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Not feeling the case against fuba at all. The interaction around chez's lynch feels completely counter intuitive for how a mafia lurker fuba would play. He isn't hard defending chez but is more probing, asking questions etc. Why even bother if he were mafia and he thinks there is even a tiny chance that chez could be a cop when he is for sure going to be lynched? Just for town credit? In general people who lurk as mafia are more likely to coast and not worry about drawing attention to themselves to try and earn town cred.
On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such.
This post feels super townie to me also. Mafia are more careful about being honest about things like this. Posts like this draw attention to mafia and you could see fuba instantly got shit about it.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote:
Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now.
In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper".
I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it.
##Vote 17ninjabunnies
You can see the same thing from fuba here in carnival as town. He openly admits to trying to craft his posts to avoid suspicion, which is generally a mafia trait but something mafia wont ever post because they don't want to draw attention to themselves.
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Mig don't do this to me. Don't just go and be mafia on me right now.
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NAC I am here for you broski even if you are ignoring me about JAT and nobody will fucking tell me why JAT is town. I am trying to write up a post discussing the yam/jat interactions but it is taking forever.
And my points about fuba are completely right. Don't try and tell me lurker fuba would come out of hiding to soft defend chez if there was a tiny chance chez really was a dt and it would cause the town to do 2 mislynches in a row just to try and earn some small amount of town cred. Doesnt make any logical sense for him.
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Ok look at these JAT/Yam interactions
Yam talking to JAT
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 15:38 yamato77 wrote:
JAT, you're missing something rather large here concerning this interaction
your last post also kinda concerns me, do you care about either player's alignment or are you just complaining?
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 16:53 yamato77 wrote:
@JAT
I'm just surprised you aren't putting pressure on anyone yourself. Your post looked more like complaining about how prplhz was playing than actually commenting on either player's alignment, and you still have yet to take such a stance.
I mean, if you're thinking of prplhz's alignment in relation to how he's going after CHEZINU, isn't there something you'd actually consider in this instance, given the players involved?
Soft as shit, throws a tiny amount of suspicion on him and never follows up, points out weird shit JAT is doing but doesnt call him mafia or yells at him at all, now look at how yam dealt with marv/artanis
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:10 yamato77 wrote:
marv being a giant prick usually means he's mafia
plus he's taking this claim thing way too fucking serious
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:11 yamato77 wrote:
this is your case on artanis
fucking lol
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:14 yamato77 wrote:
it says something that I take so little meaning from such a shit post and you apparently think it's enough to have him as your top scumread
fucking LOL
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 05:10 yamato77 wrote:
marv being a giant prick usually means he's mafia
plus he's taking this claim thing way too fucking serious
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 07:34 yamato77 wrote:
you're a fucking idiot
It is like night and day, as soon as he begins arguing with marv he instantly calls him mafia. The only thing remotely similar is this post
+ Show Spoiler +On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:
It's fucking asinine that you're going along with this as well. Is town JAT honestly this fucking stupid to want to lynch into obvious claims?
But you will notice again he doesn't call JAT mafia (even with his earlier posts saying JAT was shady). Completely unlike what he did with marv.
JAT interacting with Yam
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2015 17:12 justanothertownie wrote:
@Yamato: No idea what your problem is. It should be apparent that I do not think the interactions tells us anything about chez alignment. Accusing him the way he did does not look good for prplhz but there is nothing to pressure here. In fact I would argue that me going against mig is the most pressure anyone in this game has applied so far btw.
Totally dismissive. "no idea what your problem is". Maybe his problem is that he's mafia but JAT doesn't seem concerned. Consider that before and shortly after this JAT called myself/marv/artanis mafia. But he never discuss Yam at all, even during the marv/yam argument where they are both calling each other mafia JAT never comments.
When he finally does comment on yam it is this.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I agree with you. Yamato never shows any doubt about the claims which is extremely irritating. And "lynch the jk, fine. I will have nothing to do with it though" also smells.
He doesn't say yam never showing doubt is suspicious, he says it is "irritating".
Tone wise it feels like these guys were going soft at each other, different from how they interacted with everybody else.
Add this to my earlier case, add this to the fact that JAT hasn't done anything the entire game. Just in the last day he has called fuba/boxer/FF all suspicious. But does anyone think hes even read a filter? He is great at hanging around in the thread and commenting on everybody's random posts but does anyone actually think hes scum hunting?
On June 06 2015 06:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think JAT might be mafia. He's commenting and giving opinions on everyone but he's not really pushing anyone. When we had our exchange he was commenting on the sidelines and saying things like "Let's just say Artanis is not impressing me by throwing poorly reasoned townreads around." He wasn't really trying to discern my alignment I feel, and I've felt that way about all of his posts so far. Commenting without digging.
Artanis even saw it earlier in the game.
JAT's entire defense when people are suspicious of him is marv town read me and look at my filter. I have read JAT's filter like 6 times, guy has done nothing that would make me call him town.
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##vote JAT
I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad.
