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On July 15 2015 06:22 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 06:14 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 06:12 LightningStrike wrote:On July 15 2015 06:11 Holyflare wrote:On July 15 2015 06:10 boxerfred wrote:On July 15 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
I don't think i ever ad hom in my mafia games ever You do this game, in a subtle way. You're not saying "fuck you" but a lot of your posts have a subtext of "you're bad/stupid". Here: + Show Spoiler +On July 15 2015 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
lol jat you might be mad that such a great entity such as myself dislikes your style of play but that doesn't excuse you from actively trying to throw the game by refusing to participate with that player because you're in tears and stubborn On July 15 2015 04:29 Holyflare wrote:
and ls' read is a pile of steaming poop, it's literally based on meta that we don't argue as town which is actually just not meta and rather me being placid and not disagreeing on something, of course if 2 ego's collide in differing opinions they will argue
+ she plays badly On July 15 2015 05:00 Holyflare wrote:
man you guys calling the guy giving the TOWN COP a chance scummy while everyone else did shit all and afk'd
:D :D :D :D :D
get gud guys On July 15 2015 05:52 Holyflare wrote:
like is this really what a good player does?
"I think hf is mafia because x player plays like x as town and hf is misrepresenting him"
"no, that's not true! there's evidence in this game to say he's not playing like x! point out things that you think are similar to his town game and i'll counter it with evidence!"
"nah i'm done hf is mafia!" ....to just call the ones from your last 2 pages. yes i know i'm doing it in this game sherlock and i'm town i'm saying as mafia i don't ad hom people You did as scum vs Fid who was the confirmed Mason with rsoultin at that game. show me where i ad hom'd him instead of trying to just discredit him because his reads were based on % chances? this game i'm attacking the player and that game i attacked his logic, nothing is similar in the slightest Show nested quote +On June 25 2015 07:25 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2015 07:24 Fidei86 wrote:
Short divine intervention I am lynching Mig, HF then Va in that order and I shall not be talked down. haahha dude please, read what i write before saying this crap On June 25 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:On June 25 2015 07:17 Fidei86 wrote:
So it seems to me that the next week of this game is going to be tedious, as we lynch Mig VA and HF. Wonder who the last Mafia is. why do people keep saying this there was 1kp on night 1 which is a 2kp night va is pretty much confirmed jk with no jk or banisher cc?? i'm also 100% town but don't mind dying to prove that if we get an extra mislynch or whatever
if you think this is anywhere near ad hom or anywhere near similar to this ls then you've completely misread the entire game
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On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
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- va
- ows
shitfight
lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think
of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic)
Hello rsoultin.
Anything in my list post that you disagree with?
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give me a sec, clarity. i remember it looking fairly good but i know i didn't agree with all of it
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On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
@.@
- va
- ows
shitfight
lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think
of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic)
Why aren't you doing anything now that we are through the lined up lynches?
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+ Show Spoiler +On July 15 2015 04:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
Reads somewhat in an order:
marv - marv seems happy and is very involved. He's changing his mind based on new or missed info and seems to want to solve the game. He's playing the "woe is me I don't know who scum is" card a bit too much but I think it's fine. If you end up with marv at 3-man or 5-man lylo he's probably scum, since I think his scum game is good (regardless of what others say) but until then DO NOT LYNCH
HF - Honestly I don't see what other people are mentioning. HF is obviously very involved and he brings up unique points. He's gotten emotional a fair few times which is an easy way for scum to get ignored but it's offset by how useful he's been, interacting with everyone etc. Same as with marv maybe once you get to lylo take another look but I'm pretty confident he's town. I also liked his push on OWS n3. DO NOT LYNCH
Harkon - The possibility exists that scum shot marv n1 and harkon is scum claiming vet, but honestly I doubt it. His posts have been townie and good, he can't really expect to claim vet and then survive at lylo, but if he does then reconsider. Until then DO NOT LYNCH.
LS - Confirmed gunsmith, worst claim ever.
ritoky - Confirmed cop, also a pretty terrible claim.
HtS - I've really liked her posting after d1, she's claimed miller early and she's changing her mind A LOT but always for good reasons, which I think is hard to fake as scum.
Trfel - I think I agree with DMA. Would be pretty low for scum!trfel to go to such lengths as to use his irl situation to avoid being lynched. Other than that it's hard to tell by his posting, but I think he's likely town.
Rsoultin - I've waffled on Rsoultin quite a bit but in rereading she is making good points and her progression seems clear. I also think that scum!rsoultin wouldn't hint at trfel's irl situation regardless of trfel's alignment.
