nuke is pretty odd. Especially when he ends up using it on Chez who's like easy to nuke. JJ: Somewhat understandable nuke. But mostly afk. But decent voting record. Probably town. Rels: Being an annoying little shit. He's probably town but I really don't care. I will lynch him for it. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:35 Rels wrote: Wait a minute. Geript said he didn't vote ksc d3 only because of the Scooby doo qt. I asked him to expand. And geript explained why he voted him today! He didn't explain he voted ksc d3 like I asked Listen you little fuckwit. If you would like to read my filter and figure it out, then please do so. Otherwise, I literally will fucking get everyone to lynch you for being the fuckwit you are. I'm town. Get the fuck over it. Damdred's not town; he can say whatever the fuck he wants because his wincon is 100% different from mine. But pull your iddy biddy head out of your gaping asshole or get you will get rekt'd. | ||
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On August 29 2015 05:37 Rels wrote: Geript you still haven't answered my question. Why is my case shit ? Why did you say you didn't know damdred role when in fact you did ? Why did you vote ksc d3 since the Scooby doo qt was fake ? 1. Because your mouth doubles as your asshole. 2. role=/=wincon; even then, I can't be sure what his wincon is 3. read filter | ||
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Like when you look back, KSC's done exceptionally anti-town shit with his fake claim and late rescind. Like there's literally zero reason as town to hold onto that shit for that long. Even if you disagree with my scooby doo qt shit, it served a purpose to focus the lynch where I wanted it. Hell. I could have dragged it out to get Damdred lynched if I really wanted that because LT's flip gave me enough room to play it off at least a bit. But that's not what I did. I tried to use fake shit to help push who I was pushing. Not as a sole point against them. KSC, used his shit exceptionally differently. That's why KSC should die today. He's the largest obvious scum motivated player left around. | ||
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On August 30 2015 00:54 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s98/88HAWK/GIFFs/IHaveaQuestion.gif) Explanation? Are you saying Rels is fake claiming as town to get chez lynched or fake claiming as mafia to save ritoky? And why? You also keep showing up to explain why chez is town, but really haven't said why. Rels is 100% fake claiming. It's a mocsta claim imo. | ||
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N1. HTS (saw ritoky) N2 JJ (saw no one) N3 Rels (rb'd) IDK what use this really does for us. Ritoky looks more sketch due to the N3, but I don't think that's 100%. | ||
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On August 30 2015 01:00 Fidei86 wrote: @geript yeah, you're gonna have to explain that a little further. It's just a feeling. Like I've seen shit like this before. | ||
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I don't even remember all your claims. | ||
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The thing that kinda bugs me is that fido claimed no visit to JJ n2. | ||
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On August 30 2015 15:49 Tictock wrote: It's true the last 2 Days have basically been a solo wagon so it's not like there's a ton of town cred for being on those lynches Still, geript how does it feel to be on the wrong wagon every day? meh. shit happens. Technically, I wasn't wrong every day and I was one of the few to try and lynch scum on D1, but eh. | ||
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pretty universally town read, hasn't really said much about his role iirc early on. No roleblock or rolecop check just feels a bit odd ot me. | ||
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On August 31 2015 01:57 Damdred wrote: Also it's sorta impossible for rit to fake rb chez since rit is claiming to shoot yamato also so not sure there. Also a good point. | ||
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Otherwise, I kinda think that Damdred's big post a bit ago looked pretty good. | ||
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On August 31 2015 05:23 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'd be flattered if I ate a nightkill but I'm going to be stuck in this slog basically forever. yah, well, join the crowd. at least you don't have to deal with the "Why are you who's been townread by like everyone and greenchecked still alive?" | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:42 Fidei86 wrote: Hey KSC - thanks for the throw, we really appreciate it. Not. I'm still waiting for my check from the mods atm, will post as soon as I get it. I watched TT because I thought there was a decent chance the Mafia would avoid Rels, as he was so obviously town. So yeah ... I probably won't get anything. Why in the fuck would you watch TT? | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:12 KelsierSC wrote: yeh you're all fucking retarded xoxo 1. You shot me. 2. You claimed checks you didn't have 3. You got a real cop killed with you're checks. Please continue to explain how I'm shit. At least you played as mind numbingly stupid as your role. Of course that just means you played better than usual. Gtfo | ||
