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On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself. That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this: Show nested quote +ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play.
In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic.
It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios.
I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town.
A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to.
I'm trying to rectify this.
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On June 14 2015 05:18 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 04:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 04:40 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 04:13 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 03:50 n00bKing wrote:
Does knowing that there is only 1 mafia attack each Night change your position?
Knowing that there is only 1 kp, then i believe there is a case both for and against the PGO to reveal himself. Here are my scenarios for and against : For: The PGO is a weak town player that might get cop checked. The PGO is one of the strongest town players and likely to be targeted by the medic. Against: A semi strong town player is the PGO, but he's not the strongest. Medic will most likely protect the perceived strongest town player. The mafia knowing this will go for some of the second strongest targets they know probably won't be saved by the medic. In this case it's beneficial for the PGO to not reveal himself. That's pretty interesting, considering you had just said this: ruXxar wrote: After reducing kill power to 1 I would agree that Carl revealing himself is a good play. In my first post I was just taking into consideration that mafia with 1 kp perform 1 target action per night and that town has 2 with cop and medic. It wasn't until my last post that i thought about it more deeply and tried to figure out the real scenarios. I'm also not used to mafia with more roles than mafia, cop, medic, vigilante and town. A lot of my thinking right now is automatically based around just having those roles in the game, since that's what i've had the most exposure to. I'm trying to rectify this. You're moving in the opposite direction of what would make sense, though. You assumed the Town had only Cop and Doctor. And said that once the Mafia was down to 1kp, it makes sense for Carl to claim. Now, nevermind the fact that a discussion OF the Carl role ALREADY destroys your notion that the Town only has Cop and Doctor as its non-vanilla roles. When you add in Dr. Weird and Frylock as additional Town roles that could be killed by Carl (both of which would kill Carl at the same time!) it becomes way MORE obvious that Carl needs to claim. Instead, when you thought about it more, you start to see a case for and against him claiming? That doesn't make any sense. Please make sense.
My scenarios make sense in the isolated scope i presented.
I'm trying to make sense of the role listed posted on the first page but it's confusing me.
scum team - "Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday"
context: + Show Spoiler +
Roleblocker - Cybernectic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future:
Every night, you may choose a player to roleblock, which will prevent them from performing actions and visits that night. The roleblocked player will be notified, even if s/he is vanilla. + Show Spoiler +
Rolecop -Happy Time Harry:
Every night you may choose a player to role check. You will get a result saying what role they have.+ Show Spoiler +
Godfather - Ignignokt the mooninite:
You return "town" to cop checks, as though you were a vanilla townie. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - rabbot:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. + Show Spoiler +
Goon - plutionian (Emory and Ogelthorpe) + Show Spoiler +
Town
Mad Hatter - Dr. Weird:
You have 1 bomb. At night you can place that bomb on another player, or move the bomb. When you die, the bomb blows up killing them. If your target is lynched, your bomb is lost. If your target is shot, the bomb is returned to you. You win with the town.+ Show Spoiler +
Cop - Allen (Alien):
Each night phase, you may choose a player to investigate. You will visit the player and receive "Town" or "Anti-town" as a result. Your results are guaranteed to be accurate. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Veteran - Master Shake:
You have a bulletproof vest that can absorb one bullet. This means you need to be shot twice in order to die: once to destroy the vest, once to kill you. If you are roleblocked, however, your bulletproof vest doesn't work that night. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
Vigilante - frylock:
Once per game, at night, you may select a player to kill. That player is shot overnight and dies at the start of the next day. If your target was also shot by mafia, or was protected by a doctor or veteran status, your bullet is lost. If you were roleblocked, you don't use your bullet and can try againt he next night. You win with the town.
+ Show Spoiler +
Paranoid Gun Owner - Carl:
The Paranoid Gun Owner passively (and involuntarily) kills anyone who targets it during the Night. You win with town.+ Show Spoiler +
Doctor - Neil:
Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to protect. You will visit the player, and if the mafia attempt to kill a player you are protecting on the same night, the kill will fail. Neither you nor the target will be notified if you prevent a kill. You win with the town. + Show Spoiler +
VT - Meatwad piece + Show Spoiler +
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles:
Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon.
Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins?
Please help me understand.
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On June 14 2015 05:38 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:36 ruXxar wrote:
According to this, it's possible that the 3 mafia can have these roles:
Role blocker, rolecop, godfather, vigilante and goon.
Or does it mean that there are 3 mafia PLUS possibly 5 other roles that are not mafia, but win when mafia wins?
Please help me understand.
It's the first one. There are 3 mafia, who can have any of those 5 roles. It looks to me like 2 mafia could even have the same 1 of those 5 roles, weird as that sounds.
In that case these are the statistics:
I'm making the assumption that there are no duplicate roles besides VT and Goon
For mafia, there are possibly 3 target actions per night + vigilante shot.
I'm not sure who takes priority between roleblocker and PGO, but lets assume that the PGO takes priority.
For town there are possibly 3 target actions per night + vigilante shot.
Mafia know who's on each team.
If the mafia target the PGO they will instantly know who it is and won't target him again.
Whereas if a town targets the PGO, it might be assumed that he died due to a mafia kill or a vigilante shot.
If we don't count the vigilantes chances thjen chances are mafia will lose max 1 person to the PGO, while town could possibly lose 3.
In percentages that would mean that mafia lose 33% of their force, while town could lose 30% of their force.
That doesnt really say anything though since you have to evalute the value of each role individually, which is very hard to do.
From this I just realized I can't really see a clear reason why he should or shouldnt reveal himself, it all gets a bit too complicated for me.
*brain fried*
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On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:32 batsnacks wrote:
Bat Traps™ mafia traps. The highest quality traps for your scum hunting needs. We'll see how right we are after Sulfurus, Rels, and getrip. You don't understand. geript just claimed mafia. Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia.
Wow bats... I'm speechless.
I had you and geript as my top two scum.
I refuse to believe that you would bus your own scum teammate this hard.
You really redeemed yourself here in my eyes.
I'll have to change my alignment of you to town and change my vote to geript.
##Unvote batsnacks
##Vote geript
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On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.
Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time.
If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense.
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On June 14 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:16 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.
Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time. If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense. Even if he is a townie, it shows he wasn't a role with this post. He clearly wasn't vigilante and I doubt that he was doctor.
I also doubt it, but I'm just saying that if he wants to have any chance to recover from this blow he needs to provide some really convincing evidence.
We also have to think about the implication of geript being mafia.
It means that now rels would actually be confirmed town and yet there were strong accusations against him not too long ago.
This means that his play so far has been his standard townplay, and all the cues we used to read him as mafia for are useless.
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On June 14 2015 06:25 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:16 ruXxar wrote:On June 14 2015 06:13 geript wrote:
Oh and BTW. Vigilante. Shoot Batsnacks tonight. You'll realize why once I flip. In the least, you should to it to raise the overall intelligence level.
Like I'm literally done playing mafia here. It's fucking stupid. Every time I role mafia, people have no clue how to read me and I wreck face. Every time I role town the stupids think something I've said actually makes me mafia. It gets more fucking ridiculous each and every time. If you are town with a role you should claim it now if you want to make a defense. Even if he is a townie, it shows he wasn't a role with this post. He clearly wasn't vigilante and I doubt that he was doctor. I also doubt it, but I'm just saying that if he wants to have any chance to recover from this blow he needs to provide some really convincing evidence. We also have to think about the implication of geript being mafia. It means that now rels would actually be confirmed town and yet there were strong accusations against him not too long ago. This means that his play so far has been his standard townplay, and all the cues we used to read him as mafia for are useless.
It also makes it interesting to evaluate those who pushed hard for rels, if they maybe were mafia looking for easy lynch target, trying to deflect votes off sulfurus.
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are we allowed to talk during night time?
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My head is pretty busted after geript flipped town.
There's so many connections floating around in my head, so many possibilities, so many questions.
I feel like the game is opening up right now, a lot of loose threads to weave together.
I'll take a good night sleep and reevaluate tomorrow with a clear head, but i somehow sense that there is a pattern to all this supposed chaos.
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So first off.
I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected.
It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it.
I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it.
All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far.
I can't help but feel like i've been fooled.
