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On May 17 2015 06:03 LightningStrike wrote: did you want to play?/replace you can have my spot if you want | ||
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On May 13 2015 12:58 Fecalfeast wrote: Activity: There is no activity requirement for this game. Players will not be modkilled for inactivity.  | ||
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On May 19 2015 15:59 sciberbia wrote: <_<>_> have you read the thread? who do you think is mafia? yes stutters and onegu for now, still going over other players filters tho stutters cuz his opening posts sound really bad, and its hard for me to see from a town mindset onegu because hes been largely serious (suggests he is scum) and he did not mention being sad about rolling town like hes done in his last many town games... also hes just asking questions and generally not taking stances, plus he advocated plynch and he hates plynches | ||
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On May 19 2015 16:08 sciberbia wrote: I've only closely looked at Vivax...What do you think of Obi, ShoCkey, Palmar, and Vivax? i dont want to lynch vivax today cuz the quick read change on shocky was suspicious, the rest of his filter has felt reasonable and tone felt towny to me; plus i doubt mafia!vivax would change read suspiciously like that with no explanation (i know wifom....) tbh no clue about obi and palmar.... i have a few thoughts about palmar but they are best kept to myself shockey filter next on my list, but i feel like its really hard to read him... very risky lynch he's a lesser experienced player, and while his association reads are not very good, that doesnt make him scum... im really surprised by how stubbornly he has been clinging to his reads despite everyone telling him he is wrong, i think that makes him more likely to be town (scum would conform more quickly) i dont think he's a good lynch at all | ||
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yeh sorry i wasn't going back to check my facts, you are correct you shouldnt lynch me because i am town... lynching me is against townies' win condition i wanted to see how long i could get away with doing nothing... but i figured i needed to come back in time to share my thoughts for the d1 lynch, cuz thats kinda important so here i am im not a good player, but once in a while i can help a little and if i have to afk again (idk why i would?) i'll be sure to let you know ^^ as for the shocky thing... i dont see his posts as suspicious. his 2nd real post gets into his association between palmar and gb, and then he keeps talking about gb because that's sensible (1. gb is talking to him/questioning him, 2. you generally talk about active players in the thread more cuz there is more info about them) so yeah i dont really think its suspicious @onegu, ya i see it, but compare to your posts from recent games? On May 10 2015 09:05 Onegu wrote: Big difference between " Im Town GRUMBLE GRUMBLE... My previous 46% is taking a hit. Im not happy about this one bit... " and this.....@everyone i think that onegu is the best lynch today ##vote onegu "lead me, follow me, or get out of my way" - General George Patton | ||
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On May 19 2015 16:41 sciberbia wrote: how long do i gotta wait? cuz im sleepy and kinda just want to go to sleepI really don't want to lynch Onegu. Interesting to track all his opening posts, but I don't think he is scum based off that. For some reason I don't really feel like lynching Qwerty either. The person I think I really want to lynch is Obi.. but gah I just need to convince myself. I'll probably make a post on him and would love some thoughts on it. ive never rly had much success reading obi... ill check his filter tho | ||
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i'll see what i can do, no guarantees tho idk i guess i dont really mind obis filter so far, i think? yeah he's been lazy, but lazy isnt always scum (i cite myself as example) his early (apparently) joke scumread on damdred seems a bit off, but he isnt caring at all about what people say about him it seems | ||
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On May 19 2015 16:55 sciberbia wrote: i would prefer to lynch palmar over vivax by a considerable bit... (vivax seems carefree and somewhat useful, while palmar completely vanishing after making an unexplained push on damdred feels off... town palmar will make unexplained pushes on people for days straight, but generally pops in once in a while to ask for his desired lynch, or just does nothing at all)OK here's where I'm at. Not that these are all hard town reads, but I don't want to lynch anyone in this list today: GlowingBear, Onegu, Stutters, Shining, Damdred, Oats, Zealos, Qwerty(?) This leaves: Vivax, Palmar, Shockey, Obiwan No doubt about it, Vivax and Palmar are being lurky, lazy, and making this game harder than it needs to be for us. I think I'm OK with lynching either of them today if they do not contribute more. They would be mostly policy lynches: I cannot pretend to see much in their filters that is scummy. Shockey is baffling. I think he could be mafia. I think he could be town. I'm not too sure. Obi could be town, but I've been suspicious of him for quite a while, and I have given him every chance to remedy his lurkiness, and with 12 hours to the deadline he seems content to not do anything. I wish I felt more confident, but I think he currently has the greatest chance of flipping scum. I will explain why shortly. i'm really interested in seeing what others think about an onegu lynch... | ||
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are we actually killing vivax? would much rather kill obi ##vote ObiWanShinobi | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:24 The Shining wrote: by chance did you read assassination mafia?Hedging on Obi's read when he said he would do so. Never makes a definitive read or stance. Makes possible excuses for why his activity isn't scummy(because Qwerty isnt very active, either). But now he'd rather lynch Obi? The recurring theme here is that he doesn't want to lynch Vivax, when Vivax hasn't done anything. Wtf? | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:27 The Shining wrote: if u want to lynch vivax... you probs shouldNo...Why? Should I? vivax has changed his town playstyle to do zilch and get lynched | ||
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his first point is actually really good idk if vivax would be so lazy as to not even make one post asking people to kill damdred... even if he is supposedly out with a friend lol i think i get the worst town ever award ##unvote ##vote Vivax | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:40 Vivax wrote: what do you think about damdredAnd like in Assassination you will still get my reads and some more reasoning. | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:43 Zealos wrote: thats exactly why he is doing it?ROFL you're literally saying you refuse to be active day1 till people stop lynches you for inactivity day1??? thats your plan? You realise it also helps your mafia game if you can get away with a useless day1 because of your "meta" | ||
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if hes not going to do anything then im more than happy to lynch him | ||
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On May 20 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: lynch him twice? XDPre-flip mindnote: if Vivax flip green I'm 200% lynching him day2 | ||
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##unvote ##vote obiwanshinobi | ||
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SWITCH VOTES PLEASE | ||