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On August 31 2015 07:51 Fidei86 wrote: I thought he was/is second towniest and I thought that Mafia would avoid Rels as he was an obvious medic save / watcher target. Obviously I was wrong. Still waiting for my result. I'm going to be gentle and use lube. I expect that you'd be claiming rb regardless. But people need to learn to not wifom shit. There's literally zero reason to wifom this. He is town. He was likely to be suspected as a cop. Just watch him to find out if you fucking track NKs or not. I don't get it. Like it's literally the most brainless auto correct action ever. | ||
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On August 31 2015 08:06 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/51b53881eab8ea535c00001f/lebron-splittle-block-gif.gif) Can everyone confirm that they didn't receive a mason with geript? Just want to make sure we don't need to worry about a scenario where ritoky was roleblocked, preventing his roleblock from going through. I haven't sent out my QT yet. Was preparing for my D&D game tonight. IDK who i want to qt with. | ||
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On August 31 2015 12:56 Damdred wrote: Geript qt with me so we can see if you were rb? Though why was it not a night action... It's never been a night action. Just usually I asked the host to learn who died so I can have it from the start of day. But I was busy prepping for my 5e game on sundays. | ||
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On August 29 2015 22:26 Rels wrote: Alright I ll claim before the nuke is launched on someone I don't like. I'm a cop. My check: N1 Damdred: 3p N2 ritoky: green N3 Chezinu: red Now my N2 check could have been framed, tune was still alive during N2. But that's why I would prefer to nuke ksc instead of ritoky + ritoky wasting 1 nuke 1 anti nuke of he is mafia. ok. So for right now, I'm pretty impressed that Rels correctly guessed 3 people. Maybe he only guess damdred right and got his upgrade but whatever. Granted 1 was damdred and I can't remember who I had guessed for them but eh. I'd seriously doubt 2 GF abilities. So I don't think ritoky is mafia. And while it's possible Damdred is a 3p covered mafia, I find it pretty unlikely. Fidei86 geript Damdred JudgeJudy ObiWanShinobi ritoky Tictock So I'm guessing it's 1 mafia and 1-2 3P, kinda depends. Ritoky greencheck makes him 99% town. Damdred is essentially 3p. My greencheck makes me 99% town. That basically leaves us Fido, OWS, Ticktock and JJ. Right now idk. I don't remember what exactly OWS/TT/JJ have claimed their roles to do. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:04 Damdred wrote: Who did you mason yesterday? Chez | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:06 Damdred wrote: Ows steals abilities of people who visit him I'll think I'll QT with him to see if he steals my mason ability. It's at least a decent idea. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:11 Damdred wrote: What scares me is if geript is scum rb and the mason qt was his upgrade as I don't think another one besides mine has been confirmed by both parties To be fair, I'd have to like be with Fido and RB ritoky and one of us kill. In the least, I'd have a better fucking plan than have fido claim to watch TT. | ||
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On August 31 2015 13:13 geript wrote: I'll think I'll QT with him to see if he steals my mason ability. It's at least a decent idea. Damdred/ritoky please comment ont his idea. It's kinda a cop check I think. | ||
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On August 21 2015 06:54 rsoultin wrote: Day 1 Final Votecount Chezinu (5): geript, JudgeJudy, ruXxar (7): Breshke, Tubesock (2): The Shining, Fidei86 (2): ritoky, Damdred (0): ObiWanShinobi (1): ruXxar Half the Sky (1): KelsierSC WaveofShadow (1): Fecalfeast Not Voting (2): VayneAuthority, Beneather On August 24 2015 07:09 Onegu wrote: Day 2 Votecount Fecalfeast (2): ritoky, Bill Murray, Rels (5): Yamato77 (3): ObiWanShinobi, ritoky (0): Chezinu (1): KelsierSC (0): The Shining (1): Fidei86 (0): raynpelikoneet (5): geript (1): Fecalfeast On August 27 2015 06:46 rsoultin wrote: Day 3 Final Votecount Lord Tolkien (8): Rels, Fidei86, JudgeJudy, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, Tictock, Damdred, ritoky KelsierSC (3): geript, Fecalfeast, Chezinu Damdred (1): KelsierSC Not Voting (1): Lord Tolkien On August 30 2015 06:32 rsoultin wrote: Day 4 Final Votecount Chezinu (8): Rels, JudgeJudy, KelsierSC (2): geript, ritoky (0): Looking at the votes, the most notable IMO is TT's d1 vote. For playing as well as he has, he ended up throwing away his vote on a random person. That's kinda incongruous with the rest of his play. | ||
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Looking back. I both love and hate the JJ case on ritoky. The best point overall 100% is the upgrade thing. | ||