I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily.
If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread.
After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy.
I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play.
-Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped.
Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things.
-Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote.
A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily.
Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really.
He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own.
The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon.
Wants other people to make a case for him:
On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case.
On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point?
Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb).
On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself.
Then he posts this gem:
On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time.
I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together.
It seems possible.
There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels.
For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat.
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On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder.
The bold part makes me think you have a power role...
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On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role...
Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role.
I'm curious if you actually are the medic.
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On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic.
(PS : Don't tell us if you are)
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On June 15 2015 00:31 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Moosy quick spot of advice. Don't apologize for things, and don't make excuses. Just play and don't be concerned with how you look to others.
I can maybe talk for a little if you're around. Where do you think we go tomorrow?
Do you agree with noobs various analyses?
If you had to guess a scum team right now, who would it be?
All some things to consider/talk about. The only thing I'm sure about are townies which I've made a list of: WaveofShadow Trfel n00bking Oatsmaster batsnacks Everyone else deserves another look imo, but these are solidly town which I'm sure everyone can agree with.
I'm not sure about anything but from this list :
n00bking is my #1 townread right now, 100%.
Trfel would be second.
I disagree on bats, he's scum in my eyes.
Unsure about the rest.
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On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:On June 14 2015 05:38 batsnacks wrote:Here is geript saying he will sheep Trfel's amazing case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 04:54 geript wrote:
Actually, I think I'm going to sheep too. Here is sulfurus's bold post defending Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Here is me saying sulfurus's post is bold, I ask why mafia would post such a thing: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? Here geript explains that sometimes mafia like to defend town poorly. geript knows that Rels is town, yet he would sheep Trfel's case on Rels: + Show Spoiler +On June 14 2015 05:08 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:04 batsnacks wrote:On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. This is bold. Why does mafia post this? It's not uncommon for mafia to defend town badly. Especially newer mafia. How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read. You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum. This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. (PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible.
Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me.
I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information.
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On June 15 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:So first off. I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected. It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it. I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it. All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far. I can't help but feel like i've been fooled. I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily. If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread. After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy. I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play. -Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped. Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things. -Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote. A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily. Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really. He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own. The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon. Wants other people to make a case for him: On June 13 2015 05:52 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Sulfurus looks easiest if you want to make a case. geript might pass but idk. They both have 1 vote so you just need to persuade 2 more. tbh, I'm deciding between either Sulfurus or geript so help me out by making a case. On June 14 2015 05:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 05:51 n00bKing wrote:
The last couple of hours are such a disappointment. Had 6 votes on one player and 5 on another. Now there are 4 different players with at least 3 votes on them, none of which have more than a 1-vote lead on any other. Who wants to post a trainwreck pic? Do you seriously not think geript is Mafia at this point? Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb). On June 14 2015 06:09 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:
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How is any of that supposed to be difficult to explain? Geript has at times thought Sulfurus looked scummy. And he has at times thought Rels looked scummy. Most recently, his vote has been on Rels, so that is presumably his top scum read.
You ask geript why Sulfurus would defend Rels if Sulfurus were scum. geript at this point participates in a discussion that PRE-ASSUMES Sulfurus is scum. And he hypothesizes that Sulfurus could be defending a Town player poorly. This would require him to be wrong about Rels being scum. I see nothing wrong with geript acknowledging the possibility that he could be wrong about Rels being scum, and answering a hypothetical question about why Sulfurus would act as he has if HE were scum.
This is almost as hollow as the reasoning Trfel used against Rels. Not quite as hollow. But almost. That's a lot of assumptions about what geript is thinking which he can only explain. His initial reaction afterwards leads us to believe it was a slip on his part and that the above wasn't what he was thinking. He said it was one of his dumbest posts ever which leads us to believe that he did still think that Rels + Sulfurus was scum at that moment and he contradicted himself there. So getrip kinda just killed your argument there by himself. Then he posts this gem: On June 14 2015 06:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I think the better thing to discuss in terms of roles now that we're all voting for geript is finding who the doctors should save for night time. I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together. It seems possible. There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels. For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat. Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. (PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible. Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me. I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information. ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you. Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those.
It was very enlightening for me to see you defend yourself so hard.