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onegu obi maybe stutters? sorry vivax | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:04 Damdred wrote: vivax wasn't doing anything that made him townQwerty why on earth was anything vivax posted enough to get you to flip out and beg for a switch? I really don't see vivax posting amazing towny stuff to warrant that reaction? but he came back and provided a reads post that i felt was mostly sensible, and i agreed with his onegu read in particular one of the reasons i voted for vivax was i saw scrib's post that vivax wasnt here while he said he would be here... but vivax posting nullified that argument the similarities to assassination were very noticeable as well im just kind of annoyed, not that ppl didnt switch, but that people didnt even bother to post and respond to vivax or ask me why to switch ill be back later... dont like mls | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: you know better than that for two reasonsQwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline. 1. i switched to vivax as the 9th vote or 10th vote, smth like that... if i wanted to look good i just never would have switched to vivax in the first place 2. maybe if people actually bothered trying to post there could have been a vote switch... enough ppl were online | ||
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 ObiWanShinobi is scum mostly because of scriberbias case. i noticed two additional reasons. 1. inconsistent tone obi normally plays as he pleases, and is willing to be aggressive, disagree with people, and doesnt really care what others think of him. this game has many examples of this. however, there is one post that is a major departure from this: On May 19 2015 11:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i dont really see this post coming from a town obi at all (given the tone of the rest of his posts this game). Town can be headstrong and stubborn, town can be apologetic and meek, but its really hard to see both in such a short time period.I'm aware I'm being a useless shit but I will try to rectify this tonight. Questions/concerns can be levied to me at your leisure. To answer Damdred: I mostly think Shining is town because I don't think he would necessarily lie about any kind of health condition in a game. It's not exactly a strong read at this point in time but there you go. (Besides that fact, I thought him coming back during his trip just to try to make stuff happen was pretty town, plus I thought his other posts were relatively strong enough to warrant a townread.) And it's not like obi put out enough content to fully correct his being useless, but his tone completely reverted to his original complete confidence. 2. i feel a tone change once the lynch started shifting to vivax. this isnt necessarily an issue, but obi's tone (to me) seems to be smug, which isnt really fitting for a townie who was just up for lynch. as for onegu... i checked my meta more carefully, and i was mistaken about the frequency that he complains about being town. this is pretty embarrassing... still, its a point against him, and im suspicious of him. another reason he is scummy is how aggressively he commented on plynches and inactives (his second read of the game is on me), when i know that he hates inactives, shown by this post from Student Mafia VIII. And from this game: On May 19 2015 11:44 Onegu wrote: Could lynch into the lurkers. And sho also. On May 19 2015 04:01 Onegu wrote: I bolded the inconsistency. I find it really strange that onegu is inconsistent about how his stance on less active players,I really dont like zelous at this point. First he says only one of palmar or damdred is mafia. He votes Damdred for not looking like his assassination game. Which doesnt make much sense as my play isnt going to look like that game either. Then he says we should switch to palmar for???? Not really sure I guess because palmar hasnt done anything... Then he goes back to Damdred for the same assassination reason. What changed Palmar still hasnt done anything. So why switch again? ##Vote Zealous On May 19 2015 13:01 Onegu wrote: And a final example. From someone who hates plynching inactives?Quarty gets replaced I think, even though I have seen him post in other threads. Really if he comes in and posts and makes a vote I could really lynch him. By the time of the lynch, Onegu expressed suspicions on the following: Qwerty! GlowingBear Sealoz Shockey Vivax Oatsmaster Palmar (more on this later) scriberbia I don't really see a sense of direction here at all. he's fanning out and giving him as many lynch choices as possible. He's also really heavily following the thread sentiment on all of his votes (Sealoz and then Vivax). Policy voting me isnt enough to change this. Finally, his discussion with palmar makes no sense. First he seems disappointed that Palmar disappeared, and he says that he disagreed with Palmar's first read. Palmar never explains his Damdred scumread. Still, Onegu alternates between begging Palmar to come back and solve the game and being potentially willing to lynch him. my head is hurting (i got a cold ), this is about it from me for tonight, i think. will answer any questions though.not really sure about the third mafia yet, though some of stutters' early posts were really suspicious (specifically the way he referenced how assassination mafia changed his mindset). | ||
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On May 20 2015 15:08 Onegu wrote: so youre not sure of my alignment, but you arent going to ask me any questions to help figure it out?Sho, Zeal, and I still dont really like qwerty, I mean he could be tunneled town, but still dont like his omgus on me. do you have any thoughts about the case i posted above? (and dont try to pretend that 10 minutes wasnt enough time, i didnt say that much) | ||
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On May 20 2015 15:25 sciberbia wrote: 1. Probably Shockey, Sealoz, or The Shining.@Qwerty 1) Let's suppose Stutters, Onegu, and Obi are all town. I ask because I don't think this is out of the question: who would you suggest we look into next? 2) Quick thoughts on Palmar's alignment? 3) Can you just quote the part of my case on Obi that you thought was most convincing? I'm just kinda curious and it might help me focus in on what really demonstrates Obi is mafia (if he is in fact mafia). im kinda just waiting on you, palmar, gb, and damdred. you guys are most likely town, but if you are scum i'd have a heck of a time trying to catch you, while after some time (d2) it should be much clearer. 2. palmar more likely town? he had some good points in his vivax case. though i dont really like the way he started the game. hes probably town for the vivax push, but again, it should be clearer based on his d2. 3. On May 19 2015 17:36 sciberbia wrote: The first point is the best, I think. He's been inconsistent about whether his read on Damdred was serious or a joke.1) His attitude toward Damdred in the middle of the day is extremely suspicious. | ||
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On May 20 2015 15:32 Onegu wrote: cuz you also know (or at least really ought to) that palmar is perfectly capable of doing zilch as town on day 1. see linux mini mafia for one example, see down under 2 (you played this game) for another exampleAnd what inconsistency are you talking about? Like Palmar considers his day one his best day. I have seen it, look at noir 3. So I wanted him to come back, if he didnt come back I was willing to lynch him. What is so confusing about this onegu also was suspicious of sealoz for scumreading a less active player, so thats info from this game | ||