Oats - I really don't like Oats' style of posting and I wanted to shoot him n1 but he kinda clings onto stuff that I notice as well and I like his follow-up to stuff. He's been consistent and he's pushing the right people.
boxerfred - His list really was bad, even ignoring the fact that he didn't have LS as confirmed town his scumreads just do not line up with mine AT ALL, and he somehow had 6 people leaning scum when I have a real issue finding scum this game. I have a real issue seeing this post from either alignment however all his other posts seem to be of someone trying to figure out the game, so I guess he's town.
ruXxar - I honestly can't be bothered to read his stuff today, but my impression regarding him has always been "meh". I expect to live tonight so I'll do some reading tomorrow.
Vivax - Ehhhhhhhhh. I dunno, basically. I thought his indifference towards the milo lynch was super scummy but I liked his responses to my accusations sooooo... Hopefully he starts being super plumber soon and we can find out his alignment through that. Marv seems to think he's town.
EBH/VA - Hard to read into his posts. His defensiveness during n3 looks off. Basically he immediately said "this makes scott scum so people pushing me are scum" but then when asked he didn't really know who said what??? I have a hard time believing scum would bluehunt in thread rather than scumqt, but then again town shouldn't either soooooooo... NAI? He seems to have a lot of opinions but doesn't really care if anyone listens or who gets lynched. I think he's a good vigi shot, but lynching him can't be bad.
OWS - Very forgettable posting, doesn't really seem to care about who gets lynched, I've liked HF's posts on his n3. He has a lot of "I agree with this post I just quoted" posts while adding nothing, He went super hard for MZ but only after marv mentioned that he thinks MZ is scum. The only thing I've liked from him is his push on scott but scott does kinda look like lynchbait..
Breshke - I've read him as town based on his d1 for most of the game but I cannot recall a single thing he's done or said since then. In looking through his filter he immediately sheeped my post regarding milo and claimed that lynching damdred over milo would be bad even if damdred is RB, seems like a weird kind of logic to take. Scum obviously would love a milo lynch over damdred even if damdred is afterwards. He complains about the HF/milo interaction which I get, but then he calls milo confirmed scum which I do not. He showed no hesitation towards the end of d3 which I think makes him scum as milo started looking really townie near the end.
Scott - Super lynchbait. Whether he's playing badly as scum or badly as town is hard to see, but I keep coming back to this "BM is gonna flip wanderer 98% of the time" post and I just can't explain how that would come from town. I guess I like him being shot more than lynching him, but if he's town scum is never gonna kill him and I don't want him around at lylo, lol.
WoS - I don't know dude.
I am probably wrong about at least 1 town read, unless everyone who I have a scumlean on is scum.
nh, hf yeah lol >< he can sound good as scum quite easily...there's a reason everyone is wary of him. i need to review the ows meta case cause that also looked good to me when i first saw it, and i was/am still townreading ows to some extent. basically i've got him hovering around null and dipping one way or the other depending on my mood ><
would also put viva up, like, pretty confident he's town here cause of his scattered approach to the game...bresh i need to review. i had a town toneread on him early and have pretty much ignored him since, but i know he kinda fell off the map
mmm otherwise pretty close? i'd nudge ows up into null until the case on him is looked over and ruxx down into scumlean still...but scott is definitely my primary scumread at the moment
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On July 15 2015 06:44 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
@.@
- va
- ows
shitfight
lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think
of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic) Why aren't you doing anything now that we are through the lined up lynches?
^^ i'm still in class, lovely, while y'all spammed the thread like hellions
exam tomorrow
already said you won't see much of me till after
any other pointless questions you'd like to ask?
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On July 15 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 06:44 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
@.@
- va
- ows
shitfight
lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think
of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic) Why aren't you doing anything now that we are through the lined up lynches? ^^ i'm still in class, lovely, while y'all spammed the thread like hellions exam tomorrow already said you won't see much of me till after any other pointless questions you'd like to ask?
Not really.
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On July 15 2015 06:50 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote:On July 15 2015 06:44 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
@.@
- va
- ows
shitfight
lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think
of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic) Why aren't you doing anything now that we are through the lined up lynches? ^^ i'm still in class, lovely, while y'all spammed the thread like hellions exam tomorrow already said you won't see much of me till after any other pointless questions you'd like to ask? Not really.
and hell froze over 
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Rso go read the scum qt of my most recent newbie game to see that Hf is lying through his teeth.
