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Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town. And then my first weird feeling came from this post. On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote: Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny. | ||
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On July 24 2015 09:19 Breshke wrote: Barakos when you say you dislike rayn for the alibi post do you mean you just dislike it in general or you think it is scummy? Is ruxxor town breshke? Why did you set up such an easy softball type question for barakos. Give me some opinions | ||
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While I think its true he hasn't posted many reads at this juncture I think there are some fairly obvious things that are different this game than his other games as scum, while he claims he is trying to change meta every game all experienced players know no matter what habits are formed that you will always have difficulty breaking in the long term maybe the short term but not the long. He seems much to free and happy at this juncture to be scum for me. Moosey I need you to elaborate a bit please | ||
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I think the general thought that I haven't taken a stance is incorrect. At least three stances have been taken. 1) Ruxxor is toen 2) Disinformation is town 3) barakas is a scum lean because of his post that says almost nothing definite. 4) vague feelings about breshke that I'll wait to expand on. Besides that ruxxor is a tone read in his postings I can just believe. He usually gives his rsoultin/oprah impersonation when he's scum he hasn't caught on to that yet though. | ||
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On July 25 2015 00:46 Rels wrote: OK that makes sense. Waiting for his defense now. Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive | ||
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On July 25 2015 00:12 ruXxar wrote: First post. Suspicious because he used the same read on me last game when we were both mafia. "Ruxxar so carefree and speaks his mind" etc. Rest of his content is ok. This is a dumb thing. But it makes you more town | ||
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On July 25 2015 00:53 Rels wrote: No it was NocturneMage, who started to makes decent posts last page. It is super annoying that you are not reading this game closely. eh I thought you had a scum read on Barajas with me and voted him just a memory lapse. I'm undecided on moosey I don't like all his posting some fell like a deliberate attempt to pocket others etc. | ||
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On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred. This is a general pocket post, it happened shrug. I'm not sure how I encouraged you to vote him? | ||
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On July 25 2015 01:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: Lol yeah you're shit. You ask for my honest opinion of you then spurn it when you dislike what you hear. Give me more bias buddy. Please disillusion yourself more. As for your question, Breshke didn't give a clear line of reasoning behind his argument against you which I attempted to make him explain through pressuring. His defense was decent and if you look at the posts between us, it resembled your typical two townie shit fight. So I managed to glean a town read off of that. That line in particular was meant to spark a reaction from Breshke and see what he did. Also would just like to say the case on moosy doesn't make him mafia I think, and this post isn't bad | ||
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how did I encourage you again | ||
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On July 25 2015 01:52 Rels wrote: I felt you pushed me to vote moosy with this post: That's not a call for a vote XD, that's asking for an explanation why you didn't draw your own conclusions. And that post was technically AFTER your vote | ||
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On July 25 2015 02:01 Rels wrote: That's not the point though, because when you wrote it you believed I didn't vote yet. Anyway I don't believe it means anything. Actually it matters a lot, you just said something that isn't true at all and trying to move it under the rug. You 100% said that I pushed you to vote moosey when in fact my post was asking why you weren't drawing your own conclussions and being proactive came AFTER you had already voted moosey. and now you have unvoted moosy when basically nothing has changed. This is interesting. | ||
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I forgot to do this earlier. However I'm really sure that rayn is town here, I love him and he loves me and we will kill mafia | ||
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On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote: How so? It's the lazy man approach. Damdred thinks like this: "Fuck I am scum again, boring shit" "Ruxx said a lot of crap" "I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI" "I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal" Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time. Please don't write a pointless narrative that has no basis in fact. I actually love rolling scum and I never really get caught in tmi. Anyway you going to have a really hard time in big boy games if this is what you focus on when you are town. | ||
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After that I have like a group of 4 people I kinda want dead | ||
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TT, Breske are on the next level also here is sulfur Rels is also someone I'm really curious scum leaning on. Really it's really to many people and I need to refine my list a bit. | ||
