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On June 05 2015 08:50 Mig wrote: Been awhile since I have played, is Marv still good? Anyone else known as a good townie that's playing? Yamamato still incredibly hard headed? I have the best winrate of all active players because I get carried Or maybe I don't anymore I haven't looked | ||
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On June 05 2015 13:41 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 13:40 Fecalfeast wrote: chez the chezinu rule is the first one to vote you is mafia right? Sorry, to disappoint you so earlier in the game. I know you must be shocked. It's ok. i forgive you | ||
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##vote fecalfeast op says i can | ||
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On June 05 2015 15:59 Mig wrote: Fecalfeast, do you have any thoughts so far? Every post has been useless. Especially this There is about 3 pages of content, you dont even have anything else to read. not so far nope | ||
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The case on mig is meta from like 100 years ago -sucks prplhz calling chez mafia for 'making excuses' even though he was directly asked why he was talking differently -sucks VA talking about mafia QT in 50% of his posts this game -sucks boxerfred's opener reads like he has a fake smile the entire time and he insults someone's filter less than 12 hours into the game -sucks Everything sucks | ||
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On June 06 2015 04:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote: ok. ##Unvote ##Vote Fecalfeast lol | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:05 Alakaslam wrote: You like, you aren't even here How dare you have lives? Like, responsibilities & stuff? You don't need SLEEP MAN!!!! You mean other people aren't at a computer 80% of their waking day? weird | ||
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On June 06 2015 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Lock. Jail. Jailkeeper. Wait you're not joking? come on man why would you claim now? | ||
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On June 06 2015 07:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:57 prplhz wrote: @Artanis[Xp] If it was so obvious that "lock" means jailkeeper, then why didn't marvellosity figure that out? He's sort of a smart fellow isn't he? Because he didn't know my alignment and it was already weird to him. For someone who does know alignments the options are much more limited. So marv is 100% town or are you just covering your ass? | ||
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On June 06 2015 07:00 Chezinu wrote: hey guys he guys! You know what marvellosity and fecalfeast have in common? we share a scum qt? I bet it's that one | ||
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On June 06 2015 08:09 NaCl`y wrote: @FecalFeast Since you are around and are a point of contention. Can you weigh in on these claims? Also, why is it that you complain about the state of the game earlier but then make no attempt to change that whatsoever? I think I agree with JAT that artanis' claim is only worth it if mafia thinks they've been found out. As town idk why he would claim there and believed it was a joke so completely that I counterclaimed him to join in on the fun. I think you claim is ass all around. I complain while making no effort because that's what my brain tells my fingers to do. | ||
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On June 06 2015 08:10 yamato77 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:35 boxerfred wrote: On June 06 2015 04:51 yamato77 wrote: fecal is right tho, game is pretty boring until BF does something that looks even remotely townie, I'm content sitting on the idea of lynching him, you lazy fucks can do the scumhunting this game, I'm uninspired. nah bro Imma be content with sitting here and reading and spreading the love like, this is what this dude has to say about everything that's happened in the game so far and you idiots are lynching into claims in a closed setup fucking LOL Wow I skimmed right over that. Boxerfries are you lurking right now? | ||
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I am quite content to sit back by the way, don't worry. | ||
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On June 06 2015 08:17 NaCl`y wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 08:14 NaCl`y wrote: On June 06 2015 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 06 2015 08:09 NaCl`y wrote: @FecalFeast Since you are around and are a point of contention. Can you weigh in on these claims? Also, why is it that you complain about the state of the game earlier but then make no attempt to change that whatsoever? I think I agree with JAT that artanis' claim is only worth it if mafia thinks they've been found out. As town idk why he would claim there and believed it was a joke so completely that I counterclaimed him to join in on the fun. I think you claim is ass all around. I complain while making no effort because that's what my brain tells my fingers to do. So why is my claim "ass" if it has given us a mafia? Since you weren't voting or implied no intention to vote for Artanis[Xp] it seemed like you were quite content to sit back and let him lie on his claim while putting in no effort to weigh in on it until asked. If I am to read this post correctly. Show nested quote + On May 26 2015 12:01 VayneAuthority wrote: oh fuba is mkfuba...probably town then. compare his early filter here to his early filters in these games. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/439654-a-quiet-game-of-mini-mafia?user=mkfuba07 - town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432880-white-flag-mafia?user=mkfuba07 - mafia both super short filters to illustrate a point, his tone and focus is quite different. As town he'll tend to get right into it and back posts without needing prompting, while as mafia he just responds to people directly and has a slightly different tone/way of typing. you could look at more games if you want but i think these are sufficient. It seems that if you need prompting to discuss situations that are so prevalent it means you are mafia. That looks increasingly like what you are doing this game. then hop on my wagon bro, got seat right next to me here | ||
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Let's talk about other stuff or figure out a way to confirm them via night actions or something. | ||
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On June 06 2015 09:03 Chezinu wrote: I'm not the bank this game... Why is no one harassing fecalfeast? keep trying, I see you | ||
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On June 06 2015 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote: i think mig is still a good lynch tbh, all this confirmed is that the guy is town and giving a genuine opinion on mig. what does 'this' refer to in your post? The whole claim business? | ||
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Slam: townish. Looking at games where he has rolled town in the database, he is exhibiting a similar attitude of fun but inquisitive. His activity is high but honestly I didn't look at his scum games mig: nullscumish. Maybe I'm reading too much into some of his posts but they seem a bit flustered. He's been poking at the idea of scumming on me for a bit but hasn't put any substance behind it, only continuing to comment and ask minor questions. I don't know if this is alignment indicative for him but to me he feels like he's trying to keep his options wide open. I will have to do a read of his filter soon. Chez: scumish. He's been here long enough to tell people to scum me and then nothing. I didn't bother to look up meta he is acting anti-town. prplhz: town. Too much thinking and talking and interacting from what I've seen of prpl's scum games. I have no idea what this prpl/jat interaction is one sec I will read it | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Okay I'm here. Is there a case on Fecal other than him being absolutely useless? no just the useless thing | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:32 prplhz wrote: just gonna sheep marv when he comes back. he could be town and then he's probably right. i can't deal with all this. shoutout to nacl for at least making an honest attempt at not being an asshole. read mig's filter please tell me what you think | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:33 NaCl`y wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 05:32 prplhz wrote: just gonna sheep marv when he comes back. he could be town and then he's probably right. i can't deal with all this. shoutout to nacl for at least making an honest attempt at not being an asshole. Have you not read my big post that I made when I uncounterclaimed? I like your points against yamato fwiw but why are you voting him over marv or boxer? | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:34 Mig wrote: I actually think artanis has been utterly worthless, and way way worse than noir mafia. I have no reason to think hes town but I dont think people are going to lynch him after his claim that is uncountered. Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. So we planned it now? | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:37 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 05:33 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 07 2015 05:32 prplhz wrote: just gonna sheep marv when he comes back. he could be town and then he's probably right. i can't deal with all this. shoutout to nacl for at least making an honest attempt at not being an asshole. read mig's filter please tell me what you think eh i'm not gonna read his filter right now. this lynch on you is tantamount to a lurker lynch. and why you and not other people who have been lurking, like fuba or slam? i don't know i didn't read heavily into it. He's not been here for a while and doesn't realize that town FF is almost unlynchable | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:37 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 07 2015 05:34 Mig wrote: I actually think artanis has been utterly worthless, and way way worse than noir mafia. I have no reason to think hes town but I dont think people are going to lynch him after his claim that is uncountered. Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. So we planned it now? Come on man... How is this not a blatant contradiction? He still thinks artanis fakeclaimed and yet is now going after someone he said couldn't be mafia with artanis. I'm not saying associative reads are good I'm pointing out that he didn't even think before throwing scum on me. | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 05:40 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 07 2015 05:37 justanothertownie wrote: On June 07 2015 05:35 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 07 2015 05:34 Mig wrote: I actually think artanis has been utterly worthless, and way way worse than noir mafia. I have no reason to think hes town but I dont think people are going to lynch him after his claim that is uncountered. Prplhz I am more than willing to discuss jta if you want to lynch him. If you dont then you are wasting what little time we have. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. So we planned it now? Come on man... How is this not a blatant contradiction? He still thinks artanis fakeclaimed and yet is now going after someone he said couldn't be mafia with artanis. I'm not saying associative reads are good I'm pointing out that he didn't even think before throwing scum on me. He said that ages ago. Are you claiming to remember details like that all the time while evaluating if individual players are scummy? Please FF... Fervently defending him I see. I'm saying that, to me, it looks like he decided to throw scum on someone and picked a random lurker. You are correct, though. I remember every single detail of everything I've ever read or written. | ||
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On June 07 2015 05:46 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 05:42 VayneAuthority wrote: On June 07 2015 05:41 Mig wrote: I have no reason to believe vayne or chez are town either it doesnt mean they are necessarily mafia. Either you or artanis could be mafia, I stand by that both of you very likely are not. If you are town ask yourself this, why have I spent the last 3 hours phone posting when the thread was dead? If I were mafia I did it just for shits and giggles? its only town cred if you dont give it to yourself Fine then I am giving it to him. The fact that he is here and trying to find a lynch makes him a worse lynch than half of this game. this I will agree with. Where is the nearest votecount? I will search | ||
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##unvote ##vote yamato77 I'm not scumreading myself anymore anyway | ||
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On June 07 2015 06:29 boxerfred wrote: so concluding, my reads: town: JAT, NaCL scum: yamato null with scum tendency: artanis, fuba, marv rest is null. gonna look into that JAT vs. prplhz discussion next, maybe I'll find something. have you mentioned why you think marv could be scum? | ||
