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On June 08 2015 13:59 Kickstart wrote: You gonna be here to confirm into this game oats??? <3 hey host error man. | ||
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On June 12 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: Hi friends. A friendly PSA: I don't like lurkers or liers or people who answer questions directed at other people. aaaaaaaaaaaaand I don't like Oats for now! (kidding, mostly) ##Vote: Oatsmaster why would you do this. On June 12 2015 08:42 batsnacks wrote: I'm going to make a quick and easy how to play town guide:
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On June 12 2015 10:12 Sulfurus wrote: I'm starting to really like the case on Kickstarter; he has made a lot of posts that give the illusion of being a helpful towny with his PSA and rule clarifications but they are really just filler and something that the mods already have covered. On top of that I think n00bKing's defense of ruXx is spot on which gives even more validity to the Kickstarter push. ##Vote: Kickstarter (I admit that in a vacuum I would probably scum read Bats more but I've learned my lesson from last game) Are noobking and ruxx town then? | ||
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Its super obvious, he voted someone that claimed VT. meh geript, he seems interested and it really feels more like lynchbait than mafia. | ||
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On June 12 2015 10:31 Trfel wrote: Oatsmaster, how does the Chezinu rule suggest that batsnacks is mafia? Based on my understanding of this rule, batsnacks isn't scum. I have gotten the opposite impression from his posts. Can we wait until I get an answer to my question? the rule is that whoever votes for the person who claims vt is mafia. And Bats did exactly that. He hasnt been doing anything else but advising people. Also a scumtell. | ||
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On June 12 2015 10:37 Kickstart wrote: Oats already making up stuff and casting votes based on the stuff he made up. You supposed to be one of the experienced player mang what is you doing. ?????????? ITS A THING DUDE. COME ON. | ||
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Its someone elses rule Whatever. Its totally a thing | ||
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I kinda like ruxxar. It was really funny that he answered a question not directed at him asking why people shouldnt answer questions not directed at them. He doesnt do it intentionally to just create content IMO. | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: Yo, also keep in mind a newbie might be Mafia which is why he's not jumping on my post. Seems like something Mafia should do from reading the guide. Did you post that post intentionally so mafia would jump on it? You do realise that there are 3 mafia. | ||
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That case is forcing a read hard. | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:26 Kickstart wrote: @moosy no I was not baiting. I mean that he entirely missed the problem with him answering that when it wasn't directed at him. @Oats So I make a read and ask for opinions on it and you scum read me for tryharding? Amusing coming from a guy who makes up a rule and then pushes a nonsense read on bats based on said rule that he just made up. Really don't know what it is with you but you just perpetually tunnel me and annoy me in every game. yeah I really am scumreading you for tryharding. Dont take this the wrong way, but I cannot remember what happened in games that happened more than a month ago. ITS NOT A MADE UP RULE. Kurumi? yeah kurumi did it. Bats is scummy man. Why do you think Bats is town? | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:35 Kickstart wrote: I never said I thought he was town. I said I didn't read his posts either way. And you scumreading me for tryharding makes less sense then your bats push to me. Also I referenced the wrong game but it doesn't matter. Go look at my previous games if you are "concerned" with my "tryhard" posting style (just rofl at how bullshit this is), you will find that this is normal for me and that when I have been lynched for my posting it has been a mislynch. So if you dont read bats as town, then what is your problem with my read on bats??? Ok Im not exactly reading you just for "tryharding". I just think that ruxx isnt mafia and you are trying too hard to make up a case on him. Dont get mad when people scumread you for legitimate reasons. | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:44 Kickstart wrote: I always get defensive when people scum read me. Because they always do it based on nothing or bullshit reasons. Again I will refer you to my previous games, which I have already asked people to do if they have concerns about my style. Yeah dont do this. Stop asking people to do your work for you. If you really think that your previous town and scumgames have a huge difference in the way you post, then show some examples if you want to use that as a reason for people to townread you. | ||
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On June 12 2015 11:57 Kickstart wrote: Like everything you say is just nonsense and it irks me so fucking much. I can't help but just argue with you the entirety of every game I'm in with you because you literally make no fucking sense. You make up some bullshit about people voting someone who claims VT being scummy. Nonsense. You also appeal to the thread twice so far with "Can we just kill XXXXX". Why are you so keen on having everyone just vote on somebody. Scum are the ones who don't care who gets lynched, town shouldn't and doesn't think this way. You then get in your head that I have a town read on someone just because I don't agree with your nonsense scumread on them. And your most recent posts are just lecturing me. Just go away already. am I mafia? I think that you really care about my read on Bats, and you call it nonsensical, but you dont think hes town. Theres a disassociation here. Why do you care that I want to lynch your nullread? | ||
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Its only like 8 hours into the game | ||
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ARGH. Like it doesnt scumhunt at all. Its just advice. | ||
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is this really your first game? | ||
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On June 12 2015 16:24 n00bKing wrote: I've played Mafia before. I've never played Mafia on these forums before. And there's some of the Mafia-by-forum terminology that I don't really know yet, so I might ask what some abbreviations stand for and stuff like that (kinda like how I asked pre-game about what it means to shadow someone, and what a hydra is, and what a mad hatter is, etc) well you are telling everyone how to do shit so you mustve had some experience. On a scale of 1-10, how experienced are you. | ||
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And it makes no sense to lie about your real life actions. I think the apology for not showing up is scummy though and that he didnt even do shit after that post is really bad. | ||
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On June 13 2015 00:49 batsnacks wrote: I thought what he said was pretty reasonable. If I were mafia I would have gone after moose's post. So now we base reads on what mafia was supposed to do and didnt? Dont like that at all. Dont like that you peaced out and dont care about the game either. You came back here and did nothing but defend yourself. You didnt scumhunt, you didnt advance the thread. Geript too btw. I kinda think noob is town because he just keeps on giving advice even after people tell him to stop. | ||
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On June 12 2015 22:23 batsnacks wrote: The guide was meant for people who are so inexperienced they haven't figured out that power roles claiming early in the game is not good. Seriously though it's all good advice. Find 1 person you think is scum, say why, go through motions, re-evaluate based on responses, repeat if necessary. On June 12 2015 21:25 batsnacks wrote: I'm bored 1) if you understand why I'm upset about rux's claim then you don't have a problem with me voting him. I'm not sure why you said you do have a problem with me voting rux if you understand that the claim hurts town and that hurting town makes me upset. 2) it isn't my job to defend other players, especially <6 hours into the game, it is their job to defend themselves. 3) my town guide is solid. Everyone should follow it. 4) all the stuff you have issues with and all of these responses I would say as either alignment. You can't scum read me for any of it. On June 12 2015 21:16 batsnacks wrote: This isn't a very good case. Do I have to respond to this or will you forget about me eventually? Lol These are all posts which are defending yourself. What are you talking about. What I meant was that you dont find Moosegoose's post inherently scummy, you only find it scummy through other players actions or inaction. Thats a shitty way of reading people. Has that ever worked for you? | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Stop it Oats. Stop actually being clear in your motivations and playing the game well for once it's fucking with my head And yes for the record noob has been upgraded from scum tier to 'meh' tier because I'm not sure I believe he as scum would be so ballsy to continue posting the way he has, though my fear of being wrong on newbies prevents me from bringing him higher just yet. heh. Dont be mad because im like literally inside your head right now. | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:08 batsnacks wrote: I said I was bored. That's where those posts came from, not from a perceived need to defend myself. I dont care what you think when you post these posts. The fact is, they are all defending your posts and your actions. Which is bad because none of that helps us find mafia. Also, its not like you were under any pressure at all till like 10 minutes ago, with only 1 real vote on you. You are spending your time badly and wrongly, therefore you are mafia. Your only scumread comes from, 1. sheeping another player 2. dreadful reasoning. So yeah, I have no idea how you are trying to win the game because it sure doesnt look that way. | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: Dude, wtf would the Mafias do that for. Shouldn't they try and help each other? LOL this post. Oh man. I would feel so silly if moose is mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2015 01:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I don't think that's a scumtell personally. Oats I'm not a fan of your theory a) because you might be right and I hate that shit (not that you're right but the 'content creation' bullshit) and b) because it basically gives him an out to playing shitty early on Meh, its not alignment indicative anyway, I could see geript doing it as town or mafia. Like maybe he was waiting for someone to jump on it then he could say "Oh dude moose is totally lynchbait, you mafia". Easy read. but no one did so he ended up doing that. What I really dont like about the read is that geript's initial read was that moose is lynchbait. Why did that read change just because lynchbait didnt get attacked? Maybe mafia sees that moose is too obvious. There are plenty of reasons that dont mean moose is mafia but he defaults straight to that. IT FEELS WRONG. SO WRONG. | ||
