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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Cop and priest check me tonight. If I don't turn up green on both lynch me. Simple. Almost every single one of you sheep think I am scum. So what's to lose? I promise to still contribute what I think on non Bugs players even since you all seem to think he's so town. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:47 Tubesock wrote: I'm willing to take the 7/8 odds that I am not miller. Cop and priest check me tonight. If I don't turn up green on both lynch me. Simple. Almost every single one of you sheep think I am scum. So what's to lose? I promise to still contribute what I think on non Bugs players even since you all seem to think he's so town. or we could not do this. Can you tell me about some other players now? | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
It's cute that you think you know my schedule because my tag is the United States. I spend more time outside the US than I do inside it. It's just another weak thing you are trying to pile on without thinking of other possibilites. Your motivation is purely to look town. Oh yeah you said I posted EoD but my last post was 2 hours prior to the end. When I was on Stutters he was the lead. LS was being pushed sure, but I already said why I wasn't going to vote him. Funny how my read on LS was "shit". My read was literally null with the knowledge that on Day 2/3 it would be pretty obvious. That's exactly what I said. I named 3 who I would policy lynch. Shockey and Stutters were literally equal to me with the exception that stutters had fewer posts. So I stuck on Stutters. Fuck yeah I'm fine with a lynch on a modkill when I think the lynch is policy which is essentially 50/50. With 2 hours left too I figured he would probably vote. Lots of people show up close to EoD. As far as I was concerned I was willing to wait for more certainty on LS as he was 50/50 to me, and the remainders were just as likely to flip town as mafia. So I'm happy with voting a modkill to avoid the 50% of lynching 2 towns. I am also completely fine with a no lynch if the wagons were people I had at 50%. The more time town has the more difficult it is for mafia to win. It's a race against time. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:59 Breshke wrote: or we could not do this. Can you tell me about some other players now? Like who? | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:45 Breshke wrote: I really don't like this. Why are you still talking about the smurf thing no one cares about it anymore It also seems absurd that you just say he writes stuff to see townie yet don't show exactly where. Like explain WHY what he wrote is only posting to seem town and not because he is actual town. Being wrong isn't a scum tell but saying someone who voted and pushed mafia isn't trying to solve the game while you voted on a policy lynch seems dumb. I think the smurf thing was a show to look towny. He continues to push it. I'm saying he isn't looking at more than one angle of his argument because he isn't motivated to find the truth, he's motivated to look towny. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On June 10 2015 16:46 Breshke wrote: Even if LS didn't want to play I think his partners tell him to at least try D1 so they can use his KP. If he refused this then he is a dick and shouldn't have sighed up and I don't think LS would do that. That's very possible. But what if you have 2 mafia players who feel comfortable projecting town and can likely get and win votes? Sure, having that blue snipe ability is nice, but I think it pays off to bus a mate who will die in a day or two anyway. If I were mafia I would bus LS just like Bugs did. At least try to anyway. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Anyone On June 10 2015 17:06 Tubesock wrote: I think the smurf thing was a show to look towny. He continues to push it. I'm saying he isn't looking at more than one angle of his argument because he isn't motivated to find the truth, he's motivated to look towny. Can you show me where he has activly pushed the smurf thing recently. On June 10 2015 17:11 Tubesock wrote: That's very possible. But what if you have 2 mafia players who feel comfortable projecting town and can likely get and win votes? Sure, having that blue snipe ability is nice, but I think it pays off to bus a mate who will die in a day or two anyway. If I were mafia I would bus LS just like Bugs did. At least try to anyway. Then those two mafia members project town. Make the lynch not on LS use his blue snipe and then do whatever they want. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On June 10 2015 10:22 wherebugsgo wrote: + Show Spoiler + btw FF I hope that lynch did not discourage you from posting. If you are town the last thing you should do is disappear at this time. If you indeed don't spend this time talking to me, I'll have to list you as a scumread. If I die I hope the town is not dumb enough to let you go quietly. Partly the reason is because I won't be around ~3 hours before lynch, because I will be boarding a plane. Indeed, I probably won't be around after the lynch either so the next ~6 hours or so and maybe early morning tomorrow is the best time for me to get as much information out of every player to provide the best I can before my time in the game ends. So, let's talk. Convince me why you're not scum. Convince me of your best two reads right now. I know you think BM is mafia, you've argued that point through and through. Let's assume BM is either dead or town. Who else would you pick? I want reasons. I also want specifics and the details behind your thought process. Lastly, since I think this would be very useful, I want you to claim your identity so I can read your past games.+ Show Spoiler + If any of you disagree that meta would be useful in this situation, please go ahead and reread my case on LS, and tell me exactly why a smurf FF in this situation would be doing us a favor by not telling us his identity. My comparisons between LS's countless town games and his really mediocre mafia play was a significant driving force behind my confidence in the lynch, and I would expect that a town smurf would understand the implications of having more information on the table. From page 9 of his filter. Just prior to his post to me and after you and him talked blue powers. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I liked ShoCkeys last few posts. I do not have a 3rd scumspect just yet. But I have 2.5 days to find it before I get lynched. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:38 Tubesock wrote: From page 9 of his filter. Just prior to his post to me and after you and him talked blue powers. Ehh, he is doing other stuff aswell though and he isn't saying your scum if you don't out its more like tell me who you are so i can try read you better. Which to me comes across as trying to solve the game which is the opposite of what you seem to think. I have foot narrowed down to 4 people probably two that are much more likely. I'm smurfhunting more than scumhunting oops | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
