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On July 06 2015 11:32 KelsierSC wrote: ok damdred what do you think about LS's comment that scott is figured out later on in the game? It seems legitimate from the other game I played. Though perhaps I'm wrong, because we used him to mislynch for the win. | ||
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On July 06 2015 11:40 scott31337 wrote: You are actually going to have to be towny this game milo - BH will modkill you if you try that unvote cred in his game. >.< I'll find some other way to avoid it. Anything but projecting towny. | ||
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On July 06 2015 12:03 ruXxar wrote: Oatsy <3 I like where you're going so far. You're showing determination in your play. That's what I wanna see from you. Is there a difference between your mafia scum reads, or is everyone you call mafia equally mafia? I hate townreads like this. If he was mafia, you're telling him by continuing to be determined, you will read him town. Silly for town to do. | ||
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... The entire point of my post is that it is a scummy thing for rux to do. | ||
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Read the post pls. | ||
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Apologies. | ||
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QUOTE]On July 06 2015 11:07 milo109 wrote: I'm mildly certain Kelsier is scum. [/QUOTE] I read this: On July 06 2015 09:16 KelsierSC wrote: scptt fuck you On July 06 2015 08:00 KelsierSC wrote: aight, I can beleeee dat Dislike the dumb jokes. This is mildly amusing because my first read in my other game was based on tone too. On July 06 2015 11:20 milo109 wrote: Hmmm. I feel like I should post more but I don't have much more. Leaning town on Holyflare, and I want to call WaveofShadow also town. But I can't. I liked WaveofShadow just for his tone, but wasn't willing to pronounce him town for it. Holyflare's filter was a pleasure to read. No reads that felt discordant or forced. Casual enough, but also not afraid to explain. On July 06 2015 11:24 milo109 wrote: It's harder to read Damdred when you aren't mafia. I'm gonna call him mafia here though. He usually waits to start calling people trash. | ||
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On July 06 2015 11:21 LightningStrike wrote: Also I liking you this game KSC if you care just don't be a dick to me this game please? <3 On July 06 2015 22:23 LightningStrike wrote: Good morning Tina any thoughts you would like to share? | ||
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On July 07 2015 11:41 LightningStrike wrote: Milo I never played with you may I suggest you read the database for all my games minus Himalayas? There is a obvious lack of smily faces. Scummmm. On a more serious note, I just browsed a couple. Nothing excuses your posts, though I will admit that your over-cheerful attitude is disgustingly pervasive. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:05 Holyflare wrote: "god can't you read" or "he already said that" I didn't say anything close to that. Unless you are talking to someone else. | ||
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--It seems weird to interpret posting so narrowly. It is possible that he is burnt out mafia. But you could be just projecting. And frankly, I see no reason to trust what that others see things I don't see. At least at this stage of the game. Then there is the point about his questions which lead nowhere and have answers that he already knows about - you didn't address this point. --People use weird ways to establish points. I assume the point of the question is then not to attain information, but to see other's point of view on them. There have been a lot of dumb questions and responses in this thread. Look at LS's filter, for heaven's sake. You also misinterpret the point about his read on me. Him saying I am mafia has nothing to do with it. He has no logical reason to think I am mafia because he has not stated why I am mafia but instead just repeats that I am. Yet, he was quite happy to elaborate (although badly) on LS when asked but not anyone else. LS is an extremely easy person to push as town due to his nature. His list of reads do not really have substance behind them. You say "what differentiates them from a town with unexplained reads" and the answer is that a towny will try his best to explain when asked because what has he got to hide? Nothing. Trfel repeatedly hides things and says he won't reveal it or that he'll save it for later. He is playing very dishonest and mafia like. --Oh come off it. He is playing dishonest? What in the world does that even mean? I honestly think that being acerbic on the first day is towny. Why would mafia hide things, and refuse to explain? Anyone here is good enough to come up with at least a threadbare reason for their reads. Trfel isn't afraid of being lynched, and I like that. The idea of mafia as the furtive town in the corner is silly. Trolling isn't indicative, sure. I troll a lot. Trfel does not particularly troll and if you read the database you would see that even if he does troll he actually plays seriously and logically. --Trolling is fine as long as it doesn't get in the way of actual play. Trfel's has not. The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them. --LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. Trfel isn't even towny. Just not scummy enough to be worth going to the voting thread and changing my vote. I like believing in myself, especially early on. I'll cede that you have probably played with him for than I have, and may be right. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:30 Holyflare wrote: This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia. Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread? No idea. Maybe he made an honest mistake, maybe he is scum. | ||
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How in the world is being surprised at a cop claim that is in the form of a hashtag at all excusable? | ||
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On July 06 2015 07:34 LightningStrike wrote: That is a terrible role to claim Day 1 I don't even know what the hell is going on...... This too. I mean... he has played before. Quite a few times. How is it possible an experienced player doesn't know what is going on? | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: who gives a shit? Why did you unvote him if you still think hes mafia? I didn't | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:19 marvellosity wrote: i'm just going to quote myself because i think this is really notable and i'd like to know if i'm alone in this, it could be pretty important. That is odd. Someone town reading you is not a reason to do the same. Mafia do have to town read town. | ||
