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On June 11 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring. Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much.
Haha so fucking what? I wanted to know a lot from you, you don't care, you don't commit. I want you lynched. Badly. Get over it and keep on insulting, at this point I'm just laughing on the frustration you're trying to cause.
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On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely.
So WHAT EXACTLY MAKES YOU CONFIRMED TOWN BRO I asked that before and ask it again. Can't see it and as long as you don't care to explain, I don't see why you should go through with "YOU'RE SCUM OR DUMB TOWN" train you're pulling on everyone.
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On June 11 2015 19:31 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring. Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much. Haha so fucking what? I wanted to know a lot from you, you don't care, you don't commit. I want you lynched. Badly. Get over it and keep on insulting, at this point I'm just laughing on the frustration you're trying to cause.
That's fine keep laughing until you die as far as I am concerned.
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##unvote haha here's step 1 ....
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##vote justanothertownie KABOOM AGAIN HAHA
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On June 11 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. So WHAT EXACTLY MAKES YOU CONFIRMED TOWN BRO I asked that before and ask it again. Can't see it and as long as you don't care to explain, I don't see why you should go through with "YOU'RE SCUM OR DUMB TOWN" train you're pulling on everyone.
I never said I was CONFIRMED town. I said I am the most obvious town in the game and gave multiple reasons for it. The fact that you are conveniently ignoring all of the to start this ridiculous shitshow speaks for itself. I am done with this conversation - I do not need to convince you that you are scum.
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On June 11 2015 19:33 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:31 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:27 justanothertownie wrote:On June 11 2015 19:26 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. wait wait wait I thought we lynch me eh? You said "WE ARE GOING TO LYNCH YOU DAY THREE" and now you want to hear reasons on why not to vote me? Haha sure bro start committing to something already -.- you're boring. Are you dense? I want to know why mig does not want to lynch you. That in no way means that I do not want to lynch you. my vote on you should indicate as much. Haha so fucking what? I wanted to know a lot from you, you don't care, you don't commit. I want you lynched. Badly. Get over it and keep on insulting, at this point I'm just laughing on the frustration you're trying to cause. That's fine keep laughing until you die as far as I am concerned.
I'm actually interested in knowing who of the rest is really reading you town. That's far more interesting than reading your posts. Your posts are oneline bullshits, still.
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I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
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On June 11 2015 19:34 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote:On June 11 2015 19:24 justanothertownie wrote:
And I have no intention of being nice to you if you are pushing on me as scum or if you are being an idiot as town which are the only 2 possible worlds right now.
How about you do something productive instead and tell me why we should not lynch boxerfred? You seem to just ignore him and his wagon entirely. So WHAT EXACTLY MAKES YOU CONFIRMED TOWN BRO I asked that before and ask it again. Can't see it and as long as you don't care to explain, I don't see why you should go through with "YOU'RE SCUM OR DUMB TOWN" train you're pulling on everyone. I never said I was CONFIRMED town. I said I am the most obvious town in the game and gave multiple reasons for it. The fact that you are conveniently ignoring all of the to start this ridiculous shitshow speaks for itself. I am done with this conversation - I do not need to convince you that you are scum.
Okay so what makes you the most obvious town? 16 pages on oneliners and a push on me which is like the easiest thing to do? Or is it your awesome way of not answering questions raised to wards you? Or what? Let me know, share with us dumb peasants so we may get on your level you awesome sick playing obvious greatest townie of all lel
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Really am going to bed now.
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On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
Hoho and guess who has that? JAT! He has not commited to any unsafe plays, his only slip was a bigger post on Artanis. Tell me, WHO has JAT been going for? Where is the case he created on someone? Where did he actually follow through on someone besides, well, me? And even when going at me, he wishy-washed a lot of "Dunno if newb madness or scum play" and stuff like this. He's not committing to anything he could possibly be nailed upon later. He's scum.
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On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
That can only be true if you are seeing a reasonable town line of thought in his play. Since you admitted yourself that his case on me was horrible that is obviously not the case. And it is not like he had a choice about if he would fight with me and marv since we were the ones attacking him first.
