EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden
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On July 06 2015 08:01 WaveofShadow wrote: ##vote: Holyflare ya fuck that guy imo | ||
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My vote is serious now. | ||
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On July 06 2015 08:51 scott31337 wrote: What do you think about Obi's shit vote? It leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but would he really try that as scum? Marv only has this one post. Marv isn't looking good and we know how much he loves rolling mafia. Marv looks worse than HF right now. hmmm This seems like a major overreaction tbh. Why are you so pissy about my vote? Honestly marv doesn't really look like anything, but Hf calling him out when nothing has happened seems a bit out of the ordinary. I'd imagine town!Hf wouldn't even care about Marv at all considering what an easily-resolved player he is. | ||
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On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote: I will never back down from this You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun  Just popping in to say that I know this feeling and it's happened to me before. | ||
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I don't really feel like committing to stuff. Maybe tomorrow. | ||
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The only thing I'll agree on is his entry being kinda bad but that's about it. | ||
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On July 06 2015 23:50 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah seems I somehow missed it, my bad. You still have your vote on HolyFlare... Why, exactly? I explained it. Though I'm probably gonna move it to sheep marv. | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:22 ritoky wrote: Can someone tell me why OWS is town? And why his drive-by posting is being ignored, but mine wasn't. Thanx. I wasn't actually ignored - I was shit on by like 5 different players as soon as I entered the thread. If you're talking about why people aren't calling me mafia, well, /shrug. I don't have a good answer for you. Maybe I'm just playing better? Plus, I'm borderline impossible to meta, so. Anyhoezels. I noticed you claimed cop and I'll move my vote now. | ||
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You make the thread unreadable when you fight like this. | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:30 Half the Sky wrote: There you are! If you can answer my questions when you have the chance that would be grand. Which ones? | ||
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Something Holyflare said earlier about him was what I agreed with. If I can find it on a reread I'll quote it. | ||
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I don't see how the changes in his play in response to pressure are scummy. I don't think his townread on Damdred is weird. What else do you have? | ||
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On July 07 2015 09:49 LightningStrike wrote: I see HF trying to make sense of the stuff rsoul is just being a douche to him atm which could mean 1 of them is scum based on past experience regarding them. Who is scummier, though? | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:00 LightningStrike wrote: Well maybe rsoul but yet HF is known as a good scum player so idk exactly. Who you think is scummier and why? I don't think either of them are scummy, and either way this is besides the point. Do me a solid and find the scum between them or talk about something else. I'm not a fan of fencesitters. | ||
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On July 07 2015 10:14 milo109 wrote: Okay. Reading rsoultin's filter and... does he always play with an smiley-face/lol in almost every post? It's rubbing me the wrong way. Yes. | ||
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On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote: How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote. Probably not. | ||
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On July 07 2015 11:56 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I am surprised no one has brought up Lightningstrike's curious response when asked about his scumreads...Trfel and me being his top scumreads makes very little sense to begin with, and his reasons on top of it leave a lot to be desired. He could have simply stated he was sheeping HF but he made up a poor reason that seems convoluted. I think if by some miracle trfel is town then LS would be a pretty good lynch to look at. Elaborate? | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:14 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: You would have to explain what you specifically wanted to know. My conclusion is that it's clearly a tug of war here and one side contains a mafia, which I am siding with the side saying trfel is mafia. If he is town it is worth looking at the other side for mafia of course. It's a bit simplistic but I feel it works in this particular situation That's the most opportunistic thing I've ever heard someone say. | ||
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You can't have both. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:26 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: it isn't and I surely can, hyperbolic statements aren't going to sway me from my opinion. as an aside, the last time you told some one to "Elaborate?" you were scum so not sure what to make of that. Except the point is that you're capitalizing on a fight between two players, which is scummy. I don't even understand your point on me asking someone to elaborate one time when I was scum. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:33 milo109 wrote: Damn. My filter is small. Quick. Give me something else to argue about. Talk about EBH. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:41 milo109 wrote: This too. I mean... he has played before. Quite a few times. How is it possible an experienced player doesn't know what is going on? It's not like the host hands out the scumlist to every townie in the game. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:51 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: I don't see how having a fight exempts you from any additional pressure. if that was true fighting with your team in thread would be the ultimate god tier strategy. the latter was just me doing a quick scan for speech patterns you exhibit, it could also be seen as a potshot to see if you backed off once I started looking at you more closely 1) This still reads like an excuse not to pick a side, and it's still scummy. 2) Okay I guess. Who else is mafia? | ||
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I still want to lynch him. | ||
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Same thing when geript does it. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:07 Holyflare wrote: if you have an idea about any of those people then feel free to contribute It's not the fact that you have no idea about them. It's the fact that you keep namedropping so many people as to make them look suspicious. I'm not lynching you today over a useless person but it's something I'm going to keep in mind. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:11 Holyflare wrote: like "hf looks weird for name dropping the people he thinks are scummy when asked for a list of people he thinks are scummy" is that what you're saying obi? Too many names for not enough reasons. But if you feel like dumbing down my argument and saying that it's about you responding about scumlists, then sure. | ||
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Specifically the ones where he fencesits on the whole "Trfel/LS" fight and adds both to his lynch list. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:14 Holyflare wrote: and how have my reads got no reasons? did you even ask for my reasons? i think i've explained pretty much that entire list during my filter I didn't say no reasons. I don't particularly care about your reasons. Too many scummy people for not enough reasons. I don't understand why you're so concerned about this. It's something that's resolved with time either way and it's not even a high priority for me. | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:19 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, there was this part of his original post that i liked: I also thought the Vivax/geript thing was a little weird to be mafia in the same post. maybe the Trfel/LS stuff is weird but i don't know if or why it's scummy weird. feel free to tell me why you think so I still think he was capitalizing on a fight between two players, which always reads as mafia keeping their options open. His response was that he couldn't really come up with reasons to scumread LS when asked. He has no mafiareads outside of those two at this point in time. I'm expecting some sort of follow-up or something but...Nothing. At any rate I think it's a better lynch than a lynch on people who post stuff and ask questions. Can you tell me why the vivax/geript thing is too weird to be mafia? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:24 marvellosity wrote: does anyone think ritoky is town outside his claim? or at least, i should rephrase, are there posts that might make you think he could be? I'm biased in that he read me as town. But doesn't his situation resolve itself? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Just it reads very non-routine, not formulaic, bit conspiracyish. I don't really understand how that's towny though? | ||