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On June 07 2015 06:41 NaCl`y wrote: I would appreciate some vote counts. | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:14 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 07:10 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm still here, always down for shenanigans Onto which player? boxerfred comes to mind | ||
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I had a perusal of BF's last game where he was scum, he follows thread direction like a puppy in that game. Though in that game he spent a lot of time defending himself day 1. IDK, I was in the middle of reading his last game and his filter when nacl came in saying bf parroted him | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:25 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 07:23 Fecalfeast wrote: salt boy makes a good point that BF came into thread and basically re-stated what salt said. I had a perusal of BF's last game where he was scum, he follows thread direction like a puppy in that game. Though in that game he spent a lot of time defending himself day 1. IDK, I was in the middle of reading his last game and his filter when nacl came in saying bf parroted him Well, he has been following thread sentiment here too. But we have no town baseline to compare this to so... :/ Yeah that's true. | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:25 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 07:22 justanothertownie wrote: Marv, can you at least evaluate a yamato lynch please? without reading anything into it, i didn't feel very strongly in the end about what he'd written so far, and i definitely think it's possible he'd be afk at this stage as town (if more likely as mafia) i know i normally love a good omgus but i'm not 100% sure mafia yamato chooses to antagonise me in the spot he did. he can die but meh. been panic filtering but i have no idea fuba has so few posts and i don't know if i like what he wrote, or dislike it - what i don't like is how he said he expected me to remove his vote on him simply on the basis he started posting. ehhhhh FF I have this terrible "he's being totally shit right now so he's town" read. VA I have no idea, but I'd bet town on the basis he's said nothing useful maybe Chez could be mafia? but i don't know how to tell you why (and the reasons wouldn't be good). Maybe for the way he's going after FF, could be a bit off... :/ that is terrible. reeks of tmi to me | ||
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On June 07 2015 07:30 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 07:29 marvellosity wrote: you have a couple of mafia games recently where you look like you are "trying" from the outset, points and reads and shit. you tend to do that less as town. Sad but could be true. mafia is like 100x more fun than town imo. I love making up bullshit | ||
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I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense that mafia just bused him or if there was no counterwagon because there was nobody around to see the wagon | ||
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On June 07 2015 08:18 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 08:10 NaCl`y wrote: I noticed in boxerfred's mafia game that he likes to bus team mates by the way so he's totally not off the chopping block either. A lot of effort in his post to say basically the same thing as me. :D I thought exactly this. Hard to argue against that. You're starting a tunnel on me though, I'm town. I'm okay with a mislynch though this time, I'm not a blue role. If you are town you basically just offered yourself to mafia as a mislynch candidate. "Hey scum I probably wont fight a mislynch pushed on me, also I'm not blue so don't shoot me" | ||
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On June 07 2015 08:21 NaCl`y wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 08:18 Fecalfeast wrote: could be so simple as slam/chez both afk for the wagon? I'm trying to figure out if it makes more sense that mafia just bused him or if there was no counterwagon because there was nobody around to see the wagon The only elaborated read that you had for a town player was Alakaslam. Can you justify why this is now the opposite and give me the reasons you ignored everything you wrote and just sheeped? What changed your mind? Nothing changed my mind I was just looking at vote counts | ||
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On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote: Yay! Also, what does spew mean? saying someone is town for no good reason, implying TMI | ||
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On June 07 2015 13:07 Chezinu wrote: Fecalfeast and Mig next? Do you have anything going on in your head or are you just a broken record? | ||
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On June 08 2015 02:35 prplhz wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote: On June 08 2015 01:26 NaCl`y wrote: On June 07 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote: I don't care if I repeated or not, it's what I think ^^ it could be chez, but it could be several ppl really. Who are these other people you speak of? I think these people are town: 1.marvellosity 2.justanothertownie 3. NaCl`y 4.prplhz 7. Alakaslam 13. Artanis[Xp] slam is kinda squeezy in betweeny, but i'd still be surprised if he were mafia. so anyone not in that list basically why is slam in this list Do you have the opposite read? | ||
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On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote: what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. What do you mean by buying bus tickets? | ||
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June 08 2015 18:47 GMT
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June 08 2015 19:16 GMT
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chezinu is zzzzzzzzz come on defense thineself Boxersteve is looking more frustrated with the pressure than he is looking scummy to me. Also, one of his first posts is a case on yamato. That being said, his reaction to the marv pressure was a little over the top fuba's filter is disappointing. You see these meaty posts at the top and then he kinda just dies off. This post right before lynch time: On June 07 2015 05:48 fuba wrote: Got about 15 minutes left for lunch. Read boxerfred's response to me. I guess I can see it from his POV. If he's truly a new player who's been busy with kids, I can see him just kinda letting D1 happen and stepping back in D2. Bothers me that he said he was gonna catch up on the last few pages, but has yet to comment on anything, really, that doesn't directly involve him. If no one else is going for him, I guess I'll switch? But that leaves me with few choices, really. I agree with JAT's not-lynch list (and I add JAT to it, as well). Yamato is probably the one I see the most actual scum potential in, though it's mostly because I'm not entirely sure how to read FF or even VA all that well. Chezinu I have no idea whatsoever how to read, and the same almost goes for slam. It's mostly a POE vote, coupled with the fact that I just kinda expect more out of him as town. ##Vote yamato77 This looks like he was really grasping for reasons to vote yamato. First he overexplains his unvote of boxer, then tries to pass off sheeping JAT's list, then saying he can't read VA, Slam, Chez or me, as POE. With an hour before deadline this post looks very very forced to me. + Show Spoiler [crackpot theory] + On June 07 2015 10:24 fuba wrote: Yay! Also, what does spew mean? This post has more strategic merit to it if fuba is scum. Seeing people ask if yamato spewed anyone and not knowing what it is to stop himself from doing it would be bad. VA is coming off as town to me and I don't really know why. I've only really seen him AFK and this game his random posts have been focused. The focus reminds me of when he decided to town-side as 3p survivor in brazil carnival. prplhz never posts this much as mafia and every time I have made this read about him I have been correct. He has 4 pages of filter and it's only day 2. + Show Spoiler [evidence] + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/483492-newbie-student-mafia-ix?user=prplhz lynched day 2, 2 page filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=prplhz lynched day 4, barely makes 7 pages http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?user=prplhz survived night 5, 3 pages not including postgame Marv is acting really antagonistic and silly. I honestly don't have any experience with scum marv other than that time I was on a team with him and he got lynched day 1. I guess he's towny this game since he's not dead? best read 2015 couple questions for people: VA On June 08 2015 05:27 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm probably going to die tonight so let me post my case on chezinu. He is mafia because we were playing duck duck mafia and when I patted his head I yelled out mafia and then i ran around in a circle and got back to my spot first he couldn't catch me Why did you think you were going to die last night? fuba if you think the light busing right away is silly, yet you're using it as a reason to TR him, is it not serving its purpose? This question is stupid, I know. I'm just trying to say that reading someone town because the 'plays' they make don't make sense as mafia is stupid. boxerfrank if you think marv is unfairly twisting your words, why are you content to look elsewhere? Willfully misrepresenting someone is a scum trait and you could easily make a case on marv if you compiled all the ways in which he misrepresented your argument. | ||
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June 08 2015 19:16 GMT
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June 09 2015 07:35 GMT
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On June 09 2015 16:11 prplhz wrote: probably not gonna read assassination/aperture. jta is interesting to me because he hasn't done much today even though showing on d1 that he wanted to lead town. then everybody town read him and poof. would you lynch jta over chez today if you could have it your way? i tend to agree with this | ||
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June 09 2015 18:50 GMT
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Why would a cop even bother to say "there may be millers" if he's not going to defend himself before lynch? If you have a red check, 'reminding' people of a miller serves to only create wiggle room for scum!marv if he was actually redchecked. Just doesn't make sense to me | ||
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June 09 2015 19:23 GMT
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On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote: Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping: In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?" | ||
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June 09 2015 19:27 GMT
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On June 10 2015 04:25 fuba wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 04:23 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote: Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping: In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. I honestly haven't read closely enough to check, has anyone called this post out? If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your posts with "reasoning?" What exactly do you mean when you put quotations around "reasoning?" Because it's not the reason for my read. I assume you answered my last question as that's the only one that remotely makes sense. If you're town, why do you feel the need to fluff up your post? Why are you concerned with how your read is perceived, to the point where you will pull reasoning out of your ass? | ||
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June 09 2015 19:32 GMT
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June 09 2015 19:54 GMT
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On June 10 2015 04:36 fuba wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 04:32 Fecalfeast wrote: I guess, to me, it's scummy to make up reasoning. Regardless of whether you're trying to avoid lynch or not. It's not exactly that I make it up, as much as I try to build up reasoning I feel others may agree with to go on top of my own read. Which, when I put it like that, sounds a lot like how I imagine scum build their cases. So you see my concern. | ||
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June 09 2015 20:53 GMT
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June 09 2015 22:20 GMT
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June 09 2015 22:27 GMT
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June 09 2015 22:40 GMT
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On June 10 2015 07:36 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 13:35 Chezinu wrote: On June 05 2015 13:33 Alakaslam wrote: On June 05 2015 13:26 Chezinu wrote: ##vote: Mig He is red. Look at that name. Hijole brodda Wassap Hey, I'm town this round. what a clever breadcrumb.... /s | ||
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June 09 2015 22:43 GMT
