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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 22 2015 11:00 GMT
#2461
You know what, go to sleep. With all your contradictions that you called nitpicking, I'm now convinced you're mafia. So stop trying to talk to me, you're not lynched today anyway. Try to convince other people tomorrow.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 22 2015 11:02 GMT
#2462
How many times do I have to explain to you how it works. If Oats is cop then wave is clearly mafia. The fact that I have given a oats scum or wave scum read is because I wasn't sure of the claim. You aren't thinking before you ask these questions.

Me trying to figure out which world is more likely (oats actually being cop or oats fakeclaiming) is not really changing my read. I may swing from one side or the other depending on whether or not I believe his claim at that point in time, but the reads come from that. I find it amazing that you find my uncertainty about the claim to be a scum thing.... like what.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 22 2015 11:04 GMT
#2463
On June 22 2015 19:47 Kickstart wrote:
And what in the fuck have I tried to convince you of.

On June 22 2015 19:49 Kickstart wrote:
Rels if you really think I'm scum with sulf+oats after how I interacted with them this game I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong and that that is ridiculous.

On June 22 2015 20:02 Kickstart wrote:
How many times do I have to explain to you how it works.

Be one with your words and stop trying. My opinion may change tomorrow, but for now you're mafia with Oats in my mind.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
June 22 2015 11:04 GMT
#2464
It makes perfect sense. Anyone giving you a 100% town read and ride or dying on it is fucking weird. Doesn't matter who the scum team is the fact that someone would do that is fucking weird.

I have not once contradicted myself. You are distorting and misrepresenting what I have said, and those who do that tend to be mafia. But like I said, you bussed your teammate and now you are trying to paint me in a bad light so you get a mislynch on me in the next cycle. Too bad you are so obvious about it.

Good night refuse to refresh the page.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 22 2015 11:05 GMT
#2465
Sure angry man. Good night.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2015 11:22 GMT
#2466
Oats:

Can you explain what you meant by this?

On June 21 2015 09:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
I went through bats' filter and ctrl+f bomb.
nothing.

On June 21 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:

So I doubt bats was a hatter snipe.

Wave is more scummy than kickstart though.

Man I actually have to go through his filter and make a case.
Life sucks.

Also he will be pushing my ass for really bad reasons.

Can I preempt his omgus?


"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2015 11:54 GMT
#2467
Nvm, I figured it out.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 22 2015 12:09 GMT
#2468
On June 22 2015 19:45 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
Scum between Oats/Trfel/Ruxxar
ezpz.
66% chance boyysssss


I want to hear wave answer both of these questions:

#1: Explain why Trfel could be mafia.
#2: Explain why I could be mafia.



I'm going to answer this question pretty simply here.

Look at what Rels and Kickstart have been doing.
Do either of those players look like scum to you fighting off a townie?
That is absolutely a town on town fight right there. I've seen a fucking thousand of them.

Now look at the people who don't give a shit that it's happening as it goes on.

Trfel/you/Oats. Although I suppose Trfel went to bed before it started? so meh.
I highly doubt Trfel sits down and makes an huge entire fucking case for Oats being scum/me being town as scum because that makes no goddamn sense to do when all he has to do is vote me. You're the one who is still asking questions and looking like you're trying to find a reason to switch one way or the other. Of the two of you? I think you're more likely scum here. That being said I've seen some dumb shit in my time---I could be wrong on Trfel and he could be pulling some long-ass play to ensure that he still looks good and can switch/ride the tide of a voteswap at the end of the day easy. Actually come to think of it the same could be said for almost anyone if they assume that this is where the votes are most likely to be at the end of the day---if Oats absolutely looks like he is going down any scummer is going to be afraid to be the vote of dissent which is going to make our job harder going forward.

The thing is, in most cases if I'm about to die I give reads on absolutely everyone I possible can so you guys have something to go on once I'm dead, but in this case that shit doesn't matter because everything ends once I die.

I'm going to do everything I can today to make sure Oats is the lynch and we have the time to sit back and figure out who the final scum is.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 22 2015 12:14 GMT
#2469
Like I literally got 3h of sleep last night but I absolutely do not want to lose this fucking game today
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 22 2015 12:41 GMT
#2470
K fuck it if no one's around right now I'm going back to sleep.
I'll be back in a few hours.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2015 13:21 GMT
#2471
Oats, I'm curious. You said you wanted to lynch wave without claiming cop.
Tell me exactly how you were planning to convince us without claiming cop?

From before you claimed:
On June 21 2015 16:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
Well the case was on probable town so whatever.

Wave, if you are so concerned then quote the post and destroy me because I'm talking shit
If not, me and everyone else will assume that I'm not talking shit and lynch your scummy ass.

Also wave, I have been playing like balls,, I'm not playing like balls now.

On June 21 2015 17:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im cop, red checked wave yesterday.
greenchecked bats n1, kickstart n2.

Damn it, thought I could talk my way outta this.

Still gotta find the last mafia.


I don't think you had ANY chance to talk us out of this.
You didn't even manage to find the geript quote you were talking about.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 22 2015 15:06 GMT
#2472
I found the geript quote and answered.

What you think isn't important. What's important is that I made a mistake clearly.

Lol don't even bother talking about tmr if you just wanna lynch me without thinking.