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On July 08 2015 00:37 Harkon wrote: I do not even think it is that weird. It is a pretty good observation that geript was not reacting to Vivax calling him scum nonstop. Definitely Jat. | ||
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Meh to this. | ||
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Try again town. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote: maybe you should read this game where she was mafia and behaved in much the same way http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?user=Half the Sky Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:17 Holyflare wrote: that you are clearly basing your read on her ability to post walls of text and that you aren't sheeping my superior read for no good reason Saying your read is superior without telling me why isn't helping. Tell me what I'm supposed to be seeing. | ||
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On July 08 2015 02:43 WaveofShadow wrote: This is kind of weird. I don't know if I've ever heard anyone say that before. I'm not really considering meta anyway especially when I have little to no experience with you. I don't think she's weird for saying that - she said it in Aperture and was town. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:34 ritoky wrote: Can we just go back to what I was saying before this milo thing happened? A no-lynch is worse than lynching a 1-shot cop imo. So please consolidate on me or HtS. I do not want a no-lynch on day 1, it is awful. Do you guys really think mafia makes this post? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 marvellosity wrote: yes, for the reason you're asking this question. mafia say this all the time in fact. Do they though? I've never seen it. Ever. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:45 ritoky wrote: i REALLY think milo is also a cop now, for reasons i can't say Uh? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:46 Vivax wrote: Obi I don't believe you really believe that mafia isn't able to say that. It doesn't make sense though. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:46 Clarity_nl wrote: Yes. It seems super desperate. Town should be going "FUCKING LYNCH HTS OBV SCUM WTF ARE YOU GUYS DOING", not martyring the shit out of themselves. It is literally the exact opposite of desperate. What you think town should be doing and what town actually does are two completely different things. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:49 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm just saying mafia can make this post, the post in itself does not make mafia. But I do think ti looks desperate. I agree town doesn't always does what it should but this whole "I'm town, lynching confirmed town is better than no-lynching" is very likely to come from scum. No, I don't really think so. Martyring almost always comes from town. | ||
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This is bullshit and you know it. Not everyone is you. | ||
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Yes it does? | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:53 Holyflare wrote: ritoky was in that game ritoky saw me martyr and lynch the town cop ritoky recreates? how is that bull shit??? There's nothing here that indicates that ritoky is mafia for doing so. | ||
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On July 08 2015 04:53 Vivax wrote: And you point this out to push what lynch instead? I'm working on it. I'm still of the mind to kill EBH. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:13 boxerfred wrote: bluehunter disappeared, bringing him up hereby. I've been doing this for a while. Thoughts? | ||
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I'd lynch him over the claimed cops at this point. | ||
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I can see him doing that as mafia though. Meh. Wait-and-see. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:30 geript wrote: BM has claimed in a game with Vivax (both might've even been mafia) and he just sat back like this. So yah. Yeah, I was on their scumteam. BM carried the whole game. It literally wouldn't surprise me at all if he were mafia. | ||
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Why? | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:36 ritoky wrote: Obi, show me the path. Who should I be voting on? Someone else. I'm not going to have the time to divert this lynch because I've got work really soon but I'll be around to vote. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:37 marvellosity wrote: we could just lynch MZ There's literally no downside. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:43 marvellosity wrote: yeah it doesn't feel like a high percentage play right now when we know we can get so much more out of her at a later point This is how I feel about the rso lynch. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:45 milo109 wrote: Am I the only one who thinks a MZ/BM lynch tells us literally nothing? It tells us their alignments. So that's something. | ||
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On July 08 2015 05:50 milo109 wrote: But like... we can always do that later. They're not going to help me figure out who is next. Should just do it now tbh. The downside of being wrong on an active player is always, always worse than killing someone that won't post and won't do things. Information lynches are spectacular and I love backing them, but there aren't that many despite the amount of associative reads being thrown around (which I, myself, put no stock into because associatives are hard to determine as a whole and most people get them wrong anyway) | ||
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Good luck everyone. I'll be around and reading if I can but expect nothing. | ||
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Christ. | ||
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On July 08 2015 07:04 Holyflare wrote: lol all of these fake reactions i literally couldn't give a shit if he flipped town Yeah seriously. That was a fine day 1 lynch. | ||
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Someone who defends themselves is always more valuable than someone that doesn't play. Anyhoezels. I can back a Clarity lynch tomorrow. EBH should be on the list as well. I have my doubts about Harkon. The cop claims are likely to resolve themselves with time, so who cares even. | ||
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Possibly mafia!boring. | ||
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On July 08 2015 11:52 milo109 wrote: This is operating under the assumption that MZ is mafia. I can explain that if others can't see what I see, but... to me it is pretty clear. So, what do mafia do if they know their buddy is about to get mislynched? They throw out any other reasonable alternative. In this case, BM. It obviously follows that some of the first to start the lynch on BM were scum partners. I chose those I thought were most scummy while also being the earliest to switch. I 100% think holyflare is mafia now, which I can also explain if others can't see it. This hinges on MZ being mafia. Can you make a case on MZ being mafia at this point in time? Otherwise you have nothing. | ||
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It's the same concept. The theory you're bringing up COULD hold water, but even if it did you'd be able to make cases on those players anyway without the associative reads involved. | ||
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2) Your point on him doubting your claim doesn't mean a whole lot. People doubt claims. It's normal. 3) I don't see how what MZ said to HF means that he can only be interacting with a scum partner. I thought the same thing about Hf's post, so why am I not mafia for saying something similar? 4) There's no fence there. I don't really see the issue with this post. I thought the same thing about the Rso/HF fight. 5) Again, the fact that he doubts claims isn't weird. The best aspect of your case is that he was inactive until he was about to be lynched. That's it. If he continues to fail to participate then he will be lynched for it, not because of the other points you brought up. | ||
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I just wanted to point that out in case someone asks me about it later. | ||
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So it was, at its core, an inactive lynch: a fun lynch, but not always a productive one. | ||
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It's not that I don't give credence to your theory - it's that I think there's a world where MZ is town and does those things. | ||
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On July 08 2015 12:24 milo109 wrote: If you think I'm actually getting a check off at any point in this game.... Still. Just. Don't use it on MZ. | ||
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On July 08 2015 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote: MZ not getting lynched pretty much means hes mafia tbh. Shut up. | ||
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I don't care. You can resolve it amongst yourselves. Clarity is mafia. Discuss. | ||
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Experience. | ||