On June 10 2015 17:41 Tubesock wrote: I think bats is town for how he behaved at the lynch. I also agree with his "dumbtell" idea that BM did, but I also think BM is town and have for awhile. I liked ShoCkeys last few posts. I do not have a 3rd scumspect just yet. But I have 2.5 days to find it before I get lynched. If BM is town it's definitely not because of the "dumb tell" lol BAT TRAPS(TM) snare another mafia | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On June 10 2015 07:48 FreezingFoot wrote: Fuck this After LS flips green, lynch BM and if he flips red, lynch bugs for calling him mafia but refusing with all his guys to lynch Bill This post alone sounds scummy as he tries to paint scum as town and town as scum. Then he doesn't help his case with his lasts posts to "defend himself", which he still hasn't even been around. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486363-witchcraft-mini-mafia-iii?user=FreezingFoot&page=5 | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On June 10 2015 23:05 Kickstart wrote: Tubes not making any sense to me but maybe its cause I've been up for like 24 hours. Pick any post or points in a post that you have a question on and tell me why it's confusing. I'll be around for just under 2 hours. What do you people as mafia value more: one conditional kp with whatever chances they are to land this game, or being essentially confirmed town? It's a little different but a recent game Sicklucker orbed mafiamatePalmar to death for no real reason. Then rode that confirmed status to mafia victory. Palmar was not under pressure aside for being good and alive of being lynched. Sicklucker wasn't under abnormal pressure either. While I don't think Palmar represented additional kp, they still sacrificed him. Town there didn't have a chance. LightningStrike flat out admitted he wasn't motivated to play scum. Fucking tell me that mafia would not consider busing him D1. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
But if I thought, or had a mate I thought could go super town I'd chase that power vote. Bugs is doing all sorts of showy town things. Like here: Others noticed it. + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2015 07:26 Kickstart wrote: Yeh, less feigned concerned about the flip now thanks. And even you commented on it. + Show Spoiler + On June 10 2015 07:28 batsnacks wrote: Why are you concerned at all if you're 90% confident that is overwhelming confidence for a d1 lynch? If LS flips town and you could instantly take it back and lynch someone else today who would you choose? He also "rage quit" due to "people not playing". Then comes back and says: On June 10 2015 06:41 wherebugsgo wrote: alright, done throwing a tantrum and I'm going to play to my win condition now. This looks fake to me. Town would just start playing again, no need to announce it. FAKE FAKE FAKE Look at his google doc. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18hJSlotqO9cGIaINjn3EQtuMrxz1p6SH_G4algS3Otk/edit#gid=0 Those are written for us to think he's town not for him to keep track of people and figure out the game. He displays transparency, paranoia, and definitive reads. But notice how all the paragraphs are full sentences, easy for others to digest, and in all the towns most the stuff he writes is how they could be scum too and he's not sure. Except for Breshke. In one of them he puts "mafia can't fake this IMO". Seriously, in your own notes you are telling yourself it's in your opinion? This shit is so fake. A Town writer KNOWS this entire note is in their own opinion. This is purely to sway town to think he's town. He then adds "w/e fuck it don't get paranoid" on his last. He has to point out to us he is paranoid like that Honest Bob's Car Sales down the road is honest. Town doesn't need to tell others they are paranoid, it comes out. He's saying that so we see it and look at his entries and add town points to him. Bugs is consistently telling us he is being towny. Town doesn't fucking have to do that. They are just town. Pure show. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
"this guy just found and lynched mafia... he must be mafia!" Is not a sensible way for town to scum hunt it doesn't matter if something vaguely similar happened and succeeded in the past. | ||
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Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Of the three I think FF is the most likely to be town. The thing that blows my mind is that one of them has to be town. Like, legitimately this is how one of these dudes plays as town. The least shitty play is FF so I would feel the worst about killing him. And actually on reread I don't mind FF much at all. Tube on the other hand has some of the fakest aggression I've ever seen. Why the hell would a townie's only suspicion following a scum flip be the dude that ended up getting the scum wagon started? He doesn't finger anyone and indeed hus best reads were both 50/50. Notice how he says he thought both LS and Stutters were coin flips. The excuse that je would rather lynch the modkill than two townies is complete bullshit because he never once indicated that he recognized that type of situation before the lynch. I unfortunately have no time to read into Tube's 5 games because I need to eat pack and leave but I just can't see his responses here being town motivated. They make so little sense from a town perspective, why would you purely discredit the towniest person in the game instead of even attempting to work with them? After being so utterly wrong I would expect townies to at least have a bit of incredulity or doubt but Tubes doesn't show any doubt whatsoever that I am scum. That doesn't add up. How the fuck can you be so wrong on day 1 and yet have 0 doubt afterward | ||
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