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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 17:47 GMT
#1401
On June 16 2015 16:50 Trfel wrote:
Kickstart from Start of Day 2

1. Excuses instead of scumhunting
+ Show Spoiler +
I've said this before. I can't emphasize how important this is. He's been lurking and posting "I'm not scum, I'm a mislynch" instead of explaining why he isn't scum or doing actual scumhunting. This isn't a townie mindset at all.

2. Inconsistency with regards to cop check on himself
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2015 09:18 Kickstart wrote:
Cop check on me is only useful in confirming im town. I am not mafia nor is anyone really suspicious of me of being mafia from what I can tell, aside from being somewhat concerned over my afkness, cop should check someone that they think will turn up red. You are awfully concerned with what blue roles we have and what they do and you are quite wrong in what actions they should be taking. Let the blue roles play their roles and stop trying to direct them into bad plays or outing themselves.
On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.

##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras
Hm, what caused the change? He says that a cop check on himself is bad because he is town, but then says that he shouldn't be lynched until he gets cop checked.

I don't think I should need to say why this is incorrect, but here goes anyway:
1. If he is in fact town, the cop check comes back green, and it's generally not good for the cop to claim a green check
2. There might not even be a cop
3. Imagine if everyone was given the right to wait for a cop check instead of getting lynched

This isn't townie at all, he's making reasons to not lynch him that he knows are bad and that he already directly contradicted.

3. Read progression
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote:
Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though.
This is Kickstart's first post back. And he didn't give a single reason for these reads.
On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote:
meant to go ahead and vote.

##Vote Rels
Adds a vote on Rels.
On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote:
Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1.

##Unvote
##Vote Sulfuras
And then he switched his vote to Sulfurus, with no reason at all? What happened to Rels?

His wagon lost momentum. But Kickstart doesn't say why he doesn't want to lynch Rels any more, he doesn't say why Sulfurus is scummy until much later.

He's not interested in actually pushing Sulfurus, but complaining about getting lynched for false reasons and inactivity. I don't see him being interested in catching scum.

His read on ruXxar doesn't make any sense. It's in these two posts.
On June 16 2015 11:08 Kickstart wrote:
The people who are extremely interested in starting this wagon on me are damdred and ruxxar it seems. Damdred I don't know how to read because he did this same retarded shit last game and was town so I don't know. Ruxxar has been scummy all game. Going through Ruxxars filter he is literally all over the place. From weird asoociated cases that make no sense, to saying sulfuras is scum to then saying if sulfuras flips red town can go ahead and lynch him next (first he is sure sulf is scum then few posts later he is sure he is town). It doesn't make any sense. Parts of his filter seem reasonable but then others he is just way out there. Checked to see if there were any shenanis from him around the grept lynch but his vote is just as weird as anyone elses. He did a complete 180 on his bats read though but not sure that indicates much.
On June 16 2015 11:11 Kickstart wrote:
ebwop: should clarify that while ruxxar being all over the place is concerning, I think it could also be typical of a new town player trying to figure things out. So while some of his actions are suspect, I think sulfurus has been more scummy in that I dont get that same feeling from his posting.
"So, ruXxar is scummy for all of these reasons. Oh wait, but this could also be a new town player. Sulfurus is scum though because I don't feel he's a new town player trying to figure things out."

.....

That said, his read on Oatsmaster isn't inherently bad, though I disagree with it.


##vote Kickstart


And he could be the GF and trying to ride a green check if he does get checked and be NB "See I'm green u guys are scrub!11!"
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 17:54 GMT
#1402
On June 16 2015 07:25 Rels wrote:
Oatsmaster
OK I'm super tired so this one is going to be shit.
I think he's town cause I like how he questions every post he sees that is weird in his mind. And I have the feeling reading his filters that I saw his train of thought in front of me. That's it.
Conclusion: Town lean


Oats has a couple interesting points about him -

On June 13 2015 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2015 23:47 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:42 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:10 batsnacks wrote:
On June 13 2015 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thats like the worst argument in existence.


