[M][N] I Still Can't Believe it's not Themed Mafia - Page 82

On June 11 2015 04:14 marvellosity wrote:

I mean this in all seriousness, and not as a criticism of you, so please take it in the spirit it's intended (we'll assume you're town for now)

when you talk about someone, you need to be clear/concise about how what you're saying is more likely to come from a mafia perspective than a town perspective

this isn't the first time you've done this - you just comment on a series of posts and you create your own narrative.

Well, I (and also most other players in this game) can easily provide you with an alternative narrative.

A better case structure is as follows:

1. jat does this thing (1 or 2 quotes as evidence)
2. here's why it makes sense from a mafia perspective
3. here's why i don't think it's the town perspective
4. conclusion

On June 11 2015 04:14 justanothertownie wrote:
That boxerfred post is so remarkably shit that I consider lynching him over fuba.

On June 11 2015 04:07 boxerfred wrote:
Here you explain it. First sentence: what makes you so sure that NaCl's claim is a true one? That is a slight TMI call to me. You hide it nicely, talking about setup speculation which at this point is likely to keep everyone busy. However while you strongly doubt Artanis' claim, you don't put a second thought onto NaCl's claim being a fake one. Why not? Why are you so sure that his claim is real? Does it make that much sense for a Doctor to claim D1, even if Artanis' claim was fake for real (which is something that salty could not know). You're experienced, why didn't you identify that CC just as a play to test the waters (hell even I did that)?

Next you say, "the situation is the following". Holy hell it's D1 and you cannot possibly know what drives people to do what they do. Yet you construct a theory that is terribly wrong. Next bolded part: "Artanis had weak scum games in the past. Now he's pulling an absolutely sick move!" How does that make sense? Like: "meta says Artanis sucks as scum but I'm sure he's rocking it this time!"

On June 11 2015 04:26 fuba wrote:

You're quite a joy to play with.

Not that I think I'm any better to play with, mind you, but for different reasons.



Not sure how to respond to what's been said about me. I have absolutely no idea what chez was doing at all, because it definitely seemed to me as though he was saying that when he flipped, marv would be in trouble. That, along with the comment about millers, made me think he was claiming something (specifically cop). His play that day seemed to be from the perspective of a cop who had a red check on marv. I have a lot of trouble understanding how no one else at least caught glimpses of this.

Actually, didn't someone say something about chez and mad hatters? Like "cut it out with this mad hatter shit" or something? Thought it was prplhz, but I didn't see it in his filter.

Oh, it was mig. So at least one other person saw some sort of claim in chez's play. Guess that means I'm not completely insane.

On June 11 2015 04:31 boxerfred wrote:


1. jat does only oneliners, has a huge misread on Artanis which I don't think would come from such an experienced player.
2. jat does a TMI-ish call on NaCl (yamato got hanged for a similar one on artanis)
3. a filter of oneliners is not townish
4. thus he's scummy



ad 1: this is not a meta read but a "he's not very townie in the majority of his posts". note that "not very townie != scummy"

ad 2: okay I can get that, but what about my TMI argument on NaCl's claim? The bolded part?

On June 11 2015 04:32 boxerfred wrote:

Yeah feels like I did what I said I'd do: post not so often but put more effort in my posts and think things out. Keep on not answering. You're my top vote by now.

On June 11 2015 04:35 Half the Sky wrote:


We went through this already. We expected a hardclaim based on him saying he had to afk even though it was 5h approx prior to EoD. Question after question we threw at him because no one could tell, I looked up his history to compare and test the "riddle" theory you brought up. Both FF and I read filters God knows how many times. And Mig I think said quite the opposite rightly or wrongly and voted him saying he wouldn't forget a game he was dt, he's screwing around or whatever, so that statement doesn't hold unless I misunderstood it.

On June 11 2015 04:28 justanothertownie wrote:

Well, the hatter thing was obviously because of the vid he posted where he said if he dies marv will also die. However there was no indication whatsoever that chez could be cop ever.

On June 11 2015 04:40 fuba wrote:

And my thought was that he simply went a step farther. Once chez dies as cop, we will see that he was cop, and lend more proof to his read on marv. Obviously I was incorrect, but the fact that no one else even saw it as a possibility really confuses me.

In any case, I still don't see how it makes me scum. Like, I'm having trouble seeing my play this game from a scum perspective. Am I more likely to think chez is cop if I'm scum? Am I more likely to even lightly defend BF as scum (though that is a read I'll have to reexamine going into D3)? And given that everyone considers my reasons for reads to be shitty, why wouldn't I just make a shitty fake scumread on someone?

Oh, and while I'm thinking about it, I didn't just take artanis's claim at face value. I thought about it for quite a while. So the only "absolute" thing I've said was about chez. And I still have trouble seeing why he would say/do those things as a VT.

1. jat does only oneliners, has a huge misread on Artanis which I don't think would come from such an experienced player.
2. jat does a TMI-ish call on NaCl (yamato got hanged for a similar one on artanis)
3. a filter of oneliners is not townish
4. thus he's scummy