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I don't give a crap rayn, I think your town you thought I was town at some point I'm not interested in calling you bad. So just make your read | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have this weird read on Rels. I think he is town. Who is TT and why Breshke? Okay i kinda get that but why not NocturneMage? And why do you not interact with me as usual? Tt is tick tock. Rels and I had strange interactions where he said I was scummy for influencing him to vote when he voted before I even made the post and then tried to wiggle out of it. Idk I haven't played much attention to mages here, I probably should read him but I think Barak is the best lynch today. And I was pretty sure you were town early and you took the lead no reason for,me to fight and argue with you when we want the same thing here. | ||
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And that's not,my meta lol | ||
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On July 25 2015 06:57 ruXxar wrote: Yes, I'm the dumbass here for giving my meta read in damdred and calling him out when he's acting scummy. Here's the deal you've played I think maybe 2 games with me one I was scum, one I was town who didn't play n1-d4. Its no offense but your meta read is insanely under developed. Rayn is on the fence on if I'm scummy or not so obviously I'm doing something wrong in the game and that's on me to a degree. But I still think,the meta is wrong | ||
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On July 25 2015 07:34 n00bKing wrote: I don't remember Damdred ever addressing this, so I'll bump it here: I never did address this, probably just forgot along the way. Anyway, bit different now obviously with the game progressing. But a) basically at that point B) you get a town read, you get a town read, everyone gets a town read. | ||
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Tge lynch makes me happy today I think, nothing he has done has screamed town to me and him not being back defending himself+leaving information behind is telling I think for a d1 lynch. I know someone asked me about my meta read on rayn, its kinda hard to explain and its about how he approaches the game and interacts with people. And he's not being an asshole a lovable asshole but still. Either way he's probably the towniest person in the game. | ||
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##unvote ##vote barakos | ||
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On July 26 2015 04:24 n00bKing wrote: Because rayn asked him to. It's not like the rest of us don't get to read it too. This is kind of a dumb post, Damdred. Come on, you don't do everything your scum read asks you to do. You can't prove to them that they are scum. If you are on the fence about someone and have concerns that's one thing but his scum read looks more like an actual case than trying to figure out if someone is scum | ||
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One problem I had with this post was that the reads still aren't substantiated beyond a copy paste of the allegations against him. With a slight twist on why those people are town who point out the problems. The second is he automatically accepts both of us as town for thinking he looks scummy which doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If someone starts a wagon/joims a wagon one of my first thoughts is is scum looking for an easy mislynch which he doesn't do. if bara flips scum rels is town no matter what to me obviously | ||
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So that's one off the list. I like that | ||
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On July 26 2015 07:32 ruXxar wrote: Game's pretty easy from here. Just lynch the non-voters and we win. Moosy + Flexes last mafia gogo. Maybe if you want to lose 99% of the time probably | ||
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This does point to an inactive or ineffective scum tram. Rels was spewed town, rayn basically pushed barakos from the start which is.t a good start when you could get another lynch, I was spewed town, disinformation didn't waver. Noobking looks really town I think breshke and mages and sulf are the big question marks on the wagon. TT I'm torn on, one hand he's a good mafia player I think, he probably would of taken the cred instead of painting a target on him tommorow possibly. Its worth another look but the gut says he's probably town who was just wrong. Ruxx is on the outside looking in o think he's towny still maybe I should recheck him. moosey I still think is a null maybe town idk flex could be afk scum If I was the big I would shoot into the breahke/sulf/flex club. Mages has given us enough information to try to discern. My gut says the last two possibly bussed when they found they were ineffective | ||
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I think your wrong on moose | ||
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On July 24 2015 18:00 Rels wrote: Like some other people in the thread, I also found Barakos super weird. Especially since like some guys also playing, I played my first game with him in Newbie X, and in that game he was very logical and straightforward in his posts. Fluff, very different from his first post in Newbie X where he was already analyzing disfo's filter. And this post is so unlike him I feel: This post is not how I remember Barakos playing. It's just supposition without conclusions. And this part is super ironic: LOL Actually curious if you think a mafia team mate would do this at that point in the game | ||
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Rel is pretty lock town for me atm | ||
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Rels goes out early against bara, he does parrot me on a couple of things but digs up a bit of past meta and puts it in the thread. His vote doesn't go on him at that point. (and I also think there are negatives to rel don't get me wrong) Barak hard town reads rel and soft town reads me for this, I made mention of the town reads being odd because that's not a normal way to go about it. Udually scum have a harder time coming up with reasons to scum or town read people. Example would be he spewed noob as his top town in his very first post for no reason, me town twice and rels town. Generally I always try to think does this seem like a mafia trying to sneak a team mate into someone's town cir le. And if it was someone a bit more prolific I possibly would be looking at rels harder than I am now. But the town read for odd reasons coupled with rels going after him early has me pretty convinced today he's town anyway. | ||