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On July 15 2015 06:51 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 06:50 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote:On July 15 2015 06:44 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
@.@
- va
- ows
shitfight
lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think
of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic) Why aren't you doing anything now that we are through the lined up lynches? ^^ i'm still in class, lovely, while y'all spammed the thread like hellions exam tomorrow already said you won't see much of me till after any other pointless questions you'd like to ask? Not really. and hell froze over
My power knows no boundaries.
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It annoys me when people say cases are good when they don't do the research in regards to what actually makes them cases.
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On July 15 2015 06:51 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 06:51 rsoultin wrote:On July 15 2015 06:50 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote:On July 15 2015 06:44 Harkon wrote:On July 15 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote:
@.@
- va
- ows
shitfight
lol >< i just wasted like 45 mins of my life i think
of those two i think va's the better shot and i don't know why people are calling for an hf shot, other than he's being an annoying prat and they're afraid we can't lynch him later if needed lol >< (which may actually be a valid point but i'm willing to be optimistic) Why aren't you doing anything now that we are through the lined up lynches? ^^ i'm still in class, lovely, while y'all spammed the thread like hellions exam tomorrow already said you won't see much of me till after any other pointless questions you'd like to ask? Not really. and hell froze over My power knows no boundaries.
Except if Rayn is on your scum team 
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On July 15 2015 06:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Rso go read the scum qt of my most recent newbie game to see that Hf is lying through his teeth.
i've got the case on you bookmarked, ows, no worries...if you're telling the truth i'll find it
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Rsoultin, are you enjoying this game at all?
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On July 15 2015 06:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
It annoys me when people say cases are good when they don't do the research in regards to what actually makes them cases.
calm down lol >< if there's one thing people usually don't accuse me of, it's blindly sheeping cases. even if a case looks good, that doesn't mean it's accurate, and hf has a habit (kind of as both alignments, really) of exaggerating so yeah
yo, clarity, hf's filter in himalayas is a good example of his scum game. it's certainly the most recent. ippo is another good one. that might help you understand what people are saying. both games are linked in my profile
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My problem with the OWS case is there are only 3 games of OWS mafia games in the database (Hajime is inaccurate, Kita had that wrong) and Aperture 4 aside, the other two are ages ago, so regardless of HF's alignment, I don't think it's reliable.
Furthermore, I read through OWS's Aperture 4 filter, and there was plenty of sarcasm, lols, etc in that filter. If HF meant serious as opposed to easygoing, then I'd say the first half of that filter there are definitely posts where he's more serious than others, I mean he has to act like he's finding scum but he's definitely not uptight and there are posts where he seems relaxed and doesn't appear to give too many cares, so if he's getting that from Aperture 4 I'm going to have to disagree with him.
I would recommend reading the Aperture 4 filter and then coming to a judgement if you really are tentative on scum OWS. If you're getting that from filters in his earlier games, then.....I'd argue it's not reliable cause it was quite long time ago, unless you play with OWS off site or have some other information I'm not aware of.
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So here's something I also am thinking about.
From what I saw from damdred it doesn't seem like mafia are actually hard-bussing each other(some say that he likes to do that, but for this exercise I'll assume he didn't)
Using that and some arbitrary measure of what I consider pushing hard / throwing shit at each other I'd say that these people aren't mafia together(either town/town or town/mafia):
HF + Rsoultin.
HF + Trfel.
HF + Obi.
HF + HTS.
HF + Harkon
Ruxx + Trfel.
Ruxx + Rsoultin.
Boxerfred + Clarity.
Boxerfred + Oats.
I might've missed some interactions but yeah.
Not sure if this is a valid line of thought, but I'm thinking that as more mafia flip we can see if this is a tendency that holds true or if they are all just playing individually separate of each other.
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On July 15 2015 06:56 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 06:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
It annoys me when people say cases are good when they don't do the research in regards to what actually makes them cases. calm down lol >< if there's one thing people usually don't accuse me of, it's blindly sheeping cases. even if a case looks good, that doesn't mean it's accurate, and hf has a habit (kind of as both alignments, really) of exaggerating so yeah yo, clarity, hf's filter in himalayas is a good example of his scum game. it's certainly the most recent. ippo is another good one. that might help you understand what people are saying. both games are linked in my profile
Thanks. I will take a look at some point.
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EBWOP - I would recommend reading OWS's Aperture 4 filter and then coming to a judgement....
I mean, like I said irregardless of Holyflare's alignment I would not shoot into OWS. Oats saying that OWS is not memorable however is a different argument that can be investigated separately.
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that's not a valid line of thought ruxxar because i am not damdred and i will bus people if i feel like it, either way HtS it's based on my memory and not from actual evidence
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