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you're already assuming one of your scumreads is wrong, bf? lol like the only reason i can find for you voting me is because i called you dumb xP | ||
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On July 18 2015 08:27 boxerfred wrote: saying 80% sure that hts is scum is not a hundred percent. so it can happen that there's lylo. also if you'd be reading you'd know that I'm sheeping marv. also your night posts were plain stupid, not helpful at all, as your posts this day are. shh now, won't change my vote. the fact that rsoultin and me are still alive tells me two things anyways: a) rsoultin is scum b) scum wants to keep me alive since either they think I'll push rsoul and rsoul is town or they think they can turn town against me. not sure what it is however im totally willing to lynch rsoul and then blame HF for bad reads. ^ this is horrible reasoning? like seriously, if you want to scumread me for your own reasons, and the bolded is completely untrue; you just picked out posts that were completely nai? then whatever but just sheeping someone is such a cop-out and it makes me think you're scum -_- like you literally have no reason whatsoever to scumread me other than i said it's stupid to blindly follow hf's reads without evaluating them? | ||
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talk to me about ruxxar, who has been hard-defending hf all game when much better players more familiar with hf thought he was scum | ||
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if anyone wants to actually discuss reads instead of autoing like idiots, let me know ^^ | ||
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On July 18 2015 13:25 Breshke wrote: Rsoultin idk if Ruxxar hard defending HF is necessarily that scum indicative now. Like I can pose questions like why did he just keep town reading him even when it looked like we were definitely going to lynch him. Did he not say he townread him but would still lynch cos martyr. I feel that is a retarded thing to say as scum because you can just flip your read and no one would blame you. if you are town I could see Ruxxar being scum because him pushing you for the trefel stuff could be because it would continue the shitfight between you and HF but I don't think that's the case. no? like, that's what it seemed like he was saying, and i pressed him for it then because i was fairly certain that they were scum together, but he said that he was still pretty sure hf was town but wanted to lynch vivax and me ^^ like his reason for switching to hf was "to prevent scum switching off and forcing a no-lynch" which was like...dumb as hell? like why would scum prefer a no-lynch to an hf mislynch, and ruxx was "sure" he was town? and then he decided to switch back to me for like...what reason exactly? hf was getting lynched. it was all very nonsensical and looks more like...again...he didn't know what to do with himself near EoD just like with the bm lynch on d1 where he made a big commotion about shenanigans and not wanting a no-lynch while staying on the smaller wagon instead of ensuring that the lynch would go through when he'd said he didn't care which of the two was actually lynched like a lot of his posting looks like flailing around trying to figure out what to do. if you review his filter he has a shit-ton of preachy town should! townies should! rah rah you should! type of posting and seriously, bresh, if you see a town!hf and a town!rsoul going at it as scum, you really think scum wasn't capitalizing on that? there is no earthly way he could have been that sure about hf's alignment that early. no way. there is no earthly way unless you're completely misreading the thread that you can say that i instigated anything with hf until i brought my case on him d1 | ||
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like, i really don't like how little everyone seems to care this game, not gonna lie | ||
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On July 18 2015 17:03 Breshke wrote: sorru i was at work and my break finished i do care about this game no matter how many times people say i dont. Yeah but the switch basically makes the reason you are pushing him null. He obviously showed he wasnt that sure about HF's allighnment so he was worried HF was scum and mafia would switch off him to force a no lynch. Yeah it doesnt make sense when you think about it deeper because then scum basically outs itself but i had the same thought as him sounless you want to say im scum for it aswell ruxxar isnt scum for that reason. the preachy posts are shit i agree but why does that make him mafia? I agree scum would capitalize on that but by the same token wouldnt they capatalize on a HF lynch and not be so iffy about it. Maybe ruxxar has a really good read on HF or maybe it is fuckin shit and he got lucky that time but him being right about HF's allighnment doesn't make him scum. Like i like this line of reasoning before but now HF has flipped it just doesnt feel right to me anymore. i don't recall those sort of posts in his town game. i will check. i do remember those sort of posts scattered all over his scum game, and it was that deluge of posts to post and some very unnatural way of saying things that would have keyed someone in to him being scum last game had they not been convinced enough by my pointing out he'd already claimed it, essentially xP but i'll look back through his town filter just to be sure i'm not misremembering as for the doubting hf is town thing...he never expressed any doubt like literally the entire game until then? then suddenly finds a reason when everyone is waffling to jump on the wagon? like, if you look at his filter and ctrl f hf, he mentions who is scum based off hf's flip as either alignment, but never actually appears to think hf is scum it looks more to me like an excuse to make sure the lynch goes through than some last second doubts after a game-long townread...like literally if he thinks the guy is town he should want people to switch off to a no-lynch? | ||