I really liked the way you defended yourself with ferocity.
I also believe in occams razor. I think that usually the scenario with the least amount of crazy assumptions is most likely to be correct.
If you baited me with that piece of information, then good job, but I really liked your spirit in defending yourself, and seen in light of a newbie then it makes sense that you made some ramblings while under pressure.
Keeping my townread on you for now.
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On June 15 2015 01:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 14 2015 21:52 ruXxar wrote:
So first off.
I'm very disappointed that the night actually started 1 hour earlier than expected.
It didn't give me enough time to analyze batsnacks accusation even though it made sense when he posted it.
I can't tell you his reasons for doing so, but it felt like such an improvised and irregular post that I don't know what to make of it.
All game I had him as scum, and suddenly he makes this one move which totally breaks with his character so far.
I can't help but feel like i've been fooled.
I want to say that I should've stuck to my gut feeling and not be swayed so easily.
If I disregard that one action of his, then batsnacks is still my top scumread.
After reading all the filters again I also get a bad vibe off moosy.
I had you as a town read early on since you so accurately read me with the IRL mafia association and came from the point of view as a newbie, but somehow I feel like that has blinded me from looking at the overarching lines of your play.
-Pulls the noob card a lot, too much imo. I can't excuse that you thought there were only 2 mafia in the game, nor that you missed that geript flipped.
Missing that geript flipped as town has nothing to do with being a newb, but seems to me that you're trying to ride that excuse for a lot of things.
-Indecisive, passive play, says he wants to be careful with his vote.
A lot of his comments are just very superficial questions which he backs off very easily.
Almost like he's trying to pretend like he's helping but not really.
He makes it seem like he's contributing by asking players their opinions, but makes no hard accusations of his own.
The only time he follows an accusation is when other people already started a wagon.
Wants other people to make a case for him:
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Trying to misrepresent what geript actually said(he said that the post about his slip was dumb, not the post he himself made was dumb).
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Then he posts this gem:
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I'm trying to imagine a world where moosy and bat are mafia together.
It seems possible.
There's more points to be made about moosy which some people have already made, including n00bking and rels.
For now Moosy is climbing up as my #2 scum after bat.
Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death. 1. Pulling the noob card I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help. - When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior. - geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up. - Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use. 2. Indecisive, passive play - Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out. - Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument. - Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context. 3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. (PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible. Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me. I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information. ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you. Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those. It was very enlightening for me to see you defend yourself so hard. I really liked the way you defended yourself with ferocity. I also believe in occams razor. I think that usually the scenario with the least amount of crazy assumptions is most likely to be correct. If you baited me with that piece of information, then good job, but I really liked your spirit in defending yourself, and seen in light of a newbie then it makes sense that you made some ramblings while under pressure. Keeping my townread on you for now. ^.^ I was hoping that someone would pick up on it and to get a solid read based on their reaction. Glad to see you're a townie with us ruXxar.
I want to hear your opinion on the whole batsnacks trap thing.
It seemed like a very big jump from his normal demeanor. Like out of the blue he suddenly makes an irrational action like that.
I know you said you didn't have any scumreads right now, but if you wanted to go with a gut feeling, who would you possibly want to know more about?
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On June 15 2015 01:35 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 01:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:27 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:On June 15 2015 01:08 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 01:00 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 15 2015 00:56 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:55 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:53 ruXxar wrote:On June 15 2015 00:03 MoosyDoosy wrote:
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Alright ruXxar, let's dance this dance of death.
1. Pulling the noob card
I mean, what can I say? This is completely my fault for not reading things correctly and I realize it more than anyone else. However, if you look at the posts I make cluelessly, you can see that I'm still genuinely attempting to help.
- When I bring up the possibility of 2 Mafia, I'm trying to expand our thought process in case there is more than 1 Mafia. After all, it's a terrible idea to have a confined mindset. Also, a nitpick with this point of yours. If you say that me suggesting there's 2 Mafia is "inexcusable" that's more of an accusation of bad play and not scum-oriented behavior.
