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On July 15 2015 08:44 n00bKing wrote: Well...then if the scum team knows there is a Vigilante in the setup, you can probably expect to be roleblocked again on Night 2 as well. Because they will be worried that you are yourself the Vigilante. In reality, the Vigilante may just have not fired yet, but they probably won't take the chance, and would roleblock you again. If anyone besides you gets RB'd on Night 2, then it's probably a Cop setup instead. Come to think of it, I have been in a newbie game where a newbie vigilante did not fire his shot. I guess it is possible. But it really doesn't happen often. We'll see. | ||
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I will put aside some time in about 2 hours when I step away for food. | ||
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On July 16 2015 00:25 scott31337 wrote: I've been really busy as well, but I can't forget to vote this time...We don't need any modkilled townies. ##Vote Tjhuggins Can you sum up where you stand on people in general this game? I don't need a big case or wall of text, even a list post, exclusive scumreads only, or something so we know where you stand. Or even in one line why you think TJH is the best lynch. | ||
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But Scott coming in without a previously stated stance on TJH is a bit interesting and if we're wrong on TJH, could point to the Scott/GE world that SW and (I think??) Grokken were discussing earlier given that I'm confident the rest of the wagon is green. | ||
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On July 15 2015 11:52 Tictock wrote: The issue with solo voting is that it makes it harder to look at vote counts after a flip. Ideally you want 2 solid wagons so that when you hit on scum you can start to figuer out which players on the opposing wagon are likely scum and which, if any, are scum bussing a teammate. I'm pretty guilty of throwing my vote out solo in past newbie games, so I understand the temptation to ignore the majority and vote for your own reads. However if you think about it all it really does it make it easier for scum to swing the votes in their favor. Maybe HtS can answer a little better, also I'm sure there is someplace on the interwebs that has in depth talk about what is good for voteing patterns as town. My counter question to get you thinking about it more, what do you think could be good about solovoting? Solovoting is an issue with closely contested wagons. You're removing yourself from the main wagons - there are a few legit reasons to solo vote but I'll allow you to see if you can sort that out. Basically I'll explain town consolidation. Tic alluded to it but town need to consolidate at EoD so that scum cannot take advantage of a split up town. The other thing is accountability - if vote counts for multiple (like 4 or more) wagons (let's say you have 3-4 wagons roughtly with the same number of votes) are relatively equal then there's no accountability and town cannot analyse and scum can hide anywhere. In veteran games you'll see multiple scumreads and then town will assemble on where they think the lynch goes. So here in terms of vote splitting the other problem with solo voting is that you would appear (if you have no good reason) to remove yourself from being accountable on a larger wagon. You'll often hear that scum hide solo or off the main wagons. http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voting_patterns I took your vote in the context of your overall play and it seemed that in addition to what you said you just didn't even consider Sulfurus though Tic (or was it noob? one of them) qualified it might not have been much to work with, then the same could be argued for NHM, sparse yet suspicious. Now this is a newbie game, so I am trying to keep that in mind. But hopefully this makes a little more sense why I'm viewing your play the way I am. | ||
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On July 15 2015 11:57 Tictock wrote: I overall agree with your post here (as with most of your posts this game) HtS. However I'm wondering if you could explain what you mean by percentage play here. It could mean two things depending on whether you are talking about mechanics or behaviours. Here I'm talking about behaviours. There are many ways to scumhunt - read progression, reads in the context of the thread, thread sentiment, VCA, tone, meta, types of pushes, etc. For the more methods you are having able to connect someone as scumlike, it's more likely they are scum. For mechanics percentage play, it is very hard to explain so I'll give you an example. Say Sulfurus flipped scum vanilla. KSC is NKed. There is a GF remaining and 9 townies remaining. Say one of those townies is a DT. The DT can green check 10 of the remaining 11. If he greenchecks N2, there's a 90% chance the player he checked is town. Percentage play would dictate you do NOT lynch that greenchecked player UNLESS you have qualitative explanation (behaviour) to explain why that person is scum in which case he MUST be the godfather. Therefore the reason to lynch a greenchecked player must be very strong. (Recent example: Bunnies in NSM10 was a greenchecked godfather who was lynched. She was scum because her reads never changed when the players' behaviours did.) (Yes there's a role called mafia framer btw, but that's outside the scope of this game.) I'm really bad at articulating things sometimes but I hope this makes sense. | ||