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if bats flips town, ill be going after sulfurus. | ||
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Bats isn't gonna shit up the thread lol, that's an empty threat. I was totally right about geript switching off moose btw. I think geript is easily mafia. | ||
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On June 13 2015 12:17 Sulfurus wrote: If you don't think I scumread Bats I really do I was just hesitant before because I misread him last game but now I'm sure. Also now that your back what do you think of n00bs? I know that your were angry at him because he kept giving advice even though he is new but I think he has said a lot of good stuff since then. I think hes town, is that not clear lol. If you scumread bats, then why did you mention all the people who were scumreading bats in your vote post? Shouldnt your own reasoning be sufficient to vote for him even if no one else is? | ||
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Hey rels, what made you look through bats last few games? Also, who do you want to lynch now? | ||
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So spend your time finding mafia, not town pr. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:35 batsnacks wrote: Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn. I don't see myself unvoting sulfurus he has gone on to misrepresent my play last game 3 times now and is using his misrepresentations of my play as an excuse to vote me. If Damdred, geript and wave could start posting immediately that would be nice too. Especially damdred. so what rels said when he unvoted is accurate? I havent re-evaluated my read on you either bats. I really dont like your opening and its really convincing to me at least that you are mafia, no matter that you have spammed the thread with nothing of use. | ||
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Where is ruxxar? I'm about to hurt some feelings. Dude hasn't re-evaluated his read on me since the beginning of the day. Same with n00b. If either of you are town you are hurting your chances of winning by being so stubborn. | ||
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sulfurus says you are playing differently to last game and I agree. On June 13 2015 08:24 Sulfurus wrote: So they may not be the strongest town reads on those I called town but I think you guys are right and bats really is playing differently this game. ##Vote: Batsnacks | ||
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Ok bats, quote 5 posts you think will help town lynch mafia. So that does not include fluff and defensive posts. | ||
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certainly more than you since your biggest contribution is tunneling a town for 70%ish percent of the day all because you didn't like my opening. If bats was town, he would say "tunneling me for 70% of the day", not "a town for 70%". | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:54 batsnacks wrote: Someone's confusing something that's for sure: The quote I posted is later than this quote and he clearly says that he thinks you are playing differently now. I really dont know what you think you are trying to do. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote: I'm not quoting my filter for you. I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Lol you mean you cant find 5 posts. Ok bats. Ok. | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:55 batsnacks wrote: I am actively trying to convince you and would be delighted if Trfel joined in. Trfel at the very least is scuming me for recent things. You, noob, and rux just didn't like my opening. Im sure you read the most recent Ver game where he caught at least one mafia because of a bad opening post. Tell me, why did you vote for the vt claim? You think that mafia somehow claims vt in one of the first few posts? Have you see that happen before? | ||
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On June 13 2015 21:59 batsnacks wrote: Sulfurus hasn't said specifically what was similar to last game or what wasn't similar to last game. Nothing changed except the opportunity to vote me, which he took. So he isnt lying, hes just incompetent. In his explanation, he says that he was convinced because of his townreads scumreading you. And hes the top scumread, you hardly need to push him more. Who else is mafia? | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:00 batsnacks wrote: I voted the vt claim because I didn't like it. I had no intention of keeping my vote there for that reason alone for any extended period of time. Also I never actually voted him. I was expressing distaste in the claim. So is the claim scummy or not? | ||
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When you vote people, you dont always think they are mafia? Is that correct bats? dammit bats I want to lynch mafia today but you are the scummiest. | ||
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Ok Ok fine. | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:17 batsnacks wrote: I never voted him! And I did explain that no one should claim! And I am NOT the scummiest you are just caught in a logical fallacy that I WILL get you out of. You did. voting thread doesnt count. If we didnt have a voting thead, you wouldve voted. Answer the question. Also, what logical fallacy? That you are useless and are not helping town at all, that you constantly complain about getting scumread and you do nothing but scumread the person everyone else thinks is mafia? Sure, logical fallacy. You would lynch geript? | ||
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geript is mafia because he jumped on moose as a placeholder vote and then came back and changed to someone else without seriously addressing his previous points on moose and why they are now invalid, and the connections because that was a weird sort of associative lynch. And hes been not posting a lot. Oh man you just said I did well scumreading you. I hate people who say that. The bolded is just my opinion man. But the important question here is if someone gets lynched today, are you the driving or even secondary influence for that lynch? Because if not, then you are useless and not helping town with a shit ton of posts. | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote: Yeah bats is a completely stupid lynch, here. (Never use this again bats is to smart a player) If you look at bats last scum/town games you see a few things crop up. 1) as scum once it's clear that he is going to,be one of,l the leading wagons his care factor diminishes to a few posts randomly complaining without doing anything about it or pushing his own thoughts. In comparison here he is pushing what he thinks explaining why he's town,and,not giving,up. I liked bats when I first read his filter. He keeps pushing the thread. 2) as scum, he has developed an ability to have weak scum reads to a point. Here he has well reasoned or seemingly well reasoned reasons for calling people out. 3) resorts to trolling as scum when he's caught. He's not doing this here. Bats is town, besides meta. Biggest filter, most controversial figure d1. Okish reads. Leave the bats alone lynch you instead? sounds good to me. | ||
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On June 13 2015 22:46 batsnacks wrote: I don't know if geript is a better lynch than sulfurus, Rels, or Damdred. I will read geript's filter and let you know what I think. I have owned up to my scummy opening like 10 times. I am completely self aware as to how scummy I was being. The operative word being "was" as in I was being scummy in the past and not now. Your opinion is wrong. I started the wagon: Thank you for bringing that up. Lol that doesnt count please. Can you expand on Rels mafia? Cause while his posts are not great, they seem well intentioned enough. | ||
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well intentioned means that it feels like Rels is trying to find mafia. Not very well but still. Every other post of yours is bad bats. ... | ||
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On June 13 2015 23:10 batsnacks wrote: No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while. i mean, it probably means you arent mafia because mafia know that activity isnt a good argument. So you got that going for you | ||
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On June 13 2015 23:42 batsnacks wrote: Activity is a very strong argument for d1 especially for me. I would say that you should know this, but I expect less from you and will have to adjust my meta of you to expect even less after this game. Ok? You think I care. Its funny. | ||
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On June 13 2015 23:47 batsnacks wrote: No I know you don't care, which is part why the adjustment is necessary. This is your new meta: Oats pushes the first thing he sees and doesn't stop until not doing so would endanger his chances of survival. Oats is not logical and does not re-evaluate his reads. Yes very good, thats my meta. | ||
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Lynch geript. | ||