No it's not. Go piss somewhere else for a while.

i mean, it probably means you arent mafia because mafia know that activity isnt a good argument.
So you got that going for you


Activity is a very strong argument for d1 especially for me. I would say that you should know this, but I expect less from you and will have to adjust my meta of you to expect even less after this game.

Ok?

You think I care.
Its funny.


No I know you don't care, which is part why the adjustment is necessary.

This is your new meta: Oats pushes the first thing he sees and doesn't stop until not doing so would endanger his chances of survival. Oats is not logical and does not re-evaluate his reads.

Yes very good, thats my meta.


He agrees with Bats or just messing with him?

On June 14 2015 15:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Damdred didn't call me town, he's scum.
Also that completely pointless list post that has more townreads than scum reads.

Sulph / damdred mafia.

Scott also maybe.


He wants to lynch me but has not given a reason - he also went after n00b at the beginning for quite a bit as well.

It's a lot of one liners in his filter not trying to draw too much suspicion. He also wants to go after Damdred as well - and he's lower then Damdred at this moment. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486978-newbie-student-mafia-xi?user=Oatsmaster&view=all

Rels can you elaborate on your post that is like the others now that you are not tired?
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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 16 2015 17:56 GMT
#1403
scott I don't understang your last two posts. Are you making a case on Oats ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 16 2015 17:59 GMT
#1404
On June 17 2015 02:54 scott31337 wrote:
Rels can you elaborate on your post that is like the others now that you are not tired?

I have not idea what "that is like the others" mean but I suppose you want me to expand on Oats.

Sorry I have almost nothing to say. I learned yesterday than doing cases on nullish people is useless. His filter has no analysis but good questions and observations. But he doesn't commit to much. So he's team lean to me. Would not lynch him over a lot of people, but would lynch him over hard town reads like Trfel.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
June 16 2015 18:04 GMT
#1405
On June 17 2015 01:47 Kickstart wrote:
Case on me is awful and those pushing it look bad for it. Your case is that I was gone so I can back and went with thread sentiment because no one was on the lynches I thought were scum and that makes me scum? And then when that guy came in and posted a lot I took my vote off of him (like most others) and put it onto scum, which happens to be who I pegged as scum from early on? Yeah, nice case, not.
I proposed cop check if you were actually worried about me, but still your only points are that I was afk and then came back to the thread, which is fucking awful as it is in no way alignment indicative. I read through Rels 'case' on me as he asked where he says I promised something, I don't see it. Only thing I see is that I said I would look at sulfurus filter, and I did, and he is scummy.
Don't think this wagon warrants much of a defense as it is literally 'Kickstart was afk, came back and went with thread sentiment because he wasn't up to date'. Which is dumb. I have pushed who I thought were scummy, better yet my suspicions and scum reads have remained relatively similar now with perhaps Oats on my list too. This poor attempt at a wagon on me and Trfel and Rels has me concerned but I'll see what else they do as I don't want to omgus people to death.


Maybe you missed the point on Trfel's case - it's how your wording about the cop check was so much more differently then it was the previous time. You don't seem to explain that here.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 18:04 GMT
#1406
So here's the deal, I don't think Ks is going to flip scum. Its mostly a gut feeling and how dickish/non surviving he's playing atm.

I expect more but yeah think he will flip town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 16 2015 18:08 GMT
#1407
On June 17 2015 03:04 Damdred wrote:
So here's the deal, I don't think Ks is going to flip scum. Its mostly a gut feeling and how dickish/non surviving he's playing atm.

I expect more but yeah think he will flip town

Yeah this last post seemed very much like a townie giving up ...
But at the same time, a mafia could do exactly that to appear like a townie giving up. So I suppose it's WIFOM.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 18:15 GMT
#1408
On June 17 2015 02:44 Damdred wrote:
Like if you want to lynch ks ok... But everyone is clamering to the cop check point and its a bad point and doesn't make anyone acum O-o
On the contrary.