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On July 16 2015 05:01 GhandiEAGLE wrote: 1) What made me confident that Scott was town is because he was an experienced mafia player (supposedly; Onegu kind of ballsed up the list). To me, it would seem like an experienced mafia player would want to, in some capacity, play the game. If he were picked as scum, he'd almost definitely be more engaged, but if he got a role like Vanilla Town, I could understand him more or less AFKing out of disinterest. Honestly I can't see someone noticing that they're mafia and just deciding that they'd rather not post than actually try and win the game. Why sign up at all if you don't want to play? Have you played any other games with Scott that you can reasonably make that conclusion about him? Because there are plenty of people that lurk as scum on this forum that have way more experience than he. In fact you'll find in a number of veteran games a number of people will just not play as scum, or try in some difficulty before the team busses them. How are you rationalising that one faction would be more motivated than another, let alone a specific player if you don't have experience with him? Most town are more motivated by solving the puzzle than trying to deceive, though some do the latter pretty well. You also are wanting Grokken to be lynched. Who do you think is his teammate and why? | ||
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I am treating TJ's absence as NAI, and really only taking his gameplay up to the point he went AFK into consideration btw. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE(4): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior TJHuggins(4): Noobking, MoosyDoosy, WonnaPlay, scott31337 Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE scott31337 (1): Tictock Not Voting(1): TJHuggins Per tiebreaker rules TJH most recently had more votes, so he gets lynched regardless of warning. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE(5): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior, WonnaPlay TJHuggins(4): Noobking, MoosyDoosy, scott31337 Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE scott31337 (1): Tictock Not Voting(1): TJHuggins | ||
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Unless scum n00b or Fidei decided to yolo d1......nah I'm not going down that road yet  /tinfoil | ||
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We'll sort this out. | ||
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Starting point VCA Day 1 Sulfurus(4): Half the Sky, Fidei86, Kelsier SC, Noobking <--------likely pure wagon MoosyDoosy(3): Grokken, TJHuggins, Sulfurus NydusHerMain (1): silentwarrior Fidei86(1): NydusHerMain Not Voting(4): WonnaPlay, scott31337, GhandiEAGLE. MoosyDoosy Day 2 <4h to EoD GhandiEAGLE(4): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior TJHuggins(4): Ticktock, Noobking, MoosyDoosy, WonnaPlay Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE Not Voting(2): scott31337, TJHuggins Day 2 <40m to EoD GhandiEAGLE(5): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior, WonnaPlay TJHuggins(4): Noobking, MoosyDoosy, scott31337 Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE scott31337 (1): Tictock Not Voting(1): TJHuggins[/QUOTE] Day 2 EoD GhandiEAGLE(7): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior, WonnaPlay ,Ticktock, MoosyDoosy TJHuggins(2): Noobking, scott31337 Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE Not Voting(1): TJHuggins | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:07 Tictock wrote: TJ is in no way off the hook, and now Scott looks much worse and needs to really step it up if he is town. I kinda get what WP was saying about swapping off TJ to GE, it was kinda my thinking as well. Still you guys probably shouldn't just write off our vote switches. Scott could have tried to distance himself from that vote given that a lot of people were scumreading him. He is experienced enough to know this. But it's realllllyyyy wifomy though and extremely high risk (assuming TJH is scum) given that scum are already down a player and he wouldn't stand a chance if he was the last scummer. I think Scott is actually LESS likely to be scum here from a VCA standpoint. He could be, yes, but less likely. Of course if TJH is town then Scott looks significantly worse. | ||
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On July 16 2015 07:11 Tictock wrote: Oh MD ninja voted did he? MD we need to start hearing about your reads man. You've been a terrible & unhelpful all game long and now it looks like you setup a last minuet vote switch to GE. Actually MD is probably the best lynch tomorrow if he does not explain himself in solid detail. I would never bring him into MyLo or LyLo with the way he's been playing. Scott is in that same boat, so between the 2 of them. TJ at least had decent content D1. Wrong, WonnaPlay hammered. What do you mean by MD set him up? Ninjavoting is shite though. But in your world, if MD is scum, it means he set up his own teammate Sulfurus to be lynched d1. Do you think he was faking his breadcrumbs and Sulfurus wanted to bus him d1? Why would a scum player purposely act scummy (referring to MD here)? If MD and Sulfurus were scum, why would Sulfurus slip like he did d1? He could have just said nothing. And TJ had content but some of it was questionable. | ||
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Starting point VCA Day 1 Sulfurus(4): Half the Sky, Fidei86, Kelsier SC, Noobking <--------likely pure wagon MoosyDoosy(3): Grokken, TJHuggins, Sulfurus NydusHerMain (1): silentwarrior Fidei86(1): NydusHerMain Not Voting(4): WonnaPlay, scott31337, GhandiEAGLE. MoosyDoosy Day 2 <4h to EoD GhandiEAGLE(4): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior TJHuggins(4): Ticktock, Noobking, MoosyDoosy, WonnaPlay Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE Not Voting(2): scott31337, TJHuggins Day 2 <40m to EoD GhandiEAGLE(5): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior, WonnaPlay TJHuggins(4): Noobking, MoosyDoosy, scott31337 Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE scott31337 (1): Tictock Not Voting(1): TJHuggins[/QUOTE] Day 2 EoD GhandiEAGLE(7): Grokken, Fidei86, Half the Sky, silentwarrior, WonnaPlay ,Ticktock, MoosyDoosy TJHuggins(2): Noobking, scott31337 Grokken(1): GhandiEAGLE Not Voting(1): TJHuggins Alright, give me some time to figure this out.... | ||
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