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On July 08 2015 13:41 ruXxar wrote: This is the incorrect response as town. A town person would want to project town by proving that their actions benefits town. Since you are unwilling to do that, i can only assume that you can't prove that you had town motives behind your actions. This argument is bad. | ||
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That argument has never worked in the history of ever. | ||
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I just explained it. Summarize your case for me and I'll tell you why I don't like it. I know it's here somewhere but I lost in in all of the nonsense fights she started probably. | ||
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On July 08 2015 13:46 ruXxar wrote: She's denying the fact that she derailed the questioning of trfel multiple times. I showed her evidence. She refused to look at the evidence and just called it wrong without correcting it. It's pretty simple really. Except that's not really a case though. It's just a list of things that she did. Rso can be illogical as town and her fight with Hf is no exception to that heuristic. | ||
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Okay, but, like, whatever though. | ||
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I don't think what you're saying is inherently incorrect. I understand the point of what you're bringing up - you think rso is scum derailing the thread and doesn't have a rebuttal to what you're bringing up. The point is that I don't think scum!rso makes a big poopy in the middle of the thread for everyone to see. I don't see how her tirade on white-knighting Trfel is inherently scum-motivated because there's no scum end-goal to her actions - it's just a giant sloppy mess that I don't think she would go through the trouble of perpetrating unless there was something in it for her as scum. | ||
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On July 08 2015 14:09 ruXxar wrote: That's exactly the point, *we won't know why unless she answers the question of why she did it*. In what world does a town person not want to explain their actions? Plenty of worlds, like the ones where they think the answer is obvious or don't feel like getting dunked with 50 billion questions. But that's not the point I'm making anyway because her actions don't have an underlying motivation to them. | ||
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Talk to me about clarity or EBH. Even if rso is mafia she isn't getting lynched tomorrow just by virtue of her being active so surely you have other scumreads/alternatives you want to explore. | ||
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Why? | ||
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Okay hold on. | ||
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I guess that works too. Show me where it happened and why it's scummy? | ||
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Which is usually enough for almost anyone, so I don't know if that read flip is as damning as I first thought. | ||
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On July 08 2015 14:57 ritoky wrote: independent of marv here. Still doesn't really seem that weird. | ||
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I want to see what he says about it. I feel like there's probably a reason behind it but I'm unaware of what it is. | ||
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On July 08 2015 15:10 ritoky wrote: rsoul thinks so, why don't you? he mechanically explained why it was bad, then did went back on said mechanics to sheep marv, then after he didn't want to lynch MZ defaulted back to me contrary to what he already said. how is that not odd? I rethought it and I think that it could be. | ||
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I did the same already. I think his votes are nonsensical and scummy. Oats already quoted the first bit where he voted MZ because he signed up and forgot and that made him mafia somehow (lol). | ||
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On July 08 2015 18:55 marvellosity wrote: Obi always does that. He's never learnt. :/ | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:06 marvellosity wrote: i somehow feel like i need to lead this town, but i don't feel like i have a good enough grasp on the game and i'm not really feeling the inclination to put in that much work. what do Is Damdred town? Normally I'd have a solid read on him at some point but I don't really have one right now and that bothers me. On July 08 2015 23:07 Harkon wrote: I also don't think MZ's defense of BM was towny at all. The more I read it the less I like it. | ||
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Maybe I found something to do for the next few hours. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:12 marvellosity wrote: i also still think ritoky is mafia. I'd be more willing to discuss him if he survives the night. | ||
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:/ I'm trying to come up with things to discuss in regards to him but I can't get past the claim. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:19 marvellosity wrote: mafia in good spot when town lynches town shocker lol | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:22 Breshke wrote: People keep mentioning scott but no one seems to actually look into him. It's because his filter is boring and nobody wants to read it. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:24 Breshke wrote: OWS do you think rsoul is town? For the moment, yes. Read my back and forth with rux to discern why. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:28 marvellosity wrote: does anyone feel like i'm spamming too much/making the game unreadable? i have a really large filter but i don't think it's obstructive No. | ||
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On July 08 2015 23:40 Harkon wrote: No read on him without the claim? And considering the claim - does what he did since then look like he is a gamesolving townie who knows he is on a timer? No and no. /shrug We will see. | ||
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On July 09 2015 04:59 marvellosity wrote: i think MZ is mafia Yeah. | ||
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Marv said smarter things. Go with those instead. | ||
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On July 09 2015 05:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I really don't give a shit about activity, I give a shit about what they've said. Ritoky has basically fucked off all game using irl excuses, he claimed to avoid a lynch. I'm really not surprised he hasn't said anything since then. Milo started a halfassed push on me after the day post and that's really it. Just being active doesn't give you an automatic green card. If shit was that simple then we'd just start lynching people based on post count. I don't believe milo's claim and I don't think anything he's said townie. Halfassed? lol | ||
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On July 09 2015 06:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: you should definitely have a better town circle then this man lol. 2 of these 3 players havent even given a shit since the lynch ended. I disagree. I've got townleans on the other two there. Marv not being in it is weird but I'd wager he still has a townread on Marv anyhow. | ||
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I'm aware there are a bunch of claims flying around but I haven't come to a conclusion on any of them yet. | ||
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I'll catch up in a bit. As an aside, is there any particular reason we shouldn't lynch MZ's face off? | ||
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On July 09 2015 13:05 geript wrote: Sorry Ritoky, but you're actually the perfect mafia player to deliver 1 KP. No town player with half a brain roleblocks a claimed cop without a magic read. I agree. | ||
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I think it's a high percentage play to keep going after MZ. He's done little to redeem the slot and the case against him is still good. | ||
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But I want to kill MZ. So I'm going to leave my vote there for now. | ||
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On July 09 2015 12:10 milo109 wrote: So.. I have to defend Damdred here, despite the fact that he is the worst JK ever if he is one. People make mistakes.. I don't understand why you have to do this? | ||
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Which will end up being marv as per usual but I'm okay with that. Scott is also being incredibly mafia and should probably die soonish. | ||
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On July 09 2015 13:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Damdred's claim is the worst out of the lot. If I lynched into the claims, that's where I'd lynch. Scott is also being incredibly mafia and should probably die soonish. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:20 scott31337 wrote: @MZ & OWS What about my d1 did you not like you did not play MZ? My 98% post? I know you need more then this to get me mislynched, so, please - Help a brotha out. You're boring and forgettable. I can't think of a reason not to lynch you. You're probably mafia. It doesn't surprise me at all that you're only showing up when people talk about you. Do something. | ||
