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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 08 2015 14:50 GMT
#3421
On July 08 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
see the thing is, I don't really think HtS is mafia.


Neither do i anymore

#comeatmeguys
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#3422
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#3423
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

btw this gives me the heebie jeebies.

In the champions of champions of champions game, there was 1 player who said more than once that he had no idea how to read me, despite the fact i was posting volumously and in a very natural, carefree manner (see here). And, well, you know where i'm going with this, he was mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#3424
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
July 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#3425
On July 08 2015 23:06 milo109 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 22:54 Holyflare wrote:
On July 08 2015 22:39 milo109 wrote:
HtS, I don't actually think I've solved the game. Obviously, I'm probably wrong on a couple people. But this is where I want to look.


I have no idea how you still scum read me for a post where I corrected your faulty knowledge and you agreed it was faulty.

The ability to correct my logic does not prove your alignment either way.


No it doesn't but you just said you scum read me for my read on hts being weird and when i explained it you said it made sense so it's no longer weird. Yet, you're still scum reading me for it.
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 08 2015 14:52 GMT
#3426
On July 08 2015 23:45 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
boxerfred I disagree with your Kelsier and HF reads quite a bit. Especially Kelsier, without meta, looks extremely townie to me. Like the towniest town that ever towned

Hm marv said the same but I don't see it. Please point it out to me why exactly he is "the towniest town that ever towned". If that's so obvious it should be easy to do so, right?

Another question: you did realize that I currently give HF a town lean and only go back to EOD because I want to solidify that read and hope to maybe find something that gives me a clue about marv? I mean marv should look townie to me at this point but I have a hard time believing it all. Can't give reasons for that sadly, more a feeling I guess.


Oh, alright cool.

Kelsier has just been extremely involved. His progression through the thread makes total sense and he genuinely looks like he's trying to figure out the game and put effort in. I don't really see what at all could possibly make him scummy. Like if you held a gun to my head and forced me to make a case on him I guess I could but.

The list of reads where he has town: breshke, oats, geript, HF and scum: ritoky trefl and half wave aligned with my thoughts at the time quite well. and he read me town which he really didn't have to do if he were scum as it was against thread sentiment at the time.

But the biggest argument is just the involvement and effort, really.


On July 08 2015 23:46 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:43 Clarity_nl wrote:
boxerfred I disagree with your Kelsier and HF reads quite a bit. Especially Kelsier, without meta, looks extremely townie to me. Like the towniest town that ever towned

Another thing is that you say "without meta" well without meta my points on kelsier are rather invalid. So you might consider to check his town meta in Himalaya with his meta in here and drop an opinion on that.



I'll do that at some point if needed but it's not really high on my list.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 14:52 GMT
#3427
On July 08 2015 23:37 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:35 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:23 Breshke wrote:
so EBH all mafia should just lurk D1 and you will never lynch them because you wont get any information. Sounds like a good plan.

talk about something else not how shit a lynch was you weren't around to do anything about


you are one of my inconclusive scum reads ironically so it might actually be in your best interest to lurk


Cool. Why's that?


Well to start you want me to divulge new information based on nothing when your entire filter consists of comments on other's work and very few original works (example your post on rsoultin's frustration), If that is a townie trait to you, I feel like you should be doing it yourself, no?

Prior to this I have in my notes that I forget you are even in the game until I read one of your posts which isn't a great sign, looking at your filter in detail you mostly piggyback thoughts and get away with posting limited analysis and asking other's questions, I don't feel like I have a grasp on what you are feeling this game at all. You have a strong scum on scott I see but besides that its like trying to put together a confusing puzzle

I also have this post as being particularly strange

On July 06 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:37 geript wrote:
Btw. I'm pretty sure that Breshke is town. Like 99%.


I don't like this. I know you extensively looked into a meta read on me but it feels like that was a while back and that you wouldn't be this sure without looking at some of my more recent games to see if anything has changed.

