Desert Center Mini Mafia - Page 11

On August 07 2015 10:58 yamato77 wrote:
My Thoughts on Mountainous Setups

In another time, my best contributions in any given game were my analyses of the setup and the best way to play such a setup. Many of these posts went ignored. This one probably will too, but hey, I feel like writing it.

Mountainous setups present a unique challenge for town. Unlike many other setups, town has no roles to fall back on should they play horribly. Therefor, it is important every day to take the lynch as seriously as possible, using it in the best possible way to continue to figure out the game. How is this different from the typical mini mafia game, you ask? I'll be glad to answer.

In the average game, town wastes at least one lynch killing a player who has disrupted the game by being an idiot. In this game, this sort of lynch is really, really bad because the town gains little information, as these players are often town and often incredibly misguided in everything they are saying. It is imperative, then, that these ragey sort of player be kept at bay and summarily ignored if they go off the handle in a genuinely town way (*cough* rayn *cough*)

One advantage of this setup having no roles is that none of you noobs can claim like retards and fuck up the game! :D So at least in that regard, town has a safeguard against fucking itself over, hahaha.

I would expect mafia to be forced to be relatively active in a setup like this as being lurky and lazy is just going to make them too easy to single out. Outside of a particular meta-activity read on a player, I'd generally be wary to just go "lurker = scum" given that many town players are quite lost when they don't have informative roles and don't understand how to play D1.

I'll give my thoughts on the game by skimming for opening posts I find interesting, and looking at player interactions and reactions that feel forced or contrived.

On August 06 2015 23:29 iGrok wrote:
@Rels:

I play more mechanically than most people. I'm not going to be nice and cutesy, and I'm going to take the by-GOD truth and run with it. Let me very clearly explain my initial actions:

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I see that the setup is Mountainous (all-vanilla). This implies that Day 1 has absolutely no information to base any cases off of. In non-mountainous games, at least one townie has information that others don't - their power role.
This further implies that only Mafia have non-public information.

Together, these mean that mafia can be found by analyzing their actions between other people, comparing how they act to how people with 0 information would likely act.

In order for this strategy to work, all players need high activity, so that their interactions with each other can be analyzed.

This implies that lurking is actively anti-town Day 1.

This implies that pressuring lurkers is pro-town.

This implies that a Lynch-All-Lurkers policy (which iirc TLMafia desperately needs anyways) is pro-town.

A LAL policy will pressure lurkers into posting, or will eliminate them.

Town lurkers who are posting will do one of two things:
A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town.
B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad town play, and deserves a lynch.

Scum lurkers who are posting will do one or more of the following four things:
A) Come up with a read and reasoning, even if the reasoning is bad. This lets us establish relationships, and is good for town.
B) Sheep someone else's reads because they are lazy. This is bad scum play, and deserves a lynch.
C) Post fluff. Fluff is a post that contributes nothing to scumhunting/relationship building, or actively detracts from those.
D) Lie about their activities outside of the game. A townie has no reason to mislead town about their activity levels.

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Tina sheeped Ruxxar's reads, posted fluff, and lied about her activity. Does it sound stupid? Petty? Then you need to play better. This is why I'm still voting on Tina, and I will continue to as long as the remaining lurkers wake up and start posting like good townies.

There are other people who did some combination of things, but Tina was the biggest offender.

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Tina's probably 50% likely to be mafia, and that's the best possible read so far in the game. There isn't enough activity for good scumreads yet.

We have 3 mislynches this game. I'm more than happy to use one early to kill a null-read lurker over a weak scumread, but right now Tina's the scummiest read assuming all the lurkers start posting. We'll get more information from the scummy player than the null one, and maybe we'll even hit a scum lurker. Again, if that sounds stupid/scummy/anti-town, play better.

If anything, I've strayed too far from the Lynch-all-Lurkers plan because of Tina's reaction, and I need to go harder on the lurkers.