[M][N]Holy Guardians Chapter 1 - Page 4

On June 06 2015 13:40 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You know I think I've got this game 99% solved

My continued townreads:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Milo
Nydus
Fideu
sicluck(shendel)

Upper-Null:
Chocolate
VE
Damdred

Lower-Null:
Onegu
Scott

Mafia:
Tictock

Honestly I think after we lynch Tictock we just start killing up the list. I am more inclined to believe that my townread on VE was a bit hasty, and I continue to not really have a strong read on chocolate but I just like the vibe I get from reading his posts.

With regards to Scotts vs Damdred's large posts the past couple pages, I actually liked some of Damdred's points and the general direction he pushed. I can't say I got a scummy vibe from Scotts but I didn't get a townie vibe either. Onegu just hasn't done anything.

There is probably one mafia hiding in my town reads//upper null reads.

At this point my priority is getting Tictock lynched. The rest of you should start focusing on Onegu/Scott/Damdred/VE/Chocolate. I believe the rest of the mafia team lies in there.

On June 06 2015 13:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I have nothing on VE, he might even be below Damdred at this point. It just seems like he has tunneled Chocolate the entire game TBH for reasons I never really picked up on.

This list is more accurate:

Town:
Kickstart
Ritoky
Milo
Fideu
Sickluck(shendel)
Nydus

Upper-null:
Damdred
Chocolate
VE

Lower-null:
Scott
Onegu

Mafia:
Tictock

On June 06 2015 13:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
In fact, several people have intimated suspicion that if Chocolate is mafia then GG is mafia with him. Maybe we SHOULD lynch Chocolate today. Nah.

On June 06 2015 19:44 Onegu wrote:
Damdred falls under the Onegu rule also. He goes from I cant read onegu well IDK need more time. To onegu looks really bad, he best lynch for no reason.

GG
S-word
Damdred

Scumteam^

On June 06 2015 20:47 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Also Damdred continues to look better than Onegu at this rate.

On June 07 2015 04:56 Fidei86 wrote:
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Scott

Ritoky had less to say about scott, probably because scott just hasn't been as active as Ticktock (or, at least, it seems that way). Still, right at the end, in his table, ritoky wrote next to scott's name "very different from previous game".

I've also had a scum read on scott for a while. Reading through his filter, I just don't think he has every contributed much of value. He posts lots of lists, but they generally only refer to vague feelings, rather than anything more substantive. He also has a serious tendency to respond to questions or comments with a "what do you think?" or "what's your list", which I think looks like a tactic to avoid answering questions.

One thing in particular that I didn't like was where, when the Chocolate/Kickstarter thing was getting started, he had his vote on Chocolate. He then posted in the midst of it all here that "I'm starting to think both wagons are town". However, he didn't move his vote off Chocolate. That's a big tell to me. If he had honestly believed that, and was town himself, the logical thing would have been to try and look for a different candidate. In fact, both Chocolate and I were pushing an Onegu policy vote around that time, which would have succeeded if he had come on board and helped us to get one or two more supporters.
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TL;DR: ritoky was suspicious of scott and TT, so it makes sense for them to NK him

On June 05 2015 12:52 NydusHerMain wrote:
These are my thoughts on the last couple of pages because I came home late and have to go to sleep soon.



Seems like a really weak reaction to me. It doesn't really feel genuine at all. Also, I'm not sure about Chocolate but if I were getting potentially lynched and it was getting close to EoD, I would've constantly refreshed. I call BS on him not noticing the time and saying "I would have killed myself" because he posted his last words before the EoD was over. Also, if he truely had the intent of dying for the blue, he probably would have at least tried to vote even if it was exactly on EoD (which would probably have been too late) just incase but he didn't even try.

TL;DR: Chocolate was there to take the death for the team and he lied about sacrificing himself had he had more time


With respect to Milo, people have already said this but I'm town reading the hell out of him now. Day 1 it was a light town read but his switch to a nonvote when the blue claimed solidifies him to my top town. The only doubt in my mind is if Chocolate flips as scum because the only reason for Milo to nonvote in my opinion is either he was panicking town or he was mafia with Chocolate and just didn't know what to do or knew that the blue was going to die by default anyways. Regardless, I'm tending to lead more super town on Milo and just going with Occam's razor on this.


