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Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 14:36 GMT
#4061
On July 09 2015 23:34 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 23:32 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 09 2015 23:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 09 2015 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
why would he

That wasn't the point. The point was that either got lucky or they had felt like Palmar could of been blue or felt like he was a big enough threat(WTF) that he should of been night killed anyways. Also it kinda bugging me that HF is alive atm but maybe when Day 3 comes we could talk about HF.


I think Ras suggested it but Harkon/Palmar kills suggest someone that knew could read them well (a "big" or I think she meant high-profile player) would suggest HF. I'd agree on this point.

WIFOM yes, but it is very much in the realm of possibilities.

Even absent this there is behavior-based support for scum HF here.


yup "big" = high-profile "town gods"

i put it quotations cause ego...i like to think they're not a million times better than me...just maybe 100 times lol ><

awwwww
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 09 2015 14:37 GMT
#4062
On July 09 2015 23:36 Damdred wrote:
Hi Marv, I intact do love you. However I took a chance of not jk you because I was going into the wifom of scum would think you were being protected.

Gut reaction ls is making up reasons or over explaining his vote on saying a lot of it is due to my weirdness early fay one. However if you check his filter you will see that he town read me for my early d1 things. I'm pretty sure he's scum here still.

Rsoultin is probably scum as well for what I said earlier.

Milo is probably the third. Two more will be found

Why is Milo scum? Do you think you stacked with the scum rb?
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 09 2015 14:39 GMT
#4063
I not scum fyi but everything does seem to point towards Damdred being scum(Yes I townread him early for his push but still it was a weird push even for his standard).
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 09 2015 14:39 GMT
#4064
On July 09 2015 23:36 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 23:34 rsoultin wrote:
On July 09 2015 23:32 Half the Sky wrote:
On July 09 2015 23:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On July 09 2015 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
why would he

That wasn't the point. The point was that either got lucky or they had felt like Palmar could of been blue or felt like he was a big enough threat(WTF) that he should of been night killed anyways. Also it kinda bugging me that HF is alive atm but maybe when Day 3 comes we could talk about HF.


I think Ras suggested it but Harkon/Palmar kills suggest someone that knew could read them well (a "big" or I think she meant high-profile player) would suggest HF. I'd agree on this point.

WIFOM yes, but it is very much in the realm of possibilities.

Even absent this there is behavior-based support for scum HF here.


yup "big" = high-profile "town gods"

i put it quotations cause ego...i like to think they're not a million times better than me...just maybe 100 times lol ><

awwwww

(Pokes JAT)
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 09 2015 14:40 GMT
#4065
On July 09 2015 23:36 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
my theory is that when I joined BH completely changed the setup at the last second and gave everyone a blue role so that my blue hunting would actually be useless. Genius.

Blue is normally not a good thing to do as town as it makes it easier for scum to kill them and or make them useless via roleblocks.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 09 2015 14:43 GMT
#4066
On July 09 2015 23:37 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 23:36 Damdred wrote:
Hi Marv, I intact do love you. However I took a chance of not jk you because I was going into the wifom of scum would think you were being protected.

Gut reaction ls is making up reasons or over explaining his vote on saying a lot of it is due to my weirdness early fay one. However if you check his filter you will see that he town read me for my early d1 things. I'm pretty sure he's scum here still.

Rsoultin is probably scum as well for what I said earlier.

Milo is probably the third. Two more will be found

Why is Milo scum? Do you think you stacked with the scum rb?


could have, he has a lack of suspicion towards ritoky, his first reaction start of day was a red check instead of questioning the claim on ritoky. He totally believes ritoky without any doubts and your claim as well, its a bit odd.

On the other side his posts about how he wants to hard defend me are really strange and leave me feeling odd especially when in other posts he infers I am probably scum anyway? Its just strange and doesn't seem like any actions a cop would take

also his reaction test bore nothing worth mentioning to us just called us donkeys
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 09 2015 14:50 GMT
#4067
The bus is starting.
No gg, No skill.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 09 2015 14:53 GMT
#4068
On July 09 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote:
could have, he has a lack of suspicion towards ritoky, his first reaction start of day was a red check instead of questioning the claim on ritoky. He totally believes ritoky without any doubts and your claim as well, its a bit odd.

On the other side his posts about how he wants to hard defend me are really strange and leave me feeling odd especially when in other posts he infers I am probably scum anyway? Its just strange and doesn't seem like any actions a cop would take

also his reaction test bore nothing worth mentioning to us just called us donkeys


Will ask you the same question I asked Breshke given the bolded. Absent the claim do you have any behavior based reason to scumread Harkon?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 14:54 GMT
#4069
you're misunderstanding HtS
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 09 2015 14:56 GMT
#4070
"your claim is a bit odd" - directed at Harkon, right?