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Flex is a great shot though | ||
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I'm going to read a few filters and leave thoughts jic. I die though I doubt I do | ||
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Town contradicts themselves a lot more in my ! experiences than scum does. Its what it is and rayn is correct that we shouldn't assume anything so not sure why rels is scummy for that | ||
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Though I have reread mages and he's not as bad ad I thought I have a few hang ups though about him. | ||
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It's reallyvweird | ||
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I have good town reads early. I call out scum!barakos I vote him third but misspell,his name so on the wagon later rather than third. I continue to have ok reads and try to figure people out. So what's causing the hesitation when earlier you liked my posts? | ||
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On July 27 2015 02:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yeah I guess Damdred has to be town unless he was busing hard and had to point out that post because it was way too obvious. One thing that bothers me is that you’ve been a bit of an oprah early on with your town reads but I guess they were really obvious although still a bit TOO early. So you are now knocking me for a post that you say is way to obvious but hard town reading people who pointed out the same things I did after the fact? But only call,me,into question. You also call me into,question for to early reads but don't look at any of my other games. For example the last game I was in I poed the game within an hour or two though was wrong on rayn and fixed it. In the game we played together I came into the game fast with town reads and hunted through finding town. So this is a really odd post considering at one point you use one game to say this is how same red acts as town but then say I'm scummy for it now. | ||
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It's really interesting. | ||
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On July 25 2015 00:47 Rels wrote: Actually your quotes are super damning. He really did a 180 on his expectations of you. ##Unvote ##Vote MoosyDoosy Actually rayn myself and eels for into,it at this point. I wanted your opinion on it earlier but yeah. He gave a half hearted answer I went to call him out but he ninja me and voted moosey and then said I pressured him into it even though my post came after the vote and never fully explained himself. It's one of the problems I gave, and he said he wanted to push moosey instead of Barak I believe | ||
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On July 27 2015 04:00 ruXxar wrote: ?!!! His story checks out. Your grandiose witch hunt on this small little detail doesn't matter jack shit in the long run because what you want to look for is mafia motivation and not get hung up in small details like this that totally derail town productivity. I can perfectly understand rels logic here and nothing in that argument is him contradicting himself. Go look at the broader strokes of the game and try to discern mafia motivation from that, this topic of rels scum-read has been beaten to death and you're not going to convince me he's scum for it. Ruxxor makes a good post. Must be scum | ||
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And the stuff he brings up,doesn't make,him,scum just feels to nitpicky to me. | ||
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What about Breske though rayn | ||
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I kinda feel like,it's flex and then one of breshke/sulf maybe moosey Idk. I,have three, mislunches and 4-5 people I think,could be scum. Idk it's a sorta hard game | ||
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My gut says it's flex,and breshke | ||
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More than likely it is rayn (which would make him happy). If I don't make it through the night don't lynch into the people who lynched scum tommorow maybe d3 but never tommorow. My town list looks like this Rayn Rel Noob Ruxxor Disinformation Maybe town Mages Conflicted Moosey Maybe scum Sulf Breshke Tt Think they are scum Flex Those bottom 5 names,have the last 2 scum,I believe. Any questions ask away | ||
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There are a few people who aren't really playing and weren't on the wagon. | ||
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I just think its pretty meh to lynch into the wagon that killed mafia when we have people who did scummy things off the wagon, and are still doing scummy things today. | ||
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that being said id be ok lynching scott Scott looks like crap is admitted he hasn't bothered to read all d1 but is just sheeping a case on sulf. | ||
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Sooo yeah | ||
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Firstly of course you can abstain from using rb/frames/vig powers. And breshke saying otherwise is a bit odd(?) just like you can withhold kp if you want but its not advisable st all. Other than that I'm not sure who want to lynch, on one hand someone shouldn't claim mafia and not be punished. Om the other breshke is super weird, and tick is interesting but not sure its scum related hrm | ||
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though I might be relenering someone else. | ||