VE's reaction felt kind of fake to me right now as well BUT he did want to go on Chocolate over the blue AND on top of that, I'm kind of scared because everytime I read his posts, I read it in his voice and if he starts going on me... basically I don't want to see the torrential downpour of VE rage falling on me. (In all seriousness, I'm slightly reading him town for his earlier posts but in the case of my death, I do want people to keep a close eye on him).


I'll have to reread filters when I wake up but for now, I had a scum read on onegu and damdred as well but I don't remember the reasons well enough to confidently explain why.





OHHH and don't get me started on TickTock's reaction. How did I miss that one. The fakest thing I've ever read in my life. I'm almost ready to vote on him instantly when the day starts off that. God, it's because the two letter acronyms are so confusing... TT, GG, SL, KS, VE, blah blah blah....


Templar also feels townier post EoD but I don't know if I can wipe his slate clean mentally after day 1... Actually, that's kind of a lie. He doesn't really feel townier to me but I like his reads so I'm just going to call him leaning town. He doesn't like damdred and onegu, he doesn't like ticktock, I just need him to say his stance on chocolate and I need it to be "chocolate is mafia we should lynch him." I'd say shame on you templar for voting on our blue but if you're town, I would've had you dead so either way one of us would be at fault. (P.S. say chocolate is scum and you'll have me in your pocket for the next 1-2 days)


Honestly, it was kind of hard for me to follow this game and I could feel myself getting lurkier and lurkier but I think this blue kill got me all worked up. Despite how bad it is for us (is jailkeeper dying even that bad? is it a strong role?) it's pretty exciting and I think the game is really starting to move forward.

On June 05 2015 01:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I really hate Kickstart's play this game if he is town because I think it's like super scummy, but just based on how the game has gone I think there is no way you can both be mafia and this post you made right here reads scummier than Kickstart's which i would have to attribute to misguided town at this point.

You already have Kickstart's support at this point and both want to kill me. Why openly start doubting him now as a town? I think you are worried about losing the 'pocket' you have on him so you are intentionally expressing fake 'distrust' in an attempt to continue projecting town.

You end your post simply concluding again that you continue to like your 'ally' though and think he is town for 'looking elsewhere in the game besides templar' for pushing scum on milo. I think it was all just very fake.

Plus it lines up with the Chezinu Rule (which, again, I feel Scott misused here as Ritoky noted, but that it can be used as an accusation against Ticktock more accurately)

On June 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:
Okay, so I thought I might provoke a reaction here, but woooooooow.

Your first post made no sense. We had plenty of time to get an alternative wagon going. KS only got four votes - two or three thrown somewhere else would have been enough. And moreover, it shouldn't really matter - if you thought Chocolate was town, you shouldn't have been voting for him, period. Looking back at it now, it looks like you could have been just laying the groundwork for reticence after the event.

Your second post comes across horribly, to me anyway. Why would you want me to vote for you? If you're town, you'd want to convince me I'm wrong. I wasn't aggressive in my post, and I don't think I was rude (certainly much less than others have been in this thread). so rather than swearing, why not make a case? and if there is something you think I'd missed (ie the other ritoky game) then you could have at least linked to it and explained why my interpretation is wrong. You didn't do that.

Because if you are town, you would not be lazy enough yourself to build this "case" on me and find out for yourself. TL Mafia Database? profile my name? Unless you type at 120wpm you would have been able to find it in the time you took to write this.


Then you immediately transition to making a more substantive post, but without referencing my accusation that your posts aren't overly detailed. if I was wrong, you could have pointed out previous posts where you did (ie that I was wrong), but you didn't.

Finally, you say that you want me gone. But you don't actually give a reason. The natural town thing, if you want to get a Mafia lynched, is to make an argument that other townies might buy. But you didn't do that either.
*Bolded my replies in your quote so they are not missed*

In my latest posts I think I have shown it enough - your vote switch would stick out at me. If you want me to build a case on you, I'm down for that. I got allllll day.

Overall, your posts come across like you're panicking at having been called out.

The reason I haven't voted on you yet is because I also think TT is Mafia, and it seems like there's more chance of getting a coalition to vote him off for now. But if there isn't much movement in the next 12 hours or so, I'll vote for you - unless you turn it around and make a real case that you're town.