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Greencheck. How I've played. Clear thought process. Despite a 'bad' voting record; I've been wrong for good reasons (except maybe chez; but he was begging me to vote him in at idk why and acting a bit more TSM chez there). This just isn't my scum play. Re: mason. I mason people during the day phase. I just knew on D1 I wanted to be masoned with Wave. After that I wanted to start the day masoned to people to get the most use of said shitty role. Plus, I wasn't sure how long the hosts would stick around so I figured I'd save a bit of trouble/bookkeeping by getting it done in that window. So I'd try to be around to get the night deaths so I could send them who I wanted to QT with. But really that only affected the Yamato choice. I think I sent in the Damdred/chez ones without asking during the hour window but I'm too lazy to double check that. It's just pretty straight forward mason except that I choose mason at start of day. | ||
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On August 31 2015 16:51 Tictock wrote: Eh, I think at least one of you is confirmed. It is true that you both have green checks from confirmed cops, however there is that slim chance of framer action. Interestingly though, both of you were checked N2, so at least one of those checks is pure (no chance of meddling). Here he looks at the greenchecks from a mechanical standpoint. Basically, to believe we're both mafia, you have to assume that there are 2 GF roles and the other of us got framed. Double GF + Framer is a really odd setup. Considering we've had double watcher (which is less useful in an all blue setup), cop and stronger parity cop (in effect). There's also the possibility that KP is factional (not delivered) and watchers can't "find" mafia; it'd be a little odd but it makes a bit of sense. But the thing that bugs me about his recognizing that at least one of our checks are pure is one simple step. If Ritoky is town, then odds of him lying about RB on me last night is 0% (or close); which means that (unless KP is factional which no one seems to be assuming) I can't be mafia if ritoky is town. So he's headed to this odd thought process of trying to figure out which of Ritoky and I are mafia, when there's a really obvious answer. Either we both are mafia OR ritoky is mafia OR we both are town. I'm also a bit bugged by when I looked at his last 3 pages of filter, there's surprisingly little said in it in general. Of course, similar can be said about JJ who's only now decided to come back to do something. For right now, I'd like to trust my early game reads more and think JJ is town. | ||
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On September 02 2015 00:06 Damdred wrote: Also we know that geript didn't claim his power was a day time power until today I believe so that's difficult. But ritoky isn't lying there I think Not true. I've referred to choosing to mason with Wave. Which was D1 which would require me to be a day mason. Additionally, if you were paying attention in our QT, I told you I was a day mason. It's m19 btw where I was thinking that maybe people who were masoned with me were dying during the night; which I can't know if I'm not a day mason. | ||
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JJ you could be right on TT; and maybe even right on ritoky. A point in your favor there is that ritoky's RB choices are pretty goddamn awful (HTS, Chez, Me, Damdred). It's just that I don't think that JJ is as set in stone town as you think he is. There's a variety of things that are decent hints that he's mafia. The meta points are by no means rock solid and I haven't sold them as such, but overall I don't think they favor him. Players don't improve that vastly over a handful of games when the improvement in the newbie games was relatively slow. That's a really important point. | ||
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On September 02 2015 04:19 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Joey-Crawford-Block-Call-Dance-Lakers-Pacers.gif) That point is really important though. As a town roleblocker, you've got an incredibly powerful role, you're essentially a cop plus a medic because you can block the mafia kp and then when the kp never shows up, you can lynch the guy you blocked. He is roleblocking the towny HTS, the claimed survivor who almost certainly isn't carrying out the mafia kp, and yourself, the guy who already has a green check on him. Like the only good claimed rb was chez. He thought you of all people was the guy most likely to carry out the mafia kp last night? All today he attacks me for arguing against the "99%" confirmed town, yet here he is roleblocking another "99%" confirmed town to try to stop the mafia kp. There is a reason he has to do this though. He already claimed rb so he has to claim targeting someone, yet he can't block someone like me, obi or TT because that would mean his lynch pool is reduced by one each time he confirms another player. Doesn't this make sense to you? It's not a point I've forgotten, but I don't think it's right to lynch him today. Like there's a greater than 0% chance that he's town. In the least the greencheck affords him a 25% chance of being town at worst. Plus, it's not like mafia aren't essentially forced to NK him if the RB can hit them. Right now I think there's 7 people. He can't RB me, or Fido, or Damdred. That leaves him 3 people he can claim an rb on. Like he's only got a win condition if he has a partner still alive. If he's mafia, we can only lose if Damdred isn't a survivor. Strategically, he's just a very bad lynch today and maybe tomorrow too. | ||
