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On June 18 2015 19:18 Rels wrote:
OK I'm updating my town list:
WOS
Trfel
Kickstart
batsnacks
By POE 2 mafia are probably here:
ruxxar
Oats
Damdred
scott
And I think at least 1 mafia is in here:
batsnacks
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Kickstart
Trfel
So crossing the lists, these people has a good chance being mafia:
scott
ruxxar
Damdred
Ordered that last list from most scum to less scum.
So I see the idea of your crosslist, but I'm still curious of how Damdred gets there when you say he is a good sign up above, and how Oats is not, when Oats seems to be at the bottom for me and is suspicious to yourself (and myself) as well.
On June 18 2015 19:20 Rels wrote:OK I really have to work now (= didn't do shit all morning as obviously I was posting things here. TODO list when I have time: ruxxar / Sulfu interactions analysis + updating my scott case.
Please do, I've already wrote my points from above - you can see the other Guardians Game if you think I'm bullshitting about it.
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I made a list of people voting for me day 2. Damdred is in it and oats is not.
Damdred and oats are on my poe list.
When the lists are crossed that gives this result.
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I really want to lynch oats.
Reading kicks filter from day 2, he was one of the strongest if not the strongest proponent on lynching sulfur.
If kicks goes out and pushes his teammate is hard, how can oats come to the conclusion that kick doesn't know about bussing?
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On June 19 2015 03:11 ruXxar wrote:
I really want to lynch oats.
Reading kicks filter from day 2, he was one of the strongest if not the strongest proponent on lynching sulfur.
If kicks goes out and pushes his teammate is hard, how can oats come to the conclusion that kick doesn't know about bussing?
He said this after the lynch, and didn't think KS was scum when he said so afaik.
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Oats what was this?
On June 18 2015 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wave you want to lunch danded tmr?
It looks as though you had something started and then you gave up.
Why?
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oh sulfur's first post was scum reading and voting kickstart. Good knowing he's town. Also good knowing that we were lynching between town and mafia yesterday.
Sulfur spends more time d1 townreading ruxx than he does doing anything else. The only think that comes close is pushing my lynch. This could mean that ruxxar is town.
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Ruxxar voted me for most of d1, sulfurus is probably encouraging ruxxar's vote by townreading him. I don't know if this feels like two mafias.
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If someone could step in a nod occasionally so that I don't start quintuple posting that would be great.
Thinking about it more, ruxxar is probably town and probably wound up on so many wagons because he is over thinking his first game. He probably discredited my geript read because he saw n00b do it first and thought it would be okay for him to do it. I think all of his scummy actions can be explained in a way that makes sense for town.
Scott on the other hand does not make an appearance in sulfur's filter until 10 minutes before sulfur is about to be lynched. I am starting to like the possibility of sulfur attempting to wifom Scott/oats. Sulfur's read on Damdred is also suspicious.
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On June 19 2015 02:49 Rels wrote:
I made a list of people voting for me day 2. Damdred is in it and oats is not.
Damdred and oats are on my poe list.
When the lists are crossed that gives this result.
I want to say that I really appreciate you putting in a lot of work rels even if people didn't comment much on it!
Good job 
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Sulfur's strategy d1 is getting on my wagon asap and townreading the other people who voted and stayed on my wagon. Sulfur is "rewarding" n00b and ruxxar with town reads because they are pushing an agenda that benefits him. Sulfur does not need to reward his scum mates to get them to push his agenda, they do it for free.
K now I'm about to possibly get controversial. Re-reading sulfur's filter again, oats is town. I will show you why with sulfur's oats case:
On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster
Look where sulfur says oats is discrediting n00b and Rels townie posts. Sulfur is defending their posts from the big bad bully oats. Newer mafia players do this a lot as scum; they defend townies from aggressive/abrasive town players and scum read them because they believe that the abrasive townie's attitude will make them easier to mislynch. They believe they are earning town points from saving other townie's from the bully. This also implies that Rels is town.
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so townies are very likely to be:
Batsnacks
Oats
Ruxxar
Rels
Kickstart
Wave
Mafia is:
Scott
Damdred
If I need to I will make a meta case on Damdred. Did I miss anyone?
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So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch.
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On June 19 2015 03:48 Kickstart wrote:
So you saying rels ruxxar and oats arent scummy and you want to lynch scott? Not sure I agree that anything sulfurus does makes them 3 town but I said those are the 4 I would lynch into and I still feel that way. In order it is probably like oats, scott, rels, ruxxar at this point with oats being who I would most want to lynch.
You should really read what I said. Unless there's someone I missed I'm considering this game solved.
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Actually tbh I would just go between oats and scott now. Rels and ruxxar have posted a lot and both of them look better now so. Would lynch oats/scott today.
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I dunno I don't see much scum motivation in Damdreds day2 stuff around the sulfurus lynch. Basically said he refused to lynch me when I was probably who scum were going to try for and he was one of the first onto sulf. I mean its possible but if Damdred is scum why doesn't he try to get something going on a townie instead of just hard defending me and immediatly voting his scum buddy. Doesnt make sense to me :/
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I forgot about trfel. Where I'm at now it's some combination of Scott, Trfel, Damdred. Scott I'm more or less sure of, I can probably figure out who it is between Damdred and trfel if I think about it more later.
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On June 19 2015 03:42 batsnacks wrote:Sulfur's strategy d1 is getting on my wagon asap and townreading the other people who voted and stayed on my wagon. Sulfur is "rewarding" n00b and ruxxar with town reads because they are pushing an agenda that benefits him. Sulfur does not need to reward his scum mates to get them to push his agenda, they do it for free. K now I'm about to possibly get controversial. Re-reading sulfur's filter again, oats is town. I will show you why with sulfur's oats case: Show nested quote +On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster Look where sulfur says oats is discrediting n00b and Rels townie posts. Sulfur is defending their posts from the big bad bully oats. Newer mafia players do this a lot as scum; they defend townies from aggressive/abrasive town players and scum read them because they believe that the abrasive townie's attitude will make them easier to mislynch. They believe they are earning town points from saving other townie's from the bully. This also implies that Rels is town.
Pretty cool. I have me convinced.
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EBWOP: You* have me convinced.
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I'm trying to put together a case against scott, but I don't have much.
Here's what I got on scott:
Sulfur is looking bad day 2, he needs attention away from himself.
He looks for an easy target, finds oats.
Tries to put together a case on oats.
Scott then makes a case on oats as a "joke". He does it carefully using maybe and could a lot, does not want to vote on oats before it picks up steam, which it never does.
Looking at scotts filter that is probably the strongest case he has made all game, yet he is quick to dismiss it as a joke to disassociate himself from it when he sees how it could potentially backfire.
Scott also later tries to put together a case against me and oats creating an association.
Oats was an easy target and I was already controversial for my standpoints on sulfurus.
Kinda weak case from me, but I'm throwing it out there anyway.
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