EPTIf there's anything anyone wants to talk to me about, I'd really appreciate it if you brought it up before then.
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Trfel
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If there's anything anyone wants to talk to me about, I'd really appreciate it if you brought it up before then. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On June 16 2015 16:50 Trfel wrote: Kickstart from Start of Day 2 1. Excuses instead of scumhunting + Show Spoiler + I've said this before. I can't emphasize how important this is. He's been lurking and posting "I'm not scum, I'm a mislynch" instead of explaining why he isn't scum or doing actual scumhunting. This isn't a townie mindset at all. 2. Inconsistency with regards to cop check on himself + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2015 09:18 Kickstart wrote: Cop check on me is only useful in confirming im town. I am not mafia nor is anyone really suspicious of me of being mafia from what I can tell, aside from being somewhat concerned over my afkness, cop should check someone that they think will turn up red. You are awfully concerned with what blue roles we have and what they do and you are quite wrong in what actions they should be taking. Let the blue roles play their roles and stop trying to direct them into bad plays or outing themselves. On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote: Hm, what caused the change? He says that a cop check on himself is bad because he is town, but then says that he shouldn't be lynched until he gets cop checked.Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1. ##Unvote ##Vote Sulfuras I don't think I should need to say why this is incorrect, but here goes anyway: 1. If he is in fact town, the cop check comes back green, and it's generally not good for the cop to claim a green check 2. There might not even be a cop 3. Imagine if everyone was given the right to wait for a cop check instead of getting lynched This isn't townie at all, he's making reasons to not lynch him that he knows are bad and that he already directly contradicted. 3. Read progression + Show Spoiler + On June 15 2015 07:17 Kickstart wrote: This is Kickstart's first post back. And he didn't give a single reason for these reads.Originally was suspicious mainly of ruxx and sulf. Sulf still scummy ruxx not so much. Hate to just come in and agree with thread sentiment but rels is scummy as well. Tbh I just skimmed through most of the EoD and the night stuff though. On June 15 2015 07:18 Kickstart wrote: Adds a vote on Rels.meant to go ahead and vote. ##Vote Rels On June 16 2015 08:07 Kickstart wrote: And then he switched his vote to Sulfurus, with no reason at all? What happened to Rels?Ill be a misslynch guys, if you are that concerned wait for a cop check or something. Should just lynch sulfurus like you were supposed to day 1. ##Unvote ##Vote Sulfuras His wagon lost momentum. But Kickstart doesn't say why he doesn't want to lynch Rels any more, he doesn't say why Sulfurus is scummy until much later. He's not interested in actually pushing Sulfurus, but complaining about getting lynched for false reasons and inactivity. I don't see him being interested in catching scum. His read on ruXxar doesn't make any sense. It's in these two posts. On June 16 2015 11:08 Kickstart wrote: The people who are extremely interested in starting this wagon on me are damdred and ruxxar it seems. Damdred I don't know how to read because he did this same retarded shit last game and was town so I don't know. Ruxxar has been scummy all game. Going through Ruxxars filter he is literally all over the place. From weird asoociated cases that make no sense, to saying sulfuras is scum to then saying if sulfuras flips red town can go ahead and lynch him next (first he is sure sulf is scum then few posts later he is sure he is town). It doesn't make any sense. Parts of his filter seem reasonable but then others he is just way out there. Checked to see if there were any shenanis from him around the grept lynch but his vote is just as weird as anyone elses. He did a complete 180 on his bats read though but not sure that indicates much. On June 16 2015 11:11 Kickstart wrote: "So, ruXxar is scummy for all of these reasons. Oh wait, but this could also be a new town player. Sulfurus is scum though because I don't feel he's a new town player trying to figure things out."ebwop: should clarify that while ruxxar being all over the place is concerning, I think it could also be typical of a new town player trying to figure things out. So while some of his actions are suspect, I think sulfurus has been more scummy in that I dont get that same feeling from his posting. ..... That said, his read on Oatsmaster isn't inherently bad, though I disagree with it. ##vote Kickstart That second point is looking very indicative that Kickstart is Mafia. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:28 batsnacks wrote: It's my birthday so... Lynch ruxxar/sulf. Maybe kick if you need to but you better have better reasons then 'afk.' I'll try to check in before deadline. Happy birthday  Yesterday you quoted my case on kickstart, in which there is reason other that just afk. Trfek also made a super good case. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:28 batsnacks wrote: It's my birthday so... Lynch ruxxar/sulf. Maybe kick if you need to but you better have better reasons then 'afk.' I'll try to check in before deadline. Read the last few pages. A lot of good points gave been made besides afk. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:38 Rels wrote: Also, I will probably be sleeping at deadline as it is at midnight for me and I he got a job now /brag. Congratulations !!  | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:28 batsnacks wrote: It's my birthday so... Lynch ruxxar/sulf. Maybe kick if you need to but you better have better reasons then 'afk.' I'll try to check in before deadline. Also happy birthday | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