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On June 14 2015 09:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Thoughts on the flip Oats? You swapped pretty handily onto geript without any exposition whatsoever after going ham on batsnacks forever. I thought bats looked town. | ||
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Trfels post sounds super scummy, we have only one flip so far but he says he thought we were llooking good with nobody flipped. | ||
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Geript flipped town. Sucks. Move on. If you are asking why Geript as opposed to other people, basically what I explained earlier. He didn't post before I slept so yeah, that's where my read was. | ||
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Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads. Sulph / damdred mafia. Scott also maybe. | ||
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On June 14 2015 22:00 Damdred wrote: its amazingly accurate that their are more scum than town in this game. But talking about townreads is something mafia does because they cant make up a scumread but townreads are ez. | ||
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On June 15 2015 00:17 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm not sure what to make of ruxxar targeting moosy btw. The effort put in is decent enough but it's moosy and he's extremely obvtown by this point really? yeah ok, really. Who do you think dies tonight? | ||
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PLEASE. | ||
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Why exactly is everyone voting for rels and not sulph? | ||
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But why are you telling us to do things rather than doing things. There is no way in hell that there are no scum on that 8-person wagon (obviously so) so it's important to look at the order in which they voted, when, and why Why arent you doing this? Wave last maf.. | ||
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So meh, not a point | ||
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its just that its better to kill off people that can win the game rather than townreads. i dunno man, whatever. | ||
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On June 15 2015 11:21 Kickstart wrote: Also Oats trying to make an association between me and sulf makes no sense. are you even reading???!?/ I was saying that for no mafia to be on geript, the scumteam is sulph/you/wave..... .... .... | ||
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On June 15 2015 12:03 scott31337 wrote: I'm kind of glad I did, when I came back to the thread the flip was already there. I could've got modkilled for failure to vote with the hour earlier confusion. Batsnacks case made sense at the time and I sheeped it. was there any reason you didnt feel a need to post in the thread around that time? Who are your scumreads now? | ||
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On June 15 2015 12:55 Sulfurus wrote: Thank you for the answer but I don't think you understand why I made that post. First off there's no point in me defending myself since I am not at risk to be lynched and Second I'm actually trying to reevaluate on trfel by understanding why others are townreading him instead of being one of those people who just mindlessly tunnel on one person. Anyway your logic is actually really good if Rels is mafia but what if rels is town? Is everything we have on trfel just wrong or is he still town? why is trfel mafia? | ||
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And in the end, I have no idea who he thinks is scum, only numerous townreads. | ||
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What happened to lynching ruxxar? I thought that was pretty good. or damdred. | ||
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Let's lynch ruxxar instead. | ||
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Can someone like trfel give me one reason that doesn't include the words activity and promises. | ||
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It's weird that sulph wants to lynch me rather than kickstart though. | ||
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Sulph looked really bad the whole game, it might just have been a bus. Also, both sulph and kickstart expressed an interest in lynching me. Which is really weird. Scott switched really late, like 10 minutes before the deadline and you guys are calling him town?!?? | ||
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On June 17 2015 08:29 scott31337 wrote: I'm going to re-read some more filters but did some filter find scans of each interaction and I'm thinking Sulfurus/Ruxxar/Oats at the moment. really, why am I on a team with sulf? Come on, make up something. | ||
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Here comes oats to do nothing but create chaos. Why don't you do something towny and hunt scum? Or will you not because you are scum and just took a huge blow in losing sulf? Like why would you come in after this really good lynch for town and first thing you say is "I dont think we should town read anyone based on this lynch", like LOL are you even serious. Now you look to be trying to create some world where I and sulfurus were scum buddies which is just too ridiculous to warrant me arguing against. Oats like nothing you have done seems to be from a town point of view and then you come in with this bullshit after a good lynch for us. Like you are the only person in the world who would argue that no one looks townie from that flip. Oats is such scum here. But also, its night phase you don't vote yet you nerds.[/QUOTE] Guess you have never heard of bussing then. Kickstart, if you are mafia, does it change all these town reads people are giving out? Hypothetically. | ||
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You barely mention sulph at all day 1, you mention him like twice even though he's your supposed top scum read. And you weren't too bothered when we didn't want to lynch him. Today, you just posted your opening vote post and then again, not mention him for almost the whole day. In fact, when you get attacked, you are focusing more on defending yourself and saying town will lose in as many was as possible than actually telling people to vote for a better lynch. The next time you mention sulph is in your big list post, Nd for being your top scum read, you weirdly put him second in the list and put me first. At tthat point, it's either sulph or you so you don't have a choice. In essence you are making your scum read on sulph seem a lot more involved than it really is. And sulph was scummy as shit day 1 so it's not in mafia's best interest to defend him. You get no cred from your sulph push. | ||
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Hey Scott, why aren't you waiting for rel to flip before making a shitty association case? Scum is in scott / kickstart / rux maybe, I remember something made him scummy, gotta check. | ||
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I ddidn't explain my scum reads cause I didn't think it was all that important. Also I totally forgot about Damdred lol. Damdred mafia. Also, I never explained a reason for you to be mafia, so it can't be shit. Damdred should just know better than to townhunt rather than scumhunt | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:35 Kickstart wrote: Also if you look at the votes, not counting wave who actually took his vote off of sulfurus and onto me for a short time, I am the first vote onto sulfurus. So the idea that I bussed him for cred makes even less sense because I was the first one on him this day cycle and indeed the first one to say I was suspicious of him at the start of the game. Yeah you don't know the concept of bussing. | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:42 Kickstart wrote: The fact that you are still so ride or die scum reading me is hilarious. But I'm done discussing this with you. Again you just lie about me or fail to understand the actual events of the game and me flaming you like I want to do isn't going to change that. I look town after this lynch, get over it. You look even more scum to me after this lynch, get over it. What have I said that is a lie? This is super important. Answer please. Politely if possible. | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:48 Kickstart wrote: Your lie is that I barely mention sulf. I mean from a perspective of me being afk and then having to defend myself forever sure. But from day 1 any time I mention my scum reads sulf was always mentioned by me. You saying I didn't push sulf as scummy is just a lie. Go on, quote every post in which you mention sulf. It's less than 10. That's pretty much barely. I don't know why you are so angry that I'm 'misreading' you. That's life. Damdred, so who is poe mafia and why didn't you play at all yesterday? | ||
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On June 17 2015 11:42 Kickstart wrote: Less then 10 when at that point I had like what 25 posts? Your point is still nonsense. Misreading someone is normal, misrepresenting everything they do is different, and you misrepresent. Like I said the only consolation I have is that last time you did this to me you were scum and I think you are scum again, if you are town I don't know what to say aside from you are just way off base and wrong. How am I misrepresenting when you cant even quote proof that I am talking shit? | ||
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On June 17 2015 12:37 Damdred wrote: If you would of read I did a little bit last night and leading up to the lynch like pushing against the Ks lynch and onto the godfather. ty for not reading On June 17 2015 04:16 Damdred wrote: Ok so id lynch Sul instead that was a super mafia type post On June 17 2015 04:17 Damdred wrote: Look at what Sul said that town is super tunneled oj Ks. That implies that Ks is town. But then says I'll just vote Ks cause he's mafia. the two sentiments don't make sense. ok, you arent wrong, this is a little bit. You barely mention sulf except every time you give a list of scummies. It really feels like you are trying not to kill sulph but it ended up being that way so you just voted. Your whole day 2 is uncommital and waffley. | ||