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On July 18 2015 20:30 ruXxar wrote: I adequately explained my reason for switching to HF last minute. Not sure how you managed to misinterpret that simple statement. Not knowing what to do with myself? My primary goal has always been to ensure that we don't have a no-lynch. We can't win as town if we don't lynch mafia. The reason I switched off HF is pretty easy to understand as well: If mafia switch off, then we know who the mafia are. Ergo, we are ensured to get mafia next day. I'm flailing around? No I'm pretty sure of what I want to do. This is all pretty simple in my head. There are almost certainly mafia in the HF vote and nothing is going to convince me otherwise. You are the scummiest person on that list. I don't see anything that prevents you from being mafia together with Kelsier or damdred. I don't see anything that prevents you from being mafia together with Trfel, Clarity, HTS, Obi or WoS. This day is pretty straight forward to me. ##Vote rsoultin. okay. i'll bite did you ever, at any point, doubt hf was town before then? quote it ^^ why did you suddenly think he was more likely to be scum than town? cause, hun, i know you're smart enough to realize that doubting townies can switch off for a no-lynch just as easily as scum can save a scum partner, so for any of that to make sense you had to think hf was more likely to flip scum than town or be super illogical as a human being explain why he was scum to you just as everyone else was beginning to think he was town and while you're at it, why am i the "scummiest" person on that list? and nothing "preventing" me from being scum with someone is not the same as things actually suggesting that i am scum with someone, unless you think every single other player in this game has a reason preventing them from being scum with kelsier and damdy xP like who are my two scummates? and why was your call to arms while defending hf for the umpteenth time, but he's townier than rsoul! therefore he must be town and she is scum! what is this either/or bs argument you've got going down? what makes our fight impossible to come from two townies? cause, newsflash, it did, so obviously it's not impossible but you already know that, don't you? ^^ | ||
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@bresh disregard the preachy bit. i didn't even get through the first page of his 21 page filter in his first game it's nai lol the guy just likes to preach apparently -_- bad coach is bad for not reading the game she's coaching lol >> he still needs to answer my questions i guess you guys won't be able to understand this, cause i have more info than y'all do, but from my perspective unless ruxx somehow thinks he has a god read on hf after playing one scum game with him, siding with hf right out the gate made no earthly sense. him scumreading me for defending trfel at all after i literally told hf to shut up last game when he was misrepresenting gb, based off a toneread no one else in the thread even understood, and prevented our cop from getting lynched d1...not to mention my senseless (to outsiders) toneread on damdy, makes no sense even if he wants to insist that i was defending trfel even though i wasn't until i thought hf might be town and was trying to convince him to trust my toneread over trfel's kinda shitty play (lol >< yeah i know, i do futile things a lot), scumreading me for that still makes no sense after literally the only game ruxx has played with me on this site where i've done that as town we're not talking about an insignificant detail here, that can easily be overlooked? we're talking about how i play the game that is almost completely different than any other player on this site...do you understand that? i am one of the only players on this site who makes reads separate of actual play, and when they're players i'm awesome at reading, will fight tooth and nail to keep people from lynching them no matter how bad it makes me look. i did it with you in the only game i've been mislynched in on tl, bresh. i know you remember that. and i did it in himalayas, too there is no possible way unless he has the memory of a goldfish that he can honestly think i'm scum for that he is the most naive/arrogant person on the planet if he is town in this game and was that sure on hf's alignment after playing scum with him once and hf surviving 3 cycles on a red check before winning the game for scum like, from my perspective it seems pretty clear that he saw two strong town players at each other's throats and picked a side early. like what scumteam wouldn't want to lynch either hf or myself when they could, instead of having to use nks on us? and to get both of us mislynched in the same game? like this either hf is scum or rsoul is scum idea he's pushing is perfect for when one of us inevitably flips town i didn't care too much to like growl at everyone saying that early on cause i thought hf was scum >< but it's a horrible line of reasoning to begin with. it's right on that fallacies list foolishness just posted xP | ||
