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On June 14 2015 05:11 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:07 n00bKing wrote:
This post is pitiful. Like, PITIFUL. You're completely disregarding the whole reason Rels thought FakePlants was scum to begin with. Everything in Rels' thought progression on FakePlants/scott makes sense. I have no clue where you get this idea. First, it the reason that Rels thought that Fake)Plants was scum isn't important for this argument. Rels himself said that the reason is invalidated by scott31337's replacement, and then he kept jumping back on it whenever opportunity presented itself, despite saying that scott31337's posts weren't scummy. Please explain how this makes sense.
Of course the reason Rels thought FakePlants was scum is important. Where did Rels say that reason was "invalidated" by scott replacing FakePlants? That reason doesn't have anything to do with scott. It only has to do with what the host said and what FakePlants said. NOTHING else.
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The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic?
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On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.
How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read.
You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum.
This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost.
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On June 14 2015 06:01 ruXxar wrote:
I'm not sure who takes priority between roleblocker and PGO, but lets assume that the PGO takes priority.
I would assume the opposite. If a PGO gets roleblocked, he can't kill anyone. You can ask the question, but I don't see how this is really debatable.
On June 14 2015 06:01 ruXxar wrote: From this I just realized I can't really see a clear reason why he should or shouldnt reveal himself, it all gets a bit too complicated for me.
*brain fried*
Well just trust me then, because it's not too complicated for me. 
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On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself.
If only geript can explain, then have him explain. Ask him if what I assumed about his line of thinking is correct or not.
And he did NOT say that was one of his dumbest posts ever. He said batsnacks' argument against him was one of the dumbest posts ever. (And it's probably not, but it's one of the dumbest posts this game.)
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On June 14 2015 06:16 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.
Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time. If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense.
Probably agree. This will neuter his role if he is Allen or Neil. But it's still better than lynching those roles.
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Ummm....the day isn't over for another hour. You can check the vote counts in the Voting thread for confirmation.
I assume we're going to have to stick with the result (because I doubt the Host would let us go back and change votes after seeing the flip) but....yeah.
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The deadline for each cycle will be 16:00 MDT (-06:00).
That's what I see in the rules. And that matches with what the vote count posts show. If I log out, it still says the same thing, so it's not like it's customizing it based on my location or something.
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On June 14 2015 07:21 n00bKing wrote:That's what I see in the rules. And that matches with what the vote count posts show. If I log out, it still says the same thing, so it's not like it's customizing it based on my location or something.
Whoa, wait a second. That does NOT match what the vote count posts show. They show 17:00 MDT, which is what that post USED to say. Someone changed the deadline after the game started, is what it looks like.
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Okay, it looks like he went and edited it just now. It definitely said 17:00 before and not 16:00. I guess 16:00 is what it will be going forward, but this is still kinda lame. : \
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On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks.
The Phase might have been 48 hours, but it didn't end when the post in Page 1 said it would, and it didn't end at the time all of the vote counts told us it would.
I don't know that the result of the Day would have been ANY different (because my attempts to defend geript did not get a single person to move their vote off of him yet, and in fact 2 more people moved their vote ONTO him after I tried to defend him) but it's "still kinda lame."
Anyway, we're stuck with it, so I'm gonna let it go for now, and just move on.
damdred wrote:
Anyway, who do you think is town/scum
Well, I would again backreference this post:
n00bKing wrote: Situation: 11 players have votes in place, and 2 players are not voting. All 11 of the votes are on either batsnacks or Sulfurus. No one has a vote on anyone else.
At this stage of a Day 1, I'm more used to seeing a smattering of votes on some other miscellaneous players too. Maybe partially because the scum team doesn't want to have all their votes in one place, so they fan out some (and maybe a random Townie or two gets tunneled on their respective targets, and won't budge, even though no one else has any interest in following along).