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On June 11 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you. Hoho and guess who has that? JAT! He has not commited to any unsafe plays, his only slip was a bigger post on Artanis. Tell me, WHO has JAT been going for? Where is the case he created on someone? Where did he actually follow through on someone besides, well, me? And even when going at me, he wishy-washed a lot of "Dunno if newb madness or scum play" and stuff like this. He's not committing to anything he could possibly be nailed upon later. He's scum.
Yes, I am commiting to something. And it is lynching you today.
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At this point we are just lynching boxer and mig back to back and probably win. And if one of them happens to be just terrible town I won't even feel bad about it.
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On June 11 2015 19:36 Mig wrote:
I also wonder if a newbie mafia would fight with you and marv so much. Also, flipping from you being his #1 town read to scum read is either really horrible mafia play or something that a townie would do. Usually competent mafia are more careful with keeping their story straight and having a narrative that people cant shit on. Townies sometimes just flip flop randomly because they have real opinions that change.
I am not saying boxer is town to btw, these are just the little things that cause me more doubt about him than you.
It is interesting btw. that mig doesn't dare to call boxer town but when he named his paranoia worlds where I am not scum earlier boxer was not in there. Also he uses "boxer might be new" to justify not voting him but "experienced scum players are more careful" for something else. So what is it? Is he new and terrible or not? What he is doing is terrible regardless of alignment and mig admitted as much but he still says boxerfred is less likely mafia than me because he is being terrible. None of this makes any sense.
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Mig is also in no way trying to figure out this game. I just looked at his PYP LOL filter again which is the only game I ever played with him and where he was town. The difference is striking. He is asking good question and evaluating multiple players all the time - he never tunnels on one read. He is clearly trying to solve the game.
In this game however there are far less questions and those who are there are useless/bad. He also has not commented on anything besides me since day1. He is not trying to figure anything out. He is pushing his awful case on me and is happy with it despite it being obvious that he will not get me lynched. He isn't looking at anyone else or saying anything interesting whatsoever.
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I'm back.
First off, GGs Marv.
Second, I'm not sure I agree with you on fuba Mig, and there's one thing you are missing. Salty pointed this before but will say it again - in Carnaval he provided reads, and here he's not doing that, at least not as readily in Carnaval. Ironically you take the same quote you provided and in Carnival, he's getting somewhere based on information he has in front of him.
On June 11 2015 12:44 Mig wrote:Not feeling the case against fuba at all. The interaction around chez's lynch feels completely counter intuitive for how a mafia lurker fuba would play. He isn't hard defending chez but is more probing, asking questions etc. Why even bother if he were mafia and he thinks there is even a tiny chance that chez could be a cop when he is for sure going to be lynched? Just for town credit? In general people who lurk as mafia are more likely to coast and not worry about drawing attention to themselves to try and earn town cred. Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:21 fuba wrote:
Oh, and regarding the explanation for my BF read flipping:
In all honesty, the thing that swayed me most is that he just seemed genuine. That isn't typically an acceptable answer, so I tried to fluff it up with "reasoning" and such. This post feels super townie to me also. Mafia are more careful about being honest about things like this. Posts like this draw attention to mafia and you could see fuba instantly got shit about it. + Show Spoiler +On May 25 2015 08:27 fuba wrote:
Wishy-washiness is kind of my trademark town play (at least until end game). I used to post a lot more, but every time I would give a giant wall of wishy-washy reads I felt like I was painting a bulls-eye on my back, so I mostly try to think things through on my own now.
In an effort to contribute more, I'll try to get some legit reads into the thread by tomorrow. I don't work today, so I should have time to get it done. I wouldn't get your hopes up for definite town/scum reads, but at least I'll put some of my thoughts on "paper".
I'm up for a nb lynch. It's true that as a vet, it made little sense to claim during the night. The entire situation seems silly as either alignment, but that remains true. The fact that she was supposedly afraid of dying last night despite being sure that mafia wouldn't also attack her would seem to indicate that her fear was feigned. And she still hasn't explained how she flipped from geript/sandroba scum to sandroba scum + geript absolutely town. Despite being asked multiple times. Many of us had this little feeling that geript was actually town, but she seemed sure of it.
##Vote 17ninjabunnies You can see the same thing from fuba here in carnival as town. He openly admits to trying to craft his posts to avoid suspicion, which is generally a mafia trait but something mafia wont ever post because they don't want to draw attention to themselves.