- geript flipped as town. Okay, try and follow me here. IF we didn't know that geript was flipped, then my thought process was clear here. IF geript was a Mafia, then his two suspects in Sulfurus and Rels can't be Mafia as well unless he was busing them. Which was unfortunate because Sulfurus and Rels were also our top suspects for Mafia. IF geript was a townie which seems more likely due to the above scenario, we screwed up big time. That's what my thought process was but it turns out geript flipped which means we screwed up.
- Also, I do try and read stuff but some of it just doesn't end up in my brain. If you recall ruXxar, I did point out that we can ask questions in green text which at least displays some reading comprehension. You might want to point that out to show that I haven't completely been pulling out the noob card in every sentence I use.
2. Indecisive, passive play
- Your example where I'm suggesting either Sulfurus or geript to batsnacks is a terrible one. I believe I said it somewhere else before, but it was an attempt for me to set bait. If batsnacks does try to defend himself with either of my suggestions or just makes a good case in general, that means he's town. If he doesn't try, he's scum. In the end, I'd still say I think he's town because he's genuinely been trying to defend himself and used geript as a way out.
- Also, expand more on this if you're going to make it a point. You can't just nitpick things like you did with point #1 too. If we're talking about indecisiveness, cover how I don't really want to place a vote, I come into the thread passive, and I'm generally terrible at pressuring people. If you count all these things in, I'm pretty sure anyone can see that I have a passive playstyle. If you hate my playstyle, sure go for it and make a case off of my passivity, but don't nitpick stuff just to support your own argument.
- Also, I won't answer your other quotes because those are totally irrelevant when looked at in context.
3. Asking about pr roles
- Hm...I can see why you think a Mafia would post that. But don't worry, there was a reason behind that post. If you still want to pressure me on this, feel free to do so as I can't adequately defend myself on this one unless I wish to ruin the game.
Overall? Stop nitpicking stuff bro. Your argument was decent, but your evidence was weak. If you're going to try and kill a townie, you should work harder. The bold part makes me think you have a power role... Actually, I don't just think so, it seems like very strong evidence for a power role. I'm curious if you actually are the medic. (PS : Don't tell us if you are) Then why in blue fuck would you actually discuss this? Just terrible. Fuck.. that was a terrible play by me. I'm retracting my scumread on mossy based on this new information. ruXxar I put that post for a reason. I might be a town role. I might be a townie using it as leverage to keep me alive. I might be Mafia using it to keep myself alive. I might be trying to deceive you. That's not the main issue here, don't let that point blind you. Look at the rest of my actions and judge based on those. It was very enlightening for me to see you defend yourself so hard. I really liked the way you defended yourself with ferocity. I also believe in occams razor. I think that usually the scenario with the least amount of crazy assumptions is most likely to be correct. If you baited me with that piece of information, then good job, but I really liked your spirit in defending yourself, and seen in light of a newbie then it makes sense that you made some ramblings while under pressure. Keeping my townread on you for now. ^.^ I was hoping that someone would pick up on it and to get a solid read based on their reaction. Glad to see you're a townie with us ruXxar. I want to hear your opinion on the whole batsnacks trap thing. It seemed like a very big jump from his normal demeanor. Like out of the blue he suddenly makes an irrational action like that. I know you said you didn't have any scumreads right now, but if you wanted to go with a gut feeling, who would you possibly want to know more about?
Actually, I think there should be more discussion in general around the batsnacks trap case.
Was I the only one that found it a strange change in behavior from him?
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On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is likely my final reads post before the daypost. This isn't a ranked list per se, all of the same colors/boldness are in the same tier I think though.
Batsnacks
Play fits previous town play exactly. I don't see any way in hell he pulls off that geript stuff as scum for multiple reasons, including but not limited to risking him looking like balls after the flip, or drawing further attention to those 'scum-mates' he would have apparently tried to save. I just don't see it.
Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)
Trfel Extremely solid play throughout the entirety of D1. Great case on Rels who we should still be lynching. Probably got caught up in geript shenanigans but maybe worth a look into.
RuxxarFor reasons previously stated. Do not agree with nooby even though it is possible it was all some sort of setup. Needs to stop talk about setup though and actually play this game properly to avoid stupid shit like what he pulled.