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On June 10 2015 07:41 Chezinu wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 07:40 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 10 2015 07:36 Chezinu wrote: On June 05 2015 13:35 Chezinu wrote: On June 05 2015 13:33 Alakaslam wrote: On June 05 2015 13:26 Chezinu wrote: ##vote: Mig He is red. Look at that name. Hijole brodda Wassap Hey, I'm town this round. what a clever breadcrumb.... /s I bet you can't find one game when I was mafia where I claimed town. Seriously, I doubt it. Ok but let's just say I was looking for a cop claim not a town claim | ||
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June 09 2015 22:52 GMT
#1461
##vote marvellosity I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. | ||
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June 09 2015 22:55 GMT
#1471
On June 10 2015 07:54 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. That worked wonderfully in Carol, didn't it? I've not done a real analysis but I am pretty sure my shenanigans hit more than they miss | ||
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June 09 2015 22:56 GMT
#1474
On June 10 2015 07:55 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 07:55 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 10 2015 07:54 Half the Sky wrote: On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. That worked wonderfully in Carol, didn't it? I've not done a real analysis but I am pretty sure my shenanigans hit more than they miss so tell me, why am i mafia? On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. | ||
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June 09 2015 23:04 GMT
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June 09 2015 23:08 GMT
#1504
On June 10 2015 08:08 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 07:59 Chezinu wrote: On June 10 2015 07:58 justanothertownie wrote: On June 10 2015 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 10 2015 07:55 marvellosity wrote: On June 10 2015 07:55 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 10 2015 07:54 Half the Sky wrote: On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. That worked wonderfully in Carol, didn't it? I've not done a real analysis but I am pretty sure my shenanigans hit more than they miss so tell me, why am i mafia? On June 10 2015 07:52 Fecalfeast wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity I personally don't care for 'reasons' I'm a shenanigan man through and through. Shenanigans are no reasons. Shenanigans should only happen when reasons exist. faith>logic? works for me every games. FF be the hatin me all the game. He used to like me in the other games.. he was a brownie... there might be some validity to this will think about it tomorrow Lining up those mislynches | ||
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June 09 2015 23:10 GMT
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June 09 2015 23:14 GMT
#1513
On June 10 2015 08:11 justanothertownie wrote: Or the fact that you are doing being a useless sack of lurk on top of all that? Yeah that makes sense since I'm the only one lurking. | ||
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June 10 2015 05:21 GMT
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June 10 2015 06:05 GMT
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fuba On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. First paragraph: Gives a read on both claimers (saltine and artanis) but defers both reads to what others have said. Lightly throws scum on someone for changing their mind by saying the change makes him "..uncomfortable" Bonus: describes himself when scumming boxerfred On June 06 2015 23:26 fuba wrote: [snip] Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 16:35 prplhz wrote: like, fuba coming in here with nothing but an inconsistent artanis read and a scum read on the new guy who talks funny is seriously underwhelming I really have trouble understanding how my D1 returns to the thread are consistently underwhelming, when they're almost always the same kinds of posts. Literally 100% of my town games involve returning to the thread to have at least one person declare my entire post scummy, without actually addressing anything that I've said. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 19:19 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded. Case in point. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 20:05 boxerfred wrote: On June 06 2015 19:19 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded. well I said "I tend to no-lynch" not that I would do it straight away. Fuba why so hard on me when I push yamato the slightiest? Also ignoring what I said, and simply suggesting that the entire thing is a defense of yamato. brb shower Does any of this make JAT scum? What alignment were the people who did this to you in other town games? You're just appealing to emotion here with no conclusion based on the behaviour you're complainig about. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 00:04 fuba wrote: Also a little strange that JAT didn't incredibly hate the part of my post where I said I believe artanis's claim, given that he thinks the claim to be the most obviously false thing in the game. On June 10 2015 01:00 fuba wrote: This cuz you think I rolled scum, and you know I hate rolling scum? guilty conscience fight me that's a thing On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote: Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping: In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. talked about this already but it still reads scummy to me. On June 10 2015 03:49 fuba wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 03:45 Mig wrote: On June 09 2015 17:29 Mig wrote: Chezy I don't think you actually think I am mafia. Your hatter claim is obviously bs, that role is too fun for you, 0 chance you forget about the game as a hatter. The only reason you are claiming I am mafia is because you are claiming that I am mafia team mates with marv and now am trying to save him. Really don't think you believe that. I guess that probably means you are mafia and now just spamming stuff you don't believe to distract the thread and cause chaos. This point is still accurate, chez wouldn't "forget" about a game he was a dt in. He's clearly just fucking around at this point. ##Vote Chezzy Bleh, that's a good point too. I'm just gonna give in on this one. How do you know this is a good point if you didn't even know about the mafia database to check chez's previous games? Maybe chez plays a really lurky blue game and scum!mig is trying to get him out of the way. Following thread sentiment Nazzle's points on fuba On June 10 2015 08:13 NaCl`y wrote: Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote: To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba. Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 03:33 NaCl`y wrote: On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote: To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba. To justify my reasoning. He has seemingly hard defended (not particularly hard but still hard nonetheless) the people that people are most suspicious of at times when it was unwarranted (Boxerfred in general, Chezinu now, VayneAuthority about how there's not much to call him mafia for). Show nested quote + On June 10 2015 03:43 NaCl`y wrote: On June 10 2015 03:38 Half the Sky wrote: On June 10 2015 03:33 NaCl`y wrote: On June 10 2015 03:31 NaCl`y wrote: To sum up this discussion. If Chezinu flips any variant of a town role we should lynch Fuba. To justify my reasoning. He has seemingly hard defended (not particularly hard but still hard nonetheless) the people that people are most suspicious of at times when it was unwarranted (Boxerfred in general, Chezinu now, VayneAuthority about how there's not much to call him mafia for). I thought he rescinded the point on VA or said it was in reference to someone else talking about VA? But still, this goes back to the point I made on his initial read on Artanis though I wouldn't call it a hard defence. Weighing in on the JK claim was warranted but not taking into account the gameplay on which it stands. Well it doesn't matter what he did in regards to VA since all of his original thought posts are there to defend someone from something or another. His boxerfred stance was simply "I don't think he'd do this as mafia" and when I point to his filter in his other game that would say otherwise he exclaims that he has not read it but still maintains his point is correct. His stance on Chezinu now is still strange given that I've just shown his actions around the Artanis[Xp] and my jailkeeper claims and he still maintains he could be a cop. I would write a proper case but unfortunately I am away till Thursday night. So this will have to do. Hopefully somebody will look into him and agree. yes | ||
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June 10 2015 06:08 GMT
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June 10 2015 06:09 GMT
#1525
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June 10 2015 07:56 GMT
#1531
1 FF, the two quotes he said to you, the one is above, but the second from what I recall indicated he wanted to post something that would be acceptable to others - to me this sounds like blending in or not wanting to be confrontational. Did anyone else get that impression? Yes I agree with you. Although I'm skeptical of other's interpretation of meta, what concerns me more is a similar issue with Chez, how he drops the push on Fecalfeast prior. Except his push on FF was stronger and then he dropped that in favour of JAT/Chez. He pushed Fecalfeast all of Day 1 pretty relentlessly, listed some bulletpoints and I'm not sure where that went for Day 2. Nor can I tell from his filter what changed in his opinion. The drop like with Chez I viewed as scummy. I was actually just looking at mig's filter and about to point out the same thing. He doesn't seem to mind that nobody else talked about me when he seemed to have the biggest scum read on me, listing me as his top lynch over yamato. Everyone agreed that mafia probably bused yamato and mig's post here On June 07 2015 06:18 Mig wrote: If Fancyfeast isnt lynched yam would be my #2. I dont think town yam just gives up and lets himself get lynched like this normally. Hard for him to pass up opportunities to argue with people when he thinks hes right. sounds like a lazy way to hop on the wagon. Not only that but he barely got his vote in on time. Another minor hing I'd like to point out: On June 09 2015 15:57 Mig wrote: lmao chez is the best. Just going to assume chez is going to get lynched next. So besides him who is most likely to be mafia after him. So after rethinking things, I came to a realization, why the fuck are we all so sure that JTA is town? he really doesn't seem to care who gets lynched this game | ||
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June 10 2015 09:35 GMT
#1532
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June 10 2015 10:08 GMT
#1534
That was fun | ||
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June 10 2015 10:19 GMT
#1536
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June 10 2015 10:22 GMT
#1538
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Fecalfeast
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June 10 2015 10:30 GMT
#1543
Why did you go straight to necrophilia marv? | ||
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June 10 2015 10:51 GMT
#1545
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June 10 2015 18:09 GMT
#1583
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June 10 2015 18:11 GMT
#1586
On June 11 2015 03:10 marvellosity wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual saving you for lylo sweetie I know, and then I win in lylo because I am the wizard | ||
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June 10 2015 18:13 GMT
#1590
On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... | ||
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June 10 2015 18:15 GMT
#1592
On June 11 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual Because you just aren't towny. You're keeping me on the backburner because you don't think I'm towny? How does that make sense? If I'm not towny push me nerd | ||
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June 10 2015 18:16 GMT
#1593
On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote: On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. | ||
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June 10 2015 18:19 GMT
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June 10 2015 18:22 GMT
#1600
On June 11 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 03:19 Fecalfeast wrote: What argument? I made a comment about how I'm not the only lurker. Implying that it means it wouldn't be scummy for you to do it. Which isn't true. Do you have evidence that I lurk more as scum than I do as town? Am I lurking more than my normal town game? You're just saying I'm scummy because you don't feel like developing a read on me and that's not ok. | ||
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June 10 2015 18:23 GMT
#1601