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Tt tells the truth here and my gut feeling id that he's town. I don't like all his posts but I don't see much mafia motivation in pushing against the lynch of his team mate when its a done deal. Tge more I think about it the more I hate it. The lynch that is. Moosey, Scott or breshke. But id rather not breshke. ##vote scott follow me my friends. He has hopped from case to case he hasn't really pushed anything just set things out there instead to see what can be picked up on. I'd probably consolidate on moose but I think Scott is the way to go | ||
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So Scott or breshke. | ||
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Trust me, I know what I'm doing. | ||
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Hrm, I still think lynch Scott here | ||
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Everyone who has moved why did you move to the Scott wagon. | ||
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On July 29 2015 04:04 NocturneMage wrote: Just got home from work. So people don't want to lynch Sulfurus - reading his last few posts and I have some questions. - why is he looking at disformation (between him and Breshke) - one issue I have with him is why his read on Moosy isn't changing when Moosy's done a bit (he's saying his lynch list isn't changing except for the two names he's brought up) - Moosy has done some things that appear towny to me (read on) so I don't know how he's making a determination why he's still scummy (and less so disformation) Sulfurus if you can answer these it would be great. Reading a few filters... I already voiced a few potential scum issues with Breshke (the ruxxar read drop, not getting anywhere on Sulfurus despite discussing noobking) but I need to read the Moosy/Breshke convo again, it looks really difficult to read at first glance... Right now, the only real argument I've seen all game against Moosy is the question dodging although I thought he answered at some point why his read on Breshke evolved, mainly based on lurkiness. He has provided town reads and a scum read d1, and his response to Rels regarding the Barakos wagon "in the event it was wrong....would I have achieved anything" I thought was pretty towny. I really don't think Moosy is the choice to go to lynch today, still townlean, and although it would appear that Tictock has moved on to a Scott/Breshke scumteam, he still has Moosy in his bottom three so unless it's buried in this thread somewhere, I'm curious as to why Tictock wasn't moved once Moosy provided those questions other than the argument "he's active and he's posting but still not that great." And actually that's another point against Breshke - Breshke cited question dodging against Moosy as well when he returned to the thread, and Moosy had before resolved the questions I'm pretty sure. I checked the meta read on Breshke and the argument holds, even accounting to equal the number of days, since he didn't last long in his scum games. I think mages is scum here actually | ||
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But just a few minutes after breshke consolidates on scott, he votes scott with a really meh reason without any suspicion with his top scum read on him. | ||
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Get on mages, look at how easy he jumps on Scott when the momentum is going. Lets go get on mages | ||
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we lynch mages today | ||
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##Vote ticktock No mafia shenanigans | ||
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There's no telling when he asked to out, so let's leave that till post game | ||
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On July 29 2015 06:58 n00bKing wrote: Because Scott's Cop claim is illogical, and I know Ticktock is Town. Have you not been reading the thread? If tt flips town I'm 99% willing to lynch noob for Tmi lol | ||
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Confirmed town: Rayn, this is simple. He probably will say I'm mafia eon which will be fun. Unless we have another claim which you have to claim as pr tommorow he's always confirmed. Sorta confirmed: Rels, we know scum has a rb and nobody else got rb. And did a lot of,things around d1 lynch early got spewed town by mafia. Scott: is the UN cc cop, only way we get him lynched is rayn flip vet and cop/vig dies. Great reason for town reading: Disinformation: think he's been pretty towny this game, was on mafia early d1. Seems to be 're evaluating and thinking about the game. Probably town: Moosey, green check not caring a lot about survibal. Could be gf but he's got a pass for,now. I think they are town Ruxxor Noobking, gut still thinks he's town. He's said some really strange things but I don't think he either rb rels or chances hitting the vet. Maybe I'm giving,him to much credit. Concerned Sulf Breshke general things, lack of cares who dies or trying to,figure things out. Probably scum Mages, firstly Barak did have an early suspicion on him so that is in his favor for most people. But suck find it easier to suck read partners at points then town and never revisits the read and seems to forget about it. He also hasn't been,interested and has a really strange vote on Scott and peaches out. Pretty sure he's scum. Kinda where I'm at | ||
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Also I think,Barak spewed noob town in one of his first posts as wifom as that is | ||
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Lets make it happen he doesn't care about the game it seems super scummy posts. Another day to evaluate isn't horrible on noob. Though I'll listen to those cases | ||
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1) He really has been super side lined all game. 2) The only halfway scum read flipped mafia Barajas had was on mages and town reads on what I consider town players. And as we know new s um players have an easier time scum reading scum. 3) Super poor re entrance d2 lynch only talked about scum breshke basically. Saw you up for lynch breahje voted to lynch you right before he voted ai he couldn't of missed it voted with breahke. 4) Didn't care around lynch voted and left 5) Didn't care about night phase | ||