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On May 20 2015 16:37 sciberbia wrote: can confirm not hfOh damn. I just realized whose smurf Qwerty might be. And if he is who I think he is, he has a very strong reputation as a scum player and I might have to seriously worry about him being scum after all. Qwerty what do? can also confirm that hf would be insulted if he knew you thought i might be him When Onegu wants to plynch an inactive, he says that plynching inactives is okay otherwise, onegu says that plynching inactives is bad (and uses this reasoning to scumread someone) hes not being consistent, hes trying to twist things to fit his own agenda | ||
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On May 21 2015 06:38 The Shining wrote: This is obviously false...QwerTruffle almost immediately jumped on Palmar NK possibly leading Damdred being scum when we all know NK = wifom. Night kills are not entirely WIFOM, they're always for a reason (even if sometimes that reason is hard to discern). The night kill possibly indicates that Damdred is scum, because Damdred has incentive to get rid of Palmar who is scumreading him, even if Palmar didn't provide reasoning. Does this mean that this is certainly the case, or even likely? Of course not. I was answering this question with my post: On May 21 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: Why would scum shoot palmar... Anyway, I still think that Stutters695 is scum. On May 18 2015 05:25 Stutters695 wrote: Early activity excuse that applies for the first quarter or so of Day 1. Then he makes a pointless comment about applying the analysis from last game. It's an awkward entrance with unnecessary information, while trying to look like doing something, and making an activity excuse.Vibing to the day post, I like that. Weekends are my worst days for activity so I'm not sure how much I'll be around today. Definitely going to try and apply some stuff from the Assassin analysis to this game such as requesting people don't claim unecessarily. Other than that, Stutters695 has gone after weak players (with phrases like "I could lynch him"), hasn't provided much reasoning, and his original push on The Shining was really bad (Damdred explained why). | ||
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Sorry, I'll take a closer look at things tonight. | ||
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On May 21 2015 14:31 GlowingBear wrote: Can you explain why he is scum, please?REALLY? 24 hours and only 2 pages??? Are we lynching scumdred yet? | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:27 GlowingBear wrote: I'll await your case.Gonna make a case on him tomorrow Truffle, why you shouldn't be lynched? That's a fairly pointless question. A lot of the reasons that people are scumreading me are really bad (trying to answer your question? vote switch that amounted to nothing and had no mafia motivation?). Better reasons to scumread me are my laziness and poorly explained reads. Stutters695 is my preferred lynch at this time, I'm not so confident on Obi any more. | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:43 GlowingBear wrote: Your case had better be a really good case.I could lynch him too, oats. But I prefer Damdred I'll make the case tomorrow. Meanwhile, deal with the fact that Damdred was universally townread day1, hard claimed blue night 1, and is still alive Also think that now two confirmed townies (me and palmar) were both scumreading him. You see the hypocrisy in this quote alone? Perhaps the reason he didn't die is somehow related to two influential players scumreading him? It can't be both ways. | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:48 GlowingBear wrote: Obi's kept active and posting, and his recent posts have given me the impression that he's trying to solve the game. Mostly a tone read, partly increased content.What changed about obi? Why not Shockey over Stutters? How do you read Damdred and why? Again, Shockey is a really risky lynch, I can easily see him flipping town. He raises some good and insightful (if misguided) points. I didn't look at his more recent posting so much, though. Damdred is most likely town for filter length alone. I haven't found the quality of his posts to be all that great, but I am comfortable with reading him as town. | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:55 GlowingBear wrote: I haven't paid much attention to him yet, he's next on my list.Another question: what's your read on Zealos? | ||
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On May 21 2015 17:04 GlowingBear wrote: Many times, Shockey showed varying levels of suspicion of people. Even though I often disagree with how he got his reads, the level of suspicion indicated by his statements and how much he pushed the read seem to be related.Show me those points please. I need to see you thought process I'll kindly ask you to go to Zealos filter and give me a read on him I'll sleep now but tomorrow I'll be reading and bringing the arguments on Damdred This post shows the same mindset (suspicious of people who vote together), but with regards to votes on someone else, so there is some consistency there. I also like how Shockey picks up on a supposed inconsistency from Palmar, not including his scumread Damdred in his list (though of course this was due to a misinterpretation of Palmar's intent). Furthermore, (pending a review of Shockey's recent posting) I don't see good mafia motivation for playing this way. He might be scum, but I just don't see what makes him scum. | ||
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To be honest, I feel pretty terrible for signing up for this game when I didn't have the time or the motivation to play. It's not fair to everyone else in the game, even the scum. I'll do my best to get some motivation to reread this thread soon... On May 22 2015 02:58 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, you got me.You see, truffle, you say that he brings good and insightful points, but your thought process shows that you think Shockey is town for taking genuine stances, which is a complete different read. It sounded to me that you decided to call him town, and when inquired to check for the good points he brings, you fail. Easiest thing for Mafia is to form a scumteam out of association. The bad thing is that he considers my first post to call me possible town/mafia (the only two alignments possible, I know, SHOCKING) and scumreads palmar and obi for that association. It doesn't make sense because I'm the root of his scumreads. Associations are mostly like "if this guy is Mafia, THEN this guy is totally Mafia". So what does he have to do in order to verify if his reads are correct? Having me lynched first. But his thought process is the complete opposite. He wants PALMAR lynched first. It's not a natural stream of thought. It's fabricated. Also, this association thing is the easiest thing to do as Mafia. Tunneling on weak arguments is also the easiest path for a Mafia who thinks being aggressive is a townie trait. But, palmar flipped town, I'm confirmed town, and he has no 180 change of his reads. How do you explain that in a town perspective? He also had you as scum but never proceeded to talk about it. What do you make of it? You want the honest truth? You won't believe it, but here it is. I looked through his filter, and I saw some information and reads that I thought was perceptive, and I liked it. So I posted about it, and then you asked, and so I went back to find it, and I couldn't. I don't really know what to say, though that's probably related to my inability to focus.. Looking at Shockey's filter, I see why I didn't remember anything from his recent posting; there hasn't been any. He's almost certainly scum, town would make some new reads or at least apologize or do something other than just vanishing without explanation at all. He even goes so far as to say that he's not going to defend himself to find scum instead, and then proceeds to.... not find scum. ##vote ShoCkeyy As for the Damdred case: 1. I don't think that point #1 (the Palmar) read is alignment indicative. I think it's reasonable from Damdred regardless of his alignment. 2. This point looks very strong, though I need to check the context. 3. Read Linux Mini Mafia if you haven't already. But Damdred's explanation is somewhat plausible, and I really don't think that Damdred is the type of player who would post this much and be this aggressive. So I'll agree with not lynching him today. And he's probably still town. | ||