I mean in a world that Damdred is real JK and given the 3 prot argument I can see a doubt there but...
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 14:58 GMT
#4071
no, the "it's a bit odd" is summarising the rest of the sentence before it, i.e. how milo treats all those things
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
July 09 2015 14:59 GMT
#4072
Yeah I was talking about mills reaction rather than the claim by hark
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 09 2015 15:00 GMT
#4073
Got it. I stand corrected then
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 09 2015 15:05 GMT
#4074
Did you ask me if I scum read harkon HTS? If you did I missed it and if you did then I'm not really interested in considering him absent the claim because it's pointless. Maybe if it was a shitter like me then sure the person could be mafia because I could claim vet then just be left alive because I might say some alright stuff but I probably won't solve the game like that's what I could argue as scum but JAT can't really do that he either dies very soon or lives long enough to figure the game out. If we start lynching town after town and JAT is alive then I'll just vig shoot him
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
July 09 2015 15:06 GMT
#4075
On July 10 2015 00:05 Breshke wrote:
Did you ask me if I scum read harkon HTS? If you did I missed it and if you did then I'm not really interested in considering him absent the claim because it's pointless. Maybe if it was a shitter like me then sure the person could be mafia because I could claim vet then just be left alive because I might say some alright stuff but I probably won't solve the game like that's what I could argue as scum but JAT can't really do that he either dies very soon or lives long enough to figure the game out. If we start lynching town after town and JAT is alive then I'll just vig shoot him

You just claimed Vig?
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 09 2015 15:07 GMT
#4076
you're so cute, LS
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 09 2015 15:13 GMT
#4077
On July 10 2015 00:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2015 00:05 Breshke wrote:
Did you ask me if I scum read harkon HTS? If you did I missed it and if you did then I'm not really interested in considering him absent the claim because it's pointless. Maybe if it was a shitter like me then sure the person could be mafia because I could claim vet then just be left alive because I might say some alright stuff but I probably won't solve the game like that's what I could argue as scum but JAT can't really do that he either dies very soon or lives long enough to figure the game out. If we start lynching town after town and JAT is alive then I'll just vig shoot him

You just claimed Vig?


No I was joking soz

I'm off and I probably won't be around too much tomorrow at least until much later or something
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 09 2015 15:25 GMT
#4078
For Breshke before I depart - some notes I had on EBH. I felt a lot of, if not most of his comments could come from either alignment, so I was having a rough time reading him. Just a quick PBPA -

1 Exchange between Obi/him - His responses to Obi seem reasonably town, he doesn't care what OWS thinks, etc. Could be a slight town tell here.

2 Comments on Breshke - This I found REALLLLY tenuous

On July 08 2015 23:52 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:

[...]

I also have this post as being particularly strange

Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:37 geript wrote:
Btw. I'm pretty sure that Breshke is town. Like 99%.


I don't like this. I know you extensively looked into a meta read on me but it feels like that was a while back and that you wouldn't be this sure without looking at some of my more recent games to see if anything has changed.

It could also be because the last time you hard townread me you were scum and i was so easily pocketed haha


Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz"


I had to read this about 10x to figure out what he meant but I don't know why a scummer would want to draw attention to themselves like this. Breshke especially as scum is more aggressive to his scum reads (yeh yeh meta w/e) but even ignoring meta the responses Breshke gives are reasonable - for geript's standards for what we know (at that time) Breshke could understandably think that geript is giving an "easy" townread on him based on familiarity.

I don't see why EBH is making a big deal out of nothing. That is of course if I'm understanding this right.

3 BM as wanderer - could come as either alignment

4 Milo not being scum - well roles here are limited shot so trying to clear milo off this is weak and I disagree that there were "limited red flags". Disagreeing alone doesn't make him scum but it's something to think about if he does flip scum.

5 The KSC/Breshke/OWS question - I guess given EBH filter it COULD make sense (if you look at his filter) but those three I ALSO have been townreading so that comment does strike me as weird.

6 Analysis on KP/Damdred - Not knowing who he is, his Damdred comments could be coming from either alignment.

It's murky on my end but these are my thoughts.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 09 2015 15:26 GMT
#4079
Work is destroying me today so expected return prob late tonight or something. Ergh.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
July 09 2015 15:28 GMT
#4080
On July 10 2015 00:05 Breshke wrote:
Did you ask me if I scum read harkon HTS? If you did I missed it and if you did then I'm not really interested in considering him absent the claim because it's pointless. Maybe if it was a shitter like me then sure the person could be mafia because I could claim vet then just be left alive because I might say some alright stuff but I probably won't solve the game like that's what I could argue as scum but JAT can't really do that he either dies very soon or lives long enough to figure the game out. If we start lynching town after town and JAT is alive then I'll just vig shoot him


Yes I did.

But fair enough, I know what you meant.

Now I'm off.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
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