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On June 17 2015 13:21 Damdred wrote: I don't get how its uncommited or waffly I gave a list I wanted to lynch from. I voted rox, saw sulf horrible post I called him on. Pushed against Ks lynch most of the day, was se one person to vote sulf when I could of pushed Ks over the edge. so no you are wrong and misrepresenting On June 16 2015 14:49 Damdred wrote: I think the four id be most ok to hang today, would be oats rox sulf scott that's in no particular order and its basically the same lynch as yours. However I'd probably lynch rox, then decide between Scott and Sul another day however Scott feels vastly different than other games. He's really lurky and feels less inclined to give the same level of thoughts in used to and not interjecting himself. your observation on oats is good. kinda weird but that's where I'm at. On June 17 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote: Yeah id be more up for a rox lynch here On June 17 2015 03:04 Damdred wrote: So here's the deal, I don't think Ks is going to flip scum. Its mostly a gut feeling and how dickish/non surviving he's playing atm. I expect more but yeah think he will flip town On June 17 2015 04:26 Damdred wrote: Rhhh maybe your right and I just am misunderstanding what he's meaning. anyway I dislike the post and it feels kinda weird him hopping on the wagon like this On June 17 2015 04:39 Damdred wrote: I'll consolidate on rux or Sul. I'd rather not lynch Ks today On June 17 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote: I thought rels was town though. But that post just is weird to me anytime someone calls someone an easy mislynch or town for no reason bothers mr pretty damn waffley. On June 16 2015 09:08 Damdred wrote: Ks keeps promising activity only,comes back with,I'm town. It looks bad and is bad On June 16 2015 08:51 Damdred wrote: Oats is just normally useless. Anyway I'd be ok with lynching ks what made you change your mind? the next post is here On June 17 2015 03:04 Damdred wrote: So here's the deal, I don't think Ks is going to flip scum. Its mostly a gut feeling and how dickish/non surviving he's playing atm. I expect more but yeah think he will flip town So whats up man? | ||
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was se one person to vote sulf when I could of pushed Ks over the edge. Your vote made it 3/4 rather than 2/5, like 3 hours before the lynch. Thats hardly "pushing" over the edge. In fact, mafia does this all the time. They bus so they get cred and can say shit like what exactly you said . The vote is not a reason to call you town, why do you think it is? | ||
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On June 17 2015 09:30 ruXxar wrote: Here's my thoughts. People were voting on sulf day one. Trfel makes a case on rel. Sulf calls rels his best town read and sticks too it all game. End of story. I used to believe in the too obvious too be scum theory. I don't anymore. | ||
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On June 17 2015 15:01 Damdred wrote: Let me tell you. The #1 goal for me is to kill the godfather instead of town Ks. Like your trying to scum read me and show I'm bussing when you are just going ham every so often and doing jack shit besides that. Oh well What are you talking about? Maybe you didnt think the ks push was very strong, maybe you thought it would suspicous to continue pushing into his obvious townieness. I dont know. The point is, you didnt really push sulph, you were waffely the whole day regarding rels and sulph and your vote wasnt very pivotal. | ||
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Sulph was in that spot totally for the scumteam. | ||
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On June 17 2015 15:10 Damdred wrote: How was it rels or sulph when I only said rux or sulph most of the day? I only voted those two I believe. I fought decently against a Ks wagon once I thought he was town. ruls/rex same thing. Yeah you did. Are you saying you are town because you are correct or what? | ||
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On June 17 2015 15:13 Damdred wrote: Ehhh we can argue philosophy all you want, but with a town wagon up I think id rather want that one dead as acum My point is basically you think that it would be too suspicious to push kickstart at that point of time. | ||
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On June 17 2015 15:14 Damdred wrote: Nope I've been wrong a good bit this game. damn it, you didnt get caught by my trap. Hey kickstart, if damdred is mafia, you arent. Can you explain the smartest possible reads possible assuming Im town kickstart? | ||
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On June 17 2015 15:48 Kickstart wrote: You being town is a big if. I would probably think ruxxar still and rels are who I would look at most closely after you. How did sulph flipping mafia make them mafia? | ||
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On June 17 2015 18:30 Rels wrote: It can be summarized in three points I think (scott correct me if I'm wrong): The first two points are definitely true and describes you as someone active but not useful. I'm not sure the third point is that true. I think it's just the consequence of you not describing your thought process at all time. Anyway, I don't think scott's case makes you 100% mafia, but it brings good points. What exactly is "not committing to reads or pushes? Also, i have analysed a decent amount, but regardless, why is not analysing scummy? Why is switching a lot scummy? Anyone can answer these questions btw. | ||
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On June 17 2015 20:38 Rels wrote: Hey I'll let him defend his case himself. "Not committing" and "switching a lot" can be scum indicators. I don't want nor have the time to analyse cases or people now. The main things I want to do is look through Sulfu's filters and through the votes. So I'll stop arguing about cases and people behaviour until day 3. Why are those scum indicators?? Also what in the world do you mean by committing?? | ||
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On June 17 2015 21:03 Rels wrote: They're not 100% scum indicators. They can be scum indicators. A mafia often tries to be active without contributing. So if someone is active and is not contributive, there is a chance he's mafia. Not committing means being active but not doing cases or explaining their opinions. Now Oats, I don't want to spend more time doing this. So if you want to ask a question like "why not doing cases is scummy", please don't. Actually I have a question. Do you find scott's case on you bad ? Or just wrong ? If bad, can you explain why. I already explained why its bad when he asked me. But basically its a bunch of observations. None of it is actually saying why im mafia because of the things ive done, just the things ive done. And its a very generic basic list of "bad" things that people do. Actually, both town and scum do those things. Scott never explained why me doing it is scummy. So scotts case is bad. And hes mafia. | ||
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Somehow the bussed dude survived like 2 lynches. It was hilarious. anyway I dont think rels is mafia, hes posting decent stuff. if anyone, its ruxxar for saying that his argument is good when its wrong LoL. | ||
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Hey damdred at the start of the game you looked through your replace person. Why did you do that? | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:27 WaveofShadow wrote: K reading through Trfel's scott post in greater detail---I agree with the fact that the amount of time left in the day means the Sulfurus vote doesn't mean a lot on the surface, but you have to consider the mafia mindset. What scummer is going to actively place a teammate in the running when he would previously have been under no threat? Why risk it at that point ESPECIALLY when it's so early? For potential towncred in a situation when we discuss it exactly like this? I would argue the potential towncred gained is no even remotely worth the risk, especially to a typical scummer, not to mention considering he barely discusses sulfurus at all he doesn't deserve a great deal of towncred for that swap to begin with. The D2 voting analysis is sorta meh, I admit it doesn't make him look amazing but I think D1 trumps this a little. It's not for town cred. It's for not looking like mafia when sulph eventually flips. Which clearly worked to you anyway. Sulph was just so obvious man. If you ignore voting analysis, what else makes him town? | ||
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On June 18 2015 09:48 WaveofShadow wrote: So you're saying before the scum team realized he'd barely be playing/playing terribly they decided to bus him? And why should I be ignoring vote analysis? Lol his first like 5 posts were really really bad. And if its between bats/sulph, they may have thought its too suspicious. Whatever, its all speculation. its just that I have gotten burned way too many times by assuming someone is town JUST because they lynched mafia. | ||
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IMO voting analysis is only useful when people vote to save a mafia. Not to kill mafia or save town. Or both. | ||
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2-6 2-5 2-4 2-3 wow we have 2 more mislynches. | ||
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On June 18 2015 17:56 Rels wrote: Another person is weird. It's Oatsmaster. He did the same thing for his two votes. He jumped on a new train, so he was second vote each time; and each time, his reasons were ... not. Yeah no reasons actually. It's almost as he wanted to be the second in the group, no matter who was the lynch, so he could say after "hey, I was at the beginning of the train, didn't hop in opportuniscally". I'll see if his day 2 votes are the same. Later. This shit takes too long to do. more like im lazy and dont vote lol. | ||
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On June 18 2015 18:55 ruXxar wrote: Shit, sorry for edit. modkill his ass. Ive never actually seen anyone get modkilled for editing lol. | ||