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On July 30 2015 10:40 Breshke wrote: Moosey why did you vote Scott if you knew he was the cop? OK I DONT WANT TO LYNCH BRESHKE TODAY | ||
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Which means final,two scum are sulf and mages. Mages today just trust me | ||
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He's just town here | ||
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Mafia confirmed him town basically. Noob didn't think,through that but nobody else did either. | ||
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Besides that Idk what else to say it's just confirmation bias at this point and things that don't make him scum to a degree. And nobody even,thought about,the rb thing,before I said it lol | ||
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On July 31 2015 07:38 Sulfurus wrote: ##Vote: n00bKing Just because Moosy will probably flip town doesn't mean he is right about n00b and Rayn's dying words were to kill n00bKing. It's sulf abd mages | ||
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If you are town follow,me, | ||
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It's idiotic for noob as scum who's about to be lynched today but funneled people to doubt the cop claim. | ||
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Prople do ot all the time because its shit to stop playing a game during crucial parts shrug. I think he's town and mages is scum so vote mages | ||
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He gives a list of 3 people he thinks could be scum, even explains why... But then says but I can only lynch noobking today. When we have 2 scum left. | ||
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Noob is town just trust me. I'm a good player mages+sulf makes a ton of sense. | ||
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Breshke could still be mafia, sulf could be mages could be. Noobs not scum I'm pretty sure. Sooo yeah its not easy as you think and lining up lynched is stupid. Tunneling on one person is stupid and not paying attention to the rest of the game. You are saying mages is probably scum but you won't vote and id noob ai town give scum all the power of deciding to hammer a town | ||
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And he doesn't do that he's not playing to survive it doesn't matter because you won't listen to me | ||
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town lies, hides etc., There are hundreds of reasons and it doesn't make someone mafia at all. | ||
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It doesn't matter what he says or explains to you rux you will say he's mafia no matter what. Just admit it. | ||
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Mafia does get caught in stories but different. Ruxxors being an idiot | ||
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sits just how it is shrug | ||
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You just can't handle the truth and when you figure out that town contradicts themselves, hide information and lie you will become a better player. Instead of mired in tunnels | ||
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On August 01 2015 03:42 n00bKing wrote: Need someone to switch to NocturneMage plz. Then, within relatively short order (say an hour or hour and a half), something should either happen or not happen. And either way, it tells me what we should do today. Just explain this and say what you think before I have to go | ||
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So your #1 scum read switches and you call him a hero noob. No on is sulfs #1 scum and he switches to save him? | ||
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Now sulf is 100% voting with his #1 scum read and no one is batting an eye. So please Ruxxor rels disinformation switch with me and let's kill sulf | ||
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##Vote sulfurus Lets get this train going | ||
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You just said Noobking can't live past today and you hammer the other person instead of letting the person who you don't think should live past today get lynched | ||
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No on could be scum with sulf. Breshke could be partners with either. The field is a little open and this turn of events has me doubting things. | ||
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On August 01 2015 06:23 Sulfurus wrote: Also it's not even scummy for me to be switching votes between them; I want to kill both of them and the order doesn't really matter. If it doesn't matter what order they died in why did you change your vote? | ||
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You look at sulf don't even doubt his intentions or question his switch and just smile when you wanted to lynch him. Its like both of you forgot your scum reads and don't care. | ||
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##Vote nocturnalmages Do it mages doesn't care now he isn't in the lead | ||
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I'm sorry I got paranoid glad I switched back. | ||
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Now for work, this does not clear noob as in moon being mafia means that neither scum cared who lived to a degree. This is probably one of the less likely. Breshke is more interesting in this regard. It sorta makes the most sense going for,the town cred both times. Sulf is the least likely probably he fought super hard to get a nm lynch done htm. I need to look at all the players again I feel like I'm missing something | ||
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We switched then started switching back and looked like Bresh, sulf, Scott, damdred I think | ||
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And no it can't just be anyone. So yeah gotta work a bit with me,here, tell,me,who you are most suspicious of | ||
