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LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 20 2015 21:04 GMT
#501
On April 21 2015 05:58 Damdred wrote:
Explain to me how cake is a policy lynch LS? and What content of cakes was decent?

Cake is just inactive but here were some posts I had liked from him:
On April 20 2015 14:56 cakepie wrote:
Before anything else, what the heck, I'm not allowed to refresh the thread on the side while filter diving and working on my reads? Feels like my play style doesn’t fit the meta these days or something.

-----

Since I got a late start to the game, I’ll start by bringing a new, different observation of my own, and try to avoid rehashing things that people have already brought up.

Scott asked me about LightningStrike -- who turns out to be squarely null+ -- engaged and forthcoming, a bit better than most, and not particularly controversial or swingy.

What’s interesting, though, is that looking over LS and his interactions, a lot of it is with Damdred, who on closer inspection feels like he may be trying to get chummy with LS. And why so eager to know how LS reads him so early on? Not blatant red flag -- might just be a product of who’s around and active to talk to early game, or just a meta thing between people who’ve played together -- I don’t know most of the newer players. Also certainly not to trying to draw associations. Just a thing I noticed, smells a bit fishy, not concrete, but may be worth keeping an eye on.

-----

Now for something else that feel I must address and make my opinion known, even at the risk of rebleating someone else:

Trfel’s huegpost: some people have pointed to it as not alignment indicative, BM flagged it as scumandeering. I feel it is somewhere between the two, south of null. Certainly, the hypothetical scum motivation is there: gaining cred for little substance, and swaying the favor of newbie players. Town motivation, much harder to justify -- sure, it’s a newbie game, but we are in-game and this is not the venue for dumping guides and glossaries -- there are resources out there for that. Feels almost pretentious, trying to tell people how to play.

Of course, clearly the post was premeditated before the game even started, and he has some history of making similar posts, though not quite as big, so that’s what nudges it away from being an outright red flag for me.

Make attention grabbing huegpost? Okay, you have my attention, but now what are you going to do with it? If you want to try to take the reins and lead town -- fine by me, I don’t judge that in itself either way. But if you put yourself in the spotlight, expect scrutiny, that’s only fair.

On April 20 2015 17:06 cakepie wrote:
OWS, If there’s one thing that really seems out of place to me, it would be BM’s mass claim proposal / “blue hunt” -- quite simply, it doesn’t add up. I’m well aware that he has a bit of a reputation, but the situation still reeks of exceedingly weird. Hypothesize he is scum motivated? I don’t think noob game means people are dumb enough to fall for the straight up blue hunt. Town motivated? I’m pretty sure he doesn’t get any passes for not knowing the setup, or trying for “60% if no counterclaim”. Some kind of test to gauge reactions? Not apparent that is the case either. Occam’s razor would prefer obvious scum here.

Onegu mentioned “too scummy to be scum, doesnt work” [as a defense] and my NMM33 experience would tend to agree that usually too obvious scum = scum. As things stand now, if deadline was in a couple of hours and we had to consolidate already, I’d probably vote BM. It’s not a new case by any means, but that’s the strongest read I have.

-----

Show nested quote +
On April 20 2015 15:36 The Shining wrote:
you brought up something that hasn't really been addressed in the thread(LS-Damdred read interaction) which is an original thought. So, did you see anything in any of this other posts?


Didn’t see much of the “too friendly” type interaction elsewhere, but one other thing that stood out for me is when Trfel seemed really hung up about Damdred’s opinion/thoughts process re: himself here and then again at the end here despite Damdred already addressing it here, I think.

Caring too hard about what people think about yourself is a bit of a scumtell.

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On April 20 2015 15:36 The Shining wrote:
I'm not trying to overwhelm you but I have HORRIBLE luck with pylnches as town, whether I vote them or not. They like, always flip town. Let's not let this be you if you are town, pls.


I prefer to take my time to read, deliberate, and draft. I tend to have a relatively shorter filter. That’s just how I am. But if you can see past the superficiality of post count and such and find something of value in my play, perhaps we can avoid this potential mislynch.

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On April 20 2015 15:36 The Shining wrote:
Sidenote: What's LAL, Cake?

Lynch all lurkers (sometimes, liars)

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On April 20 2015 16:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
He needs reads instead of just calling people null or null+.


Well, I’m not going to post a huge ordered list or give townreads and help scum prioritize out who to kill off. And it should not be surprising at this stage of D1 to be looking at a lot of null± among moderately active players. I’ve given my strongest read and voiced a couple of my suspicions, and though the latter are a bit more swingy and hard to place for now, with their activity, we’ll have more to work with as we go. Unfortunately, with my fairly limited experience, D1 still feels like a crapshoot, barring some really obvious slip or discrepancy from someone. I think BM fits the bill best here. (see what I did there?)

-----

Re: Shining’s point on Trfel->Bourneq, I think it’s quite plausible for Trfel to be more of “happy to leave Bourneq alone for now” until a second look when the apparent opinion shift happened, which really got his attention / aroused his suspicion.

-----

... and too slow again apparently. =(

He put a lot thoughs into these two posts I doubt a new scum player would make these rather large posts.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 20 2015 21:10 GMT
#502
is voting in this thread?

##vote bourneq
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 21:13 GMT
#503
Hes not really new though LS...

Anyway I got raid to do,
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 20 2015 21:21 GMT
#504
On April 21 2015 06:13 Damdred wrote:
Hes not really new though LS...

Anyway I got raid to do,

He only had 3 games under his belt and he was only town in those games.
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 21:31 GMT
#505
4 votes on Bourne.
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cakepie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
985 Posts
April 20 2015 21:53 GMT
#506
What is this?
On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie.


One does not simply "misvote" as town, I figure almost everyone would at least glance to check.
Nonono, this scumbag messed up his marching orders, then left to do other things. Imagine the shouting in their QT!

I think with the mixed student format rather than pure newb game, and coaching, we have a scum team that tries to coordinate. They start by casting light suspicions around, and picking out potentially easy targets (often inactives), without committing. There's a couple of players who did that early on, if you've been inspecting filters you'll see that Bourneq was one of those that fit the criteria. Sometimes, these light-suspicion-lists will include a scumbuddy, just for the sake of mixing it up, or potential bus later on.

As the day develops, scumteam tries to diversify and pick out other targets, try to get a sense of the thread sentiment re: what kind of wagon they can get rolling. They'll make it a point to be on different targets rather than mass wagoning early. They're also hesitant to turn the ignition and add critical mass to a wagon too early, but want to avoid being too late for fear of suspicion of wagoning/sheeping. They generally don't do as well at justifying their reads and votes.

And I conjecture that this is where Bourneq scumbungled. His opinion shift re:Trfel is because he was assigned to "work" on a town leader threat. He didn't justify that terribly well. At the same time, scum is pondering when it is safe to start wagoning onto me. At this juncture, with conflicting priorities on the mind, and needing to be off somewhere but compelled to do something before leaving, he made a mistake. As already pointed out, he actually mentioned Trfel, and not me, while voting Trfel.

##Vote: Bourneq

##FoS: Scott333 for being the other player fitting the scum behavior pattern and that super OMGUS.

I usually prefer to do voting pattern and behavioral analysis later in the game when there is more to work with, but with the low activity and the need for me to contribute I figure let's give it a shot here.

-----

On