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That just makes it worse though. How can you be so active and be so "nothing" at the same time? I don't understand it. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:36 ritoky wrote: the scariest world is if marv was carrying the kp last night....but i don't really wanna go into that atm. Don't even bother - Marv is not mafia. | ||
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On July 09 2015 14:48 Clarity_nl wrote: Oats, thoughts? OWS are you here or what? I gtg soon. I'm still here. I took a look at it but have no definitive opinion yet because it's late. I'll try to look at it again at some point in the future to see if I feel better about it later. | ||
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On July 10 2015 01:31 Clarity_nl wrote: weaksauce, although I don't remember you mentioning EBH prior.. Dude your filter is huge. In fact I can't find it :s I already asked him about it. He's had a townlean on EBH for ages. Honestly there are a couple of people I would lynch before EBH at this point in time so whatever to him. He can go off and do his own thing I guess. | ||
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Guess we're killing Damdred. I'm okay with that, as stated. MZ either gets vig'd or gets lynched tomorrow. Either way, I'm happy. | ||
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On July 10 2015 13:11 rsoultin wrote: already said scott -_- damdy milo hf ruxx ???? Add scott to your scumlist. | ||
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On July 11 2015 00:57 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: Well for meapak a few things the whole "oh no don't lynch BM to not lynch me I can't have that" is a scummy thing to do. Its pretty much exactly what I and a lot of other people would do as scum in that situation, try to seem reasonable and like you're actually weighing options on the lynch but intrinsically you are really just like "yea hopefully this makes me look townie and it gets them off me due to me not trying to preserve myself" hard to explain but a town member would just be like fuck yea lynch that dirty lurker whereas the mafia KNOWS he is town so its an awkward spot for him to manage. Then of course the palmar night kill so there has to be an old player somewhere, that's my pick. His filter is actually decent besides that, but he's not an awful garbage player so.. most of this read is definitely sheeping though. For kelsier I mean this is mostly an activity thing, guy just dropped off the face of the earth after day 1. Game is going to shit for mafia so far so he might have become uninterested. I already acknowledged in my opening post too that I found his playstyle different from his town game and peculiar. This sudden inactivity is only reinforcing my read. Obi you would just have to look trhough the database and compare games. This just looks like his scumgame to me not much more to say. That's also why its my least confident though. I told you that trying to meta me is a waste of time. Nobody gets my meta right. | ||
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/shrug I'll be pretty lurky until important things happen. Ask and I'll probably be around. | ||
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On July 11 2015 01:45 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: From your own perspective that is useless though, if somebody else told me meta'ing you is useless then I might talk about it. "stop scumreading me its a waste of time, nobody ever scumreads me correctly  "I'm sure if I said that it wouldn't really matter to you. You haven't even provided reasoning as to why my meta makes me scum. So. | ||
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On July 11 2015 01:50 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: frankly it feels like a waste of time when I am not even remotely considering to lynch you for a while nor is anybody else. maybe in like day 5-6 :^) It's not, really. I'd rather not have a shitcase fester for a good week because someone's too lazy to talk to me. If you've got ideas, post them. | ||
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Shoot MZ. Look into scott tomorrow. I'm still thinking he's a good lynch and I literally can't come up with a single reason not to smite him off the face of the earth. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:08 rsoultin wrote: going through scott now...you think he's a better chance of hitting scum than milo? I completely forgot about milo. I remember townreading him for something but I've been pretty afk for the majority of today due to the sheer number of lynches we have set up already. Aren't we already lynching him too? | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:16 rsoultin wrote: auto doesn't make me comfortable? but probably. like i dunnae...it's a silly thing that's making me waffle on him somewhat...mostly just that sitting there basically flailing about not lynching damdred seems like an obviously poor play when there's almost no chance damdy isn't getting lynched? i dunnae. i have no clue what standard of play i should hold him to >< I still don't particularly understand why Damdred/milo were intertwined so much, defense aside. Milo was calling him confirmed town for some reason. Can someone explain that to me? | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Also OWS completely forgot about milo even though he was more talked about d2 than damdred.. Yep. I wasn't really here. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:20 Harkon wrote: There were 2 claimed cops night1. None of them was shot. Ritoky was roleblocked by mafia damdred. Still not seeing the connection? I am also aware of this. I just am not interested/don't care very much about things that I won't possibly have any impact on. Talk to me about scott. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Milo withdrew the fake check like immediately, before he got any info, not that he would have since in his story he is roleblocked by mafia, so if I am mafia I know I didn't get red checked. It's part of my case, you should read it along with OWS! I'm already okay with milo being lynched. I don't know what else you want. | ||
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On July 11 2015 10:26 Clarity_nl wrote: You said you didn't understand why damdred/milo are so intertwined. My case explains it. I want you to understand because I am a caring loving person I'm touched. Though I do understand now, tyvm. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:18 rsoultin wrote: everyone was saying milo was scum if damdred flipped scum? lol Yeah, I'm aware, but I didn't understand why. I'm on board now. | ||
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On July 11 2015 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Did you ever read Scotts previous games? He seems pretty much the same, lurky and not that useful. Doesn't make him town, though. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote: Doesn't make him scum either. And that seems to be the only reason you are scumreading him. If we don't lynch scott, who else is mafia then? Therein lies the problem: I can't come up with a better lynch than scott. He just...Exists. If you present me good reasons for lynching a list of 4 other players without scott among them, then I can reconsider. Otherwise, my scumread stays. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Like come on, would you shoot Scott based on his posts right now and be reasonably confident he's mafia? I don't think so. Yes. Even if he didn't flip mafia I'd be ecstatic that I could sort past him anyhow. | ||
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I'm scumreading him for being boring, useless, and forgettable. Get it right at least. | ||
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On July 11 2015 12:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Scott isn't boring at all. The rest is a product of not posting. He is though. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Are you gonna put in any effort at all? Rsoul, can you explain exactly what it is that makes breshke town this game just like geript did for damdred. I'm putting in effort right now. You didn't even read his filter. Don't fucking give me that. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:15 Oatsmaster wrote: I want to know what work you think you are doing. Not what work I think you are doing That's not how this game works. | ||
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On July 11 2015 13:19 Oatsmaster wrote: acting like a dick pretty much means hes town lol. That's not a good heuristic and you know it. On July 11 2015 13:21 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats not relevant? I want you to explain what work you think you have done. No. | ||
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Scottttttttttt. | ||
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I'm really hoping milo and scott are mafia because, if they're not, I'm afraid I'm never going to find more mafia. Do we even have more scumreads outside of those two? | ||
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On July 12 2015 13:49 Half the Sky wrote: Do you have any thoughts on Kelsier possibly being scum? None whatsoever. Does anyone have a reason for calling him scum or what? I'd presume there's a reason his name is being dropped aside from the fact that he hasn't posted 2359623405263 times in the last hour or so. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:14 Vivax wrote: This fits the profile. Plus Ruxxar voted him without saying anything basically, and didn't say anything when rso voted for him as well. Nice misrep. I spent the later parts of day 1 defending ritoky and pushing MZ. I don't see how this is relevant anyway. | ||
