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On June 07 2015 08:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 08:38 boxerfred wrote:
Artanis, are you still claiming Jailor? Why did you hardclaim Jailor in the first place? Nope, I'm unclaiming it. Well documented.
Mind to re-elaborate?
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Yeah but did the ruse pay off?
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On June 07 2015 08:47 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean we would have never caught yamato without the fakeclaim, so there is that.
haha yeah
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thoughts on vayne, anyone?
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well good night people, seeya tomorrow.
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On June 08 2015 02:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 01:26 NaCl`y wrote:On June 07 2015 22:43 marvellosity wrote:
I don't care if I repeated or not, it's what I think ^^
it could be chez, but it could be several ppl really.
Who are these other people you speak of? I think these people are town: 1.marvellosity 2.justanothertownie 3. NaCl`y 4.prplhz 7. Alakaslam 13. Artanis[Xp] slam is kinda squeezy in betweeny, but i'd still be surprised if he were mafia. so anyone not in that list basically
why are you in that list do you need to point something out?
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On June 07 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? Like this entire post is conditional on yamato flipping mafia, which might be TMI-ish here.
Which part of that post is TMI (I read TMI as "too much information", correct?)?
Like, where is the part where I'm talking about something I'm not supposed to know?
I more and more get the feeling your shittalk with yamato was orchestrated.
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On June 08 2015 06:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 05:58 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? Like this entire post is conditional on yamato flipping mafia, which might be TMI-ish here. Which part of that post is TMI (I read TMI as "too much information", correct?)? Like, where is the part where I'm talking about something I'm not supposed to know? I more and more get the feeling your shittalk with yamato was orchestrated. Is marv scummy for that read?
Yes
On June 08 2015 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
yes, i can see you're trying to strengthen making something out of nothing, you've been at it a while
not even caring to answer
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On June 08 2015 07:01 NaCl`y wrote:
to what
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On June 08 2015 03:37 NaCl`y wrote:
Boxerfred, what made you go so hardcore on Yamato compared to say, FecalFeast or Fuba. Fuba and Yamato had similar reactions to each other in regards to the claims and Fuba was also shutting down your yamato reads. Why has he not featured in anything you have said at all the entire game? Surely he'd be one of your top suspects since the yamato flip, no? Also fecalfeast did much the same complaints as yamato and you never mentioned him at all.
What made you pick yamato over the others? Similarly with your VayneAuthority read, why does what he say make him mafia but not a towny who just dislikes the way Yamato77 played? Why do you jump to such odd conclusions.
I would also like you to explain why you referenced all of your scum reads in accordance with Yamato77 flipping mafia before he did so.
ah this
he voted me and I don't like people voting me. That made me go at him. I had prepared a piece on fuba, too because he jumped to help yamato. later I saw he pressured yamato too so I said "well fuck this go into yamato filter".
but let's go through it one by one:
What made you pick yamato over the others?
- his vote on me
Similarly with your VayneAuthority read, why does what he say make him mafia but not a towny who just dislikes the way Yamato77 played?
- his appearance EoD compared with his very low post count. He posts seldomly but then drops by to say twice how fucked up yamato is? feels scummy.
I would also like you to explain why you referenced all of your scum reads in accordance with Yamato77 flipping mafia before he did so.
Ya sure. At this point I was voting yamato and I was quite sure he'd be scum. Following that theory, I try to find the person that I feel like made plays that may match it. If you think that was a TMI call, well can't help with that. You can ofc lynch me and then check out who started that bus on me (oh it's marv who I think is at least scummy).
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feel free to ask more questions, I'll be around another 10 mins or so and then in like 8-10 hours again. almost 0:30 here in germany, am
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meanwhile, I want Vayne to answer my questions
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On June 07 2015 21:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2015 06:57 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:53 justanothertownie wrote:On June 07 2015 06:38 boxerfred wrote:On June 07 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:53 yamato77 wrote:On June 06 2015 07:48 justanothertownie wrote:On June 06 2015 07:46 yamato77 wrote:
Okay, JAT, we'll make assumptions about a closed setup and then blame balance and stupid hosting postgame when you're wrong and you lynched a fucking protective role that wasn't even directly counterclaimed.
