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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:26 prplhz wrote: gg rso well played and also well played rest of scum team, got the best out of a sometimes terrible situation. <3 i actually think you have really good reads lol ignore what i say when i'm scum i was mean xP | ||
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justanothertownie
16316 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:27 rsoultin wrote: anyway gg everyone ^^ i enjoyed playing with all y'all any advice would be appreciated! i'm always trying to improve my scum game Tryy working on your towngame instead :p | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
General acknowledgements (mea culpa/stuff that I'll change for next time) 1 Replacements do not reset votes - modkills do. This was in reference to Damdred's replacement, Oats should have started with 4 votes. It was not alignment indicative but it was pointed in Obs QT that Sandroba's thinking was clouded because of it. 2 Do not start games on holiday weekends (major holiday in many countries which I was unaware of) This was also a problem for the recently ended NSM10. I should have waited until Sunday or even after the so-called Memorial Day. Day 1 was a lot more dead than it ever should have been. 3 Setup issues - this is a tossup First, no more third parties for minis. The survivor role was universally panned, maybe for larger games it makes sense but never again for 13 players. This is not a reflection on how VA played the role, but I can understand the arguments against it regardless who drew it. Second was whether mafia should have had an untrackable GF with a wanderer already in the game. It didn't matter in this game, but could have mattered in different situations. If I had to do it again though I'd have given mafia the RB and two vanilla scum. 4 Modkills Slam and prplhz posting after the deadline - prplhz was during the night and Slam was seconds after my own prompt, not to mention Rasputin posting at 00:01 just before we declare mafia victory. LS queried on her, but I said not to modkill especially since it was before our prompt. To improve this and make more consistent - modkill after deadline rule will be consistent with the timestamp of xx:01. Therefore there is no debate regardless when a host says stop posting could be variable. Questions for everyone 1 Vote counts - were they done often enough? 2 Time cycle: Oats asked me if a day could be shortened for a single day. I know you can never shorten days mid-day but could this be done the night before? I was told that changing day cycles are usually permanent. 3 Future games - Night 0 never flies in a mini, right? (I've never played video mafia so IDK) 4 Activity dips in the summer from what I hear - should posting requirements be raised? What has been done in the past? 5 Should I consider a closed setup or does this not matter? There were no behaviour issues this game. Replacements - thank you for volunteering. Anything I missed give me a shout! Anything you want to add, chime on in. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:30 justanothertownie wrote: Tryy working on your towngame instead :p Ouch  | ||
Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
2 if you change the time cycle it should be permanent and IMO only when all players vote to do so. 3 Never played with a night 0 what do you mean? Like in video where they get a free kill before the game starts? Seems like the player who gets n0'd would be upset. Video mafia games take a much shorter time to complete and dying doesn't mean you're SOL for possibly days before the next game starts. 4 meh 5 we spoke about this already | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:28 rsoultin wrote: <3 i actually think you have really good reads lol ignore what i say when i'm scum i was mean xP dunno what game you played but i just lynched someone in lylo who couldn't be scum lol anyway @hts modkilling me and slam would really just do more harm than good. dunno about this consistency argument but you're trying to make the game nice for people and modkills are generally really annoying for everybody, especially when it's for something no one ever really noticed happened. i can't even tell you what slam did. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
If the rules are clear enough I think any modkill will be clean because there is no dispute (in this case you can't argue a timestamp). In this game though, the subjectivity came in enough that we had to lay back (namely with when we said stop posting and the fact you posted at night and killing you over that we felt would have been stupid). | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:44 Fecalfeast wrote: 1. yes gj 2 if you change the time cycle it should be permanent and IMO only when all players vote to do so. 3 Never played with a night 0 what do you mean? Like in video where they get a free kill before the game starts? Seems like the player who gets n0'd would be upset. Video mafia games take a much shorter time to complete and dying doesn't mean you're SOL for possibly days before the next game starts. 4 meh 5 we spoke about this already Night 0 was done in Assassination but there was no mafia kill. But Assassination was a large normal. It still seems town favoured. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:30 justanothertownie wrote: Tryy working on your towngame instead :p i tryyyyy but i don't know how to be more right :/ | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Maybe I'm just being stupid but what possible advantage does posting after deadline bring you that posting 1 second before deadline wouldn't provide? It happened in Horn of Africa, but Damdred posted after the deadline and he was modconfirmed town for doing so. In fact several people in that game commented that he was instantly town because he wasn't modkilled. That situation was also contentious because we did give multiple warnings and sicklucker was also modkilled for the same thing. | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:55 Half the Sky wrote: It happened in Horn of Africa, but Damdred posted after the deadline and he was modconfirmed town for doing so. That situation was also contentious because we did give multiple warnings and sicklucker was also modkilled for the same thing. Okay but how did it confirm him town? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On June 08 2015 07:58 Half the Sky wrote: Personally I don't think those things are alignment indicative but it definitely messed with a few people's thinking. so... did it modconfirm him town or not? I'm confused | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
@prp your instincts were right all game? you just ignored them. xxx your instincts were right, too. also the other game i was scum, newbie VII or whatever if anything i think you're too quick to back off when others don't agree lol >< i'd like your read accuracy, personally @hts if you modkilled me for that post after not modkilling others that would just be host bias  generally that rule is meant for like situations where reactions basically confirm ppl town? for instance, when damdy thought he was the lynch in horn? it was super obv he was town by his reaction and he basically had to be modkilled...at least that's how i understand it | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
he thought he was the lynch, and what he said almost never would have been said by a lynched scum? actually, hts did the same thing in my first newbie game and she wasn't modkilled, but she was treated as practically confirmed town throughout the rest of the game for it until like lylo | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On June 08 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote: @hts if you modkilled me for that post after not modkilling others that would just be host bias The fact we did jack all to Slam pretty much sets precedence we do jack all to you. This is what I told LS  | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On June 08 2015 08:02 Half the Sky wrote: Modconfirm? Not right away. I say this because unfortunately when sicklucker continued posting we were forced to modkill both of them (to be consistent). -noddles- it actually was not scum-favored -_- those two were much more likely mislynches than say marv, hf, or palmar and suddenly we had a lot less to work with | ||
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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
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