On June 11 2015 03:22 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 03:20 Half the Sky wrote: On June 11 2015 03:18 justanothertownie wrote: On June 11 2015 03:16 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 11 2015 03:14 justanothertownie wrote: On June 11 2015 03:13 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 11 2015 03:11 Half the Sky wrote: On June 11 2015 03:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I don't think he's actually suspicious of me. Seems like everyone is just keeping me on the backburner as usual He's called you a lurker at least, what, three times now? Or useless or however he's phrasing it? As the only lurker in this game, oh wait... So what if there are other lurkers? The argument "but those other guys are as guilty as me" is something that mafia makes all the fucking time. And who are you even talking about? fuba mig Va off the top of my head. I said my part about mig and fuba/VA are known lurkers who do it every single game regardless of alignment. So your argument is invalid. Alright JAT, so then (based on my previous question) am I correct here in saying that your primary argument against FF is his lurkiness? I don't know if it is the primary argument. Primary would be that he just is not towny/I can't remember even a single good thing he said. The only thing I remember is what other people said ABOUT him and his willingness to shenannie for no reason. Wow nvm I don't even want you to town read me you haven't even looked at the filter of someone you call scummy. | ||
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June 10 2015 18:26 GMT
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June 10 2015 18:29 GMT
#1605
Ippo - 11 page filter for two cycles (lynched D2, was mafia) Because mafia is actually fun, rather than frustrating | ||
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June 10 2015 18:34 GMT
#1608
On June 11 2015 03:29 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 11 2015 03:26 Fecalfeast wrote: wow 16 pages of one-liners. That's impressively annoying to read. Better than 16 pages of not-one-liners. Btw. it's nice and all that you are reading a filter/doing anything at all but what exactly is the point? Are you sad that I am scumreading you? If you are town it would be more productive to read the filter of someone that could actually be mafia. I am sad that you are scumreading me but acting like you're confirmed town is bullshit, come on. | ||
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June 10 2015 18:40 GMT
#1611
On June 11 2015 03:39 justanothertownie wrote: Btw. I am not really scumreading you. I am just not at all townreading you and that puts you very far down in my list already. You just don't know how to townread me is all then. I miss superbia | ||
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June 10 2015 23:37 GMT
#1653
On June 10 2015 23:18 marvellosity wrote: he kinda gave HF the win in Onegu's game too. The thing about Chez was that he was actually right/astute a lot, but you either couldn't understand or people would ignore him. we're in a great spot anyway though Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote: I think these people are town: 1.marvellosity 2.justanothertownie 3. NaCl`y 4.prplhz 7. Alakaslam 13. Artanis[Xp] if I'm right about these, then just lynching everyone else indiscriminately would do the trick. which leaves 5. fuba 6. boxerfred 9.VayneAuthority 11.FecalFeast 12. Mig I mean the fact that he died isn't a surprise or anything but you'd think he has to be right about at least one scum or they'd try blue sniping right? I honestly haven't even read from when I posted last until now one sec | ||
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June 10 2015 23:52 GMT
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June 10 2015 23:52 GMT
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June 10 2015 23:54 GMT
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June 11 2015 01:23 GMT
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BoxerDude a case about boxerfred Circlejerk count: 4 Part 1 yamato interaction On June 05 2015 16:33 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 15:11 yamato77 wrote: On June 05 2015 14:39 boxerfred wrote: Hello, people Sick case already, looking forward to the answers! lol? lol. ##Vote: boxerfred You have the best filter EU. Your first participation in this game actually is "lol? lol. vote". Would you mind to explain why you're voting me? Would you mind to explain why of all posts (and cases) that were put out thus far you choose my post to reply to? Toward scum so, in the context of Boxer being scum, I imagine afk!yamato hadn't even posted in scum QT at this point and boxer was already salty about his teammate being mia. I'm indeed ignoring what you're saying since I don't feel like it has any ground. I don't exactly understand why you say that a "tend to no-lynch" after saying "That guy might be scum" is scummy if it is not for some constructed reasons, trying to get a mis-lynch on a townie. I tend to no-lynch on D1 because it simply makes sense. The probability of hitting a town is way higher than hitting a scum member. I guess you know that. So while I have a scum read on yamato, that scum read is not built on like a rock solid ground but is more a first impression that I'll try to get a grip upon later on. Just like I did when I said "Why are you jumping on me, pulling attention on me instead of my read on yamato?" - Well, instead of replying to that, you just say "LOOK HE'S IGNORING MY WORDS", still shifting attention away from yamato (who seldomly posts anyways) to, oh look, me again. So. You don't like the bolded part, alright? Well shame, deal with it. On D1, there's no evidence or indications of anything in general besides someone's posts. D1 is the day where (IMHO) scum can just lay back, chill the fuck out and jump on the first guy they feel is probably being mislynched. So BOOM ##unvote ##vote no-lynch until I find a case or create a case which seems to be worth a vote. from the poorly formatted post. This is wishy-washy and a poor excuse to switch his vote from yamato without having to have a reason to call anyone else scum. Keep in mind the part that says: So while I have a scum read on yamato when you read the post where he votes for yamato. On June 07 2015 06:06 boxerfred wrote: At this point, I'm on page 21. I have read those pages completely and will hopefully get to the rest of the pages until EoD. I wanted to do something helpful and decided to skim through yamato's filter since he was the guy who voted me. So, what did I find? Lots (LOTS) of non-helpful posts. Here's a list: Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 15:11 yamato77 wrote: On June 05 2015 14:39 boxerfred wrote: Hello, people Sick case already, looking forward to the answers! lol? lol. ##Vote: boxerfred Cool reasoning on a vote. Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 17:50 yamato77 wrote: On June 05 2015 17:12 justanothertownie wrote: On June 05 2015 17:01 Mig wrote: On June 05 2015 16:53 justanothertownie wrote: If what you asked was relevant is debatable. It also does not serve as a good duscusdion starter at all. Fact is compared to your towngames your posts lack opinions and are rather shallow. Asking for opinions on people that have done nothing so far is also not helpful. I think regardless of your alignment you will not be able to defend against this so if you are town you should probably post something more productive instead. It was relevant to me, I don't really care if you agree. And anyway retarded to complain that it isnt a good discussion starter when you compare it to what else was in the thread (nothing) and the fact that it actually has lead to discussion. I am not asking for your opinions on fuba/artanis. Asking for them to give their opinions on what is happening. Ah, misreas that fuba/artanis thing. Still asking for their opinions is also not helpful. My complaining is not retarded because noone is trying to sell that the early trolling is valuable for the game while you are trying to justify your stuff this way. @Yamato: No idea what your problem is. It should be apparent that I do not think the interactions tells us anything about chez alignment. Accusing him the way he did does not look good for prplhz but there is nothing to pressure here. In fact I would argue that me going against mig is the most pressure anyone in this game has applied so far btw. you don't get it -_- WHATEVER Cool answer to a longer post. Show nested quote + On June 05 2015 18:40 yamato77 wrote: On June 05 2015 18:08 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 16:53 yamato77 wrote: On June 05 2015 16:33 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 15:11 yamato77 wrote: On June 05 2015 14:39 boxerfred wrote: Hello, people Sick case already, looking forward to the answers! lol? lol. ##Vote: boxerfred You have the best filter EU. Your first participation in this game actually is "lol? lol. vote". Would you mind to explain why you're voting me? Would you mind to explain why of all posts (and cases) that were put out thus far you choose my post to reply to? because it was tonally scummy, for an opening post at this point in the game @JAT I'm just surprised you aren't putting pressure on anyone yourself. Your post looked more like complaining about how prplhz was playing than actually commenting on either player's alignment, and you still have yet to take such a stance. I mean, if you're thinking of prplhz's alignment in relation to how he's going after CHEZINU, isn't there something you'd actually consider in this instance, given the players involved? ##vote yamato77 since your answer looks totally scummy *rolls eyes* lel On June 05 2015 18:32 marvellosity wrote: boxerfred's entrance seems kinda different to his newbie game (where he was mafia). That's all I got. I'm blown away, zz Even better answers. "You did work? Cool, I have my unreasoned opinion and will keep it, thanks." Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 03:59 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 03:29 Fecalfeast wrote: like I have a bunch of filters open and nothing to say about them because they all suck. The case on mig is meta from like 100 years ago -sucks prplhz calling chez mafia for 'making excuses' even though he was directly asked why he was talking differently -sucks VA talking about mafia QT in 50% of his posts this game -sucks boxerfred's opener reads like he has a fake smile the entire time and he insults someone's filter less than 12 hours into the game -sucks Everything sucks You suck. Great contribution. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 04:51 yamato77 wrote: fecal is right tho, game is pretty boring until BF does something that looks even remotely townie, I'm content sitting on the idea of lynching him, you lazy fucks can do the scumhunting this game, I'm uninspired. "Wow guys I won't scumhunt why should I even?" I mean, if you're town, you should be scumhunting, shouldn't you? Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 05:07 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 05:04 marvellosity wrote: On June 06 2015 04:51 yamato77 wrote: fecal is right tho, game is pretty boring until BF does something that looks even remotely townie, I'm content sitting on the idea of lynching him, you lazy fucks can do the scumhunting this game, I'm uninspired. scummy. very funny "What, you think that's suspicious? You sure must be joking." Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 05:11 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 05:08 marvellosity wrote: On June 06 2015 05:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 06 2015 05:06 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 04:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I think this game needs some action, berating for people being bad and stuff like that. I hardclaim jailkeeper. the fuck is your problem? zzzzzzz this is like those artanis medic claims in voice mafia, don't take them seriously Thank you, this is getting much better. On June 06 2015 05:06 marvellosity wrote: would lynch Artanis -> fuba -> yamato Still bad. hardly, everything you've done and said has been trash. look at yourself if you are town. this is your case on artanis fucking lol #1 Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 05:14 yamato77 wrote: it says something that I take so little meaning from such a shit post and you apparently think it's enough to have him as your top scumread fucking LOL #2 I'm getting tired of reading this filter by now. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed. Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? moar rants in capslock, everyone's "an idiot". Yeah, if those claims are real, scum has easy targets at night. However I'd assume that players are actually not that stupid and try to make the best out of the situation instead of contributing exactly NOTHING by saying "LOL U STIPID". Well those claims would only be stupid if they would be 100% right. Wouldn't they? Like, imagine the following hypothetical scenario: I claim Doc. I have a role PM that says Doc and I am indeed the real Doc, I'm not lying. However, noone can know if I'm lying or not. Townies will have to think about that a lot before mislynching me. However, for scum, it's easier. Because scum knows: even if the claim is a lie, the guy is a townie. So, scum can of course pull out the "YOU'RE SUCH AN IDIOT FOR HARDCLAIMING" card, seemingly being the caring townie who's upset about how a fellow town member ruined the game. To me, it appears that you are doing exactly that. Why are you so upset about a hardclaim? You cannot possibly know if that is a correct claim, you can only guess, and the most sure on that claim you would be if you'd be scum. Up to this point, you orchestrated everything well. A mixture of disinterest, insults, yolo'ing and emotional writing. Emotional writing is great since you can never know if it is a concious use of capslock or if it is really someone banging his head on the keyboard in frustration. And of course there's this gem: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 03:11 yamato77 wrote: I gave an alternative and no one listens to me. I've had better things to do and today I have work. Enjoy finding a good lynch, I tried to do my part. "I did my work. Do what you must." The intelligent counseller is not listened to, thus he leaves, saying to the peasants "IF YOU DON'T NEED ME, DO BETTER". What kind of town play is that? ##unvote ##vote yamato77 This fanfare of a post reads to me like he (boxerman) finally decided to bus his teammate. He already said he was scumreading yamato before this but the only reason he did the work on yamato was because 'he voted me' and 'I wanted to do something helpful' even though he was around and could have been helpful when he was originally scumreading yamato instead of pussy-footing around the issue. Almost like he wasn't sure about hard busing since it's only his second mafia game and he just lost his first one? It's like he's already accepting the towncred he should get from busing yamato with that opening paragraph btw, that's why it's big. + Show Spoiler [bonus] + On June 07 2015 08:06 boxerfred wrote: kaboom I voted the guy first ppl, I voted the guy first thank me later Part 2 scum mindset On June 07 2015 06:18 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 23:26 fuba wrote: On June 06 2015 16:33 prplhz wrote: On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Sure, there's a town narrative that fits for Artanis[Xp] but not if you consider that he's Artanis[Xp]. Artanis[Xp] hasn't been lynched in like 15 town games. Survived or night killed every single one of them. Is that because he pulls shit like this as town? Or is it because his town is extremely solid and he can rely on just playing normally to not get lynched? How do you reconcile Artanis[Xp]'s meta of never getting lynched as town with his behavior this game? Do you think this is the behavior of someone who never gets lynched? I've never been mislynched either. Is it because of my sterling town play? Just feels like a silly metric to me. On June 06 2015 16:34 prplhz wrote: @fuba What do you think about marvellosity's read on boxerfred? The read where he says bf's opening sounds different than bf's newbie mafia game? I think it sounds like barely a read. Is that supposed to dissuade me from thinking he could be scum? On June 06 2015 16:35 prplhz wrote: like, fuba coming in here with nothing but an inconsistent artanis read and a scum read on the new guy who talks funny is seriously underwhelming I really have trouble understanding how my D1 returns to the thread are consistently underwhelming, when they're almost always the same kinds of posts. Literally 100% of my town games involve returning to the thread to have at least one person declare my entire post scummy, without actually addressing anything that I've said. On June 06 2015 19:19 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded. Case in point. On June 06 2015 20:05 boxerfred wrote: On June 06 2015 19:19 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Holy shit, I hate this post. Especially the bolded. well I said "I tend to no-lynch" not that I would do it straight away. Fuba why so hard on me when I push yamato the slightiest? Also ignoring what I said, and simply suggesting that the entire thing is a defense of yamato. brb shower I can reply to that case although I think it's really not too well constructed. Just to prove I'm town, I pull that up instead of letting it die in older pages. Are there any questions regarding me? 'just to prove I'm town' who thinks to say stuff like that when they're actually town? from http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia?page=34#667 There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Lynching town because they hopped off a scum wagon is a good idea??? On June 07 2015 08:22 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 07 2015 08:18 boxerfred wrote: On June 07 2015 08:10 NaCl`y wrote: I noticed in boxerfred's mafia game that he likes to bus team mates by the way so he's totally not off the chopping block either. A lot of effort in his post to say basically the same thing as me. :D I thought exactly this. Hard to argue against that. You're starting a tunnel on me though, I'm town. I'm okay with a mislynch though this time, I'm not a blue role. If you are town you basically just offered yourself to mafia as a mislynch candidate. "Hey scum I probably wont fight a mislynch pushed on me, also I'm not blue so don't shoot me" Or, I lied to protect my green or even red identity, eh? A guilty conscience is a real thing that scum gets. On June 07 2015 08:31 boxerfred wrote: Wow just went into Vayne's filter. Not even a whole page. Around EoN though, with two posts indicating that Yamato really did bad plays: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote: i am really surprised yamato plays like that as scum now too, he has sunk to new lows Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 08:07 VayneAuthority wrote: On June 07 2015 08:06 justanothertownie wrote: On June 07 2015 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote: i am really surprised yamato plays like that as scum now too, he has sunk to new lows nah man, yamato always sucked as mafia. i mean just the blatant anger and insults, so unnecessary as scum lol Vayne, you seem to be bothered quite a lot with the death of yamato? Thought you wouldn't care too much: Show nested quote + On June 07 2015 06:09 VayneAuthority wrote: i dont think yamato is mafia but dont mind if he dies. hes basically just IamRobik except he doesnt ever get warned for behavior somehow even though every post he makes is a personal insult That fruit wasn't even hanging it was rotting on the ground. He spends so much time scumming on 1 page VA while nobody seems to care and then what does he do? Nothing. Content with the amount of work he's put in it's time to go "what about va?" and then afk. On June 08 2015 07:36 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 07:35 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote: On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote: what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. What do you mean by buying bus tickets? bad metaphor for "he's bussing me" why On June 08 2015 16:28 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote: On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote: On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote: what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. ah, so now it's about the phrasing of the stuff, glad to have cleared that up do i need to particularly interrogate you when someone else is already doing so? would that make you happy? It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. You're just holding your barrel at me, not even caring about anything else. Besides your scum read on me, what do you think about Vayne and my stuff on him? What do you think about fuba, given that Artanis claimed to have him blocked? Any more reads on potential scum? He's clearly thinking about his coaching last game. Last game he was scum. ok. Also using his scum coaching to put scum on a now confirmed town. On June 08 2015 22:53 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 22:50 marvellosity wrote: On June 08 2015 22:49 boxerfred wrote: On June 08 2015 22:45 justanothertownie wrote: And you are still scumreading marv for pointing things out about you that I pointed out first while you are townreading me which is very very strange. I'm reading you town for this + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 06:26 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote: Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this: First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game: The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim? The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched). On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots. So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he? Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation? The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit. If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. This post is really good. The bad thing for me is that I have to trust in what he's saying on marv's and artanis' backstory in mafia, I don't have the experience to judge that. However, given how Yamato reacts to the claim ("it's so stupid to claim!!") this feels like he makes the claim look like a bad town move and not a genious scum move. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote: Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. There, Mig jumps the train, too. All those posts have one thing in common, and that is not Artanis, but Yamato. I really think he's a good lynch by now, even if he's town. Also, NaCl (who I read as town for his explanations and the idea behind his CC) made the spoilered post, mentioning Yamato in a reasonable way, too: + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 00:49 NaCl`y wrote: First and foremost, I'd just like to get this out of the way. I am NOT the doctor. I decided to do this for reasons twofold: 1) I felt that no individual would ever believe they were under pressure and mafia would have caught their breadcrumb and then hard claim jailkeeper on day 1. I could not believe that a town Artanis[Xp] would do this. Since I did not believe it, I had to test out his claim. I originally thought just claiming jailkeeper would make him either rescind his silly claim or if he was mafia, give up the game. He did not do this however so I concluded that from his reactions and interactions around it his claim was pretty much sincere. This is when I decided to enact the second phase of my plan. 2) I switched my claim to doctor in order to garner reactions. Since I am town and I am pretty sure Artanis[Xp] is town then the unbelievable situation is that we have both a jailkeeper and a doctor. I don't think anybody would think this would be balanced. At least, I don't think it would in a small game such as this. So, since this was the case I left it open that there were 2 healing power roles. I did want to let everyone respond but a lot of people are just afk. No matter, this led to some very interesting reactions indeed: The first of which is Justanothertownie. I think his reaction is by far the most sincere in the game. Posts like: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 10:52 justanothertownie wrote: Going to bed. Anyone who is even considering not lynching Artanis has to explain all this: First of all you have to explain why NaCl is scum because there is no way there are 2 protective roles in a 10 vs 3 setup with 1 mafia KP and normal roles but EVEN IF THAT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU ON ITS OWN and you think for some reason it is possible to have a JK AND a doctor in the same game: The situation is the following - you are Artanis a pretty good and experienced town player and you happened to role JK. Halfway into day1 nothing much happened so far and all of a sudden marvellosity who you townread and who you think is a really good player is attacking and voting you. You played a lot of games together. Do you either try to convince him that you are town/play the game or immediately feel the need to claim? The answer is even if Artanis thinks he will potentially get lynched he will never claim his really powerful role without trying to avert the lynch otherwise before (and his stats show that he is really good at not being mislynched). On the other hand if you are scum Artanis then you might think to yourself - "I will probably not be able to avoid being lynched" for whatever reason (maybe because town marvellosity set his sights on you). Artanis had some really weak scumgames. In THAT CASE claiming JK is pretty good. If noone counterclaims you will survive AT LEAST a day and be able to push an agenda. If you get counterclaimed you outed a really important role (if scum has a vigi getting rid of our protective role basically means they need one less mislynch for example) and in the worst case you just still get lynched. Maybe you even survive because people are idiots. So town Artanis obviously did not claim because of being afraid. So why would he? Artanis says he claimed because he thought he was outed by a dumb breadcrumb (which I think is HIGHLY unbelievable itself) he did which marv put emphasis on. So what do you do in this situation? The answer is you never ever ever claim right away. What does town get from your outing? Nothing. If you think you absolutely need to claim