EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 243
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Vivax
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Vivax
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A good case is rather based on showing that somebody has opinions he shouldn't have, where they conflict with things he said earlier. That's what Damdred fell for on the D1 of the game where he won cause I got mislynched. He was praising some dude who had some townreads that were Damdred's scumreads etc. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
What do you think of the meta read that he's useless as town (which OWS and marv subscribed to) and more ambitious as mafia. Are you aware of any prior situations where scum WoS (who has been around for awhile) has been useless? I came to the conclusion earlier that WoS was town based on his last game (NSM11 he was scum), completely different tone, aggressive and almost a dick to some people etc etc. WoS in threads outside the game has also put down his town game, and that he usually has trouble scumhunting. Which if he's town this game would appear to be true in a game with 25 players. Do you have any valid points on a scum WoS that really does jack all? Maybe he's not following up, but I don't know if that's just "oh shit I'm really confused and don't know where to go" or just that he's got a dicey RL schedule (I think he said he has kids? IDK) or whatever. Like why doesn't what he do is possible as town? | ||
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Half the Sky
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 11 2015 04:41 Vivax wrote: It's one of those typical cases that argue why somebody is scum cause he doesn't behave like your picture of an ideal town player (but he didn't do anything with it, but he only soft-pushed etc. completely ignoring that my impact this game isn't particularly high). A good case is rather based on showing that somebody has opinions he shouldn't have, where they conflict with things he said earlier. That's what Damdred fell for on the D1 of the game where he won cause I got mislynched. He was praising some dude who had some townreads that were Damdred's scumreads etc. That's sort of the point I was trying to progress with the first half of my case. The parts about geript and Damdred. For geript he clarified his stance. At that time why did you still want to kill him? I'll try and break this down for you - when I was reading your filter he is clarifying himself and then you go to say "I don't want to distract from killing geript, etc etc" (paraphrasing, see the quote I posted AFTER my case) so that tells me you are still very much wanting to lynch him then. Shouldn't your opinion have changed? Or did you have a reason at that time it did not? That is what I was driving at. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 10 2015 19:12 Vivax wrote: Feel free to give me a taste of the whip if I keep being lazy for too long. So now that you are on board with lynching Damdred, etc. Where do you stand on the rest? If you assume there's 1-2 within the claims, do you even have a hunch of where other scumreads could be? I assume WoS and MZ are (still??) on your list, if they are not then whom? | ||
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Vivax
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Vote Count Damdred (18): XEliteBlueHunter69X, scott31337, Harkon, Half the Sky, rsoultin, WaveofShadow, ruXxar, LightningStrike, geript, Boxerfred, Meapak_Ziphh, KelsierSC, ObiWanShinobi, trfel, marvellosity, clarity_nl, Vivax, Holyflare, ritoky Milo109 (2): Breshke, Milo109 Clarity_nl (1): Damdred Holyflare (1): Oatsmaster Not Voting (0): Currently, Damdred is set to be lynched. With 23 alive it takes 12 to lynch. Day ends at Friday, Jul 10 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in . Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link) | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 11 2015 05:04 Vivax wrote: Next logical step if Damdred flips scum is to look at milo. I'm not even bothering to do anything else for the moment as it's a waste of time when there's information incoming anyway. Nearly the entire game agrees on that point. But you also did afk from the thread for nearly 48h (8-10 July) which is partially why I asked the question. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 11 2015 03:18 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Well that's pretty damn weak. Vivax does the same thing wave does. Come in, make an excuse for his play, and bails. A townie doesn't go "hey guys, sorry I'm bad, gonna keep being bad until you lynch me" a townie tries their best to appear town. Vivax and wave aren't thinking like that, they're just trying to find excuses for their scummy play rather than actually try to appear more townie by helping scum hunt. you've played enough that you can't genuinely believe this is true in a blanket fashion | ||
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marvellosity
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Harkon
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Vivax
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On July 11 2015 04:50 Half the Sky wrote: That's sort of the point I was trying to progress with the first half of my case. The parts about geript and Damdred. For geript he clarified his stance. At that time why did you still want to kill him? I'll try and break this down for you - when I was reading your filter he is clarifying himself and then you go to say "I don't want to distract from killing geript, etc etc" (paraphrasing, see the quote I posted AFTER my case) so that tells me you are still very much wanting to lynch him then. Shouldn't your opinion have changed? Or did you have a reason at that time it did not? That is what I was driving at. I was of the opinion that geript was exaggerating aspects of his play on purpose to look more townie (confidence, dickishness), I called him a liar for that, not for anything specific. Just that scum=liars/actors. On July 11 2015 05:01 Half the Sky wrote: So now that you are on board with lynching Damdred, etc. Where do you stand on the rest? If you assume there's 1-2 within the claims, do you even have a hunch of where other scumreads could be? I assume WoS and MZ are (still??) on your list, if they are not then whom? They're both on ice, I didn't even reread them so far cause I see no reason to. Doing work and posting cases at this point is at best good for burying what I write under the pile of what's incoming given that today's lynch is already decided. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
Also, good work keeping things relatively civil since the last warning. Let's keep up the good work everyone! | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
It's an extremely natural reaction and it's ridiculous to suggest he shouldn't. Of course he will. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On July 11 2015 05:04 Vivax wrote: Next logical step if Damdred flips scum is to look at milo. I'm not even bothering to do anything else for the moment as it's a waste of time when there's information incoming anyway. So what you're saying is you are keeping track to see if people are mentioning you, but you aren't actually reading the thread to the point where you know milo has a good chance of being lynched tomorrow and is being pushed by multiple people? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 11 2015 04:35 Vivax wrote: Cute case, good effort but we're lynching Damdred today and the next day decide what to do with milo. A lot of your points is that I have no followup on things, that's true, cause when I don't find resonance on a player for something I found suspicious I just move on and look elsewhere for something that convinces more people. And at the time I posted those maybe 2 other people were scumreading geript, and everybody except you didn't seem interested in what I wrote about Damdred. I don't try to push myself into the foreground to lynch a single player if my best arguments weren't perceived as strong or interesting in the first place, especially not on D1. Several shit-tastic tunnels you've made on me d1 say otherwise | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On July 11 2015 05:11 Vivax wrote: They're both on ice, I didn't even reread them so far cause I see no reason to. Doing work and posting cases at this point is at best good for burying what I write under the pile of what's incoming given that today's lynch is already decided. Semantics clarification - on ice meaning they are null or that you have "put them on ice" or put them away until post-lynch? | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
On July 11 2015 05:12 marvellosity wrote: btw there is nothing wrong with HF defending himself. It's an extremely natural reaction and it's ridiculous to suggest he shouldn't. Of course he will. When I pointed it out it's like... I dunno, like he would be yelling rsoultin is scum, and then when rsoultin points out a reason HF is scum he would spend two paragraphs explaining why he would do said thing as either scum or town. He didn't do it because rsoultin's argument was scummy, but rather only to defend himself, which is weird if he is relatively confident that rsoultin is scum. Stuff like that. Like obviously you get accused you defend yourself but he takes every little thing and then acts like he needs to fight his hardest to not get lynched on the spot, and that kinda defensiveness I see coming from scum more than town. It's just a feeling tho | ||
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