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On July 12 2015 23:56 Vivax wrote: You're pretty hissy given that my next post basically invalidated the one you quote. Maybe finish reading before you snap. You didn't say that though. How am I supposed to know that you think those quotes invalidate each other and why would you even bother posting it if that's the case? | ||
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Are we really going to push that over a milo wagon today though? | ||
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On July 13 2015 01:17 milo109 wrote: HF is trying to get plausible deniability for when I flip town. Do not listen to anyone who defends me today later on in the game. lmfao what | ||
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No I'm here but I'm at work until after deadline. Don't really see a reason to move my vote. | ||
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On July 14 2015 10:47 Breshke wrote: I actually think ruxxar could be mafia aswell trefel. Something about him always coming to HF's defense when he fake matrys jsut doesn't sit right with me. He doesn't have the fear in him that HF is mafia. I also have a problem with him talking about "lynch him later lynch him at lylo." As he already complained about the amount of lurkers in the game and it would just be the same situation he himself and HF took advantage of last game where they could easily steer the thread because they were some of the msot active. Basically I don't think ruxxar is showing that townie paranoia and is too sure of his HF read especially when thread eladers like harkon and marv are unsure/flipfloppy on hf's allighnment Does this make them mafia together or what? | ||
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On July 14 2015 11:16 Breshke wrote: No it doesn't really mean much about HF's allighnment It just seems like such a weird point to focus on. I don't really get how this says anything about ruxxar really? | ||
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On July 14 2015 11:29 Breshke wrote: I don't think you could say HF is "obviously not" town. Tell me why does ruxxar townreadread HF? Do me a favor and tell me instead? Or at least quote it? I'm not reading through this slog of a game to find something about a player that I haven't really had any ill-will towards this game, especially when it seems like such an irrelevant point to me. Also, I'm going to start posting bigger posts to hopefully keep my filter/the game readable. If anything I thought kelsier's analysis of Hf was scummy because he fixated on things that didn't really exist in order to read Hf as town, especially when I've seen him pull that kind of analysis as mafia before. Dnu. Kelsier had a really strong early game and I know people are dropping his name but I can't really seem to find the basis for that either. /shrug What did you think of that and how is ruxxar's read on Hf scummier than that? | ||
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On July 14 2015 11:37 rsoultin wrote: i think it's kinda obvious what trfel is saying, ows? (and a really good point, lol ><) ruxxar just got out of a game where he was scum with hf and saw him somehow survive a red check through three consecutive day phases, so if anything he should at least be somewhat wary of hf's alignment? almost the entirety of the rest of the game is, and we've all seen hf play as both alignments numerous times. it's weird he's that certain like if hf is town this game, i think ruxx buddying up like this and acting like his parrot is even scummier, to be completely honest I get the point, but I've been in the same position because I hard townread Hf in a game a long, long time ago right after he beat me as scum. Just because it's Hf doesn't mean that people can't legitimately townread him. | ||
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On July 14 2015 11:49 rsoultin wrote: lol i'm aware of that, ows...and there are people in this game legitimately decent (at least above average for this general group of players) at reading hf. i'm one of them and i'm not certain. neither are others like, it's not so much the hard townread as it is the hard townread from the start with no questioning it I'm not voting ruxx because you guys think he isn't paranoid enough. Try something else. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:15 Half the Sky wrote: I'm not. Apparently Oats and HF think you are... Hf is mafia so who gives a shit what he thinks. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:16 Oatsmaster wrote: dont bother wasting your time if thats your only thought process. Shut up oats. | ||
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lol I love you Oats. Never change. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:26 Half the Sky wrote: So OWS, are your top scumreads still EBH/Scott? Or someone else? I've seen absolutely nothing in the last hundred pages to make me change my mind. I love lynching low-impact players that don't post. Hf is also possibly mafia. | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:26 Half the Sky wrote: I remember you pushing Scott pretty hard.....where do you stand on some of the other tossups? I already stated that I won't lynch ruxx because of the whole "lack of paranoia" thing. I really don't think Wave is mafia because I can't see him being this apathetic but he probably needs to be shot/lynched anyway if he isn't going to play. Who else? | ||
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On July 15 2015 01:31 Half the Sky wrote: Vivax, Breshke and Boxerfred are also names being thrown around. I don't have a solid read on any of those players. I'll get back to you when I do. | ||
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I've asked before and you didn't even bother answering. | ||
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I can do either. | ||
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On July 15 2015 02:32 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: any particular reason it matters to you? not like I have the pull to get you lynched or anything The game is really big and I usually find it easier to sort scum through the people attacking me in a game of this size, since I know what I said pretty well. I don't understand why it's so hard for you to explain it but whatever I guess. | ||
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On July 15 2015 02:37 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: pretend this is a graph ^ - - - - - - - - - -> x axis is the amount of people accusing me of being scum Y axis is the amount of fucks i give Why did you even bother signing up if you're not going to play? I'm hardly even enjoying this game and I'm still sticking it out. | ||
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On July 15 2015 02:40 Clarity_nl wrote: Why are you not enjoying the game? Too big? Among other things. | ||
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On July 15 2015 02:43 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: ? I am enjoying the game and playing. just not going to go through your games and make a big meta case that will cause absolutely nothing to happen. I don't have the time to make a 10 page filter though So you don't have one. | ||
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Maybe I'm actually mafia and your meta case will break the entire game open. Maybe I'm actually town and finding the people that agree with a maybe weak case would expose them as mafia. Maybe you can bring real insight into the game, despite your case. You're literally not doing any of that and I'm tired of trying to probe you for even the most basic of explanations. I'm voting you tomorrow unless you can produce SOMETHING that makes me think better of you. | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote: lol @ obi criticism of VA not doing anything, that's just flat out hilarious and major ++++++ scum points Nobody cares what you think, scum. | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:34 Holyflare wrote: Like seriously this is the most fake push I've ever seen someone do. Not only is VA a CHRONIC lurker and Obi absolutely knows that to be the case but this post: just screams that obi thinks VA is actually town??? Everything he says is mafia indicative but it's phrased in such an "i know you're town so do something or i vote you" kind of way it's ridiculous I'm working under the assumption that he could be town, not the fact that he is town. Try harder. | ||
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On July 15 2015 03:41 Holyflare wrote: If you say so. You also haven't called me mafia the entirety of the game. I've searched your filter for hf/holyflare/holy etc and i've only ever come up for you to say nothing towards you and no it's suddenly "hf is scum so who gives a shit" and "hf is possibly mafia" and "hf is mafia"???? none of this is logical in the slightest, reading through your filter is actually enlightening because this is the first time i've actually been bothered to do it all game and it's absolutely littered with defences of people, little bits of unintuitive tmi in regards to people's alignments and reactions that don't quite make sense with the information you can see i'll probably make a case on you at some point but i'm fairly sure you are mafia You might want to get that out before the end of tonight because I'm shooting you. | ||
