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On July 01 2015 17:55 Fidei86 wrote:
NHM the only thing I have to go on is last game, where he was incredibly vocal (some might say obnoxious :-)) all game, took the lead and didn't seem to give a crap about what other people thought). This game it's like the opposite. I know he says he doesn't care about his meta, but I would be voting him on that alone.
Can someone check whether ritoky ever gave a read on Damdred? He was a relatively early NK and he and Dandred claim to "soul read" each other.
I'll check ritoky's reads for damdred. Yeah I said it like day 1 all the way until now... Damdred feels super different but I'm willing to throw that read out because I've only seen him in guardians and this.
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Yeah I'm the above - it's not a "soul" read by any stretch, it's just what I'm going on.
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Ritoky is a pussy. Never gave a read on Damdred... not even leaning town or scum XD
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Let us not speak ill of the dead
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One more post incriminating HF, then I'll be busy for most of the rest of the evening.
Look at the posts leading up to the Shockey lynch. In particular, look at how Shockey describes Onegu. People talk about bussing all the time in lylo. But here we're in a slightly strange situation, where we were 5 town and 2 mafia. The chance of a mislynch is higher. By the end Shockey is begging everyone to move to Onegu.
I do not think it is realistic that the mafia do not attempt to start a single town wagon all day. I just don't buy it. That means that one of HF and Onegu must be town. However, I don't see that HF and Onegu can possibly be on the same team, since they were both trying so so hard to get each other lynched.
It is possible that there is some sort of weird bus thing going on that is too next level for me too understand. But Occam's razor suggests that the most likely explanation is also the correct one. Here, the most likely explanation is that HF and Shockey are mafia together, with a third (one of Damdred or Ruxx), and that they were desperately trying to get a mislynch onto Onegu to win the game.
That, and HF has been wrong about literally every lynch we have had. He fought for GB's lynch even after there was super strong evidence that Mig was the better lynch. He said that the game was over if we voted for Shockkey.
The reason I think it is Damdred is that Damdred keeps deflecting off HF. He's done it twice now - once on the whole red check thing, and once on the bit where I pointed out that HF was continually wrong about everything.
It's Damdred and HF folks. It's that simple. Keep voting them off after I die.
Thanks.
*drops mic*
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*picks up mic*
Also this can be done by process of elimination:
NHM and LS move onto Shockey, even though I'm desperately trying to lynch HF. No way they're scum.
I'm town :-)
We have the save on Ruxx from the start, plus the fact that WBG was literally the spammiest poster on day 1, which I guess is town indicated. Plus Ruxx has put a lot of work into his reads, particularly early on.
That leaves the scum team as including Onegu, HF and Damdred.
No way that HF and Onegu are on the same team, and HF's close alignment to Shockey makes it seem much more likely to me that they're on the same team. Therefore it's HF and Damdred.
*re-drops mic*
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Edit: we were 5 town and 3 mafia, but the same point stands.
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Also HF, just so you know, I'm sure you have an extremely long and whiny post forming in your head at this point. I just want to say that how you've played this game has been very disappointing if you are town. The reason for that is that you should understand that when you're town, you're constantly sure everyone is lying all the time. Everything that goes into these threads is potentially someone lying. Getting as upset as you have been getting in this thread is just ridiculous. You know I'm town, and you know I'm now trying to win. Your constant accusations that I'm not have been jarring.
If you're mafia, that's acceptable, because ... you know ... you're trying to convince everyone that I'm wrong. If you're town, then it's just sad.
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Here's the thing this game looks extremely different from all my games because of the huge afk period d2-3.
Also I generally hard bus a lot and town side giving up my partners and really don't deflect off them, I'm a credit whore
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That's the thing though fid in a sense you haven't been looking at every option even noe you sre pushing yourself into confirmation biases.
For example a framer flipped and you don't even take a step back really and try to figure out if hf is framed or not, hr could of been.
You use a totally incomplete meta read on me in a game where I am 99% sure never looks like any game I've played before due to tl circumstances however. You can be assured that I would of bussed the fuck out of shockey in that situation or just lynched hf if he was town.
basically if I'm scum I 1) killed off kel and rsoul who both had super strong town reads on me.
2) Totally did horrrrriiibbblleeee kills at points and left masons alive super late in the game for no reason
3) lost all cred potential falling off my partner
I am not scum here and you are biased
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And obviously you aren't going to listen to a word I say.
Wrong=/=scum for future reference.
hf could be scum I think how some of eod went down makes him a bit townier in one regard the possibility is there but there is another scum and you are wrong on me and your evidence/reasoning is bad. If you use meta to try to figure me out at least rely on your partner who has almost as good a read on me as ritoky.
smh
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My read on HF above does not rely in any way upon the red check.
But the fact that you discounted it so quickly is concerning to me. It surely *has* to be considered, otherwise what is the point of even having a cop? Even if you think there are other things that are more important, to just brush it off is pointless.
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There's a difference between not listening and listening but not agreeing.
