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Also the points about my notes are pretty funny.
I use language like IMO internally because I like qualifying things that I have seen vs what other players have seen. E.g. originally I had you, tube, as town but based on other people's reads I changed my mind. In addition as I intended to give the reads out I changed the wording so it would be easier for other players to understand. If it was entirely in my own shorthand it would be far less useful to other players because I would have to actively explain what things mean
Thanks for falling into my trap, though. Maybe the next time hou roll scum I can coach you on how not to get caught like this.
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The most troubling thing about this is that my bat-senses have literally never once been right.
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Yeh the world tubes is set in is way convoluted and doesn't make sense at all. Most sensible world is a LS+ bill/tubes/foot team imo.
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Also him not having another scum read LOL
He was also around just now. He spends so much time crafting posts and they come out like that. Like wtf. Do townies really have to think all that hard? Just to come up with such useless drivel?
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Your notes could be an attempt to be more readable with town motivation.
Personally, I like the notes that are a little cryptic. There is value in finding the people who are inquisitive and searching for the truth. Finding scum is most important, but finding towns is also very important.
But I'm too chicken to point suspicion your way so I'm going to be off for a few hours and then shortly on and off again till later tonight.
The good thing is when bill/tubes/foot all flip town the game won't be over.
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So if you think two other players are town shouldn't it merely be a matter of elimination to find scum?
Assume I am not scum. Who are the other two? Even if I am scum, who's the third?
How about townies? Who are your best town reads?
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Don't worry your pretty shiny little head I'll make it clear who my scumreads and best towns are before I am lynched in 2 days.
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Should lynch BM day 2 because my list had him scummy
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I might just sheep MVP Onegu for the rest of the game.
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On June 11 2015 02:14 batsnacks wrote:
I might just sheep MVP Onegu for the rest of the game.
Damn Straight. Bout time this happened and people realized IR AWESOME!!!
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On June 11 2015 02:19 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2015 02:14 batsnacks wrote:
I might just sheep MVP Onegu for the rest of the game. Damn Straight. Bout time this happened and people realized IR AWESOME!!!
I've known this for a while you were number 2 on my power rank.
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I have 3.5 hours till my flight...
Tube is 100% scum this game.
Here's what he said in Newbie Mini LX when he rolled town:
On January 05 2015 15:15 Tubesock wrote:
Oh, yeah I should clarify, I absolutely agree we should lynch day 1. Even as a mlynch we gain a lot of information from who pushes what wagons, or any shenannies etc. And that also why I don't think policy lynches are good ideas, You really don't gain any information at all from them.
I'm just letting you all know, I think my D1 reads are going to be trash. I'm probably only going to have a lynch/no-lynch list which will evolve as I gain confidence/evidence for my reads to solidify to town/mafia.
Compare that to this game where the dude was like yeah this is clearly policy
On June 10 2015 05:37 Tubesock wrote:
##Vote: Stutters695
Pure Policy.
Bill, my points about the smurf is that there are several scenarios where it is beneficial to town to not know the smurf's identity. There are also some that benefit mafia. Bugs only considers 1 such scenario and has pushed it pretty consistently.
So far no town points to anyone who sees the benefits to have a Holyflare type player smurfing. Both if he wanted to try hard or not. See that, and you'll see why it's beneficial to mafia to out the smurf.
and like this
On June 10 2015 17:04 Tubesock wrote:
Fuck yeah I'm fine with a lynch on a modkill when I think the lynch is policy which is essentially 50/50. With 2 hours left too I figured he would probably vote. Lots of people show up close to EoD. As far as I was concerned I was willing to wait for more certainty on LS as he was 50/50 to me, and the remainders were just as likely to flip town as mafia. So I'm happy with voting a modkill to avoid the 50% of lynching 2 towns.
I am also completely fine with a no lynch if the wagons were people I had at 50%.
The more time town has the more difficult it is for mafia to win. It's a race against time.
I think he's our best lynch now
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like literally his only saving grace is his bold stupidity in thread, but given that he isn't so boldly wrong as town I doubt he's town here
as town he at least has the semblance of reads and I would not mind playing with him at all. Here I just want him to stop talking because I actually feel embarrassed for his thought process if he were to flip town
Compare a post like this
On March 04 2015 03:48 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2015 03:38 rsoultin wrote:
Tube, I'd rather hear your reads. Your idea wasn't terrible, but the longer you hide behind that list, the more townie points you're losing. Rayn, Toad, Geript are pretty obvious towns. You're town too, although I feel like Eden would scum you for having a low emote to post ratio. You have been interacting quite a bit. Mocsta is town for his zealousness going against Epiphany. I think Epiphany is town too because he reminds me of Jarjar stubbornly holding onto his equation (device and how to shoot plan). Keirathi, Sandroba, Robik (until a just a moment ago), Sicklucker haven't done anything. I'm scumming them for that. I have a tinfoil hat theory on how to read Sicklucker, so if a couple pieces fall together for him I could town him. Rereading Your Mom, I don't really see anything, but reading Rayn's cases and arguments I'm basically sold he's/she's mafia. Rayn is pretty convincing and I'm strongly townreading him.
to almost any of tube's posts this game, good examples are the following two:
On June 10 2015 02:28 Tubesock wrote:
I'm not voting LS today. MafiaLS as time goes by gets more and more obvious. Most of you know this.