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On July 07 2015 20:30 Palmar wrote: That's super situational though. If someone townreads you for the right reasons it makes you feel super warm and fuzzy. Meh. Town shouldn't be playing to stay alive but rather to find mafia(unless a power role). | ||
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HF is weird. You're weird. LS is weird. Rsoultin is weird. Who knows if that is mafia indicative or not? | ||
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Damdred Scott Ritoky HF HtS Clarity Kelsier LS Rsoul Vaxx(whatever his name is) Hopefully I might be able to narrow that down a little. | ||
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On July 08 2015 03:19 Holyflare wrote: You REALLY can't understand why I think you're scummy??? After i've posted about 20 paragraphs about it and made a case? REALLY? Why do I care if you're impressed. If you town read Trfel and now I think his last post was honest and start town reading him why is your initial read of suspicion and how does that make sense for a mafia holyflare to even do. It doesn't, you're grasping at straws. You have no responses for any of the questions I raise. You misquote things, you take things out of context and then you try and spin it in a scummy way (milo post, ritoky actions) and then when I do it ONCE in this game (which isn't even true) you completely flip your read around. Your thoughts do not align with your actions. Your posts have no direction. Your scum read on milo did not progress in the slightest because you were "waiting for him to answer questions" despite him posting several times after that and I was asking him questions which you still didn't acknowledge. You keep posting how I am pushing milo but think you are also mafia which very likely makes me mafia but I am pushing milo and you think i'm mafia. That is the biggest double standard in this game. SO SO SO mafia double standardy in fact that i'm voting you. I don't even think that HtS took my words out of context, and I think his explanation of his lack of progress was reasonable, even though I still think he is scum. That first sentence of the third paragraph is so odd. When I read that I feel like I'm reading a mafia gloating about the fact that he found a genuine logic slip. Except that it doesn't actually make any sense. Even leaving aside the poor wording, mafia can push mafia. It isn't a double standard to believe it possible. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote: That's exactly what I'm saying lol!?!?!??! She scum read me because I was scum reading her and who she was pushing. Then she scum reads me and who I was pushing. It's a silly double standard but it is a contradiction of the thought pattern someone was having. She definitely did take your words out of context: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=109#2163 o.O I missed that. Alright. I agree that my plan to burn you all is still correct. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It tells us their alignments. So that's something. But like... we can always do that later. They're not going to help me figure out who is next. | ||
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I'm not sure it quite works that way. I think the problem might be that the only reference point people had was a mafia game, and I also have been traveling. I mean.. if LS and Rsoultin can get town read for what they are doing. | ||
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MZ HF LS Scott Rsoultin/Damdred This is in order of certainty. When I flip, remember remember the seventh of July. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:31 rsoultin wrote: lol massive associative read in other words xP to the MAX | ||
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Meh. Probably gonna be roleblocked and then mislynched. Trying to leave a legacy. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:43 Breshke wrote: Yeah and we can have other blue roles who didn't actually claim D1. Claiming cop doesn't mean you don't have to make sense. I did my best to be reasonable and coherent, and was forced to out because of it. I'll give my reads tonight, and explain them if you wish. When I die, they will probably be ignored. That's fine. But I think I'm at least supposed to try. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote: This hinges on MZ being mafia. Can you make a case on MZ being mafia at this point in time? Otherwise you have nothing. Er. Yes it does. Read the first two sentences please. Okay. The case on MZ! First, I think he was trying to buy town credit by not voting on BM. After all, all scum care about is self-preservation, right? He reallllly overplays it. On July 08 2015 07:05 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: and milo whatever the fuck you claimed in order to get the heat off of you is worthless in my mind until you can prove it. This is silly. It is impossible to prove a cop claim. Impossible to prove beyond any shred of doubt. Maybe if I get a red and we lynch him, I was only bussing, right? There is always a case to be made. On July 08 2015 07:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: ^honesty looks a lot better than fake surprise/indignation now let's wait for all the people who weren't around at the deadline to come in and say how bad we were and how they knew BM was town. Hey look at all the cuddles between the scum partners! On July 08 2015 09:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I think rsoultin is probably town and I also think the RS/HF dispute is green on green. idk about LS, not really on my radar but probably worth a read through when I finish. Fence/green reads on people who changed the wagon to BM. On July 08 2015 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I finally got to Milo's claim and for the record I think it's complete bullshit cc: the people who were asking me if I wanted to lynch a claimed cop earlier. He doesn't believe either claims? What, do we have no cop at all? Are we going to believe a cop that outs day 2? Probably with a green check on a partner? Also... inactive all game until he is about to be lynched. Explain it however you wish. Still weird. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:58 geript wrote: 1. They didn't lead the lynch on BM 2. Why did you hate them already? 1. I looked through the voting thread and compared it with my notes. 2. Cause they all played scummy. I didn't start the fire. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Even if you think there were people going out of their way to save MZ, why were they only scum for doing so and why can't they be town trying to save someone they think is town? It's the same concept. The theory you're bringing up COULD hold water, but even if it did you'd be able to make cases on those players anyway without the associative reads involved. I don't have time tonight. Trust in your power role. | ||