It shows that Kickstart is willing to do anything to survive. If he's town, here's what he did:
  • Sees someone suggest a cop check on him
  • Says that this is a bad idea for the obvious reasons
  • Realizes he is likely to be lynched
  • Suggests a cop check on himself
  • Mentions this again to explain it
  • Only then says that it was a joke
So, he's lied (which he said not to do in his very first post). He's willing to do basically everything to survive, EXCEPT making actual reads.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 18:17 GMT
#1409
Yeah id be more up for a rox lynch here
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 18:18 GMT
#1410
On June 17 2015 03:15 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 02:44 Damdred wrote:
Like if you want to lynch ks ok... But everyone is clamering to the cop check point and its a bad point and doesn't make anyone acum O-o
On the contrary.

It shows that Kickstart is willing to do anything to survive. If he's town, here's what he did:
  • Sees someone suggest a cop check on him
  • Says that this is a bad idea for the obvious reasons
  • Realizes he is likely to be lynched
  • Suggests a cop check on himself
  • Mentions this again to explain it
  • Only then says that it was a joke
So, he's lied (which he said not to do in his very first post). He's willing to do basically everything to survive, EXCEPT making actual reads.


So basically no towny would ever do this?
And he's made several reads some in a list post obviously.

But this doesn't make someone scum. The cop check point isn't the best
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 16 2015 18:22 GMT
#1411
On June 17 2015 03:17 Damdred wrote:
Yeah id be more up for a rox lynch here

I was just about to ask again.
In my experience when townies are about to be lynched though they don't act like this so I'm ok to stay aboard right now. I'm not even particularly interested in the reasons people have come up with either, but this lynch feels good to me.

I can't even describe it exactly. It feels like a shenanigans lynch with 5 min to go in the day, except that we started it yesterday if that makes sense.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 18:26 GMT
#1412
On June 17 2015 03:18 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 03:15 Trfel wrote:
On June 17 2015 02:44 Damdred wrote:
Like if you want to lynch ks ok... But everyone is clamering to the cop check point and its a bad point and doesn't make anyone acum O-o
On the contrary.

It shows that Kickstart is willing to do anything to survive. If he's town, here's what he did:
  • Sees someone suggest a cop check on him
  • Says that this is a bad idea for the obvious reasons
  • Realizes he is likely to be lynched
  • Suggests a cop check on himself
  • Mentions this again to explain it
  • Only then says that it was a joke
So, he's lied (which he said not to do in his very first post). He's willing to do basically everything to survive, EXCEPT making actual reads.


So basically no towny would ever do this?
And he's made several reads some in a list post obviously.

But this doesn't make someone scum. The cop check point isn't the best
No townie would make 1st post saying not to lie, scumread some1 for disagreeing, then lie.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 18:27 GMT
#1413
Townies do this all the time.
town lies more than mafia. Why? They aren't as careful with what they say.

so no that doesn't make someone scum
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
June 16 2015 18:30 GMT
#1414
On June 17 2015 03:27 Damdred wrote:
Townies do this all the time.
town lies more than mafia. Why? They aren't as careful with what they say.

so no that doesn't make someone scum

i g2g for a bit

but if town fabricates reasons for scumread on some1

i have no words
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 18:32 GMT
#1415
What's fabricated? That he scim reads someone disagreeing with him?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 18:33 GMT
#1416
I don't see how that's fabricated at all, you can make a statement, scum read someone and then contradict yourself I see it all the time
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 16 2015 18:36 GMT
#1417
I mean Geript for one this game.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
June 16 2015 18:44 GMT
#1418
Anyway idk if Ks will flip town, but my gut says he will. I hope he doesn't and I'm wrong but rux just feels the scummiest from his geripts vote to some of his other things meh
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
June 16 2015 18:57 GMT
#1419
On June 16 2015 19:25 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote:
K I just realized that Oats is scummy.

I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts)

Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town.

##Vote: Oatsmaster


What do you think about kickstart ?


Sorry if I didn't make myself clear but this is the exact problem I was trying to fix. You see Oats is mafia but not the one you have been looking for because you guys have been too tunnel visioned on Kicks.

Anyway I still think Kicks is mafia and will switch my vote to him to save a town but if there is a mafia we will lose to it will probably be Oats
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
June 16 2015 19:05 GMT
#1420
Sufurus what the hell are you talking about?
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