I want to lynch Bugs make no mistake about it.
IF we are going to policy lynch I'll possibly vote for Onegu, Shockey or Stutters. I've already said why on Onegu, I'd prefer Stutters over Shock simply if we are doing a policy then might as well do the lurkiest.
@BM I think it doesn't benefit town as much if a player with a strong town rep wants to smurf and play lazy. Other than they will survive (OH MY GOD I MUST KNOW FOOT IS A HYDRA!!!!) night 1. Course I kinda think that they won't be able to help themselves and still solve the game D2/3 which is also good for town.
Anyway, off to work but will be checking in periodically.
On June 09 2015 15:28 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2015 15:18 FreezingFoot wrote:On June 09 2015 15:06 Tubesock wrote:
I'll just feel super dirty if Onegu is mafia seeing if we have the balls to lynch him for not playing into his silly VT claim meta...If he did/does claim VT then yeah total coinflip. You can see it the other way around Would Onegu, a guy that loves to play as mafia, refrain from claiming VT just to get town read? Most of the scum reads on him are because of this VT thing and I'm not sure why this is being taken so seriously. I would go as far as to say I think he is playing more similar to his town meta than his scum meta. He is being useless/uninterested, which is exactly how he plays as town I'm not so sure it's being taken that serious. When I talk about him in my last couple posts its in relation to having the choice of the lurkers/plynched. I completely agree that Onegu is useless and uninterested and that's his typical town game. I even mentioned earlier how I would lynch a try hard Onegu. But compared to 2 other players who between the two have 5 posts...the no claim thing is as good as any heuristic.
The difference is night and day, in that first post from JOAT tube gives concrete reasons for everything he thinks and says, even if not all of it is completely fleshed out.
These last two posts from this game...the differences are minor (like not as clear as the differences in LS's play) but here like...why the hell did he focus only on the people who didn't post instead of commenting on any of the various players who actually did post?
Like, as town, is tube scared of commenting on people who have posted a lot? He said he wanted to get me lynched (no doubts about it!) but he ignored commenting on me aside from the smurf business. I really doubt any townie would be fixated on that so hard they ignore everything else.
In addition as town tube has demonstrated the willingness to comment on other players he thinks is town. In this game to some extent he has done that, e.g. with Shockey and BM and FF. However most of the other players he has no comments on, and most of his reads are really really bad. There is very little specificity in his posts.
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Tubesock ignore Mr. Shiny head for a sec and tell me your reads.
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LOL I have no patience to catch up with this properly.
I've skimmed very quickly, and I think that bugs is town because I don't think he would come back to the thread when things weren't clear and hard push a scum partner to get him lynched.
I think tubesock isn't mafia for the way he is answering you, bugs. He is putting a lot of effort into those answers. As mafia, he wouldn't need to do that at night unless he is afraid of being a target of witchcraft. I haven't read him properly, though. He sounded townie to me on day1.
I think Bill is mafia for trying to vote Stutters right at the end. It was completely antitown and I don't see it coming from town perspective. I mean, if the lynch is decided and he thinks it's better to lynch someone and places his vote on LS, why trying to change it to the town target who is about to be modkilled? It looked to me like a failed attempt of getting a no-lynch.
I don't know what to do with batsnacks, his posts seems fluid/trollish like his normal townplay, but his vote on LS looked opportunistic to me. I can see him doing that to gain town cred (even with bill's unvote, LS had 7 votes before batsnacks got back to him). And it worked.
Kickstart was a town read but I hated his reaction post-lynch. His hypeness felt forced and he threw all his reads to make associative ones. For example, he is reading me as scum because I hard defended LS, and isn't dropping it for anything. More than that, he is completely just calling me scum without actually looking through the rest of my gameplay, without actually trying to engage in a conversation with me (like bugs is doing).
His associative reads feels very opportunistic to me, specially to call me (his townread) scum and bats totally town. Unflipped association: I can see batsnacks and kickstart being scum if Bill isn't. His reads based solely on the lynch is the easiest shit for mafia to follow on.
I think Breshke is very lackluster and has a good shot on being scum if those I've just said aren't. You can say his posts are fluid, and I agree, but I don't remember anything of importance that he did in this game. He is basically talking to people and taking no stance.
Yamato is probably town after his big post. I remember him playing as mafia. He once didn't send KP because he was disinterested in the game. I'd rather give him the benefit of doubt for now.
Shockey is completely lackluster and could still be scum.
Onegu is being Onegu. We either policy lynch him or let him live until later. I have this thing of not wanting to lynch him based on his standard gameplay as either alignment, but I did the same thing to LS. I can't read these people although I have some hints that he might be town (he is completely useless in this game, which is usually his town meta - when he is scum he actually influences the thread to the direction he wants)
PS: I also think Kickstart looks bad for looking at only that I hard defended a scum but forgetting that I tried all day long to lynch Bill who is his strongest scumread, and putting us in the same team. He is basically saying that I was hard defending my scum mate to lynch my other scum mate when the second wagon up to lynch was also town (Stutters).
I think I forgot noone.
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Ive addressed all your "concerns" about me. Really don't care to go through it again now that I've been for 30+ hours.
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On June 11 2015 05:01 Kickstart wrote:
Ive addressed all your "concerns" about me. Really don't care to go through it again now that I've been for 30+ hours.
Please quote because I didn't see it.
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