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On July 01 2015 13:46 Damdred wrote:
Explain why I'm scum specifically
Why damdred is scum in a mig/hf/damdred/shockey world:
Day 1 town read list out of thin air:
+ Show Spoiler +Almost all his reads are based on meta. Seems like an easy way to get cred for townreading town people and putting himself out of harms way. On June 17 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote:
Town:
Ls
Nhm
Rsoul
Damdred
Ritoky
Town leans
Kel
Gb
Breske
This is a good start. Keep it coming boys and girls
On June 17 2015 09:27 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2015 09:24 NydusHerMain wrote:
Damdred have you gave any reasoning for any of your reads yet other than meta? You did a hell of a lot of it last game. Actually meta is a huge part of my game in the early goings as well as tone etc., Rsoultin is because she's my waifu that's acting like a pita. I've answered about ls I believe Kel is his attitude and his wanting to dig into people. Gb because of the wanting to give reads and get people involved. Rit is pure meta and I'd rather never explain You are meta+content at this point compared to last game.
Distancing himself from MiG:
+ Show Spoiler +By doing this early, he's able to get cred for himself later when mig is incriminated. Who would believe that damdred and mig are mafia together when he attacked mig day 1? It's a good mafia play. Mig was no way in danger of getting lynched on day 1 or 2. On June 22 2015 05:40 Damdred wrote:
Mig is mafia and we should lynch Mig On June 22 2015 05:43 Damdred wrote:
This is frustrating all my connections are back working and nobody is here to talk to.
GB is more than likely never scum in this scenario. If he is totally changed his meta and deserves a big pat on the back.
However Mig, asks questions that lead no where. Writes a good bit about certain things but doesn't really go along with it, wastes vote without pushing anything today. Is pretty inactive (pot meet kettle) is totally on the side line not getting involved.
Conclussions are rather lacking and following some of thread sentiment. On June 22 2015 05:45 Damdred wrote:
Yamato is a difficult case, his activity is a bit concerning but some of his posts and reads feel genuine and seem to have a real flow and thought pattern to them.
I wouldn't fight super hard against his lynch, but I think i'd rather a mig lynch. On June 22 2015 05:49 Damdred wrote:
No need to get defensive I said it was uncanny and made me chuckle.
And yes actually your filter is very blendy without really pushing anything, you are in the side lines not really sticking your neck out going against thread sentiment.
Even here when you complain about me being at eod you make it into some form of scathing defense instead of trying to draw some form of conclusion from.
Obviously if I could of been here I would have as its not alignment indicative. Then, after mig CC's(as he was pretty much going to die sooner or later at this point) and GB gets lynched, Damdred is able to cash in on his town cred: On June 25 2015 07:57 Damdred wrote:
That's not the point.
There are a few things to consider, there is 100% information and then there is non perfect information.
You have perfect information on yourself, in the world you want us to believe the one where you are a tracker.
In this world you tracked Vayne to Bugs n1, You don't know what this means. It could mean that Vayne hit Bugs with a kp and bugs was a vet at that point (during d2). But you never really seem to be pressing on vayne at all in your filter to figure out this information.
You do harp on yamato and want to get him lynched.
However when Gb claims if you are actually tracker you KNOW that there probably will not be more than one cop type role in this game or very very seldom will it be that way in a non themed game.
But instead of going OK GUYS WE LYNCH 100% MAFIA IN GB TODAY. You go NO, DONT LYNCH GB LYNCH YAMATO.
You don't act like someone who basically has a CC and act completely differently the next day towards gb than you did around the time of the claim, in fact why did you even track GB? You are sure that hes not the cop, but you claim he didn't move.
He claims he has a red check on HF.
You are full of lies it looks like to me. On June 25 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote:
I will admit however that d1 I didn't really have any scum reads to speak of, my only scum read I spoke of d 1 was fid who I immediately withdrew when rs said he was a mason.
And I did come out with a scum read on mig and pushed him around lynch the next day until the fake green check which totally sucked ass in retrospect -_-.
Overlal I've scuekd i'll admit it but it doesn't make me scum
Deflecting off HF:
+ Show Spoiler +Several times he tries to deflect our push on HF and discrediting the red-check when there's a really low chance that the red-check is false. He seems to be really fond of the idea that HF is either framed or miller: On June 25 2015 09:05 Damdred wrote:Well heres the thing HF, i'm actually debating whether you could of been framed or not like Show nested quote +1) I either flip VT in which case GB MUST be killed. No if's or buts. I very very very much doubt that mafia were like "hey, GB is cop and he's obviously going to check the guy he was fighting with all day let's frame HF" and GB got unlucky. I won't ever buy that situation. We are talking about the mafia team who totally decided not to kill either rsoultin or fid n1 even though they basically hard claimed mason d1. And RS isn't that bad a player, instead they went after bugs (or hes scum) and kel who isn't a bad kill but is a really safe kill. That speaks to me of a not so good scum team personally, or a sub optima not paying attention one who could of really framed you instead of going for someone else. Besides that you could be a miller. And on another point activity for you is not alignment indicative to an extent, for example Christmas carol around your lynch you wer super active and went ball to the wall to try to not get lynched as scum. But once again i'm not sure that you would of chosen the kills like that d1 either. But as of now i'm pretty much thinking you are more of a miller or framed than mafia potentially, as I read the post it read a bit more like town hf than scum at this point. Discrediting the red-check: On June 28 2015 07:58 Damdred wrote:
The correct play is to lynch the scummiest player.
