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Rels
France13467 Posts
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
Me trying to figure out which world is more likely (oats actually being cop or oats fakeclaiming) is not really changing my read. I may swing from one side or the other depending on whether or not I believe his claim at that point in time, but the reads come from that. I find it amazing that you find my uncertainty about the claim to be a scum thing.... like what. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 22 2015 19:47 Kickstart wrote: And what in the fuck have I tried to convince you of. On June 22 2015 19:49 Kickstart wrote: Rels if you really think I'm scum with sulf+oats after how I interacted with them this game I don't know what to tell you other than you are wrong and that that is ridiculous. On June 22 2015 20:02 Kickstart wrote: How many times do I have to explain to you how it works. Be one with your words and stop trying. My opinion may change tomorrow, but for now you're mafia with Oats in my mind. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
I have not once contradicted myself. You are distorting and misrepresenting what I have said, and those who do that tend to be mafia. But like I said, you bussed your teammate and now you are trying to paint me in a bad light so you get a mislynch on me in the next cycle. Too bad you are so obvious about it. Good night refuse to refresh the page. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
Can you explain what you meant by this? On June 21 2015 09:20 Oatsmaster wrote: I went through bats' filter and ctrl+f bomb. nothing. On June 21 2015 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote: So I doubt bats was a hatter snipe. Wave is more scummy than kickstart though. Man I actually have to go through his filter and make a case. Life sucks. Also he will be pushing my ass for really bad reasons. Can I preempt his omgus? | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On June 22 2015 19:45 ruXxar wrote: I want to hear wave answer both of these questions: #1: Explain why Trfel could be mafia. #2: Explain why I could be mafia. I'm going to answer this question pretty simply here. Look at what Rels and Kickstart have been doing. Do either of those players look like scum to you fighting off a townie? That is absolutely a town on town fight right there. I've seen a fucking thousand of them. Now look at the people who don't give a shit that it's happening as it goes on. Trfel/you/Oats. Although I suppose Trfel went to bed before it started? so meh. I highly doubt Trfel sits down and makes an huge entire fucking case for Oats being scum/me being town as scum because that makes no goddamn sense to do when all he has to do is vote me. You're the one who is still asking questions and looking like you're trying to find a reason to switch one way or the other. Of the two of you? I think you're more likely scum here. That being said I've seen some dumb shit in my time---I could be wrong on Trfel and he could be pulling some long-ass play to ensure that he still looks good and can switch/ride the tide of a voteswap at the end of the day easy. Actually come to think of it the same could be said for almost anyone if they assume that this is where the votes are most likely to be at the end of the day---if Oats absolutely looks like he is going down any scummer is going to be afraid to be the vote of dissent which is going to make our job harder going forward. The thing is, in most cases if I'm about to die I give reads on absolutely everyone I possible can so you guys have something to go on once I'm dead, but in this case that shit doesn't matter because everything ends once I die. I'm going to do everything I can today to make sure Oats is the lynch and we have the time to sit back and figure out who the final scum is. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I'll be back in a few hours. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
Tell me exactly how you were planning to convince us without claiming cop? From before you claimed: On June 21 2015 16:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Well the case was on probable town so whatever. Wave, if you are so concerned then quote the post and destroy me because I'm talking shit If not, me and everyone else will assume that I'm not talking shit and lynch your scummy ass. Also wave, I have been playing like balls,, I'm not playing like balls now. On June 21 2015 17:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Im cop, red checked wave yesterday. greenchecked bats n1, kickstart n2. Damn it, thought I could talk my way outta this. Still gotta find the last mafia. I don't think you had ANY chance to talk us out of this. You didn't even manage to find the geript quote you were talking about. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
What you think isn't important. What's important is that I made a mistake clearly. Lol don't even bother talking about tmr if you just wanna lynch me without thinking. This game is over if I get lynched. Can you guys talk abouttthat? I have no idea what wave is coming in here and trying to do, but it's clear that he's skating by and just waiting for me to get lynched. We have 7 hours left. Can all the townies take 1 last look at wave and me, and determine if there is any way wave. could be mafia with the way he has played? Drop your egos and try and damn well win this game. look at any of my previous mafia games. I do not play llike this. At all. I can't find them for you, sorry but please don't rest because if you do, there is no tomorrow. Me being cop just makes so much sense. If you guys switch, interesting stuff will happen. Scum will get very worried. Trust me. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Wave is coasting like shit right now, he isn't even trying to find the second mafia. Rux, the posts preceeding the nightkill didn't imply an overwhelming need to lynch me today so I thought I could get out of it. How many times do you want me to answer the same question lol. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On June 22 2015 15:27 Trfel wrote: Wow. Normally cop claims make the game easier, you just lynch the red check and if it's wrong, lynch the claimed cop. But at MYLO or LYLO, that doesn't work. Before the cop claim, I was scumreading Oatsmaster fairly strongly, and I was pretty convinced that WaveofShadow was town. Setup Analysis + Show Spoiler + We know for a fact that town had a Doctor and a Mad Hatter. Doctor is a very strong power role, and Mad Hatter seems to be of about medium strength (about the same as a vigilante). We don't really know what roles mafia has. However, most (13 player normal) mafia games are two moderately strong town power roles versus one strong mafia role and one weak mafia role. One example of this is the setup normally used in minis, accepted as a very standard setup. The newbie setup is as follows: This game uses a variable open setup. When the game begins, one of the following setups will be chosen: Cop is a strong role, Doctor is a strong role, Vigilante is a moderately strong role, and Veteran is a bit weaker. The setup is at most two strong roles versus one and a half scum roles (Godfather is weaker).A) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon B) 1 Town Cop, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon C) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Doctor, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon D) 1 Town Vigilante, 1 Town Veteran, 8 Vanilla Townies, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Mafia Godfather, 1 Mafia Goon Here are a list of the roles in the 13 player normal games with the last post in the past three months (bumps excluded, also note that all setups are 10 town versus 3 mafia):
In contrast, two of the listed games (I Still Cant Believe It's Not Themed Mafia and Game of Thrones Mini Mafia) had a mafia role with no purpose. Framer in the first game, Godfather in the second. It feels like having a Cop in addition to a Doctor and Mad Hatter is very unlikely. But you know what. For the sake of it I'll check if what he's saying in this post is true. If it is then I won't move my vote. If he lied then I'll vote WOS + Trfel with you. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
What made you so sure wave was mafia *before* you checked him? Why did you not check me, who you multiple times wanted to lynch, while you never expressed any desire to lynch wave before today. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
Unless that is proven wrong, there Is almost no chance I'll be changing my vote. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also, remember all the claims you have seen while playing. How many of them were bad and mafia? How many of them were bad and town? I'm telling you that I have never seen a really really bad mafia fakeclaim, the only thing that gets close is bunnies vet claim in the most recent ver game but in that the claim was good enough for her to survive like 3 extra days. | ||
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