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It's an individual thing. As I said, I don't have time tonight to make full cases against all of them. Made a quick one against MZ. Holy has been MZ's buddy, and said some very odd things. I commented on some of them in an earlier post. LS... LS is the one I might be wrong on, but.... he plays so odd. SO odd. Scott has been making weird noises at everyone but not doing anything, quite different from our game together. The last two I dislike how they have been playing and how happy they were to jump on the new train. Damdred isn't usually this caustic. Remember, the truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution. | ||
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On July 08 2015 12:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: 1) Doesn't matter. He might not have thought BM was mafia. He still voted BM to save himself which is pretty much exactly what I would expect and "overplaying it" is irrelevant. No it isn't. I did the -exact- same thing as mafia last game. It is an easy way to gain town credit. 2) Your point on him doubting your claim doesn't mean a whole lot. People doubt claims. It's normal. No no. Doubting both claims is the weird thing. We do have cop(s). 3) I don't see how what MZ said to HF means that he can only be interacting with a scum partner. I thought the same thing about Hf's post, so why am I not mafia for saying something similar? Because you didn't town read MZ before hand and as a response. 4) There's no fence there. I don't really see the issue with this post. I thought the same thing about the Rso/HF fight. By itself, the quote is fine. But when used in context? MZ is picking the low-hanging fruit. | ||
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On July 08 2015 22:54 Holyflare wrote: I have no idea how you still scum read me for a post where I corrected your faulty knowledge and you agreed it was faulty. The ability to correct my logic does not prove your alignment either way. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:15 marvellosity wrote: fwiw i tihnk you are quite a bit townier than i thought you were towards end of day 1. besides we can't not lynch someone because you'd get in trouble for it, and i think you know that Yeah. I'll vote for him. But if he does flip town, mafia are in a perfect spot. | ||
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Quick note, as to why I reaction tested Clarity in particular, I thought he was the most scummy after MZ and HF. Hoped to see confirmation. But that is totally thrown out of whack by this. So I never get a check this entire game btw. Ugh. | ||
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On July 09 2015 11:17 Breshke wrote: So what exactly are you saying you believe? Town geript tracked town JK damdred to ritoky and ritoky was RB'd by damdred and you were rolelocked by mafia? Unless another town RBer wants to out, or mafia has two RBer, that's what I have to believe, odd as it is. | ||
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On July 09 2015 07:44 Harkon wrote: Do not try any bullshit. No plays, no tricks, no nothing. Did you really redcheck clarity? If you say yes then we will lynch you if you ever back out of it. This is also odd: I actually think that this is Damdred happy that he roleblocked a mafia. But... I have information that you don't have. That I'm town. On July 09 2015 07:44 Damdred wrote: And one of the cops has a red check on clarity hrmmm... My prideful side wants to say fuck yeah.... And then we have my favorite: Er... Holyflare.. Pls. This is not from a town point of view at all. On July 09 2015 07:52 Holyflare wrote: Yeh we are never not lynching you ever. This one is interesting: I actually think this post and the one below it means I'm wrong on MZ. Or I'm an idiot and did a reaction test on town. I'll have to think over which is more likely. On July 09 2015 07:51 Clarity_nl wrote: How about we just lynch milo and when he flips red we don't kill me? | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:22 Damdred wrote: Like, after I flip though just off of a gut reaction Milo is sorta soft defending me idk why he keeps saying oh I don't believe this at all. But I'm going to defend this guy because people make mistakes. It just feels off to me this game. Look at rsoultin who soft pushed me yesterday and part of the night and never really gives a read on me before the check besides soft I don't like x. It just feels mafia at this point with everything going on, I think hf is town and usually when hf and RS are town they shit fight. I think could be a scum here. Oats has been super opportunistic all game first with geript or rotating around, now he's focusing only on me. While I don't think this is that indicative its interesting and should be looked at. Geripts claim is real it feels like, I believe ritokys claim at this point over mills. just a few random thoughts while I'm on break Bro. My fate is tied to yours. Of course I'm defending you. You're just making it hard. | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Why did you drop it so early? Only like 4-5 people responded. Harkon scared me. | ||
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"You do not seek to kill me, Mafia scum?" called Milo, "Above such brutality, are you?" "We both know there are other ways of destroying a man, Milo." The mafia said calmly. "Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit – " "There is nothing worse than death, Mafia!" snarled Milo. "You are quite wrong," said the Mafia,"Indeed your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness –" Anyway. Away from the silliness. I think HF is mafia. I think there is a good probability that Scott is mafia. You as well. Harkon is bothering me too. The problem is, this game is so screwed up because of the claims. Until I know something for certain, there is no way to tell. Someone said something about them not killing me in the night on day 1, and I thought it was super scummy. I'll find it when I reread. I think I know the WIFOM reason Ritoky called me town, and that makes me think he is town as well. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:04 boxerfred wrote: Okay, So, milo claims to be blocked. My point stands. Fine with damdred as long as we don't forget/kill milo at night. ##unvote ##vote Damdred It's also fun how HF instareads me scum though I'm really trying to help. Also it's noteworthy that while the whole thread says "lynch damdred" I say "lynch milo" instead. would've been way easier for me to stick with damdred. What a rebel. So cool. Must be town. | ||
