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Jesus I've only skimmed through like 5 out of the last 20 pages. All I'll say is I never liked bf nor do I like him now and I don't have enough information to make a good decision on gb because I'm simply not paying hard enough attention in this past day.
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You know we could be on two mafia. How awesome would that be
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On June 19 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want. can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote? he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form. i did that in response to him On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.
KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:
Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me. I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps for the initial case you have to read bugs That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately? GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that. yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then... I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit. LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad.
Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e
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On June 19 2015 04:59 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 04:57 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2015 04:55 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 04:54 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:50 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:47 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:43 ritoky wrote:On June 19 2015 04:41 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:39 ritoky wrote:
choppa 4 wants to vote on migs or LS.
one of my town reads try to talk me into doing something else if you want. can you be tempted by a cheeky GB vote? he isn't overwhelmingly town to me, so if you had solid reasoning, lay it on me. not in huge post form, condensed form. i did that in response to him On June 19 2015 04:37 KelsierSC wrote:On June 19 2015 04:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, let's try it in another way.
KelsierSC, VayneAuthority, LightningStrike, Holyflare:
Tell me exactly WHY are you voting me. I started reading WBS as town with his post about bf. He then raised some interesting points about you and summarised points of your play accurately You then made a very weak case on breshke which was actually bad enough for you to be mafia and then you also attempted to discredit and misrepresent WBG afterwards. Add on the posts linked by VA and Shockey from previous games when you all caps for the initial case you have to read bugs That's not really a compelling case. Maybe the compelling part is in the summarizing of play accurately? GB makes weak ass cases all the time as both alignments. He calls way more people mafia than could actually be mafia, and he types in caps as both alignments. If anything is mafia indicative about him it is that he went into OMGUS people voting on me = mafia mode at some point; and I didn't feel he was incredibly sold on the BF lynch prior to the change in gears. Although maybe my memory is foggy on that. yeh I suppose that is a fair point, I remember imperial when he made a lot of dumb cases then... I don't know , I liked bugs case a lot and i felt he was really misrepresenting him with that lurker bullshit. LS lynch might still be real if GB is actually town I'm fighting this temptation of lynching LS since he has a big filter, but oh boy, that vote on me was bad. Honestly lightning feels fucking fake as fuck to me in terms of tone and I feel like he's not angry after getting outed as pr and isn't really trying hard. W/e then why are you scum reading me and onegu for wanting to lynch him?
Until alignments flip I don't know the team. These are individual scum reads. I don't think you two are scum for wanting to lynch lightning I think you two are scum because your play is a lot more passive this game and onegu is going try hard
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Sorry BF.
For the people who didn't vote on GB, what are you thoughts on GB being potential scum? Curious. I know RS said he was town, but I want to know what other people think as well. The people who voted on him have large filters presumably on why GB is mafia. I just want to know where people stand before the day starts.
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On June 19 2015 07:46 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry BF.
For the people who didn't vote on GB, what are you thoughts on GB being potential scum? Curious. I know RS said he was town, but I want to know what other people think as well. The people who voted on him have large filters presumably on why GB is mafia. I just want to know where people stand before the day starts.
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On June 19 2015 09:08 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 07:46 NydusHerMain wrote:
Sorry BF.
For the people who didn't vote on GB, what are you thoughts on GB being potential scum? Curious. I know RS said he was town, but I want to know what other people think as well. The people who voted on him have large filters presumably on why GB is mafia. I just want to know where people stand before the day starts. So I just want to post this again because I think its a good question and a bunch of the people who voted on BFarn't around but should answer this when they get back. I also hope nydus is planning on answering this himself.
Only fidei answered and I didn't like it very much since his entire game right now hinges on "inactivity due to spam." Same as his reason for not voting on GB? I'm thinking that GB could very well be mafia but I'll tell you my opinion on him when the day starts. We're going to start a good scum hunt when the day starts boys. I can feel it in my bones.
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On June 19 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, caught up.
I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor.
Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin.
I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower.
Kelsier is town
Onegu is town
Ritoky still looks town
Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him.
We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy.
Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also.
VA is a coinflip
I need to read Fidei
I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play.
Am I forgetting someone?
Yo bitch if I was mafia and you're town I hope you realize I decided to kill a practically afk town over a town with a bigass filter?
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On June 19 2015 14:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2015 14:13 NydusHerMain wrote:On June 19 2015 14:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok, caught up.
I don't think scum LS, after risking fake claiming, would rescind at night and cause all that ruckus and draw so much attention to him. Pretty suicidal Mafia play. Unless he is GF/being framed and wants to draw a check/track in him? This is pretty wifom and I'll keep the Occam's razor.
Rsoultin looks top townie to me for the way she is approaching the game. She has no reason to defend me as scum rsoultin.
I've been liking Breshke's approach in this night phase. Sounds like someone who is genuinely trying to solve the game. I will review my case on him after I take a shower.
Kelsier is town
Onegu is town
Ritoky still looks town
Damdred dropped too much, should keep an eye on him.
We need to revisit Nydus. I forgot everything from this guy.
Shockey is probably Mafia. If Mig is Mafia, bugs is also.
VA is a coinflip
I need to read Fidei
I don't know about Holyflare. Too tunneled on me and some misrepresentations are things that I don't expect on his usual superb town play.
Am I forgetting someone? Yo bitch if I was mafia and you're town I hope you realize I decided to kill a practically afk town over a town with a bigass filter? lurking much? o.0
Deciding what to do
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with my reads. I'm going to wait to see who dies first.
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I'm dumb. I'm waiting til the day starts before I post.
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On June 20 2015 01:32 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2015 01:30 GlowingBear wrote:On June 20 2015 01:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:Just wanted to throw this out there, GB you've been saying I'm scum since the beginning in like in every game we have played together, you constantly attack me just cause. You don't even have a real reason as to why I am scum this game, you just say I am. Now I want you to think about the logic behind my vote switch. You say that the game is based on the biggest filter which I repeatedly asked you to give me a good explanation here and quite multiple times. "Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum?"Which you some what answered here, but I'm expecting something different out of you: On June 19 2015 13:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:55 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:52 rsoultin wrote:On June 19 2015 09:44 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 19 2015 09:40 Fidei86 wrote:
WBG, I'm going to hit you with some LOGIC right now.
If you're town, some of the people who are disagreeing with you KNOW you're wrong/right (because they're mafia!) and therefore their responses to your thoughts may well make no sense. The people you DO want to work with you (ie the town) are probably not going to appreciate being called dullards, so you just lost influence with them.
Obviously if you're mafia then w/e.
In summary - if you're town, don't say shit like that. Otherwise, people might start thinking you're mafia. I honestly don't care if some people think I am mafia. If they are town and they want to think that they are in some bizarro world they can, but they aren't doing themselves or the rest of the team any favours in doing so. Right now I'm pretty annoyed with the game given that I basically posted constantly and gave the best effort I could possibly give to get GB lynched and yet we lost at the end because of people like Shockeyy and Onegu who did absolutely nothing all game and yet had the greatest influence over the lynch in the end. The best part about all of this is that we have people like rsoultin who are fairly likely to be town at the end of it all complaining about the thread being hard or too long to read when they have the largest filters in the game, and yet having literally 0 scumreads over a space of 48 hours. while i work with the more than 0 scumreads i already gave you almighty amazing reader misrepresenting me so awesomely right now, do you mind attempting to reapproach the game from the perspective that you might actually be mistaken on gb, or is that a futile request for me to make, even as a hypothetical exercise? I already did that and the game actually doesn't make sense from that perspective why the fuck would multiple