This game is over if I get lynched. Can you guys talk abouttthat? I have no idea what wave is coming in here and trying to do, but it's clear that he's skating by and just waiting for me to get lynched.

We have 7 hours left. Can all the townies take 1 last look at wave and me, and determine if there is any way wave. could be mafia with the way he has played?

Drop your egos and try and damn well win this game.
look at any of my previous mafia games. I do not play llike this. At all. I can't find them for you, sorry but please don't rest because if you do, there is no tomorrow.

Me being cop just makes so much sense.
If you guys switch, interesting stuff will happen. Scum will get very worried.

Trust me.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 22 2015 15:10 GMT
#2473
I guarantee you guys won't feel super stupid you fell for a fakeclaim if you lynch wave.

Wave is coasting like shit right now, he isn't even trying to find the second mafia.

Rux, the posts preceeding the nightkill didn't imply an overwhelming need to lynch me today so I thought I could get out of it.
How many times do you want me to answer the same question lol.

No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 22 2015 15:11 GMT
#2474
Wave is literally the only one who should be looking for the next lynch if he's town, but he's not. He's saying that you guys should secure my lynch first because there is no tmr so he can't be arsed.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 22 2015 15:12 GMT
#2475
There are so many reasons why wave is mafia today, the most important day of the game.
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 22 2015 15:14 GMT
#2476
Im going to sleep in like an hour and I won't be back so you guys gotta get in here now.
No gg, No skill.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
June 22 2015 15:19 GMT
#2477
Yo. Sorry if you're town Oats but my mind is sealed on your case. This post was enough for me actually, the rest was just additionnal things:
On June 22 2015 15:27 Trfel wrote:
Wow.

Normally cop claims make the game easier, you just lynch the red check and if it's wrong, lynch the claimed cop. But at MYLO or LYLO, that doesn't work.

Before the cop claim, I was scumreading Oatsmaster fairly strongly, and I was pretty convinced that WaveofShadow was town.

Setup Analysis
+ Show Spoiler +
We know for a fact that town had a Doctor and a Mad Hatter. Doctor is a very strong power role, and Mad Hatter seems to be of about medium strength (about the same as a vigilante). We don't really know what roles mafia has.

However, most (13 player normal) mafia games are two moderately strong town power roles versus one strong mafia role and one weak mafia role. One example of this is the setup normally used in minis, accepted as a very standard setup.

The newbie setup is as follows:
This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen:

A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon
Cop is a strong role, Doctor is a strong role, Vigilante is a moderately strong role, and Veteran is a bit weaker. The setup is at most two strong roles versus one and a half scum roles (Godfather is weaker).

Here are a list of the roles in the 13 player normal games with the last post in the past three months (bumps excluded, also note that all setups are 10 town versus 3 mafia):
  • Holy Guardians Chapter 1: 1 random blue versus 1 Godfather and 1 Weak Roleblocker (can't roleblock same person twice in a row)
  • I Still Can't Believe It's Not Themed Mafia: Town Tracker and Jailkeeper versus mafia Framer
  • Generic Boring Mini Mafia:Town Veteran and Innocent Child versus mafia Vigilante and Roleblocker
  • Newbie Student Mafia IX: Town Doctor and Vigilante versus mafia Roleblocker and Godfather
  • Game of Thrones Mini Mafia: Town Watcher and Vigilante versus mafia Roleblocker and Godfather
  • Newbie Student Mafia VIII: Town Vigilante and Veteran versus mafia Roleblocker and Godfather
  • Mafia Mini Mafia 2: Town Vigilante and Jailkeeper versus mafia Roleblocker and Vigilante
  • Newbie Student Mafia VII]Newbie Student Mafia VII: Town Veteran and Vigilante versus mafia Godfather and Roleblocker
  • XXX Mini Mafia: A Night of Debauchery: Town Roleblocker and Cop (and unaware miller) versus mafia Framer and Godfather
I believe it's pretty clear. Not counting the unaware miller as a power role, every 13 player normal game in the past three months had a maximum of two town power roles.

In contrast, two of the listed games (I Still Cant Believe It's Not Themed Mafia and Game of Thrones Mini Mafia) had a mafia role with no purpose. Framer in the first game, Godfather in the second.

It feels like having a Cop in addition to a Doctor and Mad Hatter is very unlikely.

But you know what. For the sake of it I'll check if what he's saying in this post is true.
If it is then I won't move my vote. If he lied then I'll vote WOS + Trfel with you.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2015 15:21 GMT
#2478
Alright oats. Real talk here.

What made you so sure wave was mafia *before* you checked him?
Why did you not check me, who you multiple times wanted to lynch, while you never expressed any desire to lynch wave before today.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
June 22 2015 15:26 GMT
#2479
The setup analysis from trfel was also the final point for me.
Unless that is proven wrong, there Is almost no chance I'll be changing my vote.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
June 22 2015 15:27 GMT
#2480
I'm gonna say this again but I think it's really important. Why do I bother fakeclaiming pretty damn badly instead of just posting seals???

Also, remember all the claims you have seen while playing. How many of them were bad and mafia? How many of them were bad and town?

I'm telling you that I have never seen a really really bad mafia fakeclaim, the only thing that gets close is bunnies vet claim in the most recent ver game but in that the claim was good enough for her to survive like 3 extra days.
No gg, No skill.
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