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Town Marvellosity geript ritoky Breshke Oatsmaster Damdred Mafia Scott31337 Holyflare boxerfred Clarity/MZ One of the many others. People I can't read because they play.. oddly rsoultin LightningStrike | ||
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Obviously if Damdred flips framer then we lynch Ritoky. But that is like a .1% percent chance. It would be mildly good for town. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:26 Holyflare wrote: You then proceeded to use extortionate amounts of tmi. Because he uses this read too. And it's dumb. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote: mafia could have shot you and jat could be mafia fake claiming the hit which lynches town jk damdred and probably milo after that (who could be town, yet super unlikely) thus they never expected you to get saved and had to make up some bs less than 0% chance but probably like 5% Wait wait wait. If he is fake claiming a hit and Damdred is JK I'm like confirmed town. Get outta here. I'm not scum if Damdred flips scum and scum if Damdred flips town. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:30 ritoky wrote: No, you're not understanding this. Harkon claimed veteran who had kp on him last night. So either he is mafia knowing the KP went on marv last night and is using the wifom to gain cred, or he is the veteran. He is on neither of your lists. So it makes 0 sense to me. He is scummy enough that I think it is quite possible he was fake claiming. But obviously I can't be certain. So he is neither town for me, or mafia. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:31 Holyflare wrote: you think i'm mafia so who gives a shit How is this the best player who has ever played on the site. O.o This is such an anti-town phrase. Down with people who refute arguments with well you're wrong on me. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:32 boxerfred wrote: If Harkon is fakeclaiming I'm ready to lose this game simply because of the #sickPlays. If he is fake claiming, I 100% believe you are mafia with him. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:35 Holyflare wrote: your blatant lies to the thread Is anyone else reading this? You said even if Damdred flipped town I 'could' be town, but it would be 'super unlikely'. Thus, it is super likely I am scum if Damdred flips town. Stop screaming everytime I even mention a problem in what you say. Whether or not you're town or mafia, it makes discussing points unpleasant. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote: I think I know the WIFOM reason Ritoky called me town, and that makes me think he is town as well. There is no "Harkon is bothering me". you either think he's lying about his claim or you do not. There is no grey.[/QUOTE] Of course there is grey. This is mafia. The game is about the grey. I think he is lying, but the odds tell me he is not. So I'm willing to wait for more evidence until I call him scum. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:36 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/488082-tl-mafia-lxxi-gaiden?page=212#4222 respond to this milo because it quite blatantly points out your lapse in logic There is no lapse in logic. I said I had you as scum day 1. You said I did it for wrong reasons. That's an opinion, not fact, unlike my statement. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote: You know what's unpleasant? Knowing you're 100% mafia and having to listen to you write all of these posts that require responding to. Dispute the case that I just presented to you. The fun of this game is being able to argue your point of view out over those you think are scum. Not using hyperbole and hysterics to attempt to derail any conversation. You can't know I'm 100% mafia, because I'm not. Even if you were cop and had a red check on me, you still could not be certain due to the framer. So do me and the rest of town a favor and be willing to consider that 1% .1% chance that I'm town. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:43 Holyflare wrote: There is lapse in logic. You said you scum read me for a reason which was wrong. I corrected that reason and you agreed. You still scum read me for that reason. You also did not have mz in your list of scum reads but you became so suddenly certain that MZ was mafia that you decided to base everything off of that. You ignore the fact that i'm pushing the majority of your scum reads and still scum read me. You can say "oh but mafia can push their buddies" like you did last time but there is absolutely no way that you think i'm mafia with both HtS AND rsoulting. No way. It doesn't make sense. You then say that even though I was pushing your scum list and the reason you originally scum read me for disappeared that I'm still scum anyway because my play is so obvious? What is so obvious about it and what makes it so scummy since you know, pushing your list of scum reads doesn't sound scummy to me. I think you have a misunderstanding of logic. I no longer scum read you because of that post. Logic is using facts to derive others. It's not about opinions. Unless I was blatantly lying, I had no lapse in logic. And I wasn't. I no longer think you are mafia with HtS and rsoultin. The thing about your play now is the way you stick by your reads even in the oddest of hypotheticals, in the weirdest of conspiracies, when common sense should tell you otherwise. Also.. this whole train of quotes is full of play that is either from the point of view of mafia, or a town that just wants to be called town instead of winning the game. | ||
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The use of the TMI argument on me. I think it's really quite indicative of mafia. Don't like the way he has been sheeping HF, and haven't liked his posts. That's all. Not enough to be certain. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:51 Holyflare wrote: what if i told you i was cheating and know you're mafia? Then I'd say you were bad at it. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:50 boxerfred wrote: erm that's actually as close a TMI as it gets, yep If you hadn't noticed, I've had to type quite fast to answer all of this. There is the possibility of the framer, which is what I meant. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:56 boxerfred wrote: are you in a hurry? take your time to read and think. I have dinner soon. And there hasn't been much to think about. Holy's accusations are not exactly stimulating. | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:58 Holyflare wrote: No. You DID scum read me because of that post even after I corrected you. It's in my case right there for all to see, the quote you used. What's wrong with me sticking by my reads? I think marv pointed out excellent points on MZ at night and it made me rethink my read on you and decide that from your perspective as someone in your SECOND game that coming up with "that was definitely a deflection off of mafia mz" before mz had even really done anything (and his posts weren't that bad at the time) made absolutely no sense in the slightest. That is your first instance of TMI. Then, today, you fake claim on clarity and get a towny reaction from it and still call him mafia for nothing. You see damdred getting screwed over by Geript and in a world where you see JAT getting shot as veteran you STILL call damdred town????? It doesn't make sense at all. You seem to think that there is a veteran a banisher a jailkeeper and 2 cops and that's all been revealed in one/two cycles? Every post you make just oozes of you knowing what happened at night and making decisions based off of that. There is no confusion behind your posts. There is no confusion because this entire game has been about whether or not the claims are real. And I know that I am real. Also, obviously the switch off of MZ was suspicious. I tried to freaking lynch him. Read my past posts if you want to know why it was suspicious. I'm off to make a case on Scott. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote: How on earth was it suspicious in the slightest? MZ starts posting, Bill Murray has posted nothing and has claimed wanderer as mafia in the past. Why is that suspicious and don't you dare just say go check my past posts. Re-answer this if you have already because I don't see anything suspicious about it in the slightest. That it would be organized and happen to so quickly. MZ was acting odd by not wanting to lynch BM. Why? Nobody seemed to ask that question. BM didn't even try to defend himself. How is that more mafia than what MZ had done? BM had CLAIMED A ROLE. Why would you lynch him first? | ||
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On July 10 2015 05:57 ritoky wrote: For the love of God, please just do this milo. If you're town this argument is just shitting up the thread right now: scott, BF, clarity, and MZ were all on your list. pick one and go. Sorry. Lots to address. Who is BF? Am I blanking? Anyway. The case on Scott.. I only just started and I found this gem, On July 07 2015 03:40 scott31337 wrote: I know it was a joke but was it to get distracted off of rsoul? It sure feels that way... I'm only at page 58 - here's my spreedsheet of love. 1) Marvellosity townie after the morning 2) Scott31337 town 3) WaveofShadow Voted HF weirdly 4) Clarity_nl mixed it with HF / slight town 5) ruXxar slight town 6) Vivax Meh/null of scum defends trfel 7) Bill Murray wanderer claim 8) ritoky slight town 9) geript slight town 10) boxerfred null meh posts fakeclaim cop to distract from rsoul. 11) Meapak_Ziphh 12) Trfel Crap start but can be a big poster too 13) LightningStrike Meh/Damdred brings up good conclusions on his meta / looking up cases 14) Palmar Called boxerfred town which I don’t like/believe in 15) ObiWanShinobi Bad vote on HF / scumlean 16) KelsierSC Trying to think the game / townlean 17) milo109 scumlean ,towns HF / Oats / Wave 18) Breshke Ehh 19) Oatsmaster Says Clarity /WoS mafia 20) Damdred Slight town going after LS 21) rsoultin not a great defense when pressured, scumlean 22) Half The Sky miller claim / decent listpost 23) Harkon Smurf - maybe JAT? Ehhh 24) Holyflare Mindmelt opening - town 25) XEliteBlueHunter69X I'll be back in a couple hours after I eat and finish the thread. He slight town reads everybody but Holyflare. Odd. The only person he calls scum is rsoultin, OWS and I. Millions of town leans can be indicative of mafia. He lobs a softball to MZ, and then says this later, On July 08 2015 06:52 scott31337 wrote: I want to go back to Ziphh Why? He offered Ziphh another day to play. Why did he want to switch back? Also... Why does no one call Scott on TMI? -_- I'm not, because I think it's a dumb argument. But you notice that they only used the TMI on me. And then his latest post is an attempted catch on me that is dumb. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:13 Holyflare wrote: why do you ignore the part of the post that explains why people would lynch bm for claiming a role and ask why we would lynch bm for claiming a role? Why is it suspicious that MZ doesn't want to lynch BM in the slightest? Like your whole argument is that "It's totally suspicious that mz doesn't want to lynch bm! you guys are scummy for wanting to lynch bm!" if you're talking about logic good sir, that has 0 of it Here. I will make this very simple. If you are town and there is a obvious choice between you and one other person, you always try to switch to them. You know why? You -know- you are town. You might think they are the towniest person on the planet, but there is still the chance that they are mafia. Unless you're cheating of course. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:15 Holyflare wrote: i can't help it, i'm really in a bad mood and whenever i post something someone else does some silly shit or calls me mafia and it just puts me right back in that bad mood i want an actual game of people that listen to things i contribute or at least converse with me about why they are wrong or right but instead it's little quips or just flat out ignoring or calling me scummy or just hard defending the person i'm bringing up points on while shit fighting with me I've done my best to respond to your posts in a reasonable manner. You're the one who escalated this. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:18 Holyflare wrote: nah this is bull shit you scum read everyone for wanting to switch to bm you scum read mz for wanting to not switch to bm now you scum read scott for wanting to stay on mz ^^ ok dude OK now you're over simplifying. We'll get there. I scum read everyone for wanting to switch to BM because he was a bad choice. I scum read MZ for not switching to BM because he was the only choice. And I scum read Scott for it because of the contradiction in his own words. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:18 Holyflare wrote: Okay? I don't know they are scum either. [/QUOTE] :o | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:20 Holyflare wrote: so why do you completely bypass my original post all over again: how is BM a bad choice when he's done the exact same thing as mafia before Because while he might be fake claiming, and there is always the possibility, the chance of that is lower than the one that MZ is mafia. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:21 ritoky wrote: The rest is meh to me and seems like fairly arbitrary reasons to put someone on your mafia list.... I mean. I don't have much to work with with him. I also hate filter dives. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:24 ritoky wrote: Then why did he make your "scum" list with only 4 other people.....wat? If you didn't have much to work with, then why is he scum over 20 other people? Didn't like his posts. That's how I read people. How much sense their posts make to me. To be fair, I might be biased. 70% of his posts are calling me mafia. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:30 Clarity_nl wrote: I believe it, why would damdred lie, makes no sense. Soooo.... Let's start discussing our lynch as if it's true. Milo, yes? Let's go. Er... I'm pretty sure you could guess this? HF. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:32 geript wrote: First things first. Who got gunned today? O.O | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Alright milo. So tell me this, do you believe they're masons? If yes, do you still think ritoky is town? I have no idea for the first. Gript pls. Confirm or deny. Even then.. I don't know. It is odd as hell. If yes.. Then odd things happen. I think ritoky is town. I think we have two cops. So yes. Screw you all. Ritoky is town. | ||
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On July 10 2015 06:46 Clarity_nl wrote: He might be???? If he is lying about the mason claim then he IS. But why would he, literally makes no sense at all. I still believe geript is being dumb. Like.. But if he is scum.. Who roleblocked me? Is it back to two RB being the only world? | ||
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Breshke Sigh. Town kelsier Sigh. Town waveofshadow mafialean vivax mafialean boxer Mafia trfel town | ||
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Rsoul: Has played in a immature fashion, but hasn't done anything about the claims at all. Which is weird. But towny. Besides.. Pretty sure she'll vote for HF. Can't go alienating my base, can I? How will I win the general election then? Breshke: Can't remember anything of notice that Breshke did, but I remember having a vague town vibe on him earlier. He woulda been null if you allowed it. Kelsier: Rsoul with less emoticons. Waveofshadow: Makes weird posts, afks at bad times, and then comes back to pretend to be useful but not. Vivax: Sheeping other people, I can't remember a single post this guy has made. Seems fine for a fifth member. Boxer: Yo... Some of his posts are so odd though. He's one of those who think I'm mafia no matter what. Isn't willing to do what is best for town at the expense of looking away from me for a moment. Probably mafia. Trfel: I've liked the guy for most of the game. Hasn't changed. Seems like a solid afk town. | ||
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On July 10 2015 12:29 scott31337 wrote: @Milo - Rsoul: Has played in a immature fashion, but hasn't done anything about the claims at all. Which is weird. But towny. Besides.. Pretty sure she'll vote for HF. Can't go alienating my base, can I? How will I win the general election then? Tell me more about this and why you feel that way. She scumreads HF and will vote for him so you like her, is this correct? I feel like I'm in a therapy session. If you read the first two sentences you would see I like for more reasons as well. That helps though. I doubt I'll be able to lynch HF before I die, but it would be nice to have others to carry on my torch. I don't think her play earns her the right to be called town, but as I look back I like it. I'll do filter dives once in a while, but I won't elaborate much more than this on any read. I don't play that way. You can lynch me for it if you want. After all, the truth is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution | ||
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Confirmed:xP Oats Trfel EBH Ritoky Scumdred geript LS Harkon. Sigh. Marvel Ruxxar My lynch order: HF Boxer Clarity Scott Vivax WoS MZ HtS OWS Kelsier Breshke Whoever I forgot | ||
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Perhaps I'm used to video mafia. I hear you forum people get less roles. | ||
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Clarity, I never saw that. I'll respond to it over lunch. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:21 ruXxar wrote: I don't particularly like milo's play up until this point. The things I didn't like primarily was his push on LS, and his interaction with damdred was strange. I'll have to re-evaluate that from a standpoint of him actually being a real cop, seemed strange how certain he was that damdred was the real JK though. In general I don't like the tone of his posts. I made a tone-read earlier: Meh. It's really hard to stay interested as a cop when you're forced to out day 1 and then this BS has happened. I haven't had a chance to play. My reads are discounted, which they will continue to be until I flip. It's a measure of my frustration at this game that I considered faking a check for tomorrow, and holding to it until I die. Then when you realize I'm the actual cop, you actually have to lynch my scum read. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:04 Clarity_nl wrote: Ok so town!milo has an interesting point of view here. He's the only person that knows he is cop while everyone else is in doubt. Ritoky claimed 1-shot cop halfway through day 1 when pressure started to build on him, milo claimed 2-shot cop near the end of day 1 when it looked like he was the main wagon. Day 2 starts and ritoky immediately claims he was roleblocked. town!milo was roleblocked. Obviously town would never roleblock him (having a JK defending him is not a thought anyone would have) so he should be feeling like ritoky is very likely lying at this point. However, somehow his first instinct when hearing about ritoky being roleblocked as well as him, is to: Test Clarity and Holyflare? So right away I have trouble putting this in town!milo's actions. He should be out to lynch ritoky and push him, not do some fake check/just kidding I was roleblocked and then leave to go look at responses later. Keep in mind that town!milo believes he was roleblocked by scum, so faking a redcheck on me would not make HF or myself slip up as scum, so the whole thing doesn't make much sense. I have never in this entire game truly believed ritoky scum. Hey look TMI. Or being able to read people. Probably the former though, right? :> So I wanted to see how mafia would react to a red check they obviously knew was fake. He comes back and Damdred has claimed JK on ritoky at this point: Okay so this all makes sense from town!milo's perspective: "I now know that ritoky was roleblocked by damdred. I know that I was roleblocked by mafia. Making the