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Tried to get mages dead d2 but rayn bullied the thread. Abd I got paranoid today. I'm not sure how that makes Breske confirmed town. Basically if we live in the world of never lynching people who voted nm off we have to lynch sulf and rux and I don't believe it's that easy | ||
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However I'm reevaluating my Poe when I get home. My initial gut feeling is that I think,it's noob for a couple reasons. | ||
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Atm if we get to 2-1 lylo its noob-rux-breshke in the final three imo. So we need to sort everything out on everyone | ||
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Noob well, idk why sulfs his hero and not scum hammering another town over him and all a sudden sulf can't be the partner to anyone for him meh | ||
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Overall I actually think it maks sulfrus look ok. Unless he was bussing again which I don't think so at that point. However noob looks kinda bad just being off doing his own thing, and looks like a bus d1. IDk I kinda want to lynch noob first | ||
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On August 02 2015 03:11 Rels wrote: Damdred: on every vote NocturneMage is, noobking is too. Except the one where NocturneMage voted noobking of course. Of course there were big wagons each time, but each time there were at least one person not voting on the wagon for the day. Is it scum indicative ? That's not really super indicative of anything, mages was on the same lynch as a coupe people besides d3 so its kinda meh. | ||
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Sulfurus (3): Rels, disformation, n00bKing n00bking (2): ruXxar, NocturneMage Before you get to amazed at claiming so much cred for the lynch on NM. You didn't end up on NM, you switched to your "hero" who you never showed any doubt once he got on mages. And honestly idk how much you actually pushed mages throughout the day I fought a ton for it and had to convince you to get on mages at first anyway. just some things don't add up, and they dont' for breshke either or sulf | ||
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What is the mafia motivation in that situation when he to was acting in self preservation with only a minute and a half for a switch? | ||
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On August 02 2015 04:10 Rels wrote: You are saying the reason Sulfurus voted you was NOT self preservation ? Sometimes I love you rels, i'm a big fan of yours | ||
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On August 02 2015 04:11 n00bKing wrote: What are you talking about? I told you the scum team on Day 3, before Mage ever flipped. And whaddya know? He flipped Red, just like I said. Btw did you scum read nm d2? or when did you decide that? | ||
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On August 02 2015 05:47 n00bKing wrote: When did I begin scum reading NM, or when did I decide that Breshke was his partner? I began scumreading NM during Night 1. I didn't decide Breshke was his partner until late in Day 3, after seeing how Mage responded to having the vote lead, and answered my question of whether he was the Cop or not. Maybe you should make you that YOU answer the questions that were posed to YOU. I'm not on trial nor am I a lynch candidate, if someone has something pressing i'll answer it otherwise yeah. If you were scum reading mages d1 why did you waste yoru vote and never help me push mages d2 when there was actually a pretty decent shot of getting him lynched? Instead you wasted your vote and never did anything useful around that lynch and it was only when it was your ass o the line that you decided to get on him d3. | ||
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On August 02 2015 06:20 Damdred wrote: I'm not on trial nor am I a lynch candidate, if someone has something pressing i'll answer it otherwise yeah. If you were scum reading mages d1 why did you waste yoru vote and never help me push mages d2 when there was actually a pretty decent shot of getting him lynched? Instead you wasted your vote and never did anything useful around that lynch and it was only when it was your ass o the line that you decided to get on him d3. This is super important and I think tis pretty alignment indicative, one of your top scum reads has a good chance to get lynched do you A) Push against a TT lynch who you think is super town, so town that you post a town case and Vote for Mafia!Mages who you have had a scum read on since d1. B) Vote Mages and push for mages to be lynched since there is a decent shot that he is lynched today with a bit of extra push against raynes lynch. C) Make a town case on TT, never make a vote that can help save your town read and dont' vote for your mafia read who has a chance to ge tlynched while you are in thread. Noob picked C, I don't see town motivation | ||
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On August 02 2015 06:41 scott31337 wrote: I don't see the town motivation either. :/ and he was sooo confident TT was town. Yep I don't see how you can say you hard town read someone and not vote for the alternative wagon and afk your vote where it won't do any good? Whats the point of going out of your way to townread someone so hard and not relaly help the lynch in the right direction? I only see scum trying to save a partner and not take any of the bad juju fro a town lynch. | ||
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3.Rels 4.Sulfurus 6.ruXxar 7.disinformation 2.Damdred 3.Breshke Scott 7 v 1 ml 6 v 1 nk 5 v 1 ml 4 v 1 nk 3 v 1 ml 2 v 1 game over We really didn't gain a mislynch by this we just go into mylo instead of lylo if moosy hadn't of mod killed himself we would of gained one though so theres that *looks at moosy* So who does a no shot help? It obviously helps Rels and myself and disinformation Could the last mafia be afk? Yes maybe? Which could point to breshke or sulf So this is interesting to say the least, the only person this doesn't help is noobking which is interesting... | ||
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On August 02 2015 07:06 scott31337 wrote: Red check on n00bking GG You weren't roleblocked? | ||