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It's such an excuse to read someone as town I swear. | ||
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What fucking game are you reading. | ||
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On July 15 2015 04:53 Clarity_nl wrote: I mean there's a lot of things I'm struggling to believe. However let's just make the assumptions that: - You are town - LS gave you a gun You better be DAMN SURE that HF is scum, because if there's 4 flips and he flips town and LS confirms he gave you a gun you WILL be lynched. I kinda agree with HF that we shouldn't shoot HF (lol), if whoever has a gun really wants to shoot HF and does not expect to die tonight they should not shoot anyone. Although that's still worse than just shooting scumlurkers. I can't imagine the amount of leveling that's going on here, or not, but why would you ever post this? Vry scry. Wowe. | ||
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Don't even waste my time if you're going to call Hf town for reasons that you full-well know don't exist. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote: man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd :D :D :D :D :D get gud guys I can be reasonable but you throwing scum at me for lame reasons (like tmi) is not going to work. If I'm not mafia, who is? | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:03 Holyflare wrote: i don't see how that's a lame argument at all, your filter is littered with defences of people multiple times at points where i don't think it was apt to defend people It is lame and you know it. I hard defend people literally ALL THE TIME in yet now, in THIS game, it's scummy, because ??? | ||
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Who else is mafia if I am not? | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:07 Holyflare wrote: how do i know that? i don't read your posts ever because they are largely useless 1 liners that appear randomly at times i don't care about and just poe a team around you, this time you've been poe'd into the scum team and looking at your posts they seem largely unintuitive i've also already said clarity's list is largely interchangeable with his null reads too so there's that which is quite apparent since it was like what? 2 posts ago? then there's the fact you're far far far too aggressive to people scum reading you for no reason whatsoever, it's a colossal overreaction on every account. I'm sure acting like I don't play off of omgus like I literally always do (and you know it's a thing because you even mentioned it in your scum QT in that newbie game) and acting like it's scummy now is complete garbage, because you KNOW how much it pisses me off when people write me off/scumread me for shitty/nonexistent reasons. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:15 Holyflare wrote: I mean i don't think i've ever mentioned that you're omgusing people as a way to call you scummy this entire game, where does that feature in my read and why are you mentioning it? Because that's why it seemed like you were calling me scummy. -.- Anyhoezels. I can say very similar things as to why you called me scum your filter (which I actually have read, btw) right up until this very moment, and these reasons still don't fly with me at all. It's like you're expecting me to accept the fact that you're scumreading me (which I won't ever fucking do, knowing how hard and how aggressively you'll push that read as either alignment) and that's complete garbage. And your point on defenses is garbage. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:22 Harkon wrote: This is a very bad read and HF knows better. No matter what Obis alignment is he has been serious as town before and it is absolutely not out of character for him- Ruxxar, you watching? Needless shitflinging once again. Not to mention that HF has killed me as scum multiple times and I basically always get shot if I am town. There is noone who would keep HF alive because he thinks he can mislynch him. Further shitflinging. Very productive. Complete and utter bullshit. It is normal to talk to people like they are town like this and HF knows it. Absolutely nonsensical statement. Further needless shitflinging while HF knows that Obi harddefends people as town all the time. HF is probably mafia. Good to know I'm not completely alone in thinking this scumread makes no sense. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:30 Harkon wrote: Just let it be known that I don't actually townread you. What HF says just isn't true/makes no sense. I thought what we had was special. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:32 Clarity_nl wrote: I'm trying to follow. I've liked HF's push on OWS but I don't have any meta on either player, You're saying HF is scum for pushing OWS for the wrong reasons? The reasons you are townreading Hf for are bad specifically because he can do everything you said makes him town as mafia. Hf is on record knowing that I play exactly the way I'm playing now in yet he's trying to sell it now as a scumtell. It is mostly based on meta, yes, but this push is garbage to anyone who knows both of us. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:36 Harkon wrote: Yes. He is pushing OWS for reasons that HF knows aren't true. If I had to decide I would say Obi is town btw. I just don't want to. You can't hide what's inside. :D | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:38 Clarity_nl wrote: Deadline is soon, I expect you to die tonight, doubly so if HF is scum. My strong townread is calling my other strong townread scum sooooo I'd like you to try and convince me. Seriously though I think HF is totes town. I literally just told you that Hf does every single thing you said makes him town as mafia. He is on record as doing so and your points on him being town are bad. Why is he so town to you, like really? | ||
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I knew the points he was making on other people day 1 were garbage then too. Oh wells. I'm heading to work. I'll try to check in as much as I can until later but I don't suspect that I'll be able to. | ||
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On July 15 2015 05:47 Clarity_nl wrote: That's just ridiculous. I'm clearly giving you the time of day, you seem really convinced that he's scum and it worries me for a number of reasons. Obviously at some point later on if HF and myself are both still alive I will ahve to read into his meta, and I'd like to be able to look back and see what you're seeing. You could always NOT try to convince me, but that's just dumb. More excuses for sparing Hf a proper read. Goody. | ||
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On July 15 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote: no maybe you've misread, it's almost entirely out of game reasons that i am mad and people are just needlessly antagonizing me and it's making it worse so i'd rather you kill me before i flame the entire game's worth of players also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post lol as if ksc reading you town for bad reasons has anything to do with either of our alignments. Flail more lmfao. | ||
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On July 15 2015 08:35 Trfel wrote: What about KelsierSC's really forced townread on you in Carol of the Bells? Already mentioned it several pages ago. | ||
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On July 15 2015 11:33 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: who has been more correct in this game then me? Town lynching their most aware player would be pretty funny though so ill allow it. Can you just modkill yourself or something so I don't have to waste a lynch on you? | ||
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On July 15 2015 11:48 Breshke wrote: I mean why obi, i would like to be enlightened Because he's useless and he doesn't explain his reads. | ||
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Ignore that. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:07 Vivax wrote: To be clear, since you posted that stuff D1 I'd have expected you to be the first dude to be happy to just jump on the HF train and push it. Now it seems to be the opposite and you mention some other dudes being mafia in your opinion. See where I'm coming from? I already knew what you were talking about, I just didn't feel like answering you. | ||
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So I'm thinking I look for mafia outside of this lynch or in the people that are jumping on it. I can't find any. Bleh. | ||
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I'll let you guys know when I have an opinion I'm confident in. | ||
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On July 16 2015 04:46 boxerfred wrote: And when did he really hold to such posts in this game? Last night, he said "gonna afk shitheads" then did not afk. And this is relevant towards his alignment how? | ||
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You were implying that it was. And the way you phrased it was very mafia. | ||