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As I said before, I dont think any of the votes have been alignment indicative so far this game. Because none of them were to save a mafia. | ||
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On June 19 2015 01:48 Rels wrote: I find Scott s vote both day could be in this category yeah no, day 1 his vote was on you then on geript. last vote on geript. And geript got lynched by a landslide. 2nd day, he was actually on kickstart right before the end of the day where he switched to sulph. and it was like 6-3 sulph at the point he changed. So no, scott's votes do not fit into that catagory. Unless you slipped and you know who is mafia. | ||
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On June 19 2015 02:22 ruXxar wrote: So I wanted to start a process of elimination. Right now my most solid town reads are: Wave: For his reaction to my call out of blue hunting. For his "I want this dead" comment on sulfur. Batsnacks: For the way sulf desperately cried out that bats was scum when people swapped votes from sulf to rels. Kickstart: For ... Reasons. hey dude if you are calling bats town because sulph scumread him, why arent you calling me town? sulph scumread me too. | ||
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And cause everyone wants to lynch scott, which I am completely ok with. Kickstart is just scumreading me to be a dick right now lol. | ||
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Also, you didnt bus this game. | ||
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On June 19 2015 13:30 scott31337 wrote: What do you think about Damdred? hes mafia. | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: So let me get this straight. You think Damdred is mafia. And you think Scott is mafia. And Scott is voting for Damdred, but he's not bussing this game. I mean...stop me if I'm not making sense here but SOMETHING isn't quite right, you know? Neither of them have flipped. Also, I would hardly call what scott is doing as "bussing" even if they are both mafia. Do you have a point? | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:57 WaveofShadow wrote: LOL Oats. The definition of 'bussing' is to throw your mafia teammate 'under the bus' by getting them lynched. If they are both scum, and Scott is voting for Damdred, by the very definition bussing is EXACTLY what he is doing. Oats why is Damdred scum? Thats not the accepted definition of bus. He just feels like mafia man. Dude you cant just flip your reads every time you feel like tourtering me. | ||
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On June 19 2015 15:23 scott31337 wrote: Wave do you really think Bats is town? Him pushing me for very little reasons has me worried. so bats rather than practically anyone else in the game? Why bats specifically? I havent said a lot. | ||
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On June 19 2015 16:08 scott31337 wrote: Every newbie game I had a coach I was mafia I need to play a game with a coach as town - I did okay by myself in Guardians but I still lost the game. scumslip. | ||
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On June 19 2015 16:09 Trfel wrote: Not sure. I'm also suspecting Oatsmaster, looking through his filter at the moment. And I still need to take a closer look at ruXxar. There are a lot of people who seem to be suspicious of Damdred, and I'm waiting for them to really explain why. I don't see many real reasons to suspect Damdred at this point. why is damdred town? | ||
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On June 19 2015 16:29 Trfel wrote: I analyzed Damdred's voting in this post. While the formatting isn't ideal (the formatting emphasized the less important parts), I just don't feel like Damdred's interactions with Sulfurus are sensible for mafia. how should damdred interaction with sulf if hes mafia? Also, why dont you agree that the voting analysis is pretty damn useless. How is the voting analysis useful? | ||
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What is the relevance of the second point? Damdred pushed town then switched when it was obvious sulf was going to get lynched lol. Can you summerize your stuff on me into a few points? the most obvious one I saw was that I switched off bats for no reason. Except if bats and geript are both town, then it doesnt matter. The other one was that I didnt really interact with sulf. I dont see how that makes me scum. Another one was that I keep calling damdred scum but not doing anything about it. Correct, but damdred hasnt flipped yet so again, no conclusions can be made unless you think that a player calling another player scum but not doing anything about it is inherently scummy. | ||
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What falsely explained vote switch? Do I have to post then I change my mind? I didnt need to convince people that bats was town. I dont like voting threads. Btw, the first point was Can we agree that Damdred and ruXxar are probably NOT scum together? Reason being that on Day 2, Damdred was pretty clear about lynching between ruXxar and Sulfurus, and I can't see Damdred making his decision between his scum buddies Nope. Lol it was totally obvious that sulph was gonna get lynched. Damdred barely dfended sulf unless calling sulf null rather than scum is defending. | ||
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On June 20 2015 00:32 WaveofShadow wrote: He's doing his best Oats impression I think. Damdred is looking better and better to me. There are definitely people avoiding talking about him in any real respect. so by better you mean worse. Ok. Seems legit. This also smells a whole lot like you trying to save your scumbuddy. How did he not scumslip earlier wave? | ||
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On June 20 2015 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Oats wtf is THE FACT THAT I AM VOTING FOR DAMDRED AND YOU SAID I CALLED HIM TOWN. I know how you are with this game, so the fact that you are not being careful whatsoever with anything you post and it makes no goddamn sense half the time is absolutely not a towntell for you. You come in here, throw random shit jabs at people, have no semblance of who you want to lynch straight and why, and you're somehow getting away with it. You started to play well in the beginning of the game but now that people are putting pressure on you you've completely lost that and have fallen apart. Guys get off scott. It HAS to be one of Oats/Damdred, and this point I don't really care which one you vote for. Prove the bolded statement. Also, quote the posts in which I make no goddamn sense. Why are you trying to get people off this totally good lynch??!?? | ||
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Guys, dont let wave derail this lynch just because he had a bad day at work. Stay the course. | ||
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It's hard for me to remember a specific post but the general feel I get is that he isnt trying to figure out who is mafia, just responding to people and going on his merry little way. Also, he wanted cred for the sulph lynch which is totes scummy. | ||
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Also If damdred can post, he can catch up. | ||
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Let's discuss trfel being mafia. | ||
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To make this argument is the wrong answer btw. Also I changed my Mind about Kickstart as you can see later. | ||
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On June 21 2015 07:09 Kickstart wrote: Lol at bats failuire :D. Means he took out Damdred with him correct? -_______- Well that puts the damdred lynch nonsense to rest that some were pushing. I really think we kill oats here but we can't afford any mistakes so will see. On June 21 2015 06:52 Kickstart wrote: Doubt I'll die with some others still here but just in case, kill oats~ On June 21 2015 01:17 Kickstart wrote: Oats is so scummy here and should never have been allowed to live to this point. He is just starting shit fights and calling every single player in the game scum with 0 reasoning and then peacing out or telling every person who makes any point whatsoever that their point is bad or doesn't make sense while he himself gets hung up over the most useless things. Like this 'scumslip' he keeps going on about. It clearly wasn't a fucking scumslip because the guy flipped town so why the fuck oats is so hung up on it is beyond me, besides it being the new thing he can shit up the thread and argue with someone about without actually contributing in any way. If he turns out to be town he has been fucking useless and should feel bad. On June 20 2015 07:30 Kickstart wrote: zzzzzzzzzzz Was wanting to switch to oats but overslept and no one was here any fucking ways. Where does this put us. 2 mafia vs how many town still? 2v4? Nightkill we are 2v3. Yep, have to get the next one right boys. On June 19 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: So scot n oats still scummy to me. Only thing I want to note is if scott flips town I am going to have to have a look at bats and trfel for telling him to not talk to them because they aren't listening. I mean I think scott is scum too and trfel is like shitting town rainbows any time he decides to post but yeah. On June 19 2015 04:56 Kickstart wrote: Yeah I have no recent experience with oats so I can't speak to that. He just seems to give no fucks about the game or even trying to figure it out. He just comes in and nitpicks at peoples points or makes some insane mafia teams that make no sense. My only experience with him was 3 years ago and he was scum that game so he was much different. On June 19 2015 04:41 Kickstart wrote: He tends to sit back like this. But he does come in when it counts or when there is pressure and does decent then. That is how I felt he did day2 and that is why I like him for now. I would agree that other than the day2 he has been very under the radar but that is exactly how I felt about him in the 1 other games I played with him (thin it was just 1  ) and that is just how he plays. Scott is a good lynch today. My worry is with Oats is that he could be mafia or town and just being lazy, but if we allow him to live to mylo or lylo we are in a real bad spot having to try to read him, whereas almost everyone else would be easier to read at that point I think. That said we still have time and a scott lynch again looks the best to me (I'm about equal on oats vs scott lynch but seems most people arent as sure on an oats lynch as I am).On June 19 2015 03:49 Kickstart wrote: Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today. On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote: So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch. On June 21 2015 08:12 Kickstart wrote: Don't like the position we are in. Oats deserves to die but if he is town then he fucked all of us by deciding to not play this game. If he is town now is the time for him to do something, otherwise he is still the best lynch. In the past 2 pages of his filter, kickstart has posted like 12 posts telling people to lynch me. That seems like more than usual paranoia. especially since hes wrong. ##vote kickstart Also all his arguments are really bad and basically hinge on him not liking the way I play, rather than any real reasons why Im mafia. | ||