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On July 18 2015 22:55 ruXxar wrote: Doesn't matter who pointed it out. It doesn't invalidate the point itself. And kelsier later retracted the point instead of pushing it, when his reason for retracting it was wrong, which oats pointed out: you can't be serious -_- answer my questions | ||
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On July 18 2015 22:57 Clarity_nl wrote: I'd have to check but you haven't used the xP thing since it's been brough up, until right now. If it made her scum then, why wait to bring it up until now? Your case just looks like you found everything in her filter that looked remotely scummy and just pointed at it and when: Look how scummy this is! he has actually used the xP thing since then he keeps using it along with the question thing lol >< | ||
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On July 18 2015 22:39 ruXxar wrote: Here's the breakdown of my rsoultin case and then you guys can decide for yourself. Why rsoultin is scum: The "xP" usage. The numbers don't lie, it was a significant statistical difference. Stats aside, the way she was using them just looks bad. It's artificial and fake. It looks like an attempt and making her opinions less threatening. Trying to diffuse tension as to not get a backlash when she's talking to people. It's like saying "Hey i'm disagreeing with you but don't be offended by my opinion cuz xP". You basically take away any strength that is enclosed in your statement. You make it appear like you're giving an opinion, but the force behind the statement is gone so it's essentially meaningless. This is perfect for scum that wants to appear like they're active and giving an opinion, but does not want to offend anyone or be taken seriously because the tone of their posts is very jokey. Defensive post out of context. This post is super scummy. Like what is this even? This is single-handedly the most scummy post she has made this game. This post appears on page 71. The last time anyone was seriously discussing this was over 20 pages ago. Yet she comes with this out of the blue, still hung up on it in her head, still needing to ridicule a case that was pushed on her because she felt threatened by the fact that it someone might actually still pick up on it. Why is she even in the mindset of doing that when that train had long passed? A town person wouldn't even care at this point, but as scum you're always paranoid that something is going to come bite you in the ass. And then she somehow tries to give an opinion on something in between there. This is the perfect case for why opinions given together with "xP" are essentially meaningless. You can't take anything she says in this post seriously. This post is so bad I'm almost willing to lynch her for this alone. Unable to clearly answer questions: Just read this conversation: (better read in the thread that in the quotes) + Show Spoiler + On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote: Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum i'll explain later Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote: What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive. On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote: Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP Xp xp xp xp What is that now? 30? On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote: Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question. On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote: Swahili I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote: so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then? On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote: I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^ On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote: kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly On July 06 2015 22:55 rsoultin wrote: He clearly thought I was saying he was too stupid t get my read so are you sure you're actually following what he was saying? Lol On July 06 2015 22:56 Harkon wrote: I will make this easy to you since even though you are happy to ridicule my intelligence you do not seem to get what this is all about. Why do you doubt your townread on him? What about the retardation makes him scummy? Are townies not retarded? On July 06 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote: the pertinent point being: why is what Kelsier did more mafia siding than town siding? What's the motivation to go to all that effort for something that was always a goose chase? especially as he totally backed off his read when he said he needed to check whether it was the same in the first 4 pages or not On July 06 2015 22:58 rsoultin wrote: ... See. He's clearly not getting it. I don't expect that level of stupid from kels. Specifically. Kels. On July 06 2015 23:00 Harkon wrote: You are the one not getting it. Ok, you do not expect that level of stupid. Why does it make him mafia? Why would mafia Kelsier be more likely to be stuopid than town Kelsier? On July 06 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote: I'm done with this marv. I said hf prob scum and i'm retracting HARD giantess on Kels.. Tired of repeating myself, not do I have the time for it. Obv if he's scum that push is too stupid to.achieve anything