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I'd rather lynch ShoCkeyy. | ||
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ShoCkeyy, what do you think about Onegu? | ||
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On May 23 2015 03:52 ShoCkeyy wrote: I was wondering how you said that scum killed scriberbia, when Onegu is the claimed vigilante who claimed the shot, and you didn't mention scumreading Onegu.Onegu is Vigi? What do you want? Then I realized that this isn't really alignment indicative, as mafia you would know how many KP you have, and I wouldn't expect scum to fake like this often. ##unvote ##vote Sealoz | ||
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But it's consistent with his play earlier this game in style, and with barely over an hour to the lynch, I can't really fault him. | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's my vote accidentally entered as Sealoz's.Wait a minute, no he isn't. | ||
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On May 23 2015 03:56 Qwerty! wrote: This is why.I was wondering how you said that scum killed scriberbia, when Onegu is the claimed vigilante who claimed the shot, and you didn't mention scumreading Onegu. Then I realized that this isn't really alignment indicative, as mafia you would know how many KP you have, and I wouldn't expect scum to fake like this often. ##unvote ##vote Sealoz | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:12 Damdred wrote: Oh, I understand now.What does that matter if you think his filter was scummier than zealos to start with? A lot of my reason for voting for ShoCkeyy was that he realized all his reads were wrong, and then vanished. His new post shows that he's still sticking to some of his old reads (hence less rush to get completely new reads), and was very consistent with his play from earlier. Furthermore, I don't think that the incorrect statement about the night kills is likely to come from scum. | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:29 GlowingBear wrote: I like kittens.HOW THE FUCK YOU AGREE WITH ME, THEN THE GUY MAKES THE EASIEST CASE IN THE GAME, YOU -SEE- IT'S FOR SURVIVAL BUT YOU VOTE ZEALOS, TRUFFLE? HOW COME? HOW? I WILL BATHE IN KITTENS BLOOD IF YOU GUYS LYNCH ZEALOS FIRST ##unvote ##vote ShoCkeyy | ||
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Switch? Please? | ||
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Have fun with that | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:50 The Shining wrote: Yes, this!I'm not voting with Trfel. Sorry, I jusT can't vote with my scumread. ##unvote ##vote Zealos | ||
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Onegu, please? | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote: Nope, I decided not to before I put it in the voting thread.Truffle just went to Zealos and Zealos is the lynch | ||
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"Here, look at what I did! Lynch my target now! [afk for half hour] Lynch my target! [afk again]" The amount that he cares about actually pushing his lynch target isn't consistent with the words that he says. It isn't consistent with his posts,and it isn't consistent witha town mindset. Please. | ||
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On May 23 2015 04:57 Qwerty! wrote: OneguOnegu, look at ShoCkeyy's play this past hour. "Here, look at what I did! Lynch my target now! [afk for half hour] Lynch my target! [afk again]" The amount that he cares about actually pushing his lynch target isn't consistent with the words that he says. It isn't consistent with his posts,and it isn't consistent witha town mindset. Please. Please | ||
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Ignore me, trust GlowingBear. Trust what I said in the post. | ||
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On May 23 2015 05:13 The Shining wrote: Don't you see how inconsistent he is being...You just avoided a lynch. This is a really strange reaction, considering. Why fuck this game? He acts like he cares about making the right reads. He acts like he cares about the lynch. He goes afk and only jumps in once in a while to respond to people scumreading him. He makes a case to survive, then is upset when his target flips town. It's pretty straight forward. | ||
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On May 23 2015 05:19 Damdred wrote: I'd be pretty darn surprised if that was the scum team.I honestly wouldn't be surprised if ahockey is town and the scum team is oats, obi and qwerty | ||
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Are you good at it? Can you teach me? | ||
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On May 23 2015 16:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Trfel #1580I'm learning from someone else atm lmao. Just built a Dragon Deck. It's hilarious. What's your tag? Been playing for like a year, on and off... but I'm f2p (not a good collection) and I'm not very good. It's fun, though! Very relaxing compared to SC2 (I'm really bad at that, too, haha). | ||
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On May 23 2015 16:29 GlowingBear wrote: Join the club Hey I want to play hearthstone too! I suck at it by I have fun with it | ||
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On May 23 2015 16:32 GlowingBear wrote: Was referring to the club of people who suck at Hearthstone, I won't pretend to be any good, haha.I've just got home from a party. I'll add you there once I finish eating My info is a few posts above. You also give the impression of a party animal  | ||
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On May 23 2015 17:24 Onegu wrote: Will you kindly agree never to lynch me, ever?DRUNK ONEGU IS HERE ANY QUESTIONS | ||
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On May 24 2015 12:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lolSo I just saw Trfel in Hearthstone. Discuss. | ||
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On May 24 2015 13:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: lolLook at him. Lying around. Content with his own scumminess. Mocking us. | ||
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Blue claims this game: GlowingBear (Innocent Child) Onegu (vigilante) Stutters695 (?) Damdred (Mason) [presumably The Shining] (Mason) Most games have two blue roles. To be fair, innocent child and masons aren't that strong, but on top of having two other blues, that's definitely excessive. We have too many blues. I'm inclined to suspect Damdred and The Shining as being mafia, though Onegu is a possibility. I'll hopefully get a better chance to look at it tonight. But I think that Damdred is likely the best lynch. | ||
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If it wasn't clear enough: Damdred and The Shining are both scum! Lynch them! | ||