reasonable assumption that scum do not have two roleblockers, this means that Damdred is in fact the town JK." However he then says Ritoky is now confirmed scum. This would make night actions as follows: 1 scum kp on Palmar 1 scum kp on marv damdred JK > ritoky scum RB > milo However, milo overlooks that town!milo would consider that scum roleblocked him, damdred JK > ritoky and scum kp > ritoky. This is what makes sense if both him and ritoky are cops, otherwise scum would just let ritoky get a check off. This should be a consideration for town!milo and only for him, because he is confirmed cop. He claimed he believed ritoky but he can't be cop, yet didn't see the obvious night actions that would have ritoky be cop. I mentioned this multiple times as a possibility, before Harkon claimed. Afterwards... I think you know that this renders this impossible. WAIT. WTF. I MENTIONED IN THE NEXT QUOTE THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS POSSIBLE SCUM KP > RITOKY. Worst Case NA How does town!milo want to believe that ritoky is town, but he does not see that scum could have roleblocked him and shot ritoky?? Er... I did a typo in the above quote. Obviously there wouldn't be a KP on a mafia ritoky. It was meant to be isn't. It's because scum!milo is pretending to be town!milo. Meaningless sentence is meaningless In whatever world town!milo lives, either there are two scum roleblockers (and one of them is Damdred) or Damdred is JK. This should mean to him that if Damdred is JK he is less likely to get lynched because a roleblock on him makes much more sense, however he says the opposite. Milo is correct here. However he did not say "you have to be town because of the information I have", he says "my fate is tied to you". His phrasing throughout day 2 has been like this. - Ritoky is like confirmed mafia in my world. - Unless another town RBer wants to out, or mafia has two RBer, that's what I have to believe, odd as it is. - So.. I have to defend Damdred here, despite the fact that he is the worst JK ever if he is one. People make mistakes.. Milo is talking as if he is considering someone else's point of view: scum!milo is trying to think like town!milo. Lol. Pls. I'm narrating my thoughts. tl;dr: Milo is scum. He did not call out ritoky immediately when he said he was roleblocked, despite not believing in two scum roleblockers. He is having trouble figuring out how town!milo would view the game and he makes statements that show he does not really believe what he's saying but he's "forced to" go along this path. tl;dr Case lacking any actual substance. It looks big and strong but all of the points are little nitpicks that he hopes will strike home. Why is there no mention of TMI? Of me hard defending Damdred? Of all the other fun scummy stuff I did? | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:46 ruXxar wrote: What do you want to know? I think it's a suboptimal play from a mafia trying to survive. Keep in mind that this was before geript outed. I think the mechanically correct play as mafia is to fake a greencheck/redcheck and then stick with it. Rescinding the check and saying that you got roleblocked is trying to sell the world of there being either 2 mafia RBs or 1 Mafia RB + 1 jailer. I think that is a low percentage play, so I'm not a fan of it. If in some very odd, very parallel universe, you did not automatically assume I was mafia, what would you read from the check? | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:51 ruXxar wrote: I'm not sure what you mean specifically. Can you clarify? Your response to the check was under the assumption that I was mafia. Under the assumption that I was null, what would your response be? | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:54 rsoultin wrote: lol >< wave's filter holy hell. he asked vig to shoot him; maybe they should I mean. I can sympathize. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:58 Holyflare wrote: You should simply read the game rsoultin because you are missing the night posts where milo horrendously tmi's up the thread with mz reads and mz tmi's up the thread with milo and ritoky reads and you're missing all of the fun bits that are actually useful to this game. Plus some truly fun pointless arguments. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:10 ruXxar wrote: From a real cop perspective that actually got role-blocked, then you know you're pretty much not going to get any checks off until you die. I think the play I would make is to just fake a red on the most scummy player on my list and stick with it. You know you are 100% town, and everyone else is below 100%, so you have to trust in your own reads. In that case I think you made the right play with faking the red-check, but screwed up when you rescinded. Probably. | ||
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On July 12 2015 06:15 ruXxar wrote: Hello friend. We need to talk. Mind answering my questions from earlier? I did it because it seemed cool, I gained scum reads on clarity and HF, and I rescinded because Harkon scared me. | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:23 milo109 wrote: Remember, Mafia knows I'm fake claiming. This was the one I had the hardest time contemplating. On one hand, it seems odd that he knows to do this instantly. On the other, this is playing right in to the fake claim trap. I -think- this makes Harkon townier, unless he is out metaing me. This is also odd: I actually think that this is Damdred happy that he roleblocked a mafia. But... I have information that you don't have. That I'm town. And then we have my favorite: Er... Holyflare.. Pls. This is not from a town point of view at all. This one is interesting: I actually think this post and the one below it means I'm wrong on MZ. Or I'm an idiot and did a reaction test on town. I'll have to think over which is more likely. | ||
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On July 12 2015 11:51 rsoultin wrote: meeeh actually, milo...can you also address your read on rit? you were happy to lynch him after his claim...third scumread i believe...but then you changed your mind and i couldn't find anything in your filter to explain that change other than claiming cop yourself? His WIFOM read on me. I understand what it is, and why he doesn't want to say it. | ||
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On July 12 2015 11:43 rsoultin wrote: nh can you flesh any of these out for me? i don't actually have a ton to talk about today, but if you're actually town here and we're making a mistake, it would be nice to have your thoughts, and i'll talk to you about them as much as you want? Not in the mood for filter dives, but happy to chat. I wrote earlier on that either Clarity or MZ was mafia. It was just based on the reaction of clarity, and how hard he went after MZ. Pretty certain on that read now. HF... HF and I have had quite a few chats. I think his play is obviously abrasive and dismissive, and he is leading town the wrong way. Into mafia land. Boxer just feels off to me.. Scott is the same. I would lynch them in the order that I listed. | ||