people hammer BF right at the end with no explanation whatsoever if there were two townies up for lynch? The case on GB was far stronger than the one on BF and pretty much the only person that disagreed with that was you. In fact, even some people who supposedly agreed with the GB case, e.g. Shockeyy and Mig voted BF instead of GB, while our troll friend ritoky over here ended up kindly wasting his vote completely. I want to give yamato the benefit of the doubt that he legitimately just forgot to vote or whatever but that lack of vote is also really damning for him given that he also found GB scummy prior to the lynch. Whatever though, I hate replacements and given his posting style and comments this game he's probably not scum anyway. You will ALWAYS be able to build bigger and more comprehensive cases on people that have 10x the pages of a second scum read. You're basically saying I'm Mafia with Shockey and Onegu out of bad unflipped association I need you to realize, I had the voting power to either lynch you or BF. I lynched BF because I based my response out of your stupid thought of having the biggest filter to not lynch D1 and his slight scum posts but what happened? We lynched a town, if you were pro town, why did you switch to me, the "new" lynch train? Why didn't you just stay on LS or switch to BF from the get go? Why were you second guessing who to vote? As soon as I voted you, you instantly switched to me, then I switch off you switched off. On June 19 2015 13:52 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 09:27 Fidei86 wrote:
WOWWW that last post of mine was crap. I should probably persevere and actually try and finish the filter dive. BRB. THIS post was crap. Why are you second guessing your own posts and posting this to tell us you're going to keep filter diving? Because you already have the biggest filter in the game. We lynched the smallest, now we should lynch the biggest if that's the logic you play by. Are you going to keep creating posts to build your filter to make it harder to scum read you? On June 19 2015 02:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 19 2015 01:58 GlowingBear wrote:On June 19 2015 01:50 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:27 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:22 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. that's cool. you once made a terrible list post a couple hours into the day and it was terrible. can you do that again but make it less terrible this time? thanks. I will post my list in the morning. Going to let the posts rack up a bit more. I want to see others thoughts before I finalize it for day 1. town: nhm - nhm's posting just reads town motivated, but he probably will drop to town lean due to his inactivity. ritoky - I like your posting style from the start, it probably rubs off the wrong way to certain people, but I found it easy to be able to communicate with you town lean: breshke - He really comes off as my highest town lean atm, his posting is like the game before and he was town with me. damdred - my reasons before. rsoul - her post below put her into the town lean last night. Still wary because she talks about LS as if he can't be scum. scum lean: LS - Read filter, I gave quite a few good points on him. bugs - His case will come afterwards, but his protection of LS just seems weird + Show Spoiler +On June 18 2015 22:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
I see I have been ninjaed.
Re: LS, I didn't defend LS prior to the claim because I myself was unsure of his alignment at that point. To me he seemed townish but my reasons were not very well qualified and it was mostly on the basis of him not acting in a very similar way to how he did in the last game where he was scum and we got him killed day 1. Indeed here his defense is a lot more passioned whereas in the previous game and in all the other scum games I read in which he got lynched he more or less rolled over and died.
The claim however pretty much instantly erased any doubts I had and that's when I chose to defend him because I knee jubjubs and scum would jump all over that shit to call him scum. The two worst responses IMO were yours and GB, and to a lesser extent Onegu whose only listed reason for voting was policy. IMO people who do not view that claim as a townish thing to do are either mafia or bad, and I really prefer not to assume someone is bad town when they have demonstrated some capability of thinking analytically.
GB's reaction to the claim was really terrible. He flipped his read on LS completely which is not what I would expect town to do simply on the basis of a claim. It also appeared very opportunistic because as soon as I showed resistance he backed off, and curiously tried to get my opinion on another low-hanging-fruit of a player, VA.