Theory: This situation makes it pretty likely that one of the two players receiving votes is actually scum, and that we don't have a Town vs. Town situation for our two vote leaders. The scum team has not been able to fan out their votes, because they've needed "all hands on deck" to make sure that the scum player doesn't take a runaway lead in the voting.
Conclusion: Even though there's a lot of time left in the Phase, we may not want to introduce a third lynch target, and should instead stick to trying to pick between these two (since, if the Theory is correct, one of them would flip Red).
This is why I was disappointed to see the surge against geript ignite (aside from the fact that batsnacks' reasoning against him was garbage), because I felt like we had a REAL reason to think that one of the two original vote leaders was scum. I still feel that way now.
As far as which of them is MORE likely to be scum, and which of my town reads become stronger based on the result of the lynch, I should re-read a few things first, and get back to you later.
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On June 14 2015 07:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks.
Anyway, who do you think is town/scum Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this. getrip was fine with suspecting both Sulfurus and Rels when necessary and he even voted for both at some point. Not only that, but both Sulfurus AND Rels were two of our top suspects as Mafia. I can't shake off the feeling that getrip just really screwed up by accident and we were jumping on it for no reason.
Kinda going pretty far out of your way to ignore the fact that geript said the Vigilante should KILL BATSNACKS tonight, aren't you?
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On June 14 2015 08:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 08:11 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 07:57 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Also day post is at 18:06 for,me and it's 18:36 now Sooo it's right just sucks.
Anyway, who do you think is town/scum Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this. getrip was fine with suspecting both Sulfurus and Rels when necessary and he even voted for both at some point. Not only that, but both Sulfurus AND Rels were two of our top suspects as Mafia. I can't shake off the feeling that getrip just really screwed up by accident and we were jumping on it for no reason. Kinda going pretty far out of your way to ignore the fact that geript said the Vigilante should KILL BATSNACKS tonight, aren't you? I don't see that post and mine have any relation?
Really? damdred asked who was scum/town. And you said a bunch of stuff about what geript's opinions were on who might be scum. Presumably because we now know for certain that his opinions came from a Townie, and are not obfuscation in any way. So you talk and talk about Sulfurus and Rels, since those are both players geript voted against. But you completely IGNORE that geript said the Vigilante should KILL BATSNACKS. You don't understand why that looks bad?
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On June 14 2015 08:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
lol I don't think I understand why that looks bad
Jeebus. Come on, man.
He's doing analysis of geript's scumreads, since geript is now a confirmed Townie. He's casting suspicion on Rels and Sulfurus, because they were players that geript voted against. But the STRONGEST recommendation we got from our confirmed Townie was to KILL BATSNACKS IMMEDIATELY. To leave that out entirely and only focus on the other things makes it look like Batsnacks and Moosy are Mafia teammates. I'm not saying they are, but if they aren't, then Moosy is seriously screwing up here.
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On June 14 2015 08:24 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also something really stood out to me reading over EOD as well and that's th stupid conversation between Noob and Ruxxar that everyone ignored. I ignored it too up until this point.
I sure wish everyone had focused more on that conversation, and paid a lot less attention to the dumb shit people were saying to get geript in a Noose.
WaveofShadow wrote:
Completely useless and irrelevant posting for pages, then ruxxar jumps in with this.
I know everyone else jumped on as well but read through this and tell me it doesn't look like shit. Just ass-kissing of the worst degree, over emphasis on how his read developed and how bats was 'redeemed' when plenty of us found him townier way earlier.
Yep, it's an ugly post. And it's not ruXxar's only ugly post. But I don't have any room for him in my suspects list at the moment. At least not before a re-read.
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On June 14 2015 08:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
He's asking for vig to remove him, not lynch, indicating that he thinks batsnacks is disruptive town.
Given the way the game has gone so far, I can't think of a reason to trust anyone else's interpretations of geript's posts more than I trust my own. When you had your big argument with him, it seemed like I was the only one who understood what geript had actually meant, and said that geript's posts were not indicative of him being scum, and that the argument resulted from a misunderstanding on YOUR part. When batsnacks "caught geript claiming mafia" it seemed like I was the only one who understood what geript had actually meant, and said that the reasoning being used against him was hollow.