NoobkingAlso needs to stop talking about setup because it gets us absolutely nowhere. The most experienced of the apparent new players, but as often focused on completely irrelevant matters. When he does scumhunt it is in incredible detail and he is also pretty prominent in thread. Not as big a fan as I was earlier on in the game when I first townread him but still town.
Kickstart I think the problems here have been adequately summarized. He might be worth a vig shot or a check (cop obviously do whatever you want here) because as soon as he was universally townread he left the thread completely and more importantly everyone forgot about him for a long time. Pressure and/or removal likely necessary.
Oats I still lean townish on him because of his early play but he has fallen off immensely. This is alignment non-indicative for him though, but when he HAS been here he hasn't shown anywhere near the degree of effort shown before. I don't treat him the same as Kickstart here (who i'm leaning to the scum side on) because Kickstart started way higher and fell way further.
Damdred Just not even remotely what I'd expect from a player of his calibre. And I'm actually saying that here because he is probably the best player currently in this game. Very little effort, not amazing scumhunting. That being said he has been on the same page as me a lot this game which is a good sign, and I mostly liked his 'late night reads' post. He just needs to do more of it, especially if he's town and I get shot tonight. If he doesn't do more, he is likely coasting on his ability to try when attention is brought up and doesn't actually care what's happening in thread = scum.
Scott Some analysis, but also looking through his filter a lot of jabs and questioning that leads absolutely nowhere (feigning useful activity??) It feels as though he's attempting to figure out the game when around but liek many in the thread there's not a lot to go on. Need a lot more from him to cement things either way.
Rels Probably scum? The points brought up against him are still pretty damning though circumstantially I wonder how likely it is that we had two scum on the block D1 before the geript shenanigans. Still the scummiest of the lot aside from Sulf, so re-evaluate as necessary after Sulf lynch.
Sulfurus Lynch with fire tomorrow. I've called him out, geript called him out, he has still accomplished absolutely nothing warranting a townread. Shows up sporadically to attempt to deflect but does not actually contribute meaningfully.
Lynch target for tomorrow is Sulf. Do not stray the course ladies and gents. As far as the entirety of the team, anyone from the null list could apply here, and it's also possible I am wrong on one of my townreads, but only one. We didn't have an amazing start but we can easily recover from this. Scumhunting was really strong D1 we just have to keep it up as a whole and keep activity up.
About sulfurus:
On June 14 2015 05:10 Sulfurus wrote:
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards.
On June 14 2015 05:11 Sulfurus wrote:
Like ask me questions if you want but there's no guarantee I'll answer.
Claims he's playing very town, but these statements are incongruent with that.
Don't care for this attitude, doesn't seem like a town player wanting to win.
Then after trfel makes a case against Rel :
On June 14 2015 05:17 Sulfurus wrote:
Are you kidding me! Do you see what trfel has done he just took the lynch away from scum!bats right under our noses and pitted town vs town.
Like what incentive do I have to do anything towny if it's just going to get rels lynched.
This make sulfurus and rel look bad together.
On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game.
Earlier he pushes really hard on batsnacks, which in itself is not strange, but then he uses me as an example of the towniest players in the game, when a lot of people disagreed.
It seems like a good excuse to bandwagon on my batsnacks push.
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On June 15 2015 03:48 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2015 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
This is likely my final reads post before the daypost. This isn't a ranked list per se, all of the same colors/boldness are in the same tier I think though.
Batsnacks
Play fits previous town play exactly. I don't see any way in hell he pulls off that geript stuff as scum for multiple reasons, including but not limited to risking him looking like balls after the flip, or drawing further attention to those 'scum-mates' he would have apparently tried to save. I just don't see it.
Moosydoosy
For all of the reasons I've stated previously. Moosy's play has just been extremely consistent with a very new player overall. Yes it is POSSIBLE scum can replicate this, but not without messing up somewhere down the line and certainly not with this level of activity. (The caveat here which might have to be looked into eventually that I find kind of interesting is this 'bait' he pulled off recently. Is a Moosy who is so nooby as to not realize geript flipped town for example, able to pull off a play like that? Food for thought, but not tomorrow.)
Trfel Extremely solid play throughout the entirety of D1. Great case on Rels who we should still be lynching. Probably got caught up in geript shenanigans but maybe worth a look into.