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On May 25 2015 11:39 Damdred wrote: mafia?Stop being obtuse obi, should be pretty obvious | ||
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On May 25 2015 12:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Hard claim?He hardclaimed blue on like night 1 lol. I really wouldn't say so. Did anyone bother to actually click the link I sent to Linux Mini Mafia? It wasn't a link to the game... or even Damdred's filter... but to a specific post, a post that is rather relevant to this game. Lynch Damdred. | ||
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Why? I'm not sure. But town feels so hopeless in this game, and with the thread activity so low, it just feels like there is no way that ShoCkeyy can be scum. Damdred is very likely scum. If not him, than one of Onegu/Stutters695 is scum (leaning Stutters?), but far, far more likely Damdred. Though I am somewhat worried by how little claimed blue Stutters695 seems to be caring today. I still think that The Shining has a fair shot at being scum. I don't really suspect ObiWanShinobi, though I don't have a good reason for that. I'll go with Damdred/The Shining/Oatsmaster so you guys can laugh at me post-game. | ||
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On May 25 2015 14:50 Qwerty! wrote: Actually, to make this 100% clear (it's rather important):ShoCkeyy is a mislynch. Why? I'm not sure. But town feels so hopeless in this game, and with the thread activity so low, it just feels like there is no way that ShoCkeyy can be scum. No matter who is mafia this game, town is doing very poorly (simply in terms of activity and thread content). It's undeniable. Thus, scum is capable of mostly doing whatever they want. The best strategy for scum right now is to throw their influence wherever, if they work together they secure an easy mislynch and the game is over. It doesn't matter if they make it too obvious, because no one will be able to catch them with the thread activity like this. I'd be very surprised if scum was willing to bus at MYLO with the thread this inactive and lacking leadership. The ease that the lynch went to ShoCkeyy, the little amount that people have said about other targets... ShoCkeyy is screaming mislynch. As an example, imagine for a moment that you know for certain I am town. Basically everyone is willing to lynch me, or actively scumreading me, no one is townreading me. It would be so easy to get people to lynch me instead. But no one is really pushing for this at all. This suggests that ShoCkeyy is town. Damdred needs to be lynched. ShoCkeyy is town. | ||
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On May 24 2015 03:08 Stutters695 wrote: I'm a bit behind....Sorry guys, I know my play so far has been terrible outside of yesterday really. Odds are I'm dead today as I doubt Damdred is a medic. I can live with that (pun intended) since I haven't really done much, but here's my last thoughts if that's the case. I'll be at Sunset Music Festival today and tomorrow so I won't be on a lot before late night if I'm not too exhausted to play. I'll try to get out more definitive stuff, but in case I die: Damdred - I still think he's scum. If you're town, please read my case and evaluate it on your own. If he doesn't die and continues paying like he is lynch him. This is not up to his level of town play. I didn't mention this in the case, but he keeps saying Assassination doesn't count because of the post restrictions, but if you look at the posting amounts, he's averaging a similar number yet nowhere near the analysis or effort towards solving the game. I'm trying to not use meta when there is enough to actually read someone, but food for thought. Unfortunately, I didn't get to type up what I wanted on the others before I have to go, but I've got Trfel as scum and the third is one of Shining or OWS. Maybe VCA and a reread would change my mind on Shockeyy but personally I want to lynch Damdred or Trfel. Trfel is probably the safer lynch, but Damdred as scum cracks the game open. Since it'll be mylo though, Trfel would be better I think. Sorry again I wasn't more of a help, it's been a hell of a week and I didn't see all this coming when I ined. Rereading this post, it makes me very confident that Stutters695 is town, despite his low activity recently. I'll accept Onegu's vigilante claim as well. ObiWanShinobi just feels really towny. I'm actually like 80+% confident that Damdred/The Shining/Oatsmaster is the scum team. + Show Spoiler [Stutters' Hearthstone Question] + Lately, more aggressive midrange decks are the strongest decks in Hearthstone (midrange zoolock and hybrid hunter, which is just old midrange hunter with charging minions and more face damage), though face hunter is still very powerful. ONE MORE REASON THAT SHOCKEYY IS A MISLYNCH The night kill. You say that night kills are WIFOM? This is false. Artanis[Xp], among the best active town players on the site, uses night kills heavily for information. Anyway, mafia was willing to kill a named VT and active player (GlowingBear) over the claimed blues (Stutters695 and Damdred), and Damdred was a fairly active player as well. First, this implicates Damdred, as Damdred was also a blue claim and GlowingBear was scumreading him. But this is a very weak point, because there are reasons to doubt Damdred's blue claim (even if you assume he is town), as I pointed out, and I suppose scum could kill GlowingBear for WIFOM (unlikely) or for other reasons (likely). This doesn't really say anything. The important part is, in the long run, killing one of the claimed blues (assuming at least one is town) is the percentage play for mafia (their chances are winning are better with that). Imagine if Stutters claims cop and outs two of the mafia and green checks on suspected players, suddenly mafia just loses (sorry, I wasn't keeping track of how often he claimed roleblock, but the point stands). While GlowingBear is a pretty good player, his reputation for read accuracy and ability to solve a game isn't that great (he's mentioned several times that he has a reputation for being terrible this game; while I disagree, I do admit that his reputation isn't amazing). Scum killed him because he's one of the most active and helpful players, and he's confirmed town, so this chokes off maximum information from town in the short term. This suggests that mafia wants to get the mislynch right here, or that Stutters (and possibly Damdred as well) are scum, take your pick. I really need to get some sleep. I'm not able to prove my whole scum team now, that would take a ton of work, and I don't have the time. But I'm very confident. Hopefully my last few posts (and the upcoming one, assuming I stay awake for it) help show that I am town and that you can trust me, but even if they do not, ignore the voice and focus on what I am saying. If you are town and you ignore what I say because you think I am scummy, how am I supposed to show you that I actually am town? Listen to me, and you'll see why Damdred is scum. Next post will (hopefully) be a mini-case on Damdred. And no, no silly associative reads yet (though they definitely exist). | ||