I know the difference between a vigilante shot and a lynch. We get to try and lynch scum EVERY day. The vigilante only gets ONE chance to kill scum. If I recommend someone be shot by the vigilante, that's a MUCH stronger indictment than if I merely recommend that you lynch them. geript is not telling the vigilante to kill someone that he believes is just "disruptive town." I might tell people to ignore a disruptive townie, but there's no excuse for telling a one-shot vigilante to kill a town player.
"In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level" does not mean that Batsnacks is such an idiot the vigilante should kill him, even though he's Town. It means that even IF he were to be Town, it wouldn't be that bad of a mistake, since Batsnacks is such an idiot. There's a very important distinction between those two things. You think geript would be SURPRISED if Batsnacks flipped Red? I don't think so.
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The point of all this is that Moosy's post is bad. Even he has now asked everyone to please disregard it. Hopefully other people will get it, even if WaveofShadow does not.
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On June 14 2015 09:09 Damdred wrote:
Umm Idk why Geript as confirmed town would have better reads than say... anyone left alive?
That's not the point. geript's reads might not be "better" but they are "trustworthy."
Pick any player left that you think is better at this game than geript is. Are that player's reads likely to be "better" than geript's? Maybe. But you don't know whether they are genuine, or if they are coming from a scum player.
geript's reads might not be right, but at least we have reason to expect he was being honest with us. And his honest opinions are that Sulfurus and Rels would be good players to think about lynching, but that first and foremost, we should put a bullet in batsnacks.
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On June 14 2015 09:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Let me guess. I fell for n00bKing's trap -> revealed I'm Mafia -> fact I'm agreeing with n00bking afterwards is desperate attempt to cover it up -> continuously pulling newb card -> lynch him?
Maybe?
It's definitely true that you are "continuously pulling newb card." I thought it was pretty funny when you were bashing batsnacks for his poor attitude this game, because he was making scumreads by only "skimming" the thread.
Yet you apparently couldn't even be bothered to read Page 1, because you asked if we know how many mafia players there are, and then you edited a post, and then you asked what a Carl is.
You asked me to re-read your post, in the context that you hadn't noticed geript had flipped Town. That mostly works, but the problem I have with it is where you say "Lol, I don't think anything is certain after this." To me, that sounds like "Well now that we saw geript was Town, after so many people were so sure he was scum, I don't think anything is certain." I can't PROVE that's what you meant, that's just how it reads to me.
I also don't especially care for the fact that the last post made before geript flips Green is you doing a half-assed job of second-guessing the lynch on geript, because you're "so confused." That could be read as you trying to disassociate yourself from the mislynch on geript that you know is about to happen (but without being so obvious about it as to actually move your vote).
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On June 14 2015 12:08 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 11:52 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 09:09 Damdred wrote:
Umm Idk why Geript as confirmed town would have better reads than say... anyone left alive? That's not the point. geript's reads might not be "better" but they are "trustworthy." Pick any player left that you think is better at this game than geript is. Are that player's reads likely to be "better" than geript's? Maybe. But you don't know whether they are genuine, or if they are coming from a scum player. geript's reads might not be right, but at least we have reason to expect he was being honest with us. And his honest opinions are that Sulfurus and Rels would be good players to think about lynching, but that first and foremost, we should put a bullet in batsnacks. This is so wrong.... so very very wrong
How so? Why do you think geript's reads aren't trustworthy, even if they could still be inaccurate? Why do you think he wouldn't be honest with us, on his way out the door? He's going to try and mislead us, just out of spite, because he's pissed about being mislynched?
This is a Newbie game. Saying a post like mine is "very very wrong" without giving a single drop of explanation WHY it's wrong, does not serve the Town's interests.
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