RuxxarFor reasons previously stated. Do not agree with nooby even though it is possible it was all some sort of setup. Needs to stop talk about setup though and actually play this game properly to avoid stupid shit like what he pulled.
NoobkingAlso needs to stop talking about setup because it gets us absolutely nowhere. The most experienced of the apparent new players, but as often focused on completely irrelevant matters. When he does scumhunt it is in incredible detail and he is also pretty prominent in thread. Not as big a fan as I was earlier on in the game when I first townread him but still town.
Kickstart I think the problems here have been adequately summarized. He might be worth a vig shot or a check (cop obviously do whatever you want here) because as soon as he was universally townread he left the thread completely and more importantly everyone forgot about him for a long time. Pressure and/or removal likely necessary.
Oats I still lean townish on him because of his early play but he has fallen off immensely. This is alignment non-indicative for him though, but when he HAS been here he hasn't shown anywhere near the degree of effort shown before. I don't treat him the same as Kickstart here (who i'm leaning to the scum side on) because Kickstart started way higher and fell way further.
Damdred Just not even remotely what I'd expect from a player of his calibre. And I'm actually saying that here because he is probably the best player currently in this game. Very little effort, not amazing scumhunting. That being said he has been on the same page as me a lot this game which is a good sign, and I mostly liked his 'late night reads' post. He just needs to do more of it, especially if he's town and I get shot tonight. If he doesn't do more, he is likely coasting on his ability to try when attention is brought up and doesn't actually care what's happening in thread = scum.
Scott Some analysis, but also looking through his filter a lot of jabs and questioning that leads absolutely nowhere (feigning useful activity??) It feels as though he's attempting to figure out the game when around but liek many in the thread there's not a lot to go on. Need a lot more from him to cement things either way.
Rels Probably scum? The points brought up against him are still pretty damning though circumstantially I wonder how likely it is that we had two scum on the block D1 before the geript shenanigans. Still the scummiest of the lot aside from Sulf, so re-evaluate as necessary after Sulf lynch.
Sulfurus Lynch with fire tomorrow. I've called him out, geript called him out, he has still accomplished absolutely nothing warranting a townread. Shows up sporadically to attempt to deflect but does not actually contribute meaningfully.
Lynch target for tomorrow is Sulf. Do not stray the course ladies and gents. As far as the entirety of the team, anyone from the null list could apply here, and it's also possible I am wrong on one of my townreads, but only one. We didn't have an amazing start but we can easily recover from this. Scumhunting was really strong D1 we just have to keep it up as a whole and keep activity up. About sulfurus: Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:10 Sulfurus wrote:
Also don't feel bad if I don't answer your questions. I just don't feel like defending myself since I honestly feel my play is townie enough to speak for itself and I would rather find mafia for you guys to lynch afterwards. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:11 Sulfurus wrote:
Like ask me questions if you want but there's no guarantee I'll answer. Claims he's playing very town, but these statements are incongruent with that. Don't care for this attitude, doesn't seem like a town player wanting to win. Then after trfel makes a case against Rel : Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:17 Sulfurus wrote:
Are you kidding me! Do you see what trfel has done he just took the lynch away from scum!bats right under our noses and pitted town vs town.
Like what incentive do I have to do anything towny if it's just going to get rels lynched.
This make sulfurus and rel look bad together. Show nested quote +On June 14 2015 05:00 Sulfurus wrote:I didn't want to say anything about trfel before because his vote on Bats was protecting me but he is just straight up wrong on Rels. He makes a post here where he says rels made a bad town read on ruXxar even though (IMO) ruXx is one of the towniest players in the game. He also keeps saying that Rels is tunneled on Plant's only post and he basically dismisses the rest of his filter when in fact it's really good and shows a town who is focused on trying to solve the game. Earlier he pushes really hard on batsnacks, which in itself is not strange, but then he uses me as an example of the towniest players in the game, when a lot of people disagreed. It seems like a good excuse to bandwagon on my batsnacks push.
I can't understand a world where both bats and sulfurus are mafia together, so if sulfurus is mafia then there's no way that bats can be too.
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