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On July 16 2015 05:19 boxerfred wrote: that feels really constructed. I can't see where I implied that it looked scummy. Can you actually provide reasons why you scumread me? If you read the thread, you'd know how my read progressed. What is constructed about whatever it is you have a problem with? Aside from Holyflare, who else is mafia and why? | ||
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I said I misread something and took it back. Does it not bother you that both of your scumleans are on the same wagon as you? | ||
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On July 16 2015 05:58 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: In his most recent post he has one scumread, one. I have to simply disagree. i find his meta inconclusive, I read previous games and I don't see a noticeable enough difference to read him as either alignment. If you want to see meta take a look at OWS previous town/scum games where I see a considerable difference and find his game here more in accordance with his scum games. So without a solid meta to work with I simply look at his gameplay objectively, which is scummy to me. There's still nothing behind this read. | ||
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Simple. | ||
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Ever. | ||
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There is nothing decent about Ebh's filter at all. How can you even say that? | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:33 boxerfred wrote: EBWOP: I assume that there are four reds. I don't know for sure. How do people know that for sure? Experience? Holy shit. Read the thread. It says it in the OP. | ||
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On July 16 2015 06:35 rsoultin wrote: no offense, ows, but if hf is scum giving up, you're really trying to say that his teammates won't buss him? lol >< like, if he continues to abandon the thread i fully expect a pile-on and it hardly has any bearing on his alignment at this point -_- it's called a policy lynch for a reason Already explained. | ||
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Reread ebh and tell me that's someone that's not trying to be obstructive and obtuse for no reason at all. | ||
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Okay. ##vote hf That makes this easy I guess. | ||
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Rux is also likely town. | ||
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On July 16 2015 11:44 LightningStrike wrote: Can you explain the reasoning why they are what they are? Rso is playing to her town meta. It's a hard thing for me to quantify but I feel relatively confident in it just due to the fact that she's active and she comments on every little thing in the thread. I do feel like she's taking a directive in establishing thread presence and I feel as if she's taking the right approaches in regards to certain things (aka the me/HF fight) and I don't think she would be this active as mafia. Rux is town because he's active. I cba reading him thoroughly right now because I've got two pretty strong scumreads ahead of him and I try to avoid killing active players when I can. (Plus, there's always the added benefit of townies being far more active than mafia in almost every game ever so that's probably fine.) @Breshke: the same reasoning I applied to rux can be applied to clarity. I simply don't want him lynched because he's an active force in the thread + I already have two scumreads I want lynched over them. Plus, I liked the way that he responded to my pressure early on in the game and then went RIGHT back to scumhunting. | ||
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Dude I've said who I want to lynch like 50 times. Hf and Ebh. Stop being obtuse. | ||
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I am aware. | ||
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Dnu. Working on it. | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:07 Holyflare wrote: Who did you think was mafia at the end of last cycle before you decided randomly it was me and va? Why do you scum read va btw? I am disinterested in pretty much everything/anything you say to me. | ||
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On July 16 2015 13:10 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote: this is the reason he scumreads me and then he goes back and calls me scummy when he keeps doing, its pretty funny. You know you guys are reaching when every other player in the game says that you're not explaining things. I know you're trying really hard to save your scummate Hf but it's just not going to work when you try to push things that don't exist, nor will it fly when everyone in the game already thinks you're mafia. Keep trying though. When Hf flips scum, you're next. Count on it. | ||
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Lynch Hf. Lynch Va right after. Good night. | ||
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He's just going to hound you with bullshit and bog you down as much as he can to avoid being lynched. It's all he can do. If you ignore him, he'll go away. (He probably won't but you'll probably feel better and the thread will be cleaner as a result.) | ||
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On July 16 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote: Ruxxar all your martying stuff about HF means jack shit though because he never truely left. And if he is mafia he was probably planning on doing exactly what I said and coming back right near the end to get votes off of himself. That being said I do not want to lynch HF this cycle. Obi can you give a read on clarity that doesn't give him a pass for activity i want to see it please No. If you're going to be fucking useless and write Hf off for no reason then I'm not even going to bother because he's just going to tunnel me and I'm not dealing with that for another phase. I'd rather be lynched than listen to idiots give him passes for nothing while dealing with his bullshit for days. I lost weight dealing with the stress in hearthstone and I'm not dealing with that here. | ||
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On July 16 2015 14:18 Trfel wrote: Hearthstone and stress should not go in the same sentence... I'm talking about hearthstone mafia. Not actual hearthstone. I'm actually going to play hearthstone to feel better though. That might help. | ||
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Fantastic. On July 16 2015 14:25 rsoultin wrote: yo, truffle, where you at in the catch-up? you've got my undivided attention (mostly) for the next hour lol and i think you're more up on the recent stuff than i am i've got you, oats and ls as my strong towns do you have any doubts on hts/clarity or can i skip over them and look at everyone else? Skip over Hts because that's a waste of time. Look into clarity maybe but I seriously doubt it. | ||
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Seriously? :/ You're so gullible it's disgusting. | ||
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His reads are conjured out of the ether; he can't or won't explain them because he's mafia. Plus, there's the fact that he does nothing but act antagonistic when asked to explain, something that I find very hard to justify from a town perspective. Why I want to lynch HF: His push is objectively bad (for reasons that have been pointed out by other dead townies lol) in yet he continues to look for excuses to keep pushing his read. (RE: the fact that people have pointed out that his meta read doesn't make sense in yet he sticks with it despite all evidence pointing to the contrary, the fact that the evidence he's pulling up doesn't make sense in yet he sticks with it, purposefully ignoring bits of my filter where I explain things and saying "no he never said this before") Plus, the reasons I was talking about before where he kept dropping tons of names at once and not really looking into them reeks of doubtcasting, etc. THEN there's the fact of the matter that he's acting like I should 100% trust in his reads while he thinks I'm 100% mafia, and that me not trusting his reads makes me mafia. ??? I don't scumread clarity. | ||
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I'm fucking tired of him and I want him to die. I've given him a number of outs and I've tried to talk about other people and all he does is scream scum in my face. | ||
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Pretty please? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:10 Holyflare wrote: Um, not really true, I actually said you might not be the best lynch today and I just wanted answers. Like twice today. What meta was wrong that I was pushing despite people telling me otherwise? Everything Jat said. What Trfel said. What Hts said. What rso said. | ||