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Wave is more scummy than kickstart though. Man I actually have to go through his filter and make a case. Life sucks. Also he will be pushing my ass for really bad reasons. Can I preempt his omgus? | ||
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What kind of attitude is "they can win if they are mafia." Dude it's mylo, gotta reevaluate. Dunno what kinda shit kickstart is doing but he wants to lose the game. | ||
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The bad thing about this is that I definitely will look like town if I'm mafia. I think wave is mafia because he didn't die. I think you are mafia because the only thing on your mind the past 3 days is lynching me. When there are still 2 mafia alive. Why do you say I'm hedging my vote just cause I call more than one person mafia at a time? Also how am I the only person to think that Scott and damdred were mafia. Everyone in the game thought they were mafia. | ||
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Isn't obvious when I vote that I think a certain person is townier or scummier??? I voted for kickstart because I thought trfels case was good and I have been burned a lotta times by afk townies, aka damdred. You know, when someone says someone else is scummy it doesn't mean that he is the scummiest. I thought I made it pretty damn obvious by my voting that it was the person I thought was the scummiest. | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Kickstart your case on Oats is pretty solid aside from a couple things: a) Have you ever played with Oats before? b) Would a scum Oats be completely unconcerned with his voting, where it ended up and all the switching he has done? Also, why is Rels your second scum? Didn't I wreck you as mafia before lol. I'm telling you guys, if I'm mafia, I look like a bunch of roses right now, this game is so easy to look good if you know alignments. | ||
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You aren't wrong about the effort thing but why would I be so wrong as mafia????? The reason I don't think it's rels or ruxxar is that both of them have really odd interactions with sulf one of them, sulf called town, the other one called sulf 100% town. If one of them is mafia, I guess it would be rux but I just don't think that right now. So my pool of candidates is trfel you and wave. All trfel has done this game is post cases and analysis of people which actually isn't great. Wave's town read on you was fast as shit though. He asked like 2 simple questions and then was like " OK 100% town. He's pocketing you. | ||
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Why don't we nolynch here so you can prove me wrong Kickstarter? | ||
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I'm on my phone for most of today so I won't be quoting posts. Kickstart, if I'm mafia, I either bus sulph or call him the towniest town alive. Not do the waffely weird shit. | ||
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It's fine, but you aren't gonna lynch me at the end of the day. For sure. Btw can we nolynch? We should no lynch if we can. | ||
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Can we talk about rux and rels then? I can see rux making ton of bad posts but then so have I. | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote: They are both mafia. I'm on my phone for most of today so I won't be quoting posts. Kickstart, if I'm mafia, I either bus sulph or call him the towniest town alive. Not do the waffely weird shit. So why are you doing the waffly shit anyway if you are town??!!! Makes no fucking sense.[/QUOTE] Because I don't know their alignments..... So I change my mind when new information happens. | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:46 Kickstart wrote: Don't see why Oats is trying so hard to convince me. Like of all the players to convince that he is town surely I'm like the worst to try and convince. It's mylo, town need to vote together. Actually this is a great reason why I'm town. If I'm mafia, I only need one other townie to vote with me. To not die. | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:46 ruXxar wrote: But you never say why you want to lynch someone. Give us reasons, don't just throw out names. Anyone can do that. Give us a reason to believe you. Also the US in the last sentence is really weird. Townies would use the word me right? | ||
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Second, he says that rels is 100% town if sulph is mafia, never explains why but after sulph flips, rux then says that rels is 100% mafia. Also he says that sulph would never vote for his mafia partner, yet here we are. | ||
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On June 21 2015 12:59 ruXxar wrote: I honestly don't know who is with oats. If you put a gun to my head I would say either wave or rels. Based purely on gut feeling at this point. I need to hear trfels thoughts before I can make up my mind. And this sounds like a shit load of tmi and Noobclaiminh. | ||
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What a lazy answer. Do you mind quoting the posts that give answers so we can have actual discussion and work towards winning the game?. | ||
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Second one, why does sulph hard defend his mafia teammate then? I haven't seen any reasons why rels alignment is based on sulph flipping. | ||
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During the night you posted quite a lot of stuff but nothing reiterating your read on sulph. Other than your lis post, which I don't count. Then day 2, you only vote for him after you quoted a post which implies that you voted for him because of that post. And your read on sulph is nothing more than "shit posts, must be mafia." I dont know why you are angry with me for trying to play the game lol. In fact, it's too much. Like you are dismissing my read because I'm bad, not because the read is wrong. And where have I made up shit about you before. | ||
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Wave, if you are so concerned then quote the post and destroy me because I'm talking shit If not, me and everyone else will assume that I'm not talking shit and lynch your scummy ass. Also wave, I have been playing like balls,, I'm not playing like balls now. | ||
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Wave, I'm gonna tell something you aren't going to like. The problem I have with that post is not that you said you defended geirpt, it is that you were gonna defend geirpt if you could. And the post you quoted was geript talking about scumslips not existing. How does that make him town?? Also you never answered the accusation that you never actually mention sulph other than in your list post on n1, and you only vote for sulph after he posts another horrible post. This makes you mafia because you wanted to try and save sulph but he messed up. | ||
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On June 21 2015 17:03 Rels wrote: Yo pals, as I said like last weekend, won't be available today, with family + fête de la musique. Will have much more time tomorrow. Two things I thought when reading the thread: - Trfel's big post of me contains things that are all true, so no distorsion of reality. But Trfel, if you think I'm not very commited to my reads, what do you think of ruxxar ? - Oatsmaster has now attacked everyone to defend himself ... To quote a WOS post without looking for it, he's "throwing mud everywhere to see where it sticks". If deadline was now my vote would be on him. I havent attacked you. Or kickstart. Why are you saying that im throwing mud everywhere when Im only throwing it on like 3 people? its like trfel/wos/rux. | ||
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On June 21 2015 17:19 WaveofShadow wrote: It doesn't make him town, all I said was I wanted to look into him again but I didn't get the chance. And apparently the only thing that wouldn't have made me scum is to vote Sulf and talk about nothing but him right off the bat of D2? I talked about Sulfurus plenty up until that point, and pushed him as well. If I didn't decide to vote him until his terrible posting triggered me to remember to do so, then that's my prerogative and there is nothing even remotely scummy about it. The fact that it doesn't fit into whatever convoluted timeline you're attempting to come up with is meaningless. You are twisting anything and everything you can possibly find in your desperation but all it serves to do is make you look worse. You are grasping at the thinnest of straws to escape your fate, and why you have chosen me to latch on to I have no fucking clue. You would have had better chances with Rels or something. I'm going to tell you something you're not going to like. I'm done with you. I don't see how a town Oats could possibly play THIS horribly. Even for you. It reeks of scummy desperation and a bad choice of mislynch. ##vote: Oatsmaster Trfel/Ruxxar you're next. The thing that would make you town is to actually talk about sulf during the night which you didnt do, and instantly vote for him day 2 OR make a case that actually includes more than a d2 quote. Anyway, you cant just say "its not scummy" when I have explained why its scummy, what in the world is the bolded thing even saying? "oh i can do whatever I want, you cant call it scummy." what bullshit. How do you find scum then? I chose you because you are mafia. Im cop, red checked wave yesterday. greenchecked bats n1, kickstart n2. Damn it, thought I could talk my way outta this. Still gotta find the last mafia. | ||