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On July 13 2015 05:22 ruXxar wrote: With this attitude you will be for sure. I hate the martyr charade. What if it isn't a charade O.o what if this is reality? | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:05 Clarity_nl wrote: On the off chance that you are town you should actually do things that people can read, after you flip. Or you can just continue claiming mafia, that's fine too. Okay. HF is mafia. I have never played with HF before, I have no fear of HF. This is not paranoia. The way he has been attempting to steer town is wrong, his points always focus on the minutiae, as he nitpicks to find reasons to mafia read people. The way he wavered on me today was incredibly odd considering that earlier on he said that he was sure I was confirmed mafia. I certainly haven't played towny since then. HF has been abrasive towards people that question him, and has WIFOM'd like crazy. Anyone that reads him mafia is doing it for baseless reasons and is mafia themselves, apparently. TLDR: Lynch HF when I flip. | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:06 Holyflare wrote: Whwn will you explain your reads not changing despite mz flipping the opposite alignment? I didn't even remember my old reads when I made that new list. I must have picked up on something back then that was correct | ||
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On July 14 2015 01:16 Holyflare wrote: So what you're saying is that because you're town that people shouldn't waver on you being mafia at all? its a mafia trait to be unsure when (to you at least) everyone is wrong? I don't think you have the correct approach to what makes someone mafia if that is the case. Despite that, me being "sure" someone is mafia and backing off that is also not something i do as mafia ever because you would be by far amd large the easiest mislynch in this game right now. But this will go through without you, as I"m sure you're smart enough to realize. You'll also realize that when I flip town, people will look at who was most certain about my lynch. Which is about everyone, but still you're the careful sort of mafia. You decide to defend me today, so you can separate yourself from a clear mislynch, and use the position of high ground to throw scum on the others who did push me. | ||
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On July 14 2015 03:11 ruXxar wrote: @HF: It's hard to determine milo's alignment when he isn't even willing to defend himself or participate in answering questions. Ask me a question. | ||
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On July 14 2015 04:40 Holyflare wrote: Lol i really don't understand how you can be mid way through telling me why I'm mafia and then i ask you some questions and you disappear and don't remember anything about it? This question doesn't make sense? How can I? By falling asleep, getting bored, or a variety of other things. Why would I? Because like quite a few others, I'm not very invested in this game? | ||
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On July 14 2015 04:54 Holyflare wrote: You didn't fall asleep at that point because you returned to the thread previously and ruxxar asked you questions. Other people aren't invested because you are trolling this game and don't have a single coherent thought process. Why bother coming back to the thread if you don't care? If you do care why don't you respond to the questions you KNOW are still there for you to answer? I'm not precisely trolling, I'm merely expressing my views honestly, without any filters. If people don't enjoy those thoughts, or the processes that lead to them, then they can lynch me or disagree with me or yell at me. I do like to think they are coherent though. As for the questions, well. There is two hours until the lynch and no way for me to be saved. Once I flip, just remember: Lynch HF Then Clarity Then Boxer then figure out the last one. | ||
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You're steering town wrong as a whole, leaving aside today. Rsoultin is no longer in my scum reads, mostly because there is so much space. You're not being wrong in the most literal sense of the word, but instead making mountains out of molehills. I think that's mafia indicative. I also hate the tone I get from your posts, but that may be a personal problem since I feel that way about quite a few people. What do you mean, the opposite effect? People pushing on town look mafia. People defending town look town. | ||
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On July 14 2015 05:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Like I would have been sad if damdred flipped JK but I'll feel pretty mad if milo flips cop. I guess this is the thing about normal games rather than minis, scummers gonna scum and lurkers gonna lurk. Get ready to be mad. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:02 Holyflare wrote: I've been giving him possible outs all day. It's his fault if he flips town for not really giving a shit and trying his hardest. Trying to answer your questions is like ramming my head into a quite stubborn brick wall, except brick walls usually don't respond with a lol everytime you do it. | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:12 Clarity_nl wrote: If that were true you would have called ritoky scum the moment he claimed RB. Checkmate atheists I was busy doing other things. But you are correct, it was an error in my logic. | ||
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On July 14 2015 04:40 Holyflare wrote: Lol On July 14 2015 01:21 Holyflare wrote: Lol? | ||
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Also... Do your maligned cop a favor, and Lynch HF | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:21 rsoultin wrote: um, milo...just cause someone "lolz" in a post doesn't mean that's the main point of the post? like, whatcha doing? Do I have anything else to do? | ||
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On July 14 2015 06:48 Clarity_nl wrote: If Harkon flips scum I kinda feel bad for both of you. I do think he's gonna flip vet, but I never eliminated the possibility. If they both flip scum, I totally think you're mafia. I won't be here but.. remember. | ||
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To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure. | ||
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