for whatever reason you can still claim during the end of the night to avoid getting shot if scum happen to not know about you. By claiming you are destroying any chance of them not knowing for no real benefit. If Artanis is town he acted incredibly stupid to a degree that is absolutely insane. I refuse to believe this and that he would not put any thought in how to play as one of towns most important and strong roles. The likelihood of him being mafia is much much higher. Add to this the claim by NaCl and we will absolutely lynch Artanis today. + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 07:42 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 06 2015 07:37 NaCl`y wrote: On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote: On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote: @Artanis I think you know which ruse I am talking about. I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I fail to believe any mini game would be so utterly awful at that kind of balance. I am quite content to get lynched first for the trade. We don't know what roles scum have. I'm not quite as convinced as you, more so because I see little reason for you to fakeclaim as scum here. Then again, Toad did do it in LX or whatever so I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. On June 06 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:36 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 06 2015 07:27 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Which ruse? I've already fully owned up to being bad. Are you going to be bad with me? Your claim is so utterly terrible it is mindblowing. I have no idea how you can think doing this is a good idea (at least as town) regardless of your role. I refuse to believe that you actually felt threatened by 1 fucking vote. I have not been trying to figure out the game? When I was in the thread I was basically the only one to do this at all. I wasn't feeling all that threatened, I just figured that scum would figure out the crumb I made anyway after marv pointed it out. On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote: On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote: @Artanis I think you know which ruse I am talking about. I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. Then you're either scum or there's both a doc and jk in the game, which given it's a closed setup is possible. I'm not sure which to believe. I also don't believe you thought scum would catch on to your ridiculous "crumb". You are not this bad. I actually figured you already figured it out when you kept talking about how bad I looked yet never voted or actually pushed me. I don't doubt that a 3-player scumteam would figure it out themselves. Noone would ever make the connectionof lock = jail. Are you kidding me. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:40 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 07:38 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:37 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 07:35 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:33 NaCl`y wrote: On June 06 2015 07:32 NaCl`y wrote: @Artanis I think you know which ruse I am talking about. I counterclaim jailkeeper. More specifically, doctor. Not jailkeeper. If this is a harcclaim we are 100 % lynching artanis. care to explain? I'm all ears. There are never both jk and doctor in the game. If the salty guy hardclaims we are lynching the shit out of artanis. In the worst case he trades 1:1 with mafia NaCl. So you're banking on lynching claims in a closed setup? Yeah, no. Yeah, yes. There are never ever both jk and doctor in a 13 player mini with scum having 1 KP. NEVER. His reactions and surprise and looking at claims while analysing which ones make sense or not is very towny of him. I am quite happy to add him to the town pile of Artanis[Xp] and Justanothertownie thus far. prplhz is more of a toss up, I'm not sure what to believe really. His initial reaction to the claims seemed a skeptical but also as if they were not at the same time: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:58 prplhz wrote: On June 06 2015 07:55 NaCl`y wrote: @Everyone I do not believe there would simply be 2 protective roles in this game. I would like the input of others that have not said anything towards this, it would be appreciated. Are there likely to be 2 town protective roles? Could Artanis[Xp] be the mafia roleblocker fake claiming since they are notified and it would be a good cover for somebody that notoriously does not play as mafia? Until recently there couldn't be godfather, framer, miller, cop in same game but then suddenly there was a game with godfather, framer, miller, cop. So I'm not inclined to this setup speculation either. Honestly I haven't a clue what to make of these claims, I'm pretty horrible with claims. What I'm pretty certain of is that one of you claimers is a giant moron. post that give me pause are posts like: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 08:45 prplhz wrote: On June 06 2015 08:43 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, tell me: 1) Why would scum NaCl counterclaim if they can shoot town artanis in the night? 2) How on earth does Artanis play make sense from a town pov? Do you think he is usually a pretty stupid guy? No but I just said, the narrative of him being town, having his crumb outed, being scum read by marvellosity (who will probably get his lynch d1) and then being all frustrated and martyring and hard claiming shit, that sort of fits. Do you think scum would have done all this if they could have avoided it? This is pretty extraordinary. combined with Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 09:30 prplhz wrote: seriously artanis has never been mislynched and that's not because he pulls off shit like this in all his town games it's the exact opposite He pretty much outlines reasons that Artanis[Xp] could be town while still saying that we should lynch him which is incredibly confusing, hence why I'm not sure about his alignment right now. I actually think marvellosity is mafia in this game. He has had several overblown reactions that I don't think he'd have as town and his reaction to this double protective role claiming is very sub par for him. I don't think he'd ever agree with Justanothertownie's reasoning for voting Artanis[Xp] and then just blindly lynch fuba. Ever. The reactions that I am talking about are: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 05:28 marvellosity wrote: On June 06 2015 05:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 06 2015 05:26 marvellosity wrote: On June 06 2015 05:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote: There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here. None. He is scum. You are going to be so disappointed. then why did you claim? what possible motivation when you have a total of 1 vote on you? Because the thread was boring and I figured with the attention you gave to that part mafia would've certainly noticed and probably figured it out. This way at least everyone has the info. that's so bad. this is why i'm playing less and less. i can't handle the sort of nonsense yamato + artanis are pulling this game. i don't find it enjoyable. it's too bad for me to find enjoyable both Artanis[Xp] and Yamato77 were marvellosity's scum reads. Yet, when they did such utterly terrible things it garnered this reaction from marvellosity. Now, he's played quite a few games with Artanis[Xp] and from what I've seen he catches him if he is mafia quite regularly and has seen Artanis[Xp] claim things like mafia but lynched him anyway. This is a stupid claim and his initial reaction is frustration at stupidity but we find out later that marvellosity is STILL scum reading Artanis[Xp]. This, in tandem with his reaction to Yamato77 (his other scum read) seems very disingenuous. Now, getting to the part of the claims. I never expected marvellosity to just sit back on a lynch when there were 2 protective roles claimed in the thread. ESPECIALLY if one of them was his original scum read that has now been outed. However, his reactions are so meek that I can only conclude that this is a mafia marvellosity. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 05:23 marvellosity wrote: There is absolutely no way a town Artanis claims jailkeeper for no reason here. None. He is scum. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 06:12 marvellosity wrote: yeah i guess unless someone hard counterclaims you, that might be a good idea. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 19:56 marvellosity wrote: Mig: the context is all in my posts, my patience levels are even lower than what they used to be, I have nothing further to add what jat wrote is honestly quite convincing about artanis, probably because i kinda believe it myself. still, it's possibly a risky play i guess just to randomly claim when you could talk yourself out of it? still can't decide firmly like i said last night, I find the idea that I found artanis, it happened to contain the word lock, and he made the best of it not unlikely that said, my vote is probably on mafia with fuba anyway. soooo...... Actually i went back and read what jat wrote again, still pretty convinced. i'd lynch either. He barely mentions the fact that there are 2 claims. He in fact ignores it. He bypasses this fact to then just talk about Artanis[Xp]'s reaction instead. However, it's as if he doesn't even care about it. He'd rather just sit back and lynch whoever instead of trying to figure things out. Fuba is such a cop out lynch and not something I think he'd be doing. Regardless his play this game can be surmised as: Overblown reactions to Artanis[Xp]'s stupidity and a fake reaction to Yamato77 and nothing. Also: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 20:00 marvellosity wrote: Does mafia KP = 1 mean KP is factional and leaves room for the possibility of a mafia vigi, or is it 1 maximum? I do not think he'd ever ask this question as town. I'm actually blown away that he'd ever ask this when he 100% knows it would never get answered. He has also now claimed inactivity excuses. I think he is mafia. Yamato77 is another person that I think is likely to be mafia. Out of all the reactions he had me scratching my head the most. He seemed to instantly believe that both claims were entirely real and that Artanis[Xp]'s post was most definitely a breadcrumb and never listened to logic that dictated otherwise. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed. Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 08:00 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 07:57 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote: On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote: On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote: Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed. Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? If NaCl IS town and he IS doctor, he's a fucking idiot for "counterclaiming" in a closed setup in the first place. If you don't believe Artanis' claim, MAKE GOOD POINTS ABOUT IT, DON'T "COUNTERCLAIM" WITH A DIFFERENT ROLE THAN THE ONE BEING CLAIMED It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims? It is literally irrelevant if NaCl is an idiot or not. Artanis claim makes 0 sense from a town pov. The crumb is not obvious at all. Look, Artanis shouldn't have claimed when he did, but the crumb is quite obviously a crumb in hindsight If you don't think it's a crumb now, I don't know what to tell you Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 08:09 yamato77 wrote: Fine, JAT, obviously you don't listen to me, so you can have your way. I will have no part in this lynch however. I don't think he ever pondered the possibility that one of the claims was false or otherwise. Artanis[Xp]'s breadcrumb did not look like a breadcrumb at all and was actually in a standard phrase that many people use in mafia so "in hindsight" it still doesn't look like a breadcrumb at all. I think he has shown that he is using too much information to make a read and that becomes very evident in this situation. I think mig's reaction: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2015 16:59 Mig wrote: Some stuff I noticed, marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Feast/artanis interaction - If either of artanis/feast are scum it is very unlikely that the other is also. The claim/counter claim/ artanis vote feast stuff is too random. Just a weird/unlikely series of interactions if the scum team planned out an artanis fake claim. I honestly have no idea if having 2 protection roles would be OP for town or not. If mafia has a rber it doesn't seem that outlandish to me. That being said I am fine with lynching artanis. I read through Noir mini mafia that he just played and I actually think artanis played well that game. Day1 of that game was about as useless as this day1 has been and he still managed to actually post some useful thoughts. So far today he has posted a paragraph on being a little suspicious of JTA and that's it. Along with that his story for why he claimed is meh. Alternating between claiming because he was bored and because marv mentioned his line with the word lock in it. It was fairly clear that marv wasn't even saying that it was a bread crumb just that artanis was giving superfluous commentary. Assuming that mafia would have figured out he was JK from that is retarded. Seems more likely that artanis is bsing. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 07:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also as scum if this had happened I'd know I'd have been caught and just afk for the rest of the day. Self-meta and all but it's probably accurate. Kind of funny he said this, made a few more posts then disappeared for the rest of the day as well. Artanis if you are town give your reads, make a case etc. actually looks quite genuine and thought out, it shows that he's analytically looking at the alignments of the big event that happened in the game so far and did some background reading to make sure. His interactions points seem a bit too surface level though so a bit hesitant to add him to a town circle but definitely not in a scummy circle quite yet either. This is getting a bit long and i'm not sure people are going to read it so for the sake of clarity People I am happy with and think are probably town: Artanis[Xp], justanothertownie People that I am happy with: mig, possibly fuba for analysing peoples' reactions (not mentioned in long post sorry), Alakaslam People that I am ok with: prplhz People that I have no idea about: VayneAuthority (not mentioned but I don't really have a clue, didn't like his reactions though), Chezinu (ignored most of the game), FecalFeast, People I think are scum: Marvellosity, Yamato77, boxerfred (I read his past game where he was mafia and it looked very similar) ##unvote ##vote yamato77 He also reads me as scum - well AMA then, really don't want to make you think that. Since you refer to my last game for your statement, I'll say 2 things: a) 1 game of many to come is not indicative of how I play, neither as scum nor as town. It was my first game ever on TL mafia, even my first game ever in a forum. b) Can you please point out the parallels that you are seeing so scum boxerfred can get rid of them? Nah kidding. You don't need to explain the parallels to me as of now but before you start a train on me getting a mislynch, I want to have the reasoning behind it. Since town is supposed to find scum I'm not mad at you for pointing out things on me that look scummy. It's fine, go on. I just don't like marv jumping that train. He's just adding fuel to the fire. Shame I'm adding more fuel by myself already, I need to calm down. This is just deeply inconsistent - either the things on you are valid/scummy or they are not. So even if you think jat/salty are town, you should be attacking their reasoning, rather than simply attacking me for holding the same/similar reasoning. It's valid that this was a TMI-ish call, can't deny that. If you go in my filter, you'll see that I needed a while to realize that. So I see why there's a scum lean on me. Regarding the bolded part: oh should I? Why should I stop going after you? He basically says "yeah good point that is scummy" and then proceeds to get confrontational with marv again... He calls marv scummy constantly throughout the day until his list post. On June 09 2015 05:37 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2015 03:48 NaCl`y wrote: On June 09 2015 03:31 boxerfred wrote: I have a pretty good idea who nacl is. By the way salty, who are you scum reads as of now? Do share with the class! I do not particularly know at this time since half of the players have disappeared. If I had to base it primarily from reactions and such that I remember it would be some variant of you/Chezinu/Fuba, possibly FecalFeast. Fuba's post today left me most perplexed. cakepie. Same style of writing/posting, very sophisticated and detailed. The thing that made me commit to that was your defense of new players. Regarding fuba - I think he has valid reasonings behind his stuff. Like when he initially voted me for my push on yamato into unvoting etc., that was an okay-ish argumentation. He then drew a connection between marv and me, here: Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 23:26 fuba wrote: On June 06 2015 16:33 prplhz wrote: On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote: Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote: On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfred Gotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk. Sure, there's a town narrative that fits for Artanis[Xp] but not if you consider that he's Artanis[Xp]. Artanis[Xp] hasn't been lynched in like 15 town games. Survived or night killed every single one of them. Is that because he pulls shit like this as town? Or is it because his town is extremely solid and he can rely on just playing normally to not get lynched? How do you reconcile Artanis[Xp]'s meta of never getting lynched as town with his behavior this game? Do you think this is the behavior of someone who never gets lynched? I've never been mislynched either. Is it because of my sterling town play? Just feels like a silly metric to me. On June 06 2015 16:34 prplhz wrote: @fuba What do you think about marvellosity's read on boxerfred? The read where he says bf's opening sounds different than bf's newbie mafia game? I think it sounds like barely a read. Is that supposed to dissuade me from thinking he could be scum? He completely unfollows that train of thoughts though. I can't really find any points from which I'd give him a scum lean thus far. Only thing to note is that he never really commits to something. On the other hand, he genuinely explains his thoughts and soft pushes. I'd expect him to go harder at people when the game goes further but at this point, he's poking very softly and disappears again then. So at this point I'm willing to read him town. Also, regarding me: FF says I'm looking rather frustrated than townish, fuba also goes for a null/town read on me, for other reasons though. It's interesting that Salty, while being all polite, obviously has a strong scum read on me. Hm. So here's a "feeling ranking" of all the players: marvellosity: town tendency. His filter didn't give any clues of huge scum players or anything that would indicate a thing. Also, he started a case on Mig, I guess that's something. justanothertownie Town. Still for his read that I quoted earlier and nothing that would indicate a scum alignment. NaCl`y Town. If I remember correctly, he also went hard on yamato. gotta re-check but I'm kinda sure. fuba town tendency. see this post. VayneAuthority scum tendency. Because he didn't really answer my questions and pops up every now and then only FecalFeast town tendency. his posts feel good and are very reasoned. no derailing or similar. So that makes me locate the living scum members at: prplhz, chezinu, HTS, Mig, VA (in no particular order). Bullshit townreads ahead: Marv is now town because "he started a case on Mig" even though boxer had been shitighting with his all day. Trying to appease marv? JAT for something he admits, with the word 'still,' is dated. "and nothing that would indicate a scum alignment." is the most bullshit non reason I've seen. NACL.... "If I remember correctly, he also went hard on yamato. gotta re-check but I'm kinda sure." no mention of claims, acts as though he can't remember what NACL has said even though he claims to know who NACL is by how he is posting. Seems like you'd need to be paying more attention to his posts to figure that out. fuba townread is because he saw a connection between BF and marv and then 'completely unfollows that train of thought.' extra whitespace because editing post before he sends it out. Townread on me because my posts feel good. Wow man thanks that's a good reason to townread someone on day 2. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=24388095 look at the next post where he says he's going to address the NACL doctor claim. This huge post basically shouts "I'M TOWN". What happened to the marv scum read, NaCl? I realized that you kept me in your recent list, while Chezinu went from "no idea about" to "scum". Why is he scum by now? I am asking that because the fight between me and Marv pulled (IMHO) too much attention off previous thoughts and cases. I don't want that to happen. Also, I want you to filter dive on me and make a case. You're posting in a fair and reasonable way and I'll try to explain anything you find in a genuine way. The bolded covers three scummy things IMO. First, he asks why one of his top towns is no longer scumreading marv who, in BF's last list, is looking townish. Why bring up your townread's old reads and ask about them when they align with yours? Second, he questions the chezinu scumread even though he, himself reads chezinu scum. Thirdly he says that he would prefer if people didn't pull as much information out of old cases in the same breath he asks "why happened to your marv scumread" On June 09 2015 19:06 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 09 2015 18:54 justanothertownie wrote: On June 09 2015 18:51 boxerfred wrote: On June 09 2015 18:46 justanothertownie wrote: On June 09 2015 18:45 marvellosity wrote: I was supposed to think about boxerfred today, but it seems like a lot of effort. I can't decide what his backing off me means. Genuine re-read or opportunistic because i'm a rather more annoying foe than bargained for? Are the people who were suspicious of him before now happy with him? Not really. I feel like he is just going with thread sentiment. He backed off of you after NaCl and me made it very clear that he would not have success with that push multiple times. If I was going with thread sentiment I would not ever have gotten in that shitwar with Marv. Also, I wouldn't have made a case on Vayne (that is still being disregarded). Also, I would have voted for Chenizu instead asking why you did not imply him. Also, I wouldn't pressure you. It's just Mig popping up and asking "Wait, why exactly is JAT town?" - and I asked specific questions that you refuse to answer. I wouldn't call that thread sentiment. Thread sentiment was basically "look there's Chez let's discuss with him in friendly banter". You might've noticed I completely refrained from that, also because I simply don't understand everything he's saying. I backed off of marv since I was advised to read his filter without the shitwar which I did. And who did advise you to do that? ME. But you think I haven't done anything except for the Artanis thing. Good job. And going against me after mig, prplhz and FF previously voiced suspicion IS going with thread sentiment because I think at least 2/3 of those are town. True that! See, you actually CAN point to something. That's all I wanted. Well done. weak cop-out from arguing with JAT part 3 I'm getting tired of doing this tbh questions Why was JAT your top town? On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote: what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. On June 10 2015 07:08 boxerfred wrote: because this this was your reason for voting marv. What exactly did you believe and why? | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 11 2015 19:03 GMT
#1822
HTS do you have a lynch list, have you posted it already? | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 11 2015 19:10 GMT
#1824
He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion. He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched. I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it. One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 11 2015 19:12 GMT
#1826
On June 12 2015 04:05 Half the Sky wrote: Prior to the whole spiel with Boxer I was looking at boxer and fuba. Now along with fuba, I also think we might need another look at Mig. So at this point, fuba and Mig. You are the only person to even mention my case on BF, btw. <3 | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 11 2015 19:14 GMT
#1828
On June 12 2015 04:11 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 01:32 boxerfred wrote: Here is the original breadcrumb tell from Artanis that made him claim. Now why would you pick that breadcrumb up? I mean, let's take the sentence: "Wouldn't consider it a lock though." So for me as a newbie, I read that as "Well, I wouldn't lock that opinion yet. The case might be solid but it's not enough to justify a lynch". A more experienced player would probably read it as "Well, solid case, but I'm not using my Jailkeeper ability to block him in the night." But still, it's a crumb, not a huge tell. So who would read that sentence so accurate, so exactly, that he'd find that breadcrumb? I mean, it's D1. We're all still a bit kidding and joking, right? Except the one that is directly mentioned in the post: Mig. Mig sees his name pop up. He sees that this is an opinion on the case on him AND he sees that he's considered (or not) to be jailed. Mig's reaction? Go to scum qt, tell everyone that there is a Jailkeeper and pray that the guy gets killed at night - or even day. That would explain why yamato did his original TMI tell: directly believing the claim. I mean let's be honest, scum must've seen the breadcrumb (the crumb was even pointed out once the claim came) and they believed Artanis. I don't understand why Artanis instaclaimed or even dropped that crumb but he got us a red. Now that we all know that the claim was for real, I think it might be worth it to go through the D1 posts and re-read all the reactions. I mean by now, we have several townies dead. Might be worth gathering who went on who. Shame I have no time this evening, my passion is almost restored with that post. However I'll try my best to do what I just said before EoD. I thought about this part of the post and I went back and looked at the Day 1 reactions. In thread were Slam, Marv, Yamato, JAT, FF, prplhz along with Artanis. Yamato had ridicule all around, but Mig in that thread was nowhere to be seen. prplhz gave an lol artanis, Slam straight up called both FF and Artanis fakeclaims, and then after the former rescinded, Artanis drops the crumbs and FF, you posted this. Show nested quote + On June 06 2015 05:17 Fecalfeast wrote: On June 06 2015 05:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Lock. Jail. Jailkeeper. Wait you're not joking? come on man why would you claim now? The only person who appeared to believe directly in thread was yamato the page following. Are you asking me why I reacted like that? I thought artanis and I were just, as you europeans might say, 'avin' a giggle. When he started acting like his claim was serious I felt like I contributed to outing a blue. | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
