EPTYou lynch me.
Then you lynch n00bking.
Then you win the game.
It's an idiot proof plan, impossible to fuck up.
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You lynch me. Then you lynch n00bking. Then you win the game. It's an idiot proof plan, impossible to fuck up. | ||
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On August 01 2015 23:46 disformation wrote: Can you make a case why we should lynch you first?  Some people are still not convinced that n00bking is mafia. When I die he will the most likely scum left. So then you lynch him, easy. And if you still manage to fuck that up somehow I'll nominate you all for the darwin award of the year. | ||
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He's a nice guy! | ||
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On August 02 2015 07:37 n00bKing wrote: uhhh, nope. I've been a role with night actions in over a dozen games. Never once forgotten to turn my action in. The mechanical play is to lynch you, then lynch scott if you are town. Do you agree? | ||
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There's nothing more to discuss at this point. | ||
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On August 04 2015 07:54 NocturneMage wrote: For the townies that played on low post counts or limited time - I am looking at you Sulfurus, Scott, Breshke, how do you people make yourselves look town, or do the town reads take time? Posting off mobile is annoying as fuck sometimes but I really don't have a choice. Voting on scum really helps. Scott was a scum-read pretty much all game. Sulfurus only got town-read by me due to his meta. He had a completely different approach to the game than my previous game with him. Also fearless in his posting. Breshke was kinda meh for me all game, but his vote logic just put him in a good spot. His early vote on barakos bought him a lot of credit in my eyes. | ||
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Your response to barakos first post was really fishy. I expected you of all people to tear that post apart. Your push on rels was really silly. Your logic around rels being cop and who he would check was a big mess. Your refusal to answer my questions. It doesn't matter what cases you post on yourself. If you don't answer my questions I won't be town-reading you. How when Moosy tried to explain your logic, he completely missed, and your reaction was just "meh". That was a dead giveaway, and the following evasiveness in answering questions related to this. At the end you were REALLY obvious when you said "just vote for nocturne and something may or may not happen". That was so blatantly obvious I couldn't believe people didn't just instantly switch over to you. Damdred really helped you out and really pissed me off when he wouldn't answer my question about town lying. I couldn't comprehend how damdred didn't see immedieatly that n00bking was mafia from that, and the way damdred dodged my question was scummy as all hell in my eyes. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:05 NocturneMage wrote: Meta. That word. Had I been town I wouldn't have trusted anyone who used "meta" as a reason to read people. I guess I need to play a few more games here lol. Yeah, don't listen to other people's meta reads, unless you really believe that the guy is town. Just make meta reads from your own experience with people, it requires a few games to figure out the small nuances. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote: I didn't dodge your question at all, I gave you the truthful answer me answering a yes or no question about a general subject doesn't help anything its just the way the game is played. What I really wanted to convey was if you endores/encouraged town to lie/hide information. I was reading your reply as as acceptance of town lying / hiding information on purpose, like n00bking was doing. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:19 Damdred wrote: It honestly doesn't matter what I felt about the situation of lying or hiding information in pretty meh about the subject. I just don't think it makes anyone mafia being caught in a lie, townies want to inherently look good or they lose track and contradict themselves don't want to make themselves look bad etc. All these things happen much more often than town then they do scum. And even though noob was scum I don't think this argument made him scum. Like even your staunchest supporters in a nk lynch were willing to leave when he answered simple questions. This means the argument is flawed and other things are needed to get people to stick. The way he acted d2 is excellent et. And I would of lynched him with you for that but not for hiding information. It's not whether or not they lie, but that they keep lying and hiding information when asked to clarift and refuse to answer a question that cleary is bullshit. He kept saying how he had a "damaging reason" to not reveal why he thought the way he did about rels being cop. It was so convoluted that it didn't make sense at all. When asked to come forth with this information he simply refused. If he was town he had absolutely no reason to hide that information when asked for it. | ||
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He quite clearly was not interested in having a conversation, and instead resorted to trying to diminish my credibility. I think if I was not pushing n00bking so hard he would've had a fair shot at living at least a couple days more. I think breshke, me and sulfurus could've all been lynched before him. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:24 geript wrote: The thing you need to understand is that bullshit questions do nothing. It doesn't matter if you're right. Like I can't sell you a beer based on the fact that they only buy hops at the end of summer from Nevada farms which use chick shit as a natural fertilizer. Bad arguments even if correct, don't sell your read. Mafia is a two part game. First reading the game/situation correctly and second selling your view of the game/situation so that other people buy it. I wasn't really interested interested in selling anything as much as I was in just people observing the way n00bking was responding to the pressure put on him. It was like dead obvious from my point of view that he was mafia, because his play made no sense at all from a meta standpoint of n00bking(and I have very high regard for town n00bking). | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:26 Damdred wrote: Town do extremely stupid things, and I was wrong for defending him bit I was extremely sure about my lynch that I was unable to push through the day before which had a large part to do with it. Geripts right he did get scummier as time passes and like I said you and rayn had a good read and mine came from looking at it after I lynched his partner shrug. But I still don't think the argument is strong enough, what would of happened if he would of answered in a coherent fashion? Rels would of fell off the wagon potentially and Scott possibly also. Well he tried and he actually convinced rels when he said that his secret information was that "he was waiting for nocturne to role claim", which was like the most BS reason ever. And the fact is that when no one else(and I asked everyone repeatedly to try to explain his logic) and I mean NO ONE was able to even come close to make sense of what he said, then he's either : 1) bad town with bad logic unwilling to admit he's wrong(shitty town / mafia sided town) 2) Mafia not wanting to lose town credibility to be able to push through lynches. | ||
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And I wasn't the only one to point it out, moosy did to. He was simply too warm and jovial, and in my own words: "town n00bking is like a shiny dodecahedron". That in itself doesn't make him mafia, but it makes him something else than town unless his meta shifted significantly since the last time we played. After that he just made illogical pushes that I in no way related to the sharp and logical mind of n00bking. It was my fault for not seeing the connection of him defending nocturne, and just saw it as him trying to attack rels. I only realized this after the fact that nocturne got lynched, but it should've been quite obvious. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:36 geript wrote: 1. Don't use meta yet. 2. It's fine to want people to observe how he reacts. But you'll get more bang for your buck if you get both their observations of his reaction AND get to understand/absorb your reasons for scumreading him. Selling a read isn't easy, trust me I know. Quite often I have very good reads that I struggle to explain (when I'm not in the game); idk why it is but being an observer usually makes it easier to explain my reads. I know I didn't play my A game this game. I was pretty lazy and didn't feel like doing any big cases really. I don't know if that's just a natural trends as you play mafia you get less and less inclined to actually filter dive and post big cases and just go mostly off feeling and easily observable suspicious behaviors / vote logic etc. | ||
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On August 04 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote: As you get into more vet games you will find most huge cases get ignored because peoples attention can't be kept usually two paragraphs can get somone lynched #truth. I pretty much skimmed all the big posts and jus reds all the small ones. I'm going to practice on just being concise. Small direct posts seem to be key. The only reason to post big posts is so people will town read you for effort, not really the content. | ||
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Mafia mentality is "I gotta look town by making towns plays" Town mentality is "I'm town so i don't give a f what I say" Especially in my own mafia play I an way more mechanical instead of organic in my posting. Also, making honest reads on people is hard as mafia, which is why it's easier to just take a hard stance on someone. | ||
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I harbor no I'll will towards anyone for what they said or did in the game(moosy plz I love u <3) | ||
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On August 04 2015 21:38 NocturneMage wrote: Wouldn't mind the postgame chat but it's late for me as well. Thanks again for hosting LS, did not know it was your first time hosting, so sorry if I was spewing a bit much in the obs QT on the factional/deliverable kp. As for the modkill I was shaking my head, it was pretty dumb, obviously as mafia I wasn't complaining but to me, the way he acted just defied logic. I've seen enough toxic personalities and tunnels just reading other games, that's all just part of the game, and Moosy, if you think ruXxar was bad, well let's just say it's a good thing you didn't play Gaiden. I'm pretty sure the moderator of that game would have had a field day with you. What confused me the most was that I all the time thought that moosy got modkilled due to the fact he asked the host to get modkilled, and not due to the fact that he insulted me. The mod should always make it abundantly clear why someone got modkilled as to not reveal information pertinent to the alignment of the modkilled person. The way this modkill went down a lot of people perceived moosy to be town. And yeah, moosy is moosy. We have a love/hate relationship (love from my side, hate from his side LOL). Also for rels: I'm really happy we got to play again. Always love playing with you. You did really well this game, always reasonable and very good reads. I felt like you always listened but was also critical of information. You tried to see the best in people and their positive side, especially from n00bking when I was tunneling hard you tried to give him a chance. It's a good ability to have that you're able to re-evaluate the game. I hope we play again with you next game! I got a bit too tunneled, but I learned a lot from this. All my games of mafia I feel my playstyle has been completely different, a bit on purpose and a bit due to circumstances. I realized that after playing mafia I have to do a lot of my own work to make the game interesting, so I tried something different with the poetry crap(it was pretty bad I admit :p). Anyway, you only get out of the game what you put into it, and if you're not having fun you're not going to keep playing, so I prefer to make it interesting over just playing standard  | ||
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