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So if your scum you lost the game here, if you are town and fake claiming just take it back otherwise its game over. | ||
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Anyway the games over, noob is the last scum. GG all, everyone did really well. Ruxxor you just have to figure out the sweet spot between knowing you are right and not degrading people/working with people to get what you want. Like both of us were lynching mafia d3 and both of us were being a bit of a shit head and iw as tempted to work with you at points but then you were just starting to get belligerent and I thought I was more right XD. Overall everyone played rather well and i'm happy it turned out like it did. | ||
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Its like what's the point of Scott lying noob was always going to be lynched here. If noob is scum though kinda borderline making us play this out with a red check on him. Honestly if noob isn't scum which I doubt I would of said rels or disinformation foleom the no kill shrug | ||
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Rels, disinformation both played pretty well imo and was happy with the way they conducted themselves during the game. While at points it felt tunneled both made good decisions. Moosey played idk to tilty gor me, d1 was ok was a bit difficult to get a read on him but he could maybe be townish. But soon as d2 started just total tilt it felt like. rux didn't play badly but (I'm guilty of this) just didn't want to work with me to lynch scum!mages, even though he was trying to lynch scum noob. Hiwever I really should tell you guys around lynch don't leave your votes by itself make them have meaning and help lynch instead of half adding because you don't believe in anything | ||
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D2 I don't think tt was a horrid lynch I just felt like mages was a better lynch and his weird posts really screamed scum to me and I feel like we could of lynched him there and had momentum. I honestly don't think the response rayn gave me here was respectful or anyway I would want to ever treat anyone in mafia so I just gave up no reason to turn it into a shitstorm. D3 well I just wanted mh mages lynch I basically skipped all the shit fighting with rux and rels and moose and noob. Just pushed my lynch was a shit head and then noob outer himself as mafia how he treated sulf especially after mages flipped. And how he tried to take all the cred and explaining when he had a scum read on mages it made it pretty easy from my perspective. Overall I can't say anyone played horribly just we all need to work together more and not be shit heads to each other. Myself included | ||
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The first was when rayn started pointing some things out that bothered me about noob but I hadn't looked into it yet. The next day I had pushed the mages lynch and had pushed against lynching noob however one of my arguments was he doesn't care just wants his opinion in the thread which I still feel comes more from town. However all a sudden he turns on a dime and goes, rellls I'll answer anything. At that point I just said yeah hrs mafia probably. Tge final one was how he acted around d2 voting with the knowledge he scun read flipped partner mages d1 no reason for town to act like that. Such a good read rux/rayn made on him though. | ||
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Its difficult to get hard town read as a low activity player, but some people are just easier to read. For example breshke felt extremely town d3 when he started posting well thought out posts. Sulf felt more town when he explained himself better and was a bit more clear with why he was switching votes. And none of them ever came out of pie just not in the lynch today part | ||
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I just don't think it makes anyone mafia being caught in a lie, townies want to inherently look good or they lose track and contradict themselves don't want to make themselves look bad etc. All these things happen much more often than town then they do scum. And even though noob was scum I don't think this argument made him scum. Like even your staunchest supporters in a nk lynch were willing to leave when he answered simple questions. This means the argument is flawed and other things are needed to get people to stick. The way he acted d2 is excellent et. And I would of lynched him with you for that but not for hiding information. | ||
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Geripts right he did get scummier as time passes and like I said you and rayn had a good read and mine came from looking at it after I lynched his partner shrug. But I still don't think the argument is strong enough, what would of happened if he would of answered in a coherent fashion? Rels would of fell off the wagon potentially and Scott possibly also. | ||
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Town should always want to work together not say they will throw the game like that and ruin someone else desire to play the game shrug, don't do that newbs | ||
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However I think its wise for all of you newbies to realize something that the game doesn't continue after the last mafia/town are done with. There have been plenty of times when I have been super angry at Rayn/Marv/HF/Rsoulti/geript at points in the game ready to throw stuff at the screen and then we are best buddies outside the game or act like nothing has happened once the game is over. Its all about separation of the game vs other things, just because someone acted toxic this game doesn't mean they will the next or th enext. Nor does it mean if someone didn't really play that they won't play the next etc. and saying "I'm not going to play with this person again" is extremely petty even if they were really volitle this time. Give them another chance and forget about this game we won people act dumb. | ||
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