It could also be because the last time you hard townread me you were scum and i was so easily pocketed haha


Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz"
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 08 2015 14:56 GMT
#3428
On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.

marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 14:58 GMT
#3429
On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.


i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 08 2015 14:58 GMT
#3430

Kelsier has just been extremely involved. His progression through the thread makes total sense and he genuinely looks like he's trying to figure out the game and put effort in. I don't really see what at all could possibly make him scummy. Like if you held a gun to my head and forced me to make a case on him I guess I could but.


tbh this is the point where I come to a different conclusion after reading his filter. lots of his filter are questions that he does not follow up on. also some lols here and there, a "fuck you" and some "what"s. i don't like that since it's really completely the opposite of what he did as town in Himalaya. Tone wise and effort wise, too. I'd really want you to read through the himalaya filter but on the other hand, you're of my scum reads so I don't know if that makes sense.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 08 2015 14:59 GMT
#3431
On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.


i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*

It's pretty much a "yeah he's involved and doing stuff and being consistent but it's marv, he's pretty good so eh".
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 08 2015 15:00 GMT
#3432
On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.


i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*


Your scumgame is kinda good and makes me want to never get burned again.

But yeah I think you're town
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
July 08 2015 15:01 GMT
#3433
On July 08 2015 23:52 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:37 Breshke wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:35 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:23 Breshke wrote:
so EBH all mafia should just lurk D1 and you will never lynch them because you wont get any information. Sounds like a good plan.

talk about something else not how shit a lynch was you weren't around to do anything about


you are one of my inconclusive scum reads ironically so it might actually be in your best interest to lurk


Cool. Why's that?


Well to start you want me to divulge new information based on nothing when your entire filter consists of comments on other's work and very few original works (example your post on rsoultin's frustration), If that is a townie trait to you, I feel like you should be doing it yourself, no?

Prior to this I have in my notes that I forget you are even in the game until I read one of your posts which isn't a great sign, looking at your filter in detail you mostly piggyback thoughts and get away with posting limited analysis and asking other's questions, I don't feel like I have a grasp on what you are feeling this game at all. You have a strong scum on scott I see but besides that its like trying to put together a confusing puzzle

I also have this post as being particularly strange

Show nested quote +
On July 06 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:37 geript wrote:
Btw. I'm pretty sure that Breshke is town. Like 99%.


I don't like this. I know you extensively looked into a meta read on me but it feels like that was a while back and that you wouldn't be this sure without looking at some of my more recent games to see if anything has changed.

It could also be because the last time you hard townread me you were scum and i was so easily pocketed haha


Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz"


What new information? You said i was an inconclusive scumlean so there must have been something you didn't like?

Why do i need to be frustrated if i think rsoultin being frustrated makes her town? That isn't how that read works I am not in the same situation as rsoultin nor are we the same person.

Also your main reason for wanting to lynch me being that I havn't done shit is fairly ironic since you have done even less and you also were jsut berating people for lynching someone for lurking which is the same as not doing anything.

If you didn't like that post why not bring it up at the time? No you obviously just went into my filter and tried to find something you could paint as scummy because you havn't actually tried to make a read on me as of yet and are jsut making this stuff up now.

I didn't like geripts read because im not a strong player i don't contribute much so when he read me as like 99 percent town that early it could have been because of only one thing and that is meta. Like i said in the post he had a very good grasp of my meta but very likely had not checked my current games to see if anything had changed. Felt hasty like he was going for a pocket because he has pocketed me before.
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 08 2015 15:02 GMT
#3434
On July 09 2015 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.


i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*


Your scumgame is kinda good and makes me want to never get burned again.

But yeah I think you're town

His scumgame is good but not because it is so towny.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 15:03 GMT
#3435
On July 09 2015 00:02 Harkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2015 00:00 Clarity_nl wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:58 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:56 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:51 boxerfred wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:48 marvellosity wrote:
i'm probably the most obvious townie that's ever been seen, so you should probably work on your reading ability

I'm just having trust issues. You know, I got mislynched once. Or twice.

that doesn't make sense. especially as i've not been hostile towards you at all.

Yeah that's right, same thought came to my mind.