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If you think I am scum, then ShoCkeyy is either my scum buddy or he is not. 1. ShoCkeyy is my scum buddy. Well, first, I wouldn't have acted like I did yesterday, but that aside, I would either bus him here or defend him. Most likely bus. But either way, I wouldn't wait for this long to try and push the lynch off of him (basically committing suicide if I do fail to move the lynch). I would just hop on the wagon and take a little credit from yesterday and do my best tomorrow. Furthermore, if ShoCkeyy and I are both scum, that's probably the two players with the least thread influence. Our ability to move the lynch to town would be next to zero. 2. ShoCkeyy is town. So what the heck am I doing this for at all? I'm making a bunch of noise when the game is all but won? To either move the lynch to a different town (pointless) or move the lynch to a scum buddy (give up a free win?). Maybe for towncredit (and then lynch ShoCkeyy anyway) if the game were to keep going, but if ShoCkeyy is town, this is the final mislynch. Damdred/The Shining/Oatsmaster | ||
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On May 25 2015 15:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Good question.And why is it that GB hardpushing Shockey doesn't implicate him at all and only implicates Damdred? It doesn't really implicate Damdred due to GlowingBear's scumread (that was included only for completeness), it implicates Damdred because of his blue claim combined with Damdred's thread activity and filter length, as well as after Night 1, of all the players in this game, Damdred has the best reputation and the best ability to solve a game. To win this game in the long run, mafia kills Damdred there over GlowingBear every time. GlowingBear's read on ShoCkey doesn't matter for this at all. As for Damdred pushing Zealos over ShoCkeyy? Possibly to do something (and thus appear productive), possibly to set up a mislynch for the next day (as demonstrated, and this is further incentivized by ShoCkeyy being more widely scumread than Zealos), and and possibly to incriminate ShoCkeyy. | ||
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On May 25 2015 15:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Don't know.And why is Oats mafia? But I don't care. Damdred is scum and ShoCkeyy is town. All I care about right now is getting the lynch off of ShoCkeyy and onto Damdred. Oatsmaster can wait for another day. I don't have the time, energy, skill, or will to prove my 3 man scumteam. I want to make sure we get the chance to play again tomorrow. | ||
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On May 25 2015 15:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ShoCkeyy might be scum. This is a possibility.Or shockey is his scum partner? I doubt this because given the thread state and thread activity, mafia simply will not bus here. It's just the last thing they want to do. Almost everyone finds it very hard to play scum, and they don't like posting as scum. When the game is in the bag, it's best to just go win it while you can and not force yourselves to play another day. I think this largely clears ShoCkeyy as town. If you disagree, I hope you agree that I've shown why he could be town here, and why lynching him is risky. And I hope that what I have said, combined with the case I will soon (hopefully) make, will show why Damdred has a very good chance of being scum. Lynch Damdred now, take the easier scum now, worry about ShoCkeyy another time. | ||
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On May 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote: Requoting GlowingBear's case on Damdred. This should do for a start. The main point is that while Damdred has a lot of posts, his tone is different from his general town play (ignore the stupid Assassination comparison, other games work too) where he's willing to cooperate with people and work with them. Here, he's been very abrasive and he hasn't said that much content based on his posting.I think the team is Damdred / Shockey / The Shining. Regarding Damdred, summed up to the points I've brought earlier: he has no intention into getting organised with town. I'm saying this because Damdred points out I am tunneled in him. But if he knows I'm town, instead of showing me how I'm wrong and actually trying to work with me, he prefers to call me bad and tease me. It's just uncharacteristic for town Damdred to do something like this. If he has me as town, I'd expect him to try to work with me, and not berate my reads. He limits himself to discredit all my reads, all my gameplay, instead convincing me my other reads are also wrong and that Zealos is a better lynch. This is scum causing confusion and discrediting townies, trying to disorganise town. I will NEVER change this read on Damdred. But Damdred has a big filter. That's all he has for call him town. And there are some attempts to read people that could be coming from town. COULD. But if you evaluate his overall gameplay, you will see an uninspiring filter. Tell me what are Damdred's scumreads after Zealos flipped scum. I have no idea. I get it, ShoCkeyy is scummy. But Damdred is basically a sure thing. | ||
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On May 25 2015 15:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Then Zealos looks scummy. But again, the thread sentiment was very much against ShoCkeyy, and more varied on Zealos. If Damdred gets the harder mislynch (Zealos) earlier, it's easier to get the next mislynch (ShoCkeyy). This makes sense even more from the perspective of a tired Damdred who doesn't want to play scum any more.I'm not sure the "incriminate Shockey" theory works either. If shockey got lynched and flips town, what happens when we inevitably have to look at Zealos? For an example of this, look at The Shining (regardless of The Shining's alignment). Going into Day 2, The Shining puts ShoCkeyy as scummier than Zealos. But in the end, he votes for Zealos instead of ShoCkeyy for a weak and weird reason (to avoid voting with me). The Zealos lynch was simply harder to make happen for scum than the ShoCkeyy lynch, and that's a reason for scum to force the Zealos lynch through while they can. Does that mean that ShoCkeyy is town? Of course not. But it explains why mafia would play this way with both Zealos and ShoCkeyy being town. | ||
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On May 25 2015 15:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, but it's water under the bridge Btw, this is why Onegu should have saved his vig shot instead of yolo shooting scib on the off chance that he was actually mafia somehow. I might have said this already but it bears repeating because of how annoying this game has become without him. It happened. And after the recent thing with Bill Murray randomly shooting town on Day 1 as scum (Assassination Mafia), I think that Onegu would be less inclined to do this as a mafia vigilante. That's mostly why I think he is town. Let me do my FPL trades and I'll see what I can do (but I need to wake up in barely over 6 hours, I won't get to do all that much). If you (plural, to all townies) don't agree with me now, please come back before EOD, I'll try to get out a better case tomorrow if it is necessary. | ||
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On May 25 2015 15:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It would be great to have you here at EOD, I could really use the help. But I understand.I'll read it in the morning. Either post it now so I can check it and see what's up or post it later, but I'm heading to work 2 hours before EoD and I'm not sure if I'll be able to check the thread properly during that timeframe. I'll try as usual but idk. Sorry you have to work on Memorial Day Weekend. I'll make a post tonight. You can read it whenever. But please, just trust me on this. I need you to vote Damdred. | ||