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On September 01 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote: Day 5 Votecount ritoky (3): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock Not Voting (4): geript, Damdred, ObiWanShinobi, ritoky On September 02 2015 07:02 Onegu wrote: [/b]Day 5 Final Votecount ritoky (5): JudgeJudy, Fidei86, Tictock, Tictock, ritoky Tictock (3): ObiWanShinobi, geript, Damdred A few things to note: Ritoky's vote was moved. Additionally, Tictock got 2 votes. So Tictock likely steals votes from people he's RB'd. Basically, TT decided to swing the vote onto a confirmed person instead of an unconfirmed person. The point I was making to JJ that both people ignored was that even if ritoky is mafia he has zero endgame unless he has a partner. There is and was exceptionally little reason to lynch ritoky then. Later on it's possible, but mafia obviously needed to lynch a confirmed to prevent the PoE. So basically, lynch TT; if that doesn't end the game lynch JJ. | ||
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On September 02 2015 12:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It only takes place the night after. It won't stop whatever it is he can do tonight. Are we just using it to stop him from using day powers again or are we going to confirm people outside of him in case of extra mafia? I don't think it would stop the NK. Even if it did stop the RB for one night, it kinda doesn't matter as odd as that is to say. I just doesn't see why matters. The only reason to target JJ is to maybe prevent his bombs from going off. | ||
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On September 02 2015 13:35 Tictock wrote: [/b]You weren't very vocal about that point on Rit yesturday, and the same can be said about me right? I have no endgame here as scum without a partner, but you dont think about that. I explained how my vote manipulation works, its not at all this load of crock. I also fail to see how Obi's power will confirm anyone going into next phase, so I don't get the discussion around that. Regardless of whether or not you have a partner, you 100% use your power there as mafia. If you're town, you should've realized that. For "being able to be around lynch" you sure didn't seem to care about any of the arguments "confirmed town geript" made. You don't get to fault me for you not paying attention to them. There's a reason why I said the lynch should 100% be between YOU and JJ at idk the start of the day. I didn't mind discussion on ritoky and it's my fault that people for assuming that people were smart enough to recognize the two obvious factors: 1 he and are were essentially confirmed already (a point I made a few times and damdred made a few times). 2. it's a poor strategic choice to lynch even if he is mafia. So yah, you done fucked up. Now you die. There's literally zero reason to discuss that. | ||
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On September 02 2015 17:45 Fidei86 wrote: @geript Doesn't town TT use the power 100% as well? If he knows he's town and he *thinks* the other wagon is mafia, it is always the right play to fix the votes. Hell, even if he doesn't think ritoky is mafia, it's still the correct play, mechanically, from a town perspective. Since when am I faulting him for using his power? | ||
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Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see damdred dead because I want to know his role/wincon 100%. But that time has passed. The decision overall was to fucking lynch other people and nuke/shoot other people for 4-5 days now. You don't get to change your mind now. PERIOD!!!!! That shit is dumb. You made a decision to keep him around with the express plan of allowing him to get to LYLO. You don't get to say that well, if he's not a survivor we lose in lylo so we should lynch him. No fuck that. That's fucking stupid strategically. You either follow with your plan and read, etc of him being survivor or you lynch him days ago. Get the fuck out with that shit. You shitheads/mafia wanted to lynch ritoky A FUCKING GREENCHECK over him yesterday. I'm putting my foot down. No. I wasn't part of the "keep Damdred around" crowd, but I'm not going to let you fuck shit up even more. You're going to listen to me. You're going to lynch the fuck out of TicTock tomorrow. Period. | ||