Why should I not believe Artanis' claim? And unless NaCl is literally suicidal, why the fuck would he do this as mafia? You need to answer these questions rather than just scream your assumptions in the thread. Yes, doing this would be suicidal as NaCl. That's why we are lynching Artanis who made a claim that as town made no fucking sense at all and outed a powerrole in the process. It makes a lot of sense if you believe he's just fucking mafia. The crumb is obvious, and not something I think scum Artanis does very often. Town Artanis feels pressured, town Artanis feels like his role is outed anyway, so he claims. Is it really such a difficult sequence of events to understand? This is what I dislike the most about yamato. Even if we ignore that the crumb is not obvious to anyone else he just assumes that town Artanis felt pressured and claimed because of that. How on earth is it even possible to reach this conclusion with the way the claim went down when Artanis said something like "I am bored.... btw I am JK" to claim for example? It looks like he knows that Artanis is town. That's exactly the point I raised when I pointed to the "what a dumb play"-quotes of yamato. Could you explain your other scumleans? Not with quoted posts, no. Tomorrow I'll do that, but I'm way too tired to do this now. My Artanis' scum read comes mainly from your post. I like the idea of "too experienced for a dumb move so that might be a scum claim". Fuba since he went at me when I started going on yamato. However he rather early went on Yamato, too, so that weakens my read. That's why I lean him null with a scum tendency and not scum. Marv, because he got in that fight with yamato and that felt way over the top. Was that sufficient? Like this entire post is conditional on yamato flipping mafia, which might be TMI-ish here.
On June 07 2015 21:22 marvellosity wrote:
boxerfred's filter is weird because it goes
1. joke (?) vote on yamato
2. "i dunno who to lynch" - #nolynch
3. ...............
4. KILL YAMATO FOR ALL THESE REASONS
5. These guys might all be mafia because unflipped yamato has certain associations with them
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On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
what's your point? jat/salty came first...
shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets.
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so good night now, gonna be around tomorrow.
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oh also, I completely forgot about saltys questions and simply thought you'd be the first to start. jat's stuff didn't feel like a scum read towards me.
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On June 08 2015 07:35 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. What do you mean by buying bus tickets?
bad metaphor for "he's bussing me"
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On June 08 2015 07:37 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read I suddenly fear for my life 
well screw it. im not scum and im trying my best to prove it. if you think im scum, go lynch me.
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On June 08 2015 07:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 07:34 boxerfred wrote:On June 08 2015 07:31 marvellosity wrote:
what's your point? jat/salty came first... shame that jat is like my top town read and salty appears quite townie to me, too. also, salty asked questions which makes it seem like he wants to come to a certain point and a conclusion while all you do is say "looks scummy" without even trying to elaborate further. salty asked decent questions, you seem to be content with sitting there, buying bus tickets. ah, so now it's about the phrasing of the stuff, glad to have cleared that up do i need to particularly interrogate you when someone else is already doing so? would that make you happy?
It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. You're just holding your barrel at me, not even caring about anything else.
Besides your scum read on me, what do you think about Vayne and my stuff on him? What do you think about fuba, given that Artanis claimed to have him blocked? Any more reads on potential scum?
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On June 08 2015 18:56 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2015 16:28 boxerfred wrote:
It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. You see, I'm trying to collaborate. You're just holding your barrel at me, not even caring about anything else.
Actually can't get over how bad this interpretation is, gonna dissect it for my own amusement Show nested quote +It's not about the phrasing. It's about a point. In my first game, my coach advised me to not only ask random questions or do "he's scummy" statements, but actually try to work towards a point or a conclusion which would help set up a picture of someone that is as bulletproof as it gets. You're not trying to do that. Totally irrelevant to anything? It's like criticising a tennis player for preferring to rally on the baseline or something, it means nothing to anything Show nested quote +You take out one post out of my filter, put it in the only context where it looks even remotely scummy and insist that this post is a huge TMI blow that I made. The "only" context it looks "remotely scummy"? You mean it's a fucking beacon of townie shining light otherwise? You make a bunch of reads conditional on yamato being mafia, it doesn't take much putting in context. And I was 3rd to the punch! You keep attacking me for it, yet not the others before me, but we'll come to that... Also "a huge TMI blow"? I think my wording at the time was "this may be TMI-ish". Exaggeration much? Show nested quote + I already answered Salty's questions. Then, I answered the ones you raised, explaining why I went for you and not for Salty or JAT. Yes, you answered the latter by going "I find these two people townie, so the points they make that are identical to yours are fine. Because I don't find you townie, these points that these 2 townies already mentioned are scummy coming from you." Yes, that doesn't make sense, sorry. You're going after me for points that aren't even mine because I'm the only one you can go after. But there is no logical sense behind it. lol
Three ways to go on:
a) you continue to pick away at my post, not asking a single question, interpreting things the worst way possible.
b) you actually start asking questions that lead to a convincing point
c) people just lynch me, I'll flip VT and boom scum shines.
I don't even care about your answers at this point. You still did not say a single thing that sounds remotely like an indication of me being scum, yet you follow your read hardcore. Sounds like bussing to me.
When you bring up sentences with a question mark again, I'll answer to what you're saying.
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