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On June 11 2015 14:56 boxerfred wrote:
##vote JAT
I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad.
? explain?
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Mig, this is starting to get concerning. All you are doing is hiding behind a shit-tier case on me since day2. First it wasn't that bad because we were lynching chezinu anyways but this won't fly any longer. All the while you are conveniently ignoring the elephant in the room (boxerfred).
Your case on me boils down to things that are not about me. About how yamato acted towards me - I have no control about this and it is entirely possible that he goes soft on me because he knows that I tend to lynch him if he is scum (and that he cannot get me lynched anyways). I pushed him day1 in his last scumgame and only got off at the last second to lynch a teammate of his.
Not understanding why everyone is townreading me is no reason to scumread me. I have trouble believing you really went through my filter several times as town and found nothing that makes you think I am town. Either you are bsing or you are playing pretty terrible. People who are universally townread usually happen to be town just for that. And every good player in this game who played with me a lot townreads me. You brought Artanis post up. That was very early day1 and he clearly changed his mind later. Marv also read me as town which he never does if I am mafia.
Another point is vet balance. Even if we ignore that this is an absolute shit tier reason itself - bugs did not play or host or coach games since ages ago. He wouldn't even know how to balance his game. For him I am a new player. If we go with stupid arguments like this it would be much more likely that YOU are the scum vet.
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On June 11 2015 14:56 boxerfred wrote:
##vote JAT
I'm not even gonna defend myself, I played so bad.
Sure.
##Vote: boxerfred
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It is very possible that marv died because mig was in his poe scumlist and I called mig town earlier. If you want to push against me it is also very helpful to get rid of marv because with him in the game that will never work.
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Not that it will without him but if scum is dumb they might think it could.
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Another reason to kill marv is of course that I gave an ironclad reason for him to be town. Interestingly boxerfred asked me during the night why marv is town and when scum realizes that marv is unlynchable they shoot him. It is also a better shot than NaCl for example if boxer is scum and fuba is town because they might have thought NaCl would continue the fuba train today.
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If we lynch through this list:
Boxerfred, (Fuba), Mig
the game might be won already.
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If I am mafia and you were town why am I pushing you at all lol. Apparently I just pick the toughest targets possible. If I can't get you lynched my back up plan is NAcl!
Do you actually have any reason at all to think I am mafia or are you just talking complete shit because I am making a case against you?
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On June 11 2015 17:57 justanothertownie wrote:
It is also a better shot than NaCl for example if boxer is scum and fuba is town because they might have thought NaCl would continue the fuba train today.
You know this directly contradicts the idea that I am mafia since I defended fuba?
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On June 11 2015 17:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Another point is vet balance. Even if we ignore that this is an absolute shit tier reason itself - bugs did not play or host or coach games since ages ago. He wouldn't even know how to balance his game. For him I am a new player. If we go with stupid arguments like this it would be much more likely that YOU are the scum vet.
I am well aware the vet stuff is speculation and yea genius I know it would be more likely to mean I am scum, except wait for it.... I know I am town! Shocking!
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Look JAT, if you are town then I am way off base and I am sorry. But you yourself told me you were good. I went and read aperture and even though you are saying that I shouldn't use that game to judge you by, I thought you played quite well in it. You seemed to work really hard there. I havent seen you work here at all. I have seen you be incredibly arrogant and just constantly announce how you are unlynchable while doing literally 0 scum hunting.
So if you are town maybe try and actually look at things from my perspective instead of getting all indignant and emotional.
If I am right and you are mafia feel free to continue to act this way.
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Also I am sorry that I am not just taking marv's word as gospel for you being town, marv this same game was unsure and pretty much clueless day 1. Maybe you shot marv so you could use that exact argument and you wouldn't have to worry about marv rethinking things if you got another mislynch.
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On June 11 2015 18:34 Mig wrote:
Look JAT, if you are town then I am way off base and I am sorry. But you yourself told me you were good. I went and read aperture and even though you are saying that I shouldn't use that game to judge you by, I thought you played quite well in it. You seemed to work really hard there. I havent seen you work here at all. I have seen you be incredibly arrogant and just constantly announce how you are unlynchable while doing literally 0 scum hunting.
So if you are town maybe try and actually look at things from my perspective instead of getting all indignant and emotional.
If I am right and you are mafia feel free to continue to act this way.
If you tell me you read my filter several times and still say I did no scumhunting I will not continue this discussion with you. That is ridiculous. Especially since it is coming from you who has not done anything but a shit ass case on me since day1. Where is your scumhunting? All you do is push the most obvious towny in the game.
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On June 11 2015 18:22 Mig wrote:
If I am mafia and you were town why am I pushing you at all lol. Apparently I just pick the toughest targets possible. If I can't get you lynched my back up plan is NAcl!
Do you actually have any reason at all to think I am mafia or are you just talking complete shit because I am making a case against you?
Your case on me is more than enough to scumread you. Especially since it is your only contribution to this game since day1 and I know that you do not suck this hard as town.
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