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On September 03 2015 03:11 JudgeJudy wrote: ![[image loading]](https://media.giphy.com/media/3h5pe45FM9qUM/giphy.gif) You don't get to ride in on your high horse and order us around. We have all messed up at some point this game. You can share your opinion about who to lynch tomorrow, but I take offense to the name calling. I don't deserve that. Yes I do. Fuck it I do. I might not have been the best at reading the game, but you made a push against ritoky that (as a smurf) you obviously should've recognized was bad. It was pointed out why it was bad multiple times and you ignored it. There's a reason why the mechanically right play to make is often the obvious play. There's a reason why you should be lynched after TT. My votes this game weren't good; but my votes this game weren't bad either. Those ritoky votes were bad; they were obviously bad. And for 2 people who seem to have been able to recognize the difference this game be so incompetent when it regards something so simple is mind blowing. Had certain people not pushed a dumbass lynch, then we might have had auto. That kinda depends on how RB's interact with each other. In the least, we'd either have an extra lynch for Damdred or for 3/4ths unconfirmed. But no. | ||
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I was thinking about trying to fake claim a nuke or some kp. But it's not even believable. Especially after losing my mason. | ||
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So today, I didn't want to post that much or analyze and really sit back and see what TT did. He's made 8 posts. Most of which have little to no useful shit in them. I want to draw attention to a few specific things: On September 03 2015 17:39 Tictock wrote: I'm not sure if that's enough to convince me he's town though. On September 03 2015 18:03 Tictock wrote: Wish I had better reasons to townread Obi, then I could die happy today. Is this the sentiment of a townie who's about to get mislynched? "Oh I'm not sure about this" or "I wish I had better reasons for that." Fuck no. If he's town, and he 100% knows he's about to get mislynched, then he 100% knows that his opinions are going to matter. In the least, they'd matter to me. People will at least consider the points he's making, the things he's figured out for himself. Basically, his opinion becomes relevant. Instead, what we've seen from TT is a token show of effort. I've never seen that from town. You'll see either complete fuck off and giving up OR you'll see super try hard. This guy has repeatedly misrepresented why I've scumread him. He's completely misrepresented why he's obviously mafia for how he used his power; note it is not "because he used his power" I don't give a fuck about that. He's shown smart "pick ups" throughout the game yet now is completely thrown for a loop??? There's literally no way he flips town. Basically, I'm just here to remind everyone to fucking lynch him and get the shit over with. | ||
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On September 04 2015 23:51 Tictock wrote: Geript's reads are pure shit teir and he's not bothering to reconsider anything, but role-blah-blah-greencheck-blah-RB On September 04 2015 13:10 geript wrote: So today, I didn't want to post that much or analyze and really sit back and see what TT did. He's made 8 posts. Most of which have little to no useful shit in them. | ||
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On September 05 2015 07:48 WaveofShadow wrote: I blame geript. Sorry honeybunny I blame people being fucking stupid. I wanted to kill JJ and had thought that Nuke + ritoky bs made him likely scum. But then you have fucking retards following that shit. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:03 WaveofShadow wrote: No he didn't it was an autoloss. Geript you stopped trying like right after I died Y u do dat I got fucking rsoultin. Not any of the fucking people I actually wanted to roll. Not a single one. I get a fucking mason. WHich is like the most fucking useless headache of a fucking roll ever. I get in a game where the playerlist in general is fucking terrible and the D1 lynch was fucking toxic. I literally only played to avoid a fucking ban. Like, it's really fucking bullshit. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote: I told town look how Oneg does hi games with 3p ippo ended the same way. I even confirmed it but didn't want to get lynched Yah, well that's fucking bullshit. It's literally the dumbest thing ever. It's a really bad hosting practice because 3P can still fucking lose. | ||
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On September 05 2015 07:05 Onegu wrote: This was mylo there were no protective roles left. Once it was 1-1-1 3p was neutral and scums win con was to equal anti scum roles. If this is your scum wincon, then you need to fix the wincon or post that at the start of the game. Because that 100% changes how the game is played. Like that's really fucking awful. | ||