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On May 22 2015 03:41 GlowingBear wrote: First, I'll requote GlowingBear's case. It's good. Though I don't agree with scumreading Damdred for the quick Palmar read.I'm extremely lazy to build that case on Damdred, but I'll sum up the points I may be working upon: 1) Not wanting to give a read on me based on early games' lack of information, instantly giving palmar a town read without even revisiting it. 2) The most important: giving a town read on Vivax throghout the whole day1 but ending on voting him in the end. Gave scumreads on obi and Zealos. Never engages Zealos. Never votes for obi. When obi was with aot of votes, Damdred orefer to vote Vivax, a town lean, arguing that Palmar's case was very good, which couldn't be read as that in Damdred's perspectice because: Palmar's main point was Vivax raising suspicions on Damdred but never doing anything with it. This is not purely logical - part of this argument is associative. If Damdred is town he should realise this is not a strong argument. Second point of Palmar's case is about vivax making a lot of random suspicions and reads, something that Damdred TOWNREAD VIVAX FOR. So this point shouldn't be enough to convince Damdred. Last argument on Palmar's case was Vivax inactivity, which EVEN PALMAR SAID WAS A WEAK ARGUMENT. And Damdred uses this to JUSTIFY HIS VOTE ON VIVAX, but only after OBI STATES INACTIVITY IS ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. He simply parroted obi. If inactivity is a problem for Damdred, WHY NOT LYNCHING ZEALOS, HIS ORIGINAL SCUMREAD, WHO ALSO WENT INACTIVE??? Damdred raises a lot of suspicions on Zealos but NEVER really does anything with it. 3) When I talk about a VIGI shot on Damdred, he instantly claims "blue" (without even saying what his role is). This makes no sense from a blue's perspectice because: (i) I was the first one to raise suspicions on him and it was still early night1. If he has an important role, it's way more important to try to establish your innocence while discussing with people, and not claiming being a power role instantly because he could be killed by Mafia, and (ii) it doesn't make sense to claim he is s blue without giving his role unless he is afraid of being counter claimed. So, saying he is blue is a safe way to stay away from a Vigi shot in a closed setup game. His blue claim wasn't a townie wanting to establish his innocence to avoid having town wasting a bullet. His blue claim was a survival one, coming from a guy who doesn't want to get shot by vigi but isn't afraid of getting shot by Mafia. Point #1: Lynching Vivax See GlowingBear's case above. Point #2: Tone Damdred doesn't seem like he wants to work with people this game. He's frustrated and annoyed, not calm and constructive. For someone with this many posts, and someone who is normally as constructive and cooperative as Damdred, this is very suspicious. GlowingBear explained this: On May 24 2015 01:14 GlowingBear wrote: Regarding Damdred, summed up to the points I've brought earlier: he has no intention into getting organised with town. I'm saying this because Damdred points out I am tunneled in him. But if he knows I'm town, instead of showing me how I'm wrong and actually trying to work with me, he prefers to call me bad and tease me. It's just uncharacteristic for town Damdred to do something like this. If he has me as town, I'd expect him to try to work with me, and not berate my reads. He limits himself to discredit all my reads, all my gameplay, instead convincing me my other reads are also wrong and that Zealos is a better lynch. This is scum causing confusion and discrediting townies, trying to disorganise town. I will NEVER change this read on Damdred. But Damdred has a big filter. That's all he has for call him town. And there are some attempts to read people that could be coming from town. COULD. But if you evaluate his overall gameplay, you will see an uninspiring filter. Tell me what are Damdred's scumreads after Zealos flipped scum. I have no idea. First, Damdred makes several pregame posts about being excited for the game. He seems happy. And his happiness vanishes starting from his second post in the game, and makes a lot of posts where he is either upset at GlowingBear or scumreading him (but never mentions a scumread.... for the purposes of this argument we assume he is upset, which looks better for him). On May 18 2015 08:05 Damdred wrote: But he's not lacking motivation? Already, Damdred is being extremely inconsistent with his tone and his happiness, which is more suspicious because he is used to being scumread early on (he was surprised that he was townread early in Assassination Mafia). This doesn't make sense from a town perspective.I'm not sure how i'm lacking motivation lol? On May 25 2015 10:01 Damdred wrote: First of all, he's simply wrong about the number of power roles in a normal game. See GlowingBear's standard game setup, designed to get a standard game, with only one blue (13 player game). See the Student Mafia setup, designed to make a basic game simple for newbies to follow. Look at any examples. Damdred knows better than this. Furthermore, Damdred's tone is very frustrated and upset here.I'm honestly spent with this game. From GB tunnel to my ultimate town read being an idiot and calling me scum when I'm making a play so nobody looks at either of us and the game is poed down to obi, shockey and oats. I really don't care if I get lynched tbh scum can get this win I could care more. However just so people know trfel is wrong in most games have two power roles, most of the time its three with a possibility of four depending on the wrakness/strength of the roles involved. Just lynch me get this game over, the most active player got tunneled by confirmed town and now we are probably going to lynch me or who knows. Ok probably voting for qwerty or whatever and hope shockey is scum Idc Meanwhile, look at some of his other posts. His frustration isn't consistent. He even went so far as to try and "make a play" by claiming mason with The Shining, and he nearly has the game solved by Process of Elimination. The frustration doesn't fit with the rest of his play. Point #3: Blue Claim GlowingBear touched on this earlier, but Damdred has done more since then. And it's extremely scummy. Damdred claims blue initially for basically no reason. Okay, he's done this before as town. For the moment, let's ignore the possibility that this is a special fake-claim play, and assume he actually is blue. Then he finally says that he is a mason, but won't claim his partner for a terrible reason. This adds confusion with no gain, it's scummy, and serves no purpose. From here, he backtracks out of his blue claim. As a play, this didn't accomplish anything. If Damdred really is this close to solving the game by Process of Elimination, he should be excited enough to have the thread presence to convince people of his reads (he's the best player left in the game). And he should be able to explain his read well enough that we accept it. And he shouldn't need to fake claim mason to help support this read. Furthermore, he knows that this makes town more suspicious of the other blues (Onegu and Stutters), and he isn't suspicious of them himself, so by potentially averting town suspicion from The Shining, he moves it to other townies, which doesn't help. Furthermore, this is just never a good play, but it's very weird from Damdred, who is a very analytical and logical player. Damdred wouldn't do confusing plays that restrict town information. The only final possible motivation is that Damdred is doing this for fun. But he's not having fun. He's been seemingly frustrated for much of the game, as is evident from his filter. He has the game nearly POE'd, but is giving up and saying that he doesn't mind if stupid townies lynch him. If Damdred is somehow still town, despite the inconsistent tone, then