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nice strawman bro. | ||
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The thing you dispute isnt my check on you. k. if im faking it, why wouldnt i put up a nice list of unquestionable checks? | ||
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On June 21 2015 17:43 WaveofShadow wrote: Do you even know what a strawman is? You just said you didn't attack Kickstart, I LITERALLY SHOWED HOW YOU ATTACKED KICKSTART. TODAY. And you apparently voted for someone you greenchecked? I just...I just can't believe how terrible this is. I'm done being provoked into these nonsensical arguments. In case you didnt realise, there is a voting thread. And, the "attack" on kickstart was for reactions from other people. I retracted like 30 minutes later. Its totally a strawman. And again, why would I fakeclaim a check that makes me look bad???? Goodbye wave. | ||
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Dude it wasn't a trap, it was to see if anyone would go on it. And to not slip that I'm cop. Cause it would be super weird for me to suddenly town read someone I've kinda semi scum read the whole game. Again, why would I fake such a "bad" check. | ||
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Look at wave's reaction. He's mafia. He got caught. I swapped after he made some really townie looking postsso it was easy to swap. | ||
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On June 21 2015 19:21 Rels wrote: OK oats I'll reread everything tomorrow before taking a stance. But you lied in this post. That is exactly what you did day 3 to kickstart. But i had ample reason to do so then so it doesnt look suspicious. . Before that, kickstart didnt really look all thattttt townie because he just wanted to lynch me. | ||
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On June 21 2015 23:03 WaveofShadow wrote: So I just noticed something interesting. The timing of oats claim comes after he can be sure town doesn't have a cop. He waits for everyone in the town to have posted to confirm rather than claim early in the day. You ask 'but wave, everyone had posted already waayyy before oats claimed!' Look at the timing of trfels post. He posts and leaves before the idea of cop claiming comes up. Oats waits until he posts the second time to be absolutely sure its safe. (This actually means trfel is probably town?) It's obvious to me where votes need to be today. I have proof now oats is scum but the rest of you need to choose one way or another. Objectively the claim and his 'proof' is awful but I suppose im just biased considering my position. Either way i'm not going to spend what time I have arguing with him either so you guys can do what you feel is right and I'm going to do what I can to help find the final scum. Probably not much until tomorrow though as its fathers day today. Dude, i claimed because everyone called me mafia. I was thinking that I could get you lynched then we pretty much win the game. I have no proof. You expect breadcrumbs? I never crumb. Now even after we lynch you, I dont get any more checks. Also, why isnt this your first post after I claim huh? Your reaction was really really bad. and the final nail in the coffin. So I just noticed something interesting. from townwave's perspective, Im fake. So there clearly must be something to prove that Im fakeclaiming. but he JUST notices something "wrong"? 8 hours after I claim? | ||
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On June 21 2015 23:33 WaveofShadow wrote: Unfortunately shouting 'I know im town therefore oats must be scum' isn't helpful to everyone else that doesn't know my alignment. I've already shown two ways that you're faking it. Your explanation of your scum reading kickstart is horseshit. Go ahead and explain away and bring all the horseshit you need to. Hopefully town doesn't buy into it but at least I'm doing all I can. For like the 3rd damn time, why would I fakeclaim such a shitty check? I havent seen any answers from anyone. You dont seem worried that being lynched means town lose the game. You dont seem worried at all. | ||
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On June 22 2015 04:50 Rels wrote: Yo, between two drinks, here is a message to Oats, as he probably will be sleeping when I wake up tomorrow: Oats, I'm not believing your claim right now. But ... it makes a little bit more sense than I thought. You didn't attack batsnacks during D2. You ignored Kickstart during D3. So. Please show me a previous game of yours where you do something like that. If it exists, show me a game where you are a cop and you did one of the following: - you didn't claim a redcheck, but tried to attack him with arguments - you didn't breadcrumb - you attacked a greencheck to throw off mafia members I have been cop like once, 2 years ago or something. So no, I cant show you a game. Sorry. But the point of not claiming is because we have a much much much easier time tomorrow if I managed to get wave lynched without claiming. | ||
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On June 22 2015 07:05 ruXxar wrote: So here's where I am at: I really want to lynch oats, nothing would please me more, he's been nothing but a useless townie all game. However, my brain is telling me that if there's a godfather in the game, there has to be a cop. On top of that, it's a newbie game. Chances are the setup will be pretty default with a medic/cop. Assuming this I see two scenarios: Either oats is fake-claiming and we have a cop that has yet to claim. Or, he's telling the truth and wave is mafia. All of my beeing really wants to lynch oatsmaster, but I can't reasonably convince myself that there somehow is a godfa ther but not a cop. If the real cop is out there, please claim so my world will make sense again. Hey my day 1 was good ok. | ||
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Also, look at waves reaction man, it's super telling that he's mafia. | ||
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You gotta decide today. | ||
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On June 22 2015 09:05 ruXxar wrote: This is a strange request all of a sudden. Why did you want a no-lynch? so I could get another check without having to make magic happen. Now it's too late though | ||
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2nd day. I thought it was a bus because it would've be suspicious for people to lynch kickstart when sulph was really obvious mafia. I don't think mafia tried to lynch Kickstart over sulph. Knowing Kickstart's alignment then makes it easier to find the mafia team. Also he wasn't on the chopping block or shooting block so imo it was a great check. I didn't do jack with this in terms of analysing other dudes though. Life is tough 3rd day, At this point, I'm running outta checks. It's still not lylo though so I'm not checking damdred, there are better check and I have explained why. I set a trap for damdred earlier in the day though. I'm pretty sure Scott hasn't gotten lynched at that point so I was setting a trap just to confirm him for people who have no idea. | ||
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Apparently he thinks that when I say the kickstart shit wasn't a trap but to get reactions it's somehow a lie. I guess he tried too hard to defend wave. Secondly, the post I had with kickstart clearly doesn't say what my read on him is, being a dick is not alignment indicative. Rels is pushing bullwhip and forcing a case in order to lynch the uncced cop. Me. Also, in his vote post, he puts more emphasis on other people's analysis rather than his own. And still nobody has posted a reason why I fake claim both red check on wave and a green check on kickstart...... | ||
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It looks like the reaction of mafia that got caught. | ||
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You do understand why I claimed late right? If I claimed with the opening post of day 1, we still have this discussion and we don't get the chance to get both mafia. We only get one and then no info tmr. | ||
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If wave is town and get lynched, he loses the game. Does his reaction after my claim show that at all???? No. He was looking back to find something to disprove my claim way too late. Trfel, tell me. If someone claims a recheck on you, you will just go off on him right? Is your reaction anything like waves? No town reaction is like that. My points are not wifom. I really thought I could get out of the lynch. Check before the day post. The attitude was definitely not like this at all. Why would mafia oats not go for easy targets on d3? You say that I'm forced into fake claiming a redcheck today wave today, but that's cause of d3 and n3. It just makes 0 sense for mafia oats not to pocket wave when he clearly has problems reading me. Trfel, there is still more than one day left. Talk to me. I want to win this game, you want to win this game. Kickstart too. Appealing to emotion is totally a thing. | ||
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Come on guys, please think properly about this. I am not playing you. Think about it, if I'm mafia, why don't I just post seals and rely on my teammate winning? You guys have no idea who the other mafia is, if I'm mafia and I post seals. | ||
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It just makes 0 sense. Sure the gain is that mafia win, but it's a really awkward fake claim to make. | ||
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The only thing you guys need to decide is whether the claim is real or fake, all the other stuff is extraneous. It's not wifom. It's not wifom, stop saying it's wifom. Setup analysis clearly doesn't apply because I'm the cop. Lol you really went and made that argument. You are too sure I'm mafia to be town. You do realise that if I'm the cop town loses right? I don't get that feeling at all from your posts. This is just another mislynch for you. | ||