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On September 05 2015 07:28 kitaman27 wrote: Shout-out to chez for the very amusing traitor play. :D Where did the mason qt end up going? I kinda gave him a nudge here but we never made contact. I think the biggest clue should have been the FF nuke. FF the claimed cop is about to alignment check KSC the biggest lynch suspect and then I show up at the end of the night and shoot him out of the blue XD Yah, I thought about that. The problem was that the FF Nuke + the ritoky push is just as bad as the shit JJ did. Plus, I couldn't believe that a host would have as fucking terrible wincons as existed in this game. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:16 Tictock wrote: Yep, but there was no way I was mafia for it. Tunnel was all you man. You (actually we) shoulda listened to Fidei in that last night phase. You still don't understand. You weren't getting mafia red for using the role. That wasn't the problem. It's a case of HOW you used the role. Because yes, there are times when as town, you should sack up and take a lynch. You should've tried to get OWS or JJ or Fido; any of the non-confirmed. Fuck listening to fido. That shit is irrelevant. In any normal game, we have time to lynch both you and JJ. Hosts win cons are just super fucked up. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:28 rsoultin wrote: ... I wasn't going to say anything. But a couple points. 1. Getting lynched as town over someone you suspect is scum (which TT did as I recall?) or even someone you think is town when you have no way of knowing for sure is not actually the correct play. 2. TT was very unlikely to be mafia RB with the vote powers. That was ignored by town. 3. Certain members of the town were particularly obstinate and refused to reevaluate the game. It is at least as much the lynchers' fault as it was the lynchee's fault in this case, if not more. As a sidenote, while this game was as balanced as we could reasonably make it with all the role interactions and hidden surprises (minus the hiccups and I'm sure there are some I'm still not aware of), everyone entered the game knowing that it was 1) a personality game and 2) the balance was likely imperfect given the complexity. And, just as with any game, roles are RNGd. If you can't handle the fact that you may not get what you want when RNG is involved, perhaps you should play a different game. 1. In general true, but ritoky was literally like 99% confirmed town. So getting him lynched instead of TT there was 100% the wrong play. 2. Wrong. His vote powers can be one-shot. There's literally no way for town to know about that. 3. Sure, I didn't change my mind much. But I also solved the game. I knew it was JJ or TT and I figured it was TT. Had rogue wincons not been in play, then Damdred would've won and scum would've lost (reminder town couldn't win). | ||
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On September 05 2015 09:05 kitaman27 wrote: I really liked the upgrade mechanic too. It was interesting. I agree about this. It was well done in general, but it still pissed me off when I found out about it. | ||
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On September 05 2015 10:24 Damdred wrote: I really am for what its worth sorry for antagonizing fid and a few others when it came up to lynch me the last night we had. It was all fake the anger etc because I knew that it was the right play especially with the information oneg had given me about winning without going to true lylo. its unfortunate but after that night I had just decided to screw town I even told Tina I was just going to let mafia win. before the talk of lynching me came up I had even came up with a plan of sorts to get jj lynched over tt but yeah... I don't think you can say overall town played horribly Kita played great and had a survivor who scum aided at the end after town siding. It was a rough game. A couple townies half way threw the game. I think the biggest thing I can say to you tt is that if your going to keep yourself in the game at that point you have to bust your ass and ram down everyone's throats you are town. Like you had 100% jj and geript against you. You had me obi and yourself though that could of been convinced to end the game otherwise. So you played well up until the final day even up to the rit lynch wasn't horrible. I want to be clear. I was not 100% against TT. Like I can see scenarios where I lynch JJ there instead. The problem is that he came back looking really fucking scummy. Plus, I didn't think it mattered who we lynched first because there's like no chance that there's 2 mafia. Except host had really fucked up win cons which should never ever be used and I wasn't aware that such awful win cons existed. | ||
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On September 05 2015 10:24 Damdred wrote: It was all fake the anger etc because I knew that it was the right play especially with the information oneg had given me about winning without going to true lylo. Like this is a situation which 100% completely changes how everyone plays. It changes how survivor plays. It changes how mafia plays. It changes how town plays. If players are going to be told this, then it 100% needs to be posted in the OP and made clear to everyone. This is also the reason why I'll ignore Onegu games from now on. | ||