Okay I trust you. I think scum marv would've had it way easier just attacking me (since we played some games already together, you probably know how fast I can get myself into deep shit when I'm emotional) instead of arguing reasonably with me. Also I like how you always bring up ritoky, very consistent.


i just find it very weird how you're unable to townread me.

like it's the scummiest thing you've done by far. but i didn't mind your other posts. *shrug*


Your scumgame is kinda good and makes me want to never get burned again.

But yeah I think you're town

His scumgame is good but not because it is so towny.

^^^^^^^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
July 08 2015 15:12 GMT
#3436
Everyone looks town to me.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Harkon
Profile Joined June 2015
569 Posts
July 08 2015 15:14 GMT
#3437
On July 08 2015 23:08 rsoultin wrote:

beyond that i think bresh/truffle/marv/geript are top townies for me...would add palmar to that but lol my track record with palmar >< someone else can read him

Townreading Breshke, Trfel and fucking Palmar over me is kinda insulting.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 08 2015 15:19 GMT
#3438
On July 09 2015 00:12 Clarity_nl wrote:
Everyone looks town to me.

What, really? 0 scum reads?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 08 2015 15:23 GMT
#3439
On July 08 2015 23:50 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:11 marvellosity wrote:
see the thing is, I don't really think HtS is mafia.


Neither do i anymore

#comeatmeguys

i suppose i should ask why
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
XEliteBlueHunter69X
Profile Joined June 2015
155 Posts
July 08 2015 15:24 GMT
#3440
On July 09 2015 00:01 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2015 23:52 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:37 Breshke wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:35 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
On July 08 2015 23:23 Breshke wrote:
so EBH all mafia should just lurk D1 and you will never lynch them because you wont get any information. Sounds like a good plan.

talk about something else not how shit a lynch was you weren't around to do anything about


you are one of my inconclusive scum reads ironically so it might actually be in your best interest to lurk


Cool. Why's that?


Well to start you want me to divulge new information based on nothing when your entire filter consists of comments on other's work and very few original works (example your post on rsoultin's frustration), If that is a townie trait to you, I feel like you should be doing it yourself, no?

Prior to this I have in my notes that I forget you are even in the game until I read one of your posts which isn't a great sign, looking at your filter in detail you mostly piggyback thoughts and get away with posting limited analysis and asking other's questions, I don't feel like I have a grasp on what you are feeling this game at all. You have a strong scum on scott I see but besides that its like trying to put together a confusing puzzle

I also have this post as being particularly strange

On July 06 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote:
On July 06 2015 08:37 geript wrote:
Btw. I'm pretty sure that Breshke is town. Like 99%.


I don't like this. I know you extensively looked into a meta read on me but it feels like that was a while back and that you wouldn't be this sure without looking at some of my more recent games to see if anything has changed.

It could also be because the last time you hard townread me you were scum and i was so easily pocketed haha


Honestly most of the time I see people "not like" townreads on them it is because they think its some sort of reverse psychology as mafia where you are diverting credit towards yourself and it makes you look cool. Actually it just looks like an empty post where you tell a guy "actually your town read is wrong lolz"


What new information? You said i was an inconclusive scumlean so there must have been something you didn't like?

Why do i need to be frustrated if i think rsoultin being frustrated makes her town? That isn't how that read works I am not in the same situation as rsoultin nor are we the same person.

Also your main reason for wanting to lynch me being that I havn't done shit is fairly ironic since you have done even less and you also were jsut berating people for lynching someone for lurking which is the same as not doing anything.

If you didn't like that post why not bring it up at the time? No you obviously just went into my filter and tried to find something you could paint as scummy because you havn't actually tried to make a read on me as of yet and are jsut making this stuff up now.

I didn't like geripts read because im not a strong player i don't contribute much so when he read me as like 99 percent town that early it could have been because of only one thing and that is meta. Like i said in the post he had a very good grasp of my meta but very likely had not checked my current games to see if anything had changed. Felt hasty like he was going for a pocket because he has pocketed me before.


If English is not your primary language I'm afraid we can't get anywhere here. the majority of your response makes zero sense to what I just posted.

You realize that you posted that post a full 24 hours before I could first post in this game? Are you playing dumb on purpose? I don't get it.
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