anyway so why WOULD he hold onto.org? On July 06 2015 23:02 marvellosity wrote: you should be done with this because you're being absolutely appalling. On July 06 2015 23:06 Harkon wrote: ... Yes, you repeated yourself way too often. No, you never answered the initial question. If it makes no sense to do as scum why is he scummy for doing it? You aren't making sense. On July 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote: Lol ruxx/hf prob scum Get rekt To the rest of y'all...learn to read On July 06 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote: did you ever stop to consider, rsoultin, that the fact you have to moan at people not-reading things 100 times per game actually says a whole lot more about what you're writing than how people are reading? Did it? Because it should. think about it. it's you. it's not everyone else. it's you. What I see is a person unable to give a clear answer to a question, responds poorly to pressure and is unable to formulate a clear answer. Let me explain how what rsoultin said makes no sense: She said that kelsier was scummy for doing something retarded. She then said that retardation is mafia indicative for intelligent people(which she thinks kelsier is). She then said that if kelsier was scum, then the kelsier push was too retarded to achieve anything i.e kelsier is town? This last quote is the most peculiar one. She's claiming that kelsier is scum for making a retarded push on her. Yet he dropped the push because it wouldn't achieve anything anyway. So why did he make the push in the first place as scum if it was never going to achieve anything. She thinks kelsier is intelligent. but the the push he made was retarded. Yet somehow kelsier wouldn't know the push was retarded until AFTER he made it and not BEFORE? Absolute rubbish. The trfel case: Rsoultin had a town-read on trfel. Which is completely fine. But the way she went about disrupting HF from pushing Trfel is complete non-sense from a town perspective. She instigated HF into a shit-fight and insisted on interjecting, derailing the whole questioning of trfel and alleviating pressure off him when HF had legitimate concerns. This is how it went down: I expressed my concerns about rsoultins behavior, and accused her of disrupting trfel. Instead of coming back with a level-headed response she called my accusation a pile of shit and that I didn't read the interaction. Basically she dismissed it because apparently I hadn't read the interaction well enough. So I go back and re-read it again carefully for two reasons 1) To make sure that what I said was actually correct, I could've been wrong. 2) To bring her more concise evidence that she could dispute. So I do that and end up with the paraphrasing in my post here: I bring her concrete evidence of what she's doing and link to the pages I get the paraphrasing from. And her response (knowing very well that what I've paraphrased is correct) Still insists it's incorrect as to not give credit to my case on her: She even goes on trying to change the topic. Here I am bringing in a heavy accusation against her, and she just brushes it off as if it was nothing instead of actually trying to correct it or explain what she really was doing. I tell her that it's incorrect she has to tell me HOW it's incorrect or I'll assume that I was correct. My paraphrasing is pulled directly from the quotes in the thread, so there's a very small chance that it's incorrect, but I'm willing to listen if she can explain why. I'm not trying to push something on her that's contrived. I'm openly inviting everyone to review the interaction for themselves. This is not something I made up on my own, this is directly pulled from conversation in the thread. Yet she keeps insisting the my paraphrasing is faulty and that it's clearly wrong just by reading the interaction. Well I did read the interaction that what I got out of it is what I stated. Again she's brushing off my paraphrasing as scummy instead of actually trying to explain what the correct way to read the situation was. Super scummy behavior trying to discredit my case on her by simply saying it's wrong instead of giving reasoning for why it's wrong. I later proved that my paraphrasing was correct when I pulled the quotes for paraphrasing: What I want you to take from all this is not just the fact of her disrupting HF's questioning but the way she reacted when accused of it. Instead of saying "here's where you're wrong because I meant this and this", she instead calls my accusation a "steaming pile of crap" and "wrong". She tries to dismiss it and change topics instead of actually pointing out where I am wrong. That is scum behavior if I've ever seen it. Besides that, most of her filter is just fluff and useless comments. She's not critically thinking about the game or trying to infuse new thoughts. I see no resemblance of someone actually trying to solve the game. What has she done this game besides defending trfel, getting into shit fights and making useless comments? I'll be more than happy to lynch rsoultin today. point one: show me i haven't used it in my town games ^^ and prove that i was ever in any way being a scared little girl in my posting toward anyone point two: what was the context of that post? cause i think you missed it xP xP xP xP xP xP point three: i said and it's right in the part of the exchange that you're leaving out, that kelsier doing that made me doubt my townread on him, but it wasn't enough to scumread him for cause his