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:/ Talk to me about Vivax. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Vivax is pretty town from the last couple pages alone. I think. Mirrored my thoughts on the lynch exactly. That doesn't really make me feel much better considering you've been inactive and apathetic all game. Why should I trust you? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:34 Holyflare wrote: i haven't said anything about you for like 10 pages why are you so whiney? that's just a copy/paste of what i wrote earlier because you were being a douche and not responding to a word i wrote? answer my questions please, why is VA mafia for playing like VA does in every game and who were your scum reads before me and VA VA playing like VA doesn't make him not mafia; it just means he's VA. Why should I spare him a lynch if there are a number of active people trying to figure things out and some antagonistic waste of space is sitting in the corner just being useless? I'd be perfectly willing to consolidate on him over you just for sheer funsies/take-out-the-trash factor; regardless of his flip, he's basically a nonentity and should die just for playing the way he's playing. You might think he's being reasonable because he's not one of the people pushing you, but I can't really care less about him and I'd prefer him gone. As for other scumreads, I've been rotating between inactives/skirt-by-the-wayside players like Vivax/WoS so there's not really a whole lot going on there. I could kill any of those. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:41 Holyflare wrote: So he's not an actual scum read lol? Why are all of your town reads based on activity when that is a bad metric to read all of those players? Why not use that metric for me? Because it doesn't apply to you. Ever. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:43 Holyflare wrote: just like it doesn't ever apply to rsoultin and to an extent ruxxar too I've never seen rso play an active scumgame of this caliber. Ever. Ruxx is one of my weaker townreads but I'm having a hard time justifying voting him in any way, so I don't see why I should. | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:47 Holyflare wrote: obi what happened to your clarity mafia read and why was it not strengthened by him hard defending me against all the evidence? I don't really think this is true. Jat yelled at him and he yielded. Also, hard defending someone I think is scummy doesn't necessarily make him scummy. | ||
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I don't know what DMA is. ._. | ||
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Okay. So VA is a funsies lynch. If we scrap Trfel, who else? | ||
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On July 17 2015 04:56 Clarity_nl wrote: No, wanting yourself lynched for information when you're town is the exact opposite of rational. You're right, it's not rational. Doesn't mean that townies don't do it though. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:01 Vivax wrote: Yeah let's do Breshke, cmon people ! ##Unvote ##Vote Breshke Actually a half decent post. | ||
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On July 17 2015 05:02 Vivax wrote: HF if you don't do any of the suggested I'm afraid I'll end up voting you anyway. Breshke has a good shot at being mafia cause of the mentioned backtrack. Can you make a scumteam of 3 with Breshke on it and Hf off of it? | ||
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lol @ clarity. Maybe we lynch Breshke here tbh. | ||
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So. This is it. | ||
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On July 17 2015 06:30 Breshke wrote: I'm really not happy with this holyflare lynch :/ You didn't work anywhere near hard enough to ensure it didn't happen. | ||
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:/ :/ :/ :/ :/ | ||
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:/ Breshke should be on the chopping block tomorrow. Otherwise idk. | ||
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Just vote wave tomorrow. | ||
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On July 18 2015 00:17 Clarity_nl wrote: Yeah you're right, let's not talk about the game and instead lynch the guy who's practically afk so that if/when he flips town we go into lylo with as little information as possible. Good one. Your filter is somewhere along the lines of 30 pages and the game is almost 400+. You talk too much. | ||
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He's essentially a useless nonentity and he's going to be a burden to the town as long as he's alive. Lynch him. | ||
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On July 18 2015 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote: K guys who should i vote for Yourself. | ||
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Why are we trying to lynch people who post? | ||
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On July 19 2015 01:50 rsoultin wrote: Cause wave is coinflippy and we're right back here again tomorrow if he flips town, only it'll be mylo? Why are we even in this position right now? It's obvious both you/ruxx are town and there's no reason to lynch players who do stuff. Besides, why even spare Wave a day if we're just going to have to deal with him tomorrow? Same deal. | ||
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On July 19 2015 02:57 Clarity_nl wrote: Doesn't seem obvious to me. Could you enlighten me please? Can't really elaborate in detail until I get home, but the bottom line is they're both arguing over nothing. I don't think the points they're bringing up against each other are decent in regards to making either of them scum while I don't think either of them are scummy for bringing them up. Just reads like two townies fighting. | ||
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That statement is probably the second time I remember him saying something that made no sense as a scumread. | ||
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On July 19 2015 13:01 Breshke wrote: I dont think these types of things make BF scum though. Do you have a better idea? My proposal is to lynch either him or wave. | ||
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On July 20 2015 01:25 Oatsmaster wrote: vote for rsoul. Like if we lynch town here, rsoul in lylo is a huge liability + she is mafia. So like twice the reason to lynch her. She's not really a liability. If we keep saying stuff like this we're just going to run out of "liabilities" and lose. | ||
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I am uncertain. | ||
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On July 20 2015 04:59 Half the Sky wrote: You are so sure that everyone here is town? Everyone here trying to solve the game? You are not convinced of any of the competing cases? ANY???? My logic is this: How do we look past Wave in lylo/mylo if he continues to be a lurky nonentity? I've said this like 50 times and the game is already 400+ pages. I shouldn't have to repeat it but I probably will because nobody seems to understand the concept of not posting every single fucking thing that comes to mind. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:32 WaveofShadow wrote: For somebody pushing me so hard, I wonder why you haven't voted for me yet. For everyone else, ebh or rsoul? I'm, like, confirmed town. Do something wave. | ||
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On July 20 2015 05:52 Trfel wrote: One of you has to be scum because of how confident, how smooth the two mafia who have flipped have played. If all of the remaining mafia were lurky and scummy, would KelsierSC post like this after being modkilled?The answer is NEVER to lynch all the scummy people and lurkers, especially in a large game with a ton of posts. There's basically no way that all of the leading posters are town. That's fucking nonsense. | ||
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I don't feel strongly about it. I don't care about this lynch since you people won't lynch who I want to lynch. | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:04 Trfel wrote: Go ahead and think that. Who do you want to lynch? oh. MY GOD | ||
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WHY IS THIS SO HARD. | ||
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I don't care. Bye. | ||
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We can't kill clarity because lolz. | ||
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He doesn't give a shit. | ||
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On July 20 2015 06:58 Half the Sky wrote: Swapped my vote to Clarity. ##unvote ##vote clarity Why did you do that? | ||
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I don't really care. Bye. | ||
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So I don't know what's surprising about any of this. | ||
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On July 21 2015 04:07 ruXxar wrote: Not sure how we managed to get a no-lynch there /facepalm. I'm mostly disappointed in breshke for switching off rsoultin when we had 6 on her. Rsoultin is pretty much confirmed scum since she didn't get hammered by mafia, it was the easiest hammer ever if scum wanted a mis-lynch. Only way rsoul is town here is if all 3 mafia are already voting for her. The fact she doesn't seem aware of this and includes someone outside the vote on her in her scumteam(clarity) makes me even more certain. That's not how this game works. | ||
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So let's change things up: Bf/Ruxxar/Wave possibly. That's my scumteam as of right now. Possibly replace ruxxar with clarity but I'm not 100%, and I would easily lynch Bf/Wave before either of those two. | ||
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Guess I have to hold rso responsible for playing nonsensically now. Wave surviving was a travesty though. | ||
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I'm the greatest. | ||
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I can't wrap my head around that. | ||
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