EPTTL Mafia LXXI: Gaiden - Page 10
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On July 07 2015 12:04 milo109 wrote: I gave reasons for diagreeing. Whether or not you find them legitimate is up to you. Also, are you saying I'm bad mafia defending town trfel? That first sentence is confusing. On July 07 2015 11:42 milo109 wrote: How the hell do you know what is indicative of burnt out scum? Maybe he is just tired. Oddly specific point. Just because he scumreads you does not mean he is scum. Notice I'm still calling you town, despite your silly vote on me. Half the people in the thread have given terrible reasons for their reads. Like me. Trolling isn't indicative. yadi ya. The only way I find the point on LS convincing is if they are mafia together, and then either way I hit with my vote. These are your reasons for disagreeing but they are not really evaluated at all and don't address the points I actually raised. The burnt out scum thing was simply because I've experienced it before and it seemed very familiar. Sure, it could have been him being tired but then it continued into mafia redundant questions and processes which led me to believe it actually was just him being mafia and burnt out. Sure, you can say this is not relevant if you don't think so. Then there is the point about his questions which lead nowhere and have answers that he already knows about - you didn't address this point. You also misinterpret the point about his read on me. Him saying I am mafia has nothing to do with it. He has no logical reason to think I am mafia because he has not stated why I am mafia but instead just repeats that I am. Yet, he was quite happy to elaborate (although badly) on LS when asked but not anyone else. LS is an extremely easy person to push as town due to his nature. His list of reads do not really have substance behind them. You say "what differentiates them from a town with unexplained reads" and the answer is that a towny will try his best to explain when asked because what has he got to hide? Nothing. Trfel repeatedly hides things and says he won't reveal it or that he'll save it for later. He is playing very dishonest and mafia like. Trolling isn't indicative, sure. I troll a lot. Trfel does not particularly troll and if you read the database you would see that even if he does troll he actually plays seriously and logically. The rest of the LS read you have not really addressed at all. How can trfel make a case on LS based on the early game but the early game is when he said he doesn't scum read LS? He changed his read on LS because of questions he asked LS about ritoky. Where are they in his case? They do not feature because he is simply reading LS' filter and making scummy narratives from them. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:07 milo109 wrote: I didn't say anything close to that. Unless you are talking to someone else. that was in regards to rsoultin, I am also not voting for you by the way, I don't know why that's a feature in your reads. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:08 rsoultin wrote: i've been trying to do that? it feels like you're not letting me no, what i should say is it feels like you're trying to marginalize me, and that irrationally pisses me off Well when I ask people questions I expect reactions from the person and not someone saying no and back off and that's not indicative while i'm doing it before the person has responded  | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: this isn't entirely true but i don't want to argue it anymore, if that's okay with you "yes he trolls sometimes" is that what you're going to say? I don't want an argument and it doesn't have to be. If my opinion is wrong, point out how. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:19 rsoultin wrote: yeah. especially early game and in large games :/ i'm not going to lie and say that this is an exceptional amount of nothing compared to what i'm used to, though That's pretty much the crux of it. I've looked at all his big games and if it's trolling at the start of the game it's only a few posts max. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and that's why I put pressure on him so he'd start and be logical and instead he went the totally opposite reaction which he has never done before. Hence, scum read. | ||
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LS's filter is SCUMMY. Read it. I can link a dozen posts that raised my eyebrow. Whether you are town or mafia, your job is to build narratives. The question is which are the most convincing. I didn't think Trfel's was particularly convincing, but at least he is offering up a thread that we can then weight. This does not answer the point at all and is most concerning. I do not care if he builds a narrative on LS. I care that he earlier said LS is not scum after reading LS' filter. Nothing had happened since then. Trfel then returns and asks LS a question about Ritoky. Suddenly Trfel's read on LS changes to LS being mafia. Then he posts a case on LS and none of the things in the case on LS being mafia contain the questions about Ritoky. So why is his case a different version than his opinion in the thread? | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:31 Breshke wrote: Idk I just suddenly get how frustrated you are. Feels a lot like last game with the Gb stuff. Like I said my main reason i wasn't really liking you for town was because normally i can call tou town because you are saying a bunch of stuff that im thinking. That obviously isn't happening this game though but i do not think that this makes you scum because you have mainly been talking about trefel who you seem to have a read on that i along with the rest of the thread seemingly can't follow. So the question then is no matter trfels alignment do you as mafia defend trfel like this and let yourself get legitimately frustrated and up in arms after going through it last game. I think it is fairly unlikely and that you would take a path of less resistance. I even gave you an out in that post just before that you probably know as scum you could easily get me to town read you by just talking through some oats stuff with me. So i think the way you reacted makes me think you are town. I like you now. GJ! | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:36 milo109 wrote: I haven't. I've played one mini game before this. Don't bring that one up in front of Scott though. How in the world is being surprised at a cop claim that is in the form of a hashtag at all excusable? what do you mean? | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:40 milo109 wrote: Why is this worth, '...............'? How can you not expect this? Is LS taking this seriously? Is he annoyed? I don't understand any of those reactions as town. LS takes things incredibly literally, yes. That's his thing. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:41 Breshke wrote: Im not sure if this is sarcasm or not. I'm not asking you to reconsider your read. Like obviously you should be doing that anyway eventually but if you feel strongly about it push it just dont only talk about that (which i believe is what you are trying to do) No, it wasn't sarcasm. You were in my scummy poe list and now you are not. It was a well reasoned read. So, yeh, GJ! Keep being you! | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:42 Breshke wrote: I also think scott is probably mafia. His reads list was lackluster and jsut seems to be some surface level stuff without actually trying to work anything out. The only interesting thing is this But it feels like he is reaching and i don't really get why the AFK's get a mention halfway through. I'm not really sure how it's reaching? He says that Oats reacted differently to two different people that did the same thing, which is a good observation, is it not? I dunno about the afk thing, maybe he was making up the mafia list in one post and it looks a bit weird. That's my guess at least. Do need to read him though. | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Also ruxxar isnt playing anything at all like he did in his newbie. he's also playing nothing like he did in his mafia game | ||
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On July 07 2015 12:50 rsoultin wrote: the phrasing still bugs me like...when he said he didn't want to lynch ls for "bad reasons"...i feel like the natural way to phrase that would be he doesn't want to mislynch ls? it just sat uncomfortable with me no not really, he knows that it would be a bad reason because it's ls so he'd be lynching ls for bad reasons it's like english so i don't expect you to understand it  | ||
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Well these guys are just confirmed town and I will never ever lynch them. | ||
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