early posting was still good. and when people asked me why town would back off it, i said that scum would know that was a shit push just as much as town would, so why would they hold it? like you're completely ignoring the part where i was still townreading him when i wrote that post even though that made me doubt his alignment some not only was i on my phone during that exchange, but people were misunderstanding everything i was saying and it was annoying. like you're still appparently doing point four: or...i saw you misrepresenting me and thought it was coming from scum so told you to f off ^^ you conveniently leave out the hour i took discussing every single part of your paraphrase that was wrong in a completely civil manner to try to get a read on you where you completely ignored anything i said, made it clear you weren't interested in really determining my alignment, and just kept repeating the same old thing even though i clearly demonstrated how you were misreading/misrepresenting my interactions with hf and the fight that he started and perpetuated! point five: prove i haven't done anything for this game. i dare you. my case on hf may have been wrong, but i didn't misrepresent anything. i didn't with scott, or milo. i doubted the mz thing and went back to look at the milo and rit claims. i tried to bring damdy to marv's attention. like how have i been doing nothing this game? | ||
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On July 18 2015 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote: K guys who should i vote for read it's this amazing thing people do when they actually give a shit about the game they're playing ^^ | ||
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On July 18 2015 21:48 rsoultin wrote: okay. i'll bite did you ever, at any point, doubt hf was town before then? quote it ^^ why did you suddenly think he was more likely to be scum than town? cause, hun, i know you're smart enough to realize that doubting townies can switch off for a no-lynch just as easily as scum can save a scum partner, so for any of that to make sense you had to think hf was more likely to flip scum than town or be super illogical as a human being explain why he was scum to you just as everyone else was beginning to think he was town and while you're at it, why am i the "scummiest" person on that list? and nothing "preventing" me from being scum with someone is not the same as things actually suggesting that i am scum with someone, unless you think every single other player in this game has a reason preventing them from being scum with kelsier and damdy xP like who are my two scummates? and why was your call to arms while defending hf for the umpteenth time, but he's townier than rsoul! therefore he must be town and she is scum! what is this either/or bs argument you've got going down? what makes our fight impossible to come from two townies? cause, newsflash, it did, so obviously it's not impossible but you already know that, don't you? ^^ ^ answer, ruxx and instead of trying to make a big shiny case, why don't you just say the truth: 'i've had her as scum since d1 for things that don't make her scum and have never bothered to reevaluate' because absolutely none of those points come from after d1 except maybe some of the exchange over your paraphrasing, but the paraphrase still came from d1, and i treated it as i would anything that was terrible and probably coming from scum ^^ you're singing the same old song. don't you know any other tunes? | ||
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prob bf - he found the most ridiculous reasons to afk his vote like i've ever seen -_- and excuses it by saying "i'll never reevaluate so don't even try" then one of clarity/wave most likely...clarity seems to have stopped playing since hf's martyring other than a few posts here and there, and wave...yeah i know he prefers playing scum but like this is ridic -_- i guess if i'm wrong on any of my townreads it's most likely trfel? but i doubt it lol >< | ||
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it's a really shallow read, though, ignoring why i leave legacies. there have been times i don't leave them as town, and times i leave them as scum to throw people off-track i leave them as town because i expect to be nkd i didn't expect that this game. (yeah, i know i obviously wouldn't if i were scum, too xP i get that) but i mean, kinda obvious that if everyone is saying there's scum between hf and myself, if they kill me and he's scum, he gets more flak. but since we were both town it still makes sense to let us go at each other and try to get the double-mislynch plus all the blue claims? like, i even alluded to it last night phase, were i was going to stay up and put in a lot of work but just said, yeah, i only die if ruxx is scum and prob not even then. it's a little obvious scum is going to try to milk this hf/rsoul thing if they can -_- | ||
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On July 18 2015 23:55 Clarity_nl wrote: If wave prefers playing scum then the complete afk by him makes him most likely town, no? I think I'm just gonna sheep geript regarding WoS and never lynch him unless I'm at 3 man lylo with someone I read as town. i agree? like i honestly think that if we lynch ruxx/va/bf we win but bresh asked me what about if i'm wrong on ruxx so yeah | ||
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rsoul for mayor! \o/ | ||
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