I proposed cop check if you were actually worried about me, but still your only points are that I was afk and then came back to the thread, which is fucking awful as it is in no way alignment indicative. I read through Rels 'case' on me as he asked where he says I promised something, I don't see it. Only thing I see is that I said I would look at sulfurus filter, and I did, and he is scummy. Don't think this wagon warrants much of a defense as it is literally 'Kickstart was afk, came back and went with thread sentiment because he wasn't up to date'. Which is dumb. I have pushed who I thought were scummy, better yet my suspicions and scum reads have remained relatively similar now with perhaps Oats on my list too. This poor attempt at a wagon on me and Trfel and Rels has me concerned but I'll see what else they do as I don't want to omgus people to death. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
For anyone to propose that I am the optimal lynch today is in my mind an attempt to throw town off. First of all there are no strong scum reads or cases on me. The ones put forth all revovle around what I did once I came back from being afk for well over a day, if you can't see why someone would behave as I did after that then you aren't thinking clearly. There are targets much scummier than me. Ask yourself what happens if I get lynched and flip green? You have waisted an entire cycle on a ridiculous lynch and you will have gotten absolutely no information. And you won't even have an easy time sorting out the town from the scum on my wagon because they both will pull the same bullshit the moment I flip 'Oh well guess he was town after all, too bad he shouldn't have afked". And that is where town will be, with nothing gained. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
Got to get ready for an appointment be back in a few hours. | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:54 Kickstart wrote: This post is the worse of the two he just posted, though the other is pretty awful as well.Now looked at Trfels case and it is ridiculous as well. Same point about being afk and coming back and going with sentiment. Fine, that I am guilty of. The idea what I've said nothing about ruxxar and sulfurus is ridiculous as I was the first to push them both and call them scummy day 1. I suggest you go re read it instead of making shit up about me never mentioning them. The cop check thing I'm not even serious about. I think this is a ridiculous lynch attempt on me, and I just proposed that if someone is cop and was truly concerned about me they could check me. Turns out that we could have a godfather so that doesn't even matter. For anyone to propose that I am the optimal lynch today is in my mind an attempt to throw town off. First of all there are no strong scum reads or cases on me. The ones put forth all revovle around what I did once I came back from being afk for well over a day, if you can't see why someone would behave as I did after that then you aren't thinking clearly. There are targets much scummier than me. Ask yourself what happens if I get lynched and flip green? You have waisted an entire cycle on a ridiculous lynch and you will have gotten absolutely no information. And you won't even have an easy time sorting out the town from the scum on my wagon because they both will pull the same bullshit the moment I flip 'Oh well guess he was town after all, too bad he shouldn't have afked". And that is where town will be, with nothing gained. Furthermore, by now Kickstart played less than half of the game before going afk. And instead of defending himself, he just says to ignore everything that's happened and only look at the first portion of Day 1. Any discussion of his alignment would be flawed if it did not mention what he's done since returning. Seven minutes before this post, Kickstart posted this: On June 17 2015 01:47 Kickstart wrote: So yes, his cop check comment was definitely a joke.I proposed cop check if you were actually worried about me, but still your only points are that I was afk and then came back to the thread, which is fucking awful as it is in no way alignment indicative. I'm happy with this lynch. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:47 Kickstart wrote:I read through Rels 'case' on me as he asked where he says I promised something, I don't see it. 'cause you didn't read carefully. On June 13 2015 05:37 Kickstart wrote: [...] Seems the idea of a bats lynch is gathering steam. I actually thought his posting was weird but I have only played with him in 1 other game to go off of. I'll reread his filter at some point before EoD and see if I still get that impression. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 17 2015 01:47 Kickstart wrote: Case on me is awful and those pushing it look bad for it. Your case is that I was gone so I can back and went with thread sentiment because no one was on the lynches I thought were scum and that makes me scum? And then when that guy came in and posted a lot I took my vote off of him (like most others) and put it onto scum, which happens to be who I pegged as scum from early on? Yeah, nice case, not. I proposed cop check if you were actually worried about me, but still your only points are that I was afk and then came back to the thread, which is fucking awful as it is in no way alignment indicative. I read through Rels 'case' on me as he asked where he says I promised something, I don't see it. Only thing I see is that I said I would look at sulfurus filter, and I did, and he is scummy. Don't think this wagon warrants much of a defense as it is literally 'Kickstart was afk, came back and went with thread sentiment because he wasn't up to date'. Which is dumb. I have pushed who I thought were scummy, better yet my suspicions and scum reads have remained relatively similar now with perhaps Oats on my list too. This poor attempt at a wagon on me and Trfel and Rels has me concerned but I'll see what else they do as I don't want to omgus people to death. Yes, to repeat your words, I find that "Kickstart was afk, came back and went with thread sentiment because he wasn't up to date" is enough to be suspicious of you. But that's not all. Yesterday you spent 9 posts in 6 hours and didn't say anything useful. I explain that here. On June 16 2015 16:37 Rels wrote: Yeah I agree AFK != scum. But since his post saying he came back to the thread: And his last post of the day: He posted 9 posts in 6 hours. If he wanted he had the time to explain his thought process, and didn't. It's not like he just posted one post and left. He posted things over 6 hours and didn't explain shit or scumhunt or analyze shit. Really. His reason for voting me was: And his reason for unvoting me was, 6 hours after the unvote: And finally, Trfel's point about the cop check is super damning. | ||
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Kickstart
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Damdred
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scott31337
United States2979 Posts
On June 16 2015 13:06 Kickstart wrote: I said sorry once. Again you are just making stuff up in that regard. Only in your mind was last game an ok lynch and was I playing weird at all, your only qualm was my posts were too long.... But I don't want to argue with you about a prior game or about anything for that matter. For someone who likes to talk about what others do, you sure sit back and do nothing early on and get yourself into the the most ridiculous tunnels :rollseyes:. Not discussing this nonsense further it is a waste of time. Then let us discuss Sulfurus - what do you not like about him? He just voted for Oats I see. On June 16 2015 15:32 Sulfurus wrote: K I just realized that Oats is scummy. I looked through his filter and minus the fluff it's just him asking questions (interspersed with attempts to discredit towny posts) Now I'm sure n00b would be quick to remind me that asking questions is actually towny as it provides valuable scum hunting information But even if Oats has gotten anything from his posts he hasn't actually provided any of it to the thread in fact it's likely that his questions are helping mafia more then town. ##Vote: Oatsmaster And this is his only post recently. This is a pretty shit case - he could almost make one of these on myself - Rels on myself was better, I answered his questions beyond the one about my replacement since I didn't know his point of view - and was okay with it but suspicious of me. Trfel - On June 16 2015 09:42 Trfel wrote: It was while I was voting for you, and while scott31337 was not. I guess you're right, it's not really important. Kickstart is probably a better lynch. I just got really mad at the thought of getting pocketed like that. Would still like to see a response from scott31337, though, as he certainly isn't cleared. I need to go, I'll look through ruXxar's filter tonight. Yes, you nailed it on the head why I added the URL code - I wanted you to get the message about the Battraps(tm) without him seeing it since it would be doubtful it's a message he quotes. Batsnacks gave you a good response to it, which I like - he admits it's a pretty accurate meta. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 17 2015 02:40 Kickstart wrote: Alright then lynch me. When I flip green you can be in as useless a place as I said you would be. I ask you to consider what shape town is in if I flip green because I know the answer but it seems you either a) aren't considering it or b) don't care. Both of which are weird. Also I did give some reads earlier on who I thought was scummy and who I would lynch/not lynch. They may not be detailed or as in depth as you would usually expect from me but we've been over the reasons for that, you do what you wish with the information. Anyways really got to go now , just been getting ready. I expect to be back in under 2 hours or so. Alright. I'm not considering a town with you flipping green 'cause I think you're going to flip red. If you're really town and gave up on defending, at least leave a last will post like noobking did. | ||
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