he'd be still in this game out of necessity, not will. And he wouldn't want to try and make a play to win the game, he'd be doing the minimum. Point #4: Posts Without Content/Conclusion On May 18 2015 05:31 Damdred wrote: GlowingBear (somewhat faked) scumreads Damdred for his opening post, eventually leading to this quote from Damdred. But he's not bothering to say anything about GlowingBear's alignment at all, he's just criticizing and complaining.I'm not sure what I should be getting by his opening. Nor do I understand why you are queing on mine but its what it is I suppose On May 18 2015 05:48 Damdred wrote: And then he dodges the question when GlowingBear asks it. Damdred clearly isn't townreading GlowingBear (Palmar is his first town read of the game), and says that GlowingBear is making false suspicions, casting doubt on him, and overblowing his read, but doesn't say anything about GlowingBear's alignment at all.Sorry no reads or leans on the first 15 posts of the game. Company policy Here's a quote from Stutters695 further explaining this (emphasis mine): On May 24 2015 03:08 Stutters695 wrote: I'm not going to go through and look for all of the examples, but please feel free to do so yourself. Damdred normally provides a very content-dense and analytic filter, post restriction or not, but this game doesn't show it.Damdred - I still think he's scum. If you're town, please read my case and evaluate it on your own. If he doesn't die and continues paying like he is lynch him. This is not up to his level of town play. I didn't mention this in the case, but he keeps saying Assassination doesn't count because of the post restrictions, but if you look at the posting amounts, he's averaging a similar number yet nowhere near the analysis or effort towards solving the game. I'm trying to not use meta when there is enough to actually read someone, but food for thought. Conclusion Damdred is scum. If you don't trust me, trust GlowingBear. If you don't trust GlowingBear, trust Palmar. If you don't trust Palmar, read Noir Mafia Chapter 3, where he caught WaveofShadow with an instant scumread for a seemingly weak reason, and then caught his partner yamato77 off of a Day 1 association case and other things, while not putting any effort into it at all. I can't say for certain that ShoCkeyy is town, though I suspect that to be true. But Damdred is almost certainly scum, and he needs to die. | ||
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But I find it interesting, for how much Damdred apparently doesn't care if he is mislynched, he seems to be caring quite a bit here. | ||
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His arguments aren't great, but his reasoning is there, and I can understand why he arrives at the conclusions that he does. He also genuinely feels like a towny getting mislynched in MYLO, but he sees a potential way out and he's working towards it. Meanwhile, Damdred is ignoring the arguments that have been presented against him and is instead attacking the people who scumread him. I don't know how the fact that I've used the same arguments as other people (including a flipped town) can possibly be scummy, that's the only reasonable thing for a town player to do in this situation. I'm not trying to be a hero and show how much work I can do, and how amazing my reads are, I'm simply trying to lynch scum. I also don't understand why Damdred is so defensive of his early read on Palmar, while he is very heavily scumreading me for realizing that Vivax was likely town. The situation was largely similar. Town Damdred knows that once in a while, people (even worse players like me) see things that he doesn't, and knows that this doesn't make them scum. Stutters is almost certainly town. I won't lynch him. If you want to go ahead and lynch ShoCkeyy, I can't stop you... but it's a mislynch. Onegu, Obi, let's win this game. | ||
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On May 26 2015 03:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He hasn't explained how his blue claim wasn't clearly harmful for town. Especially since he claimed masons with The Shining after the night ended.What has Damdred ignored? He never explained why he didn't even attempt to draw conclusions about GlowingBear's early play, even upon request. And I mostly don't like his explanations for the rest of the stuff. If this were a bus, you would see people pushing ShoCkeyy more. You would see scum doing a little more to ensure that they actually get credit for the lynch. The fact that you don't really have anyone pushing ShoCkeyy says that this is a mislynch. Before I started posting, there was nothing at all. Now, there's really only people saying that they don't want to lynch Damdred. | ||
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I feel that this is again slightly more indicative that he is town. Partly because scum would have QTmates to shout at him. Mostly because this suggests that he isn't just putting in a token effort and letting himself die, or he would have voted. His recent posting feels motivated, and I can't imagine that someone in such a bad spot as him would get motivated enough to post like that as scum, when your team is almost certain to win anyway. | ||
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On May 26 2015 03:58 Damdred wrote: I'm not talking to you after this post.Trfel not reading the thread? I've answered all of those things? You're scum, you're not posting constructively. You HAVE NOT answered these things, if you have, please go quote them. Last night, after I posted my scumread of you, you ignored the arguments and started posting attacks without basis. I won't let you get into a pointless fight with me, the goal is to solve the game, and that can't be accomplished with useless bickering. If you want to actually converse in a sensible manner, please let me know. | ||
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On May 26 2015 04:03 Damdred wrote: ObiWanShinobi, can you not see how he is twisting things here? He hasn't quoted any of the answers that I asked for, which he claims to have already given. Instead, he's accusing me of claiming other people's arguments as my own, while I haven't claimed a single thing on my own. The only thing that I'm claiming is a desire to get Damdred lynched.You piggy backed everyone's points against me and posted them as your own you haven't read the thread I've explained almost everything 10 times. | ||
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I'm very disappointed by Damdred's lack of willingness to talk about anything worthwhile, but far more disappointed by everyone else failing to realize that he's not answering any of the points against him. On the bright side, the game is done. That's pretty nice. | ||
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If you're actually going to lynch me for this, then I don't know what to say. I've been more productive in the last 12 hours than you've been this entire game. | ||
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On May 26 2015 04:51 Damdred wrote: This is completely false, for example. Is it not obvious?Good god trfel if you are town you are being an idiot i have 100% answered everything against me I asked two questions on the last page, based on recent events, that Damdred didn't answer at all, and the answers weren't in his filter. I doubt that Damdred can provide even ONE example of a 13 player game with 3 strong blue roles, much less the 5 total blues that he was hinting at with his mason claim. Can he explain how this is possibly good for town, how this outweighs the downside? | ||
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