EPTOn August 14 2015 15:24 ruXxar wrote:
You better answer this real quick or im lunching you today chez.
It's not terribly hard to understand. In fact, it's all on this page.You better answer this real quick or im lunching you today chez.
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On August 14 2015 15:24 Trfel wrote: Er, last page XDIt's not terribly hard to understand. In fact, it's all on this page. + Show Spoiler + The answer is no, fyi | ||
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Chezinu, have you heard of a tunnel before? | ||
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On August 15 2015 08:48 ruXxar wrote: And why does this make him mafia?Chez is mafia. It's undeiniable. I gave him the chance to clear himself bny giving me names of his 2 scumreads. Unfortunately such things above chezinu, I know, and rayn knows that chezini is mafia. Anyone else disagreeing is goin to have to prove why they're right, Sorry chez but I gave you the chance to claim yoursself as the one try town guy, You didn't take the chance, and now it's too late I still need to read his filter, but of all the reasons to scumread Chezinu, this seems like the worst one... | ||
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On August 15 2015 14:49 Trfel wrote: Bleh, never mind about this, on second thought it's entirely within Chezinu's character as mafia And why does this make him mafia? I still need to read his filter, but of all the reasons to scumread Chezinu, this seems like the worst one...  ##vote Chezinu | ||
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If anyone wants to chat, let me know (in the thread or in Battle.net). | ||
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On August 15 2015 19:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Please explain.Like this is the post i am talking about. There is so much wrong in this post. The difference between deconduo and Hopeless1der for me on Day 1 is that I've played with Hopeless1der before. I haven't played with deconduo before. The fact that deconduo has a ton of experience playing mafia suggests that he actually enjoys it, meaning that it's very likely that he enjoys actually working with people and solving the game. Deconduo seemed to be fairly active (aside from the late start) and trying to be helpful. The fact that, despite this, he didn't bother to try and work with people or change his reads based on what people shared, is extremely suspicious. As to raynpelikoneet's other point, I have terrible memory, which is why I generally spend way too much time playing mafia and constantly rereading everything. You can clearly see this in my better towngames. However, since I'm home for the summer, I have much less time to play mafia because my family always comes first. I can't remember everything. Raynpelikoneet, I think we have a different definition of "scumread". On August 16 2015 02:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is simply nonsense.Like I said, I think it holds some water and makes it less likely for him to be mafia, but Rayn's case is good enough to easily overcome that. Especially the part about Trfel 'forgetting'/downgrading his scumread on RuXx in his reads post when he'd been on him before is damning. I don't think town Trfel acts like that. On August 16 2015 02:34 Damdred wrote: Yes, you can tell this from my grand total of TWO scum games (one of them half a year ago).I still think rayn is town, just tinfoil. So don't get offended rayn and start pouting. And Trfel scum game is a bit different then what you are used to Rux... its hit and miss honestly if its great trfel scum or bad scum trfel. But it is what it is, I kinda prefer a prp lynch now that I think about it though. I'm not used to seeing such ridiculous statements from Damdred. | ||
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The fact that his play has changed so heavily between Day 1 and Day 2, but without much meaningful contribution, and the way he completely dropped his push on me for no actual reason are very telling. | ||
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On August 16 2015 03:51 Damdred wrote: So where did your stance on my scum play come from, then? And I don't always think you are ridiculous or scum, there was only one game where I scumread you for being below my expectations for you; that game taught me better.I thought you had more than two scum games idk I didn't check your profile. And stop lying you always think i'm ridiculous or scum. IDK if it is a real change for chez though this is just how he is when he plays. Please explain to me how it's normal for Chezinu to adopt his play to be more active at the request/suspicion of others, but not care about dying enough to provide actual reads or actually work with people. | ||
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Don't really have time to explain it now, but some of his reads really don't make sense to me, and he doesn't care to explain them. He seems to go back and forth between sheeping and pushing his own ideas in a suspicious way. Furthermore, the way he treated his "reads spreadsheets" over the course of the game feels inconsistent, pointless, and suspicious. And it's hard for me to see his vote switch onto me coming from town. Take a look at his filter. | ||
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On August 16 2015 04:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wait, weren't you the person with the townread on prplhz earlier? I actually really liked that read (though I guess I really ought to go check if it's true).##Unvote ##Vote Prplhz Are you trying to get lynched? Prplhz, please explain why you voted for me. | ||