June 11 2015 19:15 GMT
#1829
On June 12 2015 04:12 Half the Sky wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote: One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread. I thought he did? Or not the question you were expecting? Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 01:39 boxerfred wrote: On June 12 2015 01:10 VayneAuthority wrote: and yes you see that i am implying that salty could be mafia here but im not ready to entertain that yet. although the kill certainly suggests it Okay but let me raise Salty's case on yamato that got him lynched D1. Mafia could've clearly avoided that if that case would not have happened. Do you think that this is a play do confirm him town for the rest of the game? Yes he talks about NACL but keep in mind this is the guy BF made a case on and then complained profusely about being ignored. Even complaining about VA being afk in the posts I had to read to catch up this morning. All he has to say to VA when he comes back is a softball question? | ||
Fecalfeast
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June 11 2015 19:32 GMT
#1836
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June 11 2015 20:12 GMT
#1841
On June 12 2015 04:51 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On June 12 2015 04:10 Fecalfeast wrote: Exactly what I like about BF's posts before JAT gets on my dick: He's showing a thought process that's trying to figure out the game despite having been down-in-the-dumps earlier with all the martyring. I'm not sure new scum, after losing a scum game just before, would have the motivation to keep up the discussion. He's not trying to scum on N-eh-CL when the opening is clearly there. Although he could also just be aware that nacl will not be lynched. I think discussing the night kills to the extent that they have been recently is really, really WIFOM and probably not worth it. One thing I dislike is that VA has come back to the thread but BF hasn't actually made any effor to question him or revisit his scumread. I would like you to back this up with examples. Where is the thought process of trying to figure out the game exactly? Because you said the nightkill discussion is WIFOM and his whole big post is about it basically. I do think the nightkill is wifom and that is how he's trying to figure out the game. That's why, while I said I like his posts, I haven't unvoted him or called him town. Why don't you think motivation would be a problem? | ||
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June 11 2015 20:15 GMT
#1842
On June 12 2015 01:46 boxerfred wrote: [snip] On the other hand, the death of marv is an indicator that NaCl is scum in a weird way ("well scum would kill NaCl for his efforts and because he got yamato lynched. But he's scum so we can't kill him. He's got town cred over 9000 anyways.") Not sure if I'm willing to believe that. TBH, I'm not, no. | ||
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June 12 2015 19:02 GMT
#1907
##unvote ##vote fuba Better post soon mr fuba | ||
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June 12 2015 19:51 GMT
#1924
On June 13 2015 04:50 Mig wrote: If you think at any point in this game you are going to need to lynch bf then it is better to do it now and avoid wasting a day and giving mafia another nk How does the order of two deaths matter when the plan is to kill them both? | ||
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June 12 2015 20:06 GMT
#1931
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June 12 2015 20:09 GMT
#1934
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June 12 2015 20:09 GMT
#1935
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June 12 2015 20:12 GMT
#1937
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June 12 2015 20:13 GMT
#1939
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June 12 2015 20:16 GMT
#1946
On June 13 2015 05:15 justanothertownie wrote: In the almost unimaginable world where both are town we double mislynch and are in LYLO immediately. It would be 5/2 so we'd have 1 ml left but yeah I was about to say this | ||
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June 12 2015 20:17 GMT
#1950
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June 12 2015 20:20 GMT
#1956
On June 13 2015 05:20 prplhz wrote: we don't know that fuba isn't going to show up and just vote in the last second and things will be super chaotic. will second most voted die if fuba is modkilled before he is lynched? I certainly hope not | ||
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June 12 2015 20:35 GMT
#1966
On June 13 2015 05:25 Mig wrote: The fact that you guys would try to paint what I am doing here as scummy is fucking laughable. What scenario does me doing this help a scum mig. Motivation for a scum mig: Both are town and it's lylo tomorrow That wasn't hard to do I'm just saying | ||
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June 12 2015 23:23 GMT
#1976
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June 13 2015 00:40 GMT
#1982
On June 13 2015 09:08 Mig wrote: I defended fuba and tried to get bf lynched and everyone's first thought is oh obvious boxer/mig scum team bussing each other for credit! Zzzzzzzzzzzzz I guess thats why boxer came up with all the shit about how me and jat cant be the same alignment etc. Maybe you guys should actually consider the possibility that you were wrong about me? Vayne looks pretty terrible btw What makes vayne look terrible to you specifically? | ||
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June 13 2015 23:10 GMT
#2060
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June 14 2015 00:10 GMT
#2070
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June 14 2015 00:35 GMT
#2079
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June 14 2015 08:59 GMT
#2084
On June 14 2015 13:29 Mig wrote: Well I read through vayne's filters in like the last 10 games he's played (wasnt hard they were all like 4 pages long) Vayne I saw you say multiple times that end game is when you are best (like chess). So why are you so completely useless right now? You really have no strong reads on anyone?!? Also why do you think prplhz is town? Fancy feast who do you think the last 2 mafia are? tomorrow I will go over filters and have an answer for you. Any answer I give right now will be thoughtless as I am drained from a super long day. | ||
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June 14 2015 22:43 GMT
#2114
HTS is bleeding town to me, had a TR on slam before JAT is one of those people that has burned me as mafia but ATM I am reading him town prplhz isn't playing the best game ever and I may revisit him but I think the "lurks as mafia, posts as town" meta works for him still FecalFeast isn't playing his best either but his cases show a decent towny thought process and he has been around for most major discussions to ask questions. + Show Spoiler + also he got town pm My case on boxer having a scum mindset still stands but I don't think he goes for the double bus (actually now that I am typing this I think someone said he probably WOULD go for the double bus can I get a confirmation?) so him going at VA makes me think they aren't a team for now. mig is someone I haven't actually put much effort into reading since like day 1 which is actually pretty terrible considering I've got him on my scum poe list. I'll do that now | ||
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June 14 2015 22:53 GMT
#2115
On June 07 2015 05:16 Mig wrote: Just tell me who the mafia are fecal. Easy peazy. Reasons would be a bonus did I really pass up a chance to post the 'fuck you i wont do what you tell me' video? I'm slipping... | ||
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June 14 2015 23:16 GMT
#2117
The only times I see mig actually interact with yamato are in these 2 posts On June 07 2015 03:18 Mig wrote: You havent tried to do shit yam. Quit being emo. If you are town then make a case. which makes you think mig has a scum read on the guy, at least it makes me think he does. On June 07 2015 04:00 Mig wrote: Nac went back and read your post. Correct me if I am wrong but your point is Yam immediately believed the claims which implies he had too much information. But isnt yam jumping to some idiot conclusion without thinking about it just what he does? Maybe he thinks you caught him tho which is why hes being emo and hasnt pushed for anyone like he normally does. Except a few posts in his filter later he lightly defends him but still calls him emo. These posts read like mig is genuinely annoyed with yamato, in my opinion. Possibly faced with a double-whammy afk team (VA/yamato) I can see the frustration leaking into the thread. This is pretty wifom though. Otherwise, he avoids talking about yamato, instead asking other people about yamato. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2015 04:00 Mig wrote: Nac went back and read your post. Correct me if I am wrong but your point is Yam immediately believed the claims which implies he had too much information. But isnt yam jumping to some idiot conclusion without thinking about it just what he does? Maybe he thinks you caught him tho which is why hes being emo and hasnt pushed for anyone like he normally does. On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote: boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal? Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? On June 07 2015 05:59 Mig wrote: What makes you think yam is town artanis? marv/yam interaction looks a little forced to me. Marv has to have played with yam 50 times by now. Yam is like this every game, the marv blow up seems overly emotional. I have seen marv blow up before but this seemed a bit much considering yam was just being his usual yam self. Just something to keep in mind. Even trying to scum marv a little by assuming marv should know yam is playing normally. Him constantly trying to push scum onto me all game, getting upset at people not voting me and belief that I 'don't care about scumhunting' adds to the above sentiment. If I am doing summy things X, Y, and Z and to him don't care about finding scum, why would he start to consider yamato less than 2 hours before deadline? On June 07 2015 06:18 Mig wrote: If Fancyfeast isnt lynched yam would be my #2. I dont think town yam just gives up and lets himself get lynched like this normally. Hard for him to pass up opportunities to argue with people when he thinks hes right. Then leading up to lynch he gets EVEN MORE wishy-washy and thinks about moving his vote to chez On June 07 2015 07:51 Mig wrote: I wouldnt want to switch to boxer right now since he showed up when there was 0 pressure on him right before deadline. Would consider chez but meh not sure that is better than yam. And finally, when he realizes his vote on me wasn't counted (only 1 pound sign) he hops on the wagon at the very end On June 07 2015 07:56 Mig wrote: I did vote for feast but fine put me on yam #vote yam To me this day 1 is exceptionally scummy. | ||
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June 15 2015 18:45 GMT
#2131
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June 15 2015 18:46 GMT
#2132
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June 15 2015 18:48 GMT
#2133
I think I get it. it's a compilation of everyone's scumreads This is actually pointless | ||
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June 15 2015 19:34 GMT
#2148
On June 16 2015 04:06 boxerfred wrote: Show nested quote + On June 16 2015 03:48 Fecalfeast wrote: OHHHHHH I think I get it. it's a compilation of everyone's scumreads This is actually pointless ..and town reads and null reads bro stop killing my motivation, this has already been a shitload of work Ok, do what ever will help you find scum. I just personally think a compilation of everyone's reads is a good way to seem like you're doing work without scumhunting. | ||
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June 15 2015 23:31 GMT
#2254
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June 15 2015 23:35 GMT
#2261
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