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On September 05 2015 12:19 kitaman27 wrote: As far as I know, "some people" is only damdred right? The mafia team wasn't aware that the survivor auto-sided with mafia either. I was fully expecting to have to go through an awkward 1v1v1 king maker scenario where I would need to convince damdred to lynch obi. Considering that mafia had only 1 kp past the first night, which could be roleblocked by the jailer or rber, along with 2 watchers and 3 cops, and several day vigs I don't think it's all that terrible to have the survivor work that way. Maybe the only difference would be to make that fact public, but the setup is closed so that's not really necessary. That only makes it worse. Mafia didn't receive their win con. 3P received mafia's win con. WTF??? That's even more fucked up. | ||
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You don't balance out roles by altering win conditions. I mean, think how you would feel if you auto lost because you went into 1-1-1 lylo but were auto lynched because host says so. That's really fucked up and that is essentially what is happening with this win con. You know. Fuck that. | ||
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On September 05 2015 12:55 Damdred wrote: I asked if like his other games if 3p auto won if it got to lylo with mafia if its win condition wasn't in competition with mafia kp. And I got my answer, I asked if mafia knew oneg said no. I dropped a hint in the thread then made up fake answers when town for curious. It stinks for town but yeah No it doesn't stink for town. It's complete bullshit. Hosts should not decide how the final lynch of the game goes. It's really, really fucked up and shouldn't ever happen. All it does is create feel bads. Put Onegu in OWS's place. They posted about as much and were as effective. But Onegu recently has actually gotten to lynch someone in lylo. It's a really fucking terrible policy to have as a host and he should change it. If he doesn't change it, then there's literally zero reason for anyone to play in his games because they can't count on regular win conditions or on the host not preemptively ending the game. In a closed setup, if he's going to answer that question for you, then he needs to post that in the thread. Because it gives an unfair advantage to you. It also pretty heavily favors scum in two different ways; first, it makes it far more favorable to just lynch 3P regardless of what they claim (preventing scum lynches) and second it means they gain an extra player or two near ANY lylo. It's really terrible and should never ever be used. Additionally, people should know what their win conditions are in the least. | ||
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On September 05 2015 13:04 kitaman27 wrote: Personally I think the survivor role would be more interesting if it always worked by auto siding with mafia at lylo. At least that way there is more incentive for them to hide their identity. Typically survivors just claim day 1, never get shot or lynched because it is so uncommon for mafia to make that play, and then win at endgame. When survivors are completely neutral at lylo you have this weird situation where the survivor doesn't really care who gets lynched, yet determines the outcome of the game based on whoever they decide to favor. I'm fine with survivor roles working that way as long as it's clear that they work that way. It makes playing survivor tougher. As an idea of always "mafia siding," I'm fine with that. But you can't have town not know about that situation so they can are unable to make informed decisions. For example, if town knew that then 100% there's far more pressure to nuke/lynch Damdred regardless of the 3p checks. The other problem I have with this is that you should've had to send in a NK. Because while it's 1-1-1 if you shoot town, you still have the option to shoot Damdred and cause hella trouble. | ||
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People should never be unclear about their win conditions. If Onegu were playing the game (in your slot) and you hosting, he'd have the feel bads too because the last lynches were set. Onegu has been in idk 2-3 lylos recently; but he's gotten to lycnh people in said lylos. This one not so much. 1-1-3 isn't lylo and shouldn't be unless players are aware of that fact. Basically, if you run a game with non-standard roles, players should be informed about that. If you run a game with non-standard alignments, players should be informed about that. If you run a game with alignment altering roles, players should be informed about that. If you run a game with non-standard win conditions, players should be informed about that. Jester existing is a bit surprising but is kinda meh because you know it's themed and more likely to have non-standard 3P roles. You can bitch about balance being off a little but because it's themed it's kinda a given going in that one side or another will be heavily favored. But when you spring other major changes (like alignment altering roles or altered win-conditions), that's something people need to know going into the game so they can choose whether the game is right for them to join or not. | ||