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On August 16 2015 04:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I guess you're right, that read has some problems. I should have seen them earlier.Yes, but it was connected to Chez being scum (which I had him on due to PoE). It'd be a much weaker connection if his scum partner was someone that's doing well. I still think there's good arguments for him to be town but there's better arguments for him to be scum. Someone tell me why mafia!prplhz would be inactive and suddenly come in, make a useless comment and then vanish? I get why it's not towny, but it feels like a really stupid thing for mafia to do. Though that's sort of into WIFOM territory... | ||
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The way that he moved his suspicions away from Hopeless1der and onto deconduo is suspicious by itself, but then he suggested a non-Hopeless1der storm vote (Palmar) and afk'd basically as soon as Hopeless1der flipped mafia. If he were mafia here, the Hopeless1der flip basically gives him away and I can definitely see him losing his motivation to play. I don't know why he would come back, make one post, and leave, but that doesn't really indicate that he is town as much as it indicates that he just doesn't care (regardless of alignment), which fits the scumread. ##vote prplhz | ||
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Of course prplhz didn't press the idea of a non-Hopeless1der storm vote, of course he didn't seriously push it, and of course doing so doesn't incriminate him. The fact that prplhz didn't lynch Hopeless1der on Day 1 and seemed contradictory about that doesn't necessarily mean that he is scum, though it does look bad. However, from a mafia perspective, these things feel far, far worse than they look from a town perspective. I would expect prplhz to feel far worse than he looks to us, and this is likely to cause him to give up and afk. And the only post he's made this entire phase that can possibly be seen as doing something was made about one minute ago. Chezinu and prplhz both look pretty bad to me, Artanis is possibly mafia if either of the other two are town. | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why isn't he mafia?i am telling you all right now that prplhz will not flip mafia. so do what you must. he will not flip mafia. | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Your argument was flawed. I liked it initially, but it's possible that prplhz simply had a little more motivation than expected, or that he's mafia with someone else (like you). They both seem scummy, and I don't see much reason to think that they aren't scum together.So you liked my argument for Chez and Prpl not being scum together. Then you think they're both scum. Then you think in the case of one of them not being scum, I'm scum. What? | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The argument made more sense at the time, when prplhz was putting in that effort. That was very plausible and the most believable explanation.I can't imagine that you wouldn't have thought of the argument of prplhz simply having a bit more motivation than expected as you read the argument unless you were not using any critical thinking whatsoever. Due to the effort dropping off, it makes more sense that he simply had more motivation and then lost it when Hopeless1der flipped. This makes much more sense considering how much he tied himself to Hopeless1der and how useless/not present he's been today. | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:20 ruXxar wrote: So you think chezinu, with fully being able to choose a train with no repercussions, chose to bus his teammate instead of voting for you? If prpl is mafia I don't see how chezinu can be if he keeps his vote on prpl. On August 16 2015 05:02 geript wrote: [/s][/s]Here's the vote count right before he switched. This looks strongly like prplhz will be lynched, thus if both prplhz and Chezinu are mafia I would expect Chezinu to bus here (it's not like he has much thread presence to work with).Vote Count Chezinu (1): Trfel (3): raynpelikoneet, prplhz, rsoultin (0): Artanis[Xp] prplhz (4): Damdred, Artanis[Xp], ruXxar, Trfel Not Voting (2): Chezinu, Vivax Currently prplhz is set to be lynched. Day 2 ends on August 16 02:00 GMT (+00:00) in He hasn't posted in the past three hours. I don't see your point. I need to leave, I doubt I will be back for the lynch. In case I die, look into prplhz, Chezinu, and Artanis. | ||
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On August 16 2015 09:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And why not prod and see?You have been similarily useless/not present today though. Also, I don't think there was ever a chance Hopeless wasn't getting stormed last night and I'm pretty sure prplhz knew that so I don't really buy that as an explanation. And I have been helpful, I've been providing reads and narrowing down my options. I'm sorry I wasn't there for much of Night 1 and early Day 2, and I didn't feel like repeating things that were already said. It also hurts that I was online for most times that no one else was there; there was no one to talk with, discuss with, or work with. So I have been making my reads largely on my own. | ||
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