What's interesting to me here is that the more that I think on kt and write it out the more I find GB scummy than anyone else. Anyone else down to kill him today? I'm down, what's weird is that you talk about GB being weird for jumping off the LS train, but you're pretty much also doing the same thing, but with a lot more content to it... lohen - based on thread and points brought up on him. He's new to the game, but still hasn't really posted much... On June 18 2015 14:37 ritoky wrote:On June 18 2015 14:33 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Alright chops 4, btw what did you think of my push against LS and his responses to me? Also thoughts on rsoul? I agree with your points but not necessarily your conclusion. Because you seem to not regard the fact that he has done stupid claim shit like this as town on day 1 under no lynch pressure before. Your points aren't wrong, those are anti-town things and his responses to you are bleh at best. I learned from a recent Obs game that rsoul is an easy read for me in the late game. The problem is she shoots me as scum early in games and I shoot her as scum early in games so neither one of us ever gets there is we are opposing alignments. She is town for now cuz she seems interested in solving the game; will re-evaluate later. Except I expect after my outburst I am gonna get the HF treatment tonight. But what makes it the same as his previous claims? And I mentioned to him that it's easy to change meta, what are your thoughts on that? On June 18 2015 14:40 GlowingBear wrote:On June 18 2015 14:38 ShoCkeyy wrote:
GB give me your real thoughts on myself and LS, also what did you think of my push against LS? you were one of the few that I quoted. I don't remember it. I'll need to read your filter again. I think you're scum based on imperfect meta. I remember being on your skin last game and you kept being very... how could I say... cool headed? And I'm not actually seeing this here. LS has 8 pages of filter and I'm not lynching anyone like that day1 Did you ever read my filter? And why do you base games on largest filters? I don't get it, I have a small filter and I'm pro town. How does a large filter benefit town when trying to make cases on scum? On June 18 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:On June 18 2015 14:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:On June 18 2015 14:15 rsoultin wrote:
i'm not asking why you're scumreading lightningstrike shockey
i'm asking you why he is your top scumread...though perhaps the better way to phrase it is if he suddenly dropped dead, who else are you willing to lynch?
your only purpose for quoting those was to say nhm was town...multiple times? okay i guess lol >< In all honesty? You, but you still haven't given me a valid reason to call you scum and my current scum radar is going off on LS. And if you read my post you would see why he's my top scum read. And as mentioned I haven't fully looked into boxerfred yet. I've only read what holyflare has mentioned about him. oh i actually thought this was directed at rit lol >< dude, you're going to have to get over the fact that i'm ridiculously involved in threads. there's a method to the madness, and maybe it's not the best for town i'll admit but it somehow works best for me and regardless scum kills me frequently enough that apparently they don't like it either not really gonna change just cause people disapprove (especially since i doubt i can xP)if you read my filter, really read it, you will find what everyone finds and namely that is there's a ton more content than meets the eye  if all you've got is me and ls that's bad for you cause you're probably not lynching scum lol Bolded the necessary points so you can start understanding. Haven't read you filter yet I base day1 on biggest filters, not the whole game What? Why? I based my day 1 on whole thread and the interactions that happen between players. How can you see what's going on if you're only doing the biggest filters. You can keep thinking i'm scum, but if you are really town, I need you to realize I lynched the one that really seemed scummier to me. Either we work together and really find scum or you keep on with your ignorance of me since the first game we played together. Now back to re-reading thread and follow up since I have the time to do so atm. Wow. This post is so townie it hurts.Alright, I've calling you scum out of tone and imperfect meta. I'll take a step back and assume you can be town, since now I am very inclined to lynch other people I don't really want to fully disclose now. why?
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Wtf is green vt and named vt
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Holy fuck I thought ls was claiming pr not named vt. So confusing
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Onegu is mafia. I have my only exam on Monday. Will tune back in when it's done. Planning on making filter dives on everyone tonight and making that my last post other than one liners and votes until exam is over. Sorry for the inactivity, and damn I was sure I was dying n1.
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On June 21 2015 07:04 Fidei86 wrote:
Why do you say he's Mafia? His troll-y style is the same as in HG..
Doesn't feel the same. Where's the selfish play style he tried in hg? He was way greedier in hg, knew he was town, and used it to try to get mafia on him so that he could catch them with an omgus. This game it looks like he's just trying to get random people lynched whether or not he actually thinks they're mafia. It feels intentionally less scummy which is why I'm reading him scum.
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I'm still probably going to vote for gb because I doubt onegu is going to be a wagon today but can someone compare his gameplay in this game to hg and tell me I'm not crazy?
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And by gb I meant Shockey rofl.
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Whatever the Shockey read is like 40 pages old. Stay tuned until later tonight for a more accurate representation of my reads.
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I'm not keeping track of all the replacements either but that Yamato person seems hella fishy and has ritoky/damdred still been posting?
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