If you lynch hf do it for a real reason not just a red check as in a totally closed setup doesn't mean quite as much.
For example why would scum team totally sacrifice mig for hf there? Idk what the point is except we go gb, mig then hf in that scenario.
It looks much more likely atm that role cop gb drew Out vayne and we have a mislynch in hf incoming. On June 28 2015 08:23 Damdred wrote:
It depends.
For example we really don't know what the scum team has, its possible that they don't have a rb or a godfather etc. Have a framer or we have a Miller.
Sometimes a red check just doesn't mean as much in a closed setup then it does in an open setup. Does that mean hf is lock town? No he is the best scum player on site after all.
Rs and gb are probably unobtrusive fists at me currently but yeah I just want to find the other two scum before we decide on hf
Deflecting: On June 30 2015 07:45 Damdred wrote:
Like if there was one mafia left no frame had flipped and something like God father had already flipped I would say lynch hf with 100% right now. Maybe if godfather had already flipped, but it hasn't we don't know what the scum team is working for.
HOWEVER, we still are working with a three scum team and nobody is even trying to figure out who the other members are, they are trying to convince HF THAT HF IS SCUM!
This is possibly the most counter productive thing that we can do. Or pass off responsibility for a good lynch on confirmed town Fide. On July 01 2015 01:08 Damdred wrote:
This is a really frustrating day, listen guys you are making this day about hf a million percent and forcing him to only defend himself. You aren't making him give reads or try to solve the game.
If he's scum and he gets lynched we have no real new information besides little blurbs so stop just attacking him make him talk about only other people and you do the same.
For example shockey asked me if I felt like oneg had done more, the answer is no I made an arbitrary list of people not doing jack shit inlylo and obviously don't care. They don't care On July 01 2015 07:20 Damdred wrote:
It complicates things a bit... in this many lylo in a row mafia are just as likely to hard bus to get extra cred than to go exclusively for a town.
Also knowing hf, if he were scum I feel like he would,100% want the framer to flip over hard defending him. So he could use that in his defense.
Kinda deep,hf is town here
A strange statement regarding HF:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 28 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure hf will be around until 2 v 1 if we get to that point.
I have to look through hf filter a bit to see if I see anything. But right now time is better spent getting thoughts out or questioning any inconsistencies you find Why does he think this? On June 28 2015 08:24 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2015 08:22 ruXxar wrote:On June 28 2015 08:04 Damdred wrote:
I'm pretty sure hf will be around until 2 v 1 if we get to that point.
I have to look through hf filter a bit to see if I see anything. But right now time is better spent getting thoughts out or questioning any inconsistencies you find What makes you sure HF will be around for so long? Why wouldn't scum,keep a red check around to mislynch one day? I see 2 problems with this: #1) If HF is town, he's very dangerous to keep around. Even with a redcheck he's not getting lynched time and time again, also he has an uncanny ability to push through lynches on people. I would be very scared as mafia to keep a town HF around, even WITH a red-check. #2) You're indirectly saying that people wanting to keep HF around are actually scum. Well, that's a nice way to call yourself scum.
Seems incredibly confident in his reads day one without backing them up with substance.
Has a premeditated plan on how he's going to play, distancing himself from mig day 1.
Wants to keep HF alive saying we gain "no info" when HF has been the most active and would be giving out the MOST info of anyone if he flipped and discrediting the red-check several times.
Seems certain that scum wants to keep town HF alive when I think that is a very dangerous proposition, especially with HF's reputation of winning a triple LYLO.
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I'm going out for a while.
I'd love to see some feedback on my post.
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If you're scum, I respect the way you're going about it much more than I respect Damdred's way 
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You guys are fucking morons if you think this piece of shit game play by me is my scum game.
You want to know why I discount so much of the red check? Because a freaking framer could of been in the game which just flipped hf and GB were fighting the check was pretty telegraphed.
secondly even if he isn't framed there are millers.
You put way to much weight on people being wrong.
I hunt from town all the time its just how I play I think the case on me is really crappy as the only reason I didn't push mig d2 was the fake green check. And me pushing off hf if he's scum is actually town trait meh.
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Damdred - insulting us based upon your supposed town v mafia meta isn't helping. I haven't played a game with you while you're scum, so I'm not able to give you a meta scum read. All I can say is that you've played very differently to the last game, where you were town.
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Oh my god, when you are using past games to try to justify a scum read it is a meta read.
Uve been afk that's why I am so different, but you don't even bother to go look at my past scum games I have like 12 I think or something.
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I do have a 'meta' read on you, but that's not the main reason I'm pushing you. I'm pushing you because you keep deflecting off HF, who is my number 1 scum read. And also for the reasons ruxx just gave, which look pretty solid to me.
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