There's nothing wrong with probing and asking questions but where are those questions leading? Here's a look at how he voted for Chezinu.
On June 10 2015 00:52 fuba wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 00:26 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 00:24 fuba wrote:On June 10 2015 00:18 justanothertownie wrote:On June 10 2015 00:15 Half the Sky wrote:
Someone (you marv?) said he had a hard time posting as scum and a quote like that with a response like that (second quote) makes me think (if what you are saying is correct) he's posting just to post.
That's the impression I get from reviewing those last two things of his filter.
He says Vayne is scummy and I'm having a tough time seeing why, you are having a tough time seeing why and then he says "I never said....etc....it's pretty much all I can say."
The quotes alone don't make him mafia but based on what you (or whoever said it) know about him, that he has trouble posting or in this case explaining his position on Vayne. Exactly. Right now, I'm still thinking BF is town. Though I'm gonna read his previous game to see if I get the same feeling from him there as I do here. And I have little idea about Vayne. The only thing I directly remember about him is his reaction to yamato flipping (which was either just an honest town reaction or scum wifom) and the fact that he reposted his post about me from our last game together (which would seem to indicate he's a survivor XD). So... my current VA read is a whole lot of *shrugs* Do you have any reads that do not consists only of shrugs? Mmmmmm mostly town reads. I'll put in the effort of deciding who, among people I don't know how to read, is scum, when the lynch isn't already decided. On that note: ##Vote ChezinuI want to see what his death promises us.
And then if for whatever reason he wanted to give Chezinu the benefit of the doubt, why didn't he explore other wagons? At least that would have been the expectation I had to some degree. Granted I think by the time a bunch of us were going back and forth on the whole thing with the Chez non-claim, Chez I think had nearly everyone on him, so I'm guessing (at least on this quote) that contributed to fuba backing down the way he did.
In any case, the sticking point is the lack of reads here with him. Right I get he's bringing out his weaknesses out in the open but why isn't he doing anything about it like he did in Carnaval?
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On fuba regarding the reads he has he has one read on BF and that was based on a change in tone (saying something was genuine). Thing is, BF has done loads since so commenting on the updated information would go a long way.
I also generally consider tone reads fairly weak.
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But that's just me, I know they carry some weight at the beginning of the game, when everyone is just getting started, but to consider that over some of the things BF may have done before and that others are bringing up makes me wonder how he thinks tone is stronger and how he's so sure that BF isn't fooling him. Especially when he voted him before on this -
On June 06 2015 15:59 fuba wrote:Sorry, I was really out of it today. First, regarding the claims... I can't find a reason to really disbelieve NaCl's claim. Was at least leaning town on him before it (mostly because of the case that people seem to agree seems accurate, though I haven't had the time to look into mig's previous games myself). That being said, I can't really decide what to make of Artanis's claim. My instinct is to believe him, though that instinct has bitten me in the ass before. Like prplhz said, his story does have a consistency to it that leads me to believe he's telling the truth. The fact that prplhz's view suddenly seemed to flip on the subject makes me... uncomfortable. Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 20:40 boxerfred wrote:On June 05 2015 18:10 Mig wrote:
boxerfred what do you think of me? Fecal?
Is your vote for yamato a serious one? You believe he's most likely to be scum just because he voted you? No thought on you or fecal thus far On yamato? Given that he lurks, only to make a vote on me, only to leave another short, lurky comment? Yeah could very well be. That's not too solid however. I tend to no-vote currently. I think I'd prefer to lynch this guy. Gives reasons to see yamato as scummy>says yamato could be scummy>backs off on it>prefers no-lynch over guy he thinks could be scum. I mean, I understand wishy-washiness better than anyone, but he definitely seems to just be coasting by. Like... if he'd really given enough thought to preferring a no-lynch over a yamato lynch, why didn't he then switch his vote? He seems to just be saying things to say things, giving the appearance of participation, and disappearing. ##Vote boxerfredGotta get some sleep, but I'll get up an hour or two early to read/talk.
And you could argue to some extent the same thing is happening with BF now.
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So who do you want to lynch HTS? BF or fuba?
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