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On September 05 2015 13:19 kitaman27 wrote: It's a closed setup. Of course the survivor can work that way without informing everyone. I agree that each faction should be aware of their own win condition, but in a closed setup it is not necessary for town to be aware of every win condition. Here is slam's role from Apeture 4, which you co-hosted: Town doesn't know his win condition so they are unable to make an informed decision, but it was completely acceptable because it's a themed game with a closed setup. As for the shot, I posted my intentions to shoot you in the mafia QT, but I see your point. On March 23 2015 05:44 GreYMisT wrote: Alignments The following Will exist in the game: Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town Mafia: Objective - Outnumber the town and no third parties with competing win conditions remain. KP for Mafia is #Mafia/2 rounded up. The number of Mafia is unknown. The Mafia Do not require members to carry out KP. Other factions might exist. Their win condition(s) is/are unknown There's a major difference though. The OP specifically states that 3P can have a variety of odd win conditions and that Mafia's win condition is clear. Like I'm not bitching about the fact that game ended due to likely 1-1-1 situation; I'm bitching about the fact that that fact is something everyone should've been aware of ahead of time. It's completely normal to expect that when you see normal roles (albeit with twists but still in general normal) and normal 3P, to expect normal win conditions. This game used a different win condition from normal. That's what's unacceptable. | ||
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On September 05 2015 14:17 Onegu wrote: Ok here goes. I made the survivor that way because of setup. With only 4 mafia and 1 traitor. Mafia weren't aware that there was a traitor. Mafia weren't aware that Survivor would side with them also. Survivor, Traitor, and Jester were not allowed to claim. Without this the setup was really town favored. I can see why you don't like it. And maybe I should have posted Scum and Town wincons. I made it 6 scum but only 4 could carry KP. Also scum didnt have a ton of KP. They had 2 KP the first night. One scum started with 1 nuke. And one scum PGO. The other nukes were RNG to people. If Survivor wasn't allowed to claim, then why wasn't Damdred modkilled for claiming survivor like 80 times? | ||
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On September 05 2015 16:05 rsoultin wrote: While I'm paying attention to all of your complaints, geript, they're venturing into the realm of my no longer being able to determine what the purpose is. Please keep your comments constructive. (I did double-check Damdred's role to verify that it was in his role pm that he couldn't claim. It was. Whether or not that made it into the actual pm that was sent I can't verify. Nevertheless, mistakes aside, I fail to see what complaining about it now accomplishes?) The fact of the matter is that Onegu is known for treating 3p roles this way. And you knew from the start that this was a closed setup. I'm sure he's aware that you don't agree with how he balances 3p survivors. It's probably time to move on. One of these days i just need to write a thing about how to properly host. I hate losing, but nothing is worse than when there are specific things that hosts do that ruin a game. I mean, I don't think it's anything but common sense on how to run a game yet there's a history of people making pretty major mistakes as host. I'd just like to see people actually learn from their mistakes. For themed games, it's definitely much tougher because balancing is exceptionally hard. TBH, I don't claim to be the best host ever. My mini PYP was horrifically balanced. In one of my first games as host, I forgot to set an alarm for a deadline and overslept it (was exhausted from school/work). But the basic rules of hosting a really simple: 1. Keep your OP updated with who's alive/dead, filters, flips and important posts. 2. Make sure that your rules are clear. In themed games this may mean that you just need to note that rules may be abnormal. 3. Don't be afraid to modkill people. In general, it's better to err on the side of modkilling than not. 4. Be around (or have your cohost around) to be there for flips/etc. 5. Any non-standard stuff (roles, rules, alignment, wincons) should be noted in OP. 6. Don't interact with players/ limit interaction with players. Mod confirming is a real thing. | ||
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On September 06 2015 01:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript do you wanna host xfire with me? maybe, I've got a few job interviews coming up so idk when my free time will be | ||
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On September 06 2015 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: now my problem is i cannot host because i have not hosted here, i don't really need a "co-host" (though it would be a help anyways). So basically i don't even care if you do aything at all. i can handle the hosting myself, i just am not allowed to host, which is dumb. Sure | ||
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