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Also, why bother offering me the out that if I have another similar cop game you will believe me when clearly the only thing that will make you vote wave is a mod announcement that I'm cop. This is complete bullshit from rels, Not from trfel and kickstart, they are town. | ||
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I'm cop guys please. Please don't make me feel bad because I'm pretty much the only reason we lose. | ||
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What you think isn't important. What's important is that I made a mistake clearly. Lol don't even bother talking about tmr if you just wanna lynch me without thinking. This game is over if I get lynched. Can you guys talk abouttthat? I have no idea what wave is coming in here and trying to do, but it's clear that he's skating by and just waiting for me to get lynched. We have 7 hours left. Can all the townies take 1 last look at wave and me, and determine if there is any way wave. could be mafia with the way he has played? Drop your egos and try and damn well win this game. look at any of my previous mafia games. I do not play llike this. At all. I can't find them for you, sorry but please don't rest because if you do, there is no tomorrow. Me being cop just makes so much sense. If you guys switch, interesting stuff will happen. Scum will get very worried. Trust me. | ||
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Wave is coasting like shit right now, he isn't even trying to find the second mafia. Rux, the posts preceeding the nightkill didn't imply an overwhelming need to lynch me today so I thought I could get out of it. How many times do you want me to answer the same question lol. | ||
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Also, remember all the claims you have seen while playing. How many of them were bad and mafia? How many of them were bad and town? I'm telling you that I have never seen a really really bad mafia fakeclaim, the only thing that gets close is bunnies vet claim in the most recent ver game but in that the claim was good enough for her to survive like 3 extra days. | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:21 ruXxar wrote: Alright oats. Real talk here. What made you so sure wave was mafia *before* you checked him? Why did you not check me, who you multiple times wanted to lynch, while you never expressed any desire to lynch wave before today. I've said already, my checks were people I was paranoid about but were not gonna get lynched any time soon. Imo they were great checks. I can't say anything about the setup speculation except recently the roles for games have been pretty weird, not enough oversight. Like when bat flipped I was pretty damn confused, mad hatter and 3 blues in a newbie game is weird but whatever, that's how it is. I think it's pretty close minded to take setup speculation as the reason to lynch me when there is evidence all around that wave is mafia. He's the one that got redchecked and he has put in the least amount of effort today. It should be the other way around if he's town.. Trust me. Lol. Life is tough huh. | ||
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On June 23 2015 00:31 ruXxar wrote: And also, do you not agree with the setup analysis? Lol the setup stuff is just observation, how can I agree when I'm in a game that is clearly different from the previous newbie games? | ||
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It's a traditional thing. | ||
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And fyi, i didn't claim at the start because I actually think about optimum play. Claiming at the start of today is only optimal if I have both mafia Rux, I've posted like really clearly why I think wave is mafia. For the setup speculation, we already have had a mad hatter, a role previously never seen in a newbie game so why are you guys using that as an ultimate rule that can never be broken? | ||
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on June 16 2015 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote: I mean I'm just sitting here wondering why we're not lynching the guy who's clearly not playing the game, but that's just me. I am liking all the other stuff going on though. It makes me feel like scum are scrambling because the top townreads haven't really changed a whole lot and are untouchable while the scum are trying to figure out which of the dregs they can safely remove to continue on with the game. That in itself makes me feel good about Sulf not being targeted by anyone seemingly other than me. That says likely Sulf is scum and all the target switching and scumreads thrown out constantly means we're on the right track (although having to figure out which of all the people tossing around new scumreads are actually scum is blegggh). This post is a typical mafia post. It's super general and doesn't actually offer and real analysis. He implies that scum are scrambling when in actual fact, like half the game is doing something that he attributes as a scumtell. This is also without any mafia flips. he attributes to know what mafia are doing but the only mafia member he scum reads in this post and the next few posts are sulph, who is not doing what wave said scum or doing. Do you get this? | ||
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On June 19 2015 14:48 WaveofShadow wrote: So let me get this straight. You think Damdred is mafia. And you think Scott is mafia. And Scott is voting for Damdred, but he's not bussing this game. I mean...stop me if I'm not making sense here but SOMETHING isn't quite right, you know? Waves 180 on me is also really weird. Within a span of 36 hours, I go from one of his top town reads to one of his probably scum reads. This is consistent with the view of the thread, with kickstart and trfel pushing my case. However, in that space of time, wave only asked me a few questions after which he doesn't really follow up on, making me think that the read was changed in accordance with thread sentiment. There was nothing at all his wvaes filter showing his change of heart, just the change in tone with the posts towards me when he sheeped the scum read of kickstart. It's completely off. Wave totes mafia. | ||
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You say scum is doing stuff like that's the teams objective but you don't even bother to point out who are the people that might be trying to find easy mislynchs. Did you even read your post? I expect you to think sulph is doing it because it's a team direction. If it's not a team direction, then your post becomes completely invalid because that's not a scum tell then. I really gotta go to sleep. Town, reread and vote accordingly. You can save the game. I've done my best, now evaluate me. | ||
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On June 23 2015 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Waves 180 on me is also really weird. Within a span of 36 hours, I go from one of his top town reads to one of his probably scum reads. This is consistent with the view of the thread, with kickstart and trfel pushing my case. However, in that space of time, wave only asked me a few questions after which he doesn't really follow up on, making me think that the read was changed in accordance with thread sentiment. There was nothing at all his wvaes filter showing his change of heart, just the change in tone with the posts towards me when he sheeped the scum read of kickstart. It's completely off. Wave totes mafia. 'CAuse 36h is a super short time to change your read. Also I hear changing your read of someone is a super scummy thing to do.[/QUOTE] It's like 10-15 posts. And of all the things in the post, you manage to pick out that. Sick nitpick Nd dodging the main point Bro. | ||
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GG. The annoying thing was that people had the idea it was better to lose than to lynch wave. Like they were scared, oh if we lynch wave and he's town, I'm gonna feel more stupid than if we lynch oats and he's town. Man come on guys. I also thought his reaction was super super scummy which is why I kept repeating it over and over but you guys just let him slide on the past days cred. Oh yeah, people kept asking me questions after I explicitly said I was sleeping and won't be back before the flip. That was pretty funny. Maybe if I pushed trfel mafia to discredit him we could've won. Anyway its mostly my fault for sucking the majority of the game. Good game newbies. Really good game. It's also totally a scum tell when someone that's supposed to die ddoesn't die. It's not wifom. | ||
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On June 23 2015 09:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Ehhh...you might be sort of right on there but I don't think it was as conclusive as you're making it seem. You definitely had the right idea but you go about it SO BADLY Oats. You gotta try and organize your thoughts a little better. It's too easy to pick out inconsistencies everywhere you go. Also PLEASE don't fakeclaim as town. All things considered that was actually one of the better ones I've seen but I don't want these newbies to learn from it lol And I was telling the truth when I said I thought you were playing well D1. You just kinda fell off hard. Only fake claim if it's lylo/mylo and you are sure that the actual role isn't alive and you are on the chopping block. Yeah I totally agree with you with the organzing thoughts thing. I knew there was no cop when bats flipped but I didn't think about claiming till a few hours into the day when it seemed super grim. | ||
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Like even in lylo I got caught up with rels, maybe if I actually went and looked at what trfel said when he called wave town, I could've made a better read. Cause that's totally the connection. | ||
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Cause for trfel, he just posted walls of text and oonly interacted around them. For wave, he was too distant imo, just came in, posted something that made sense and left. Never really felt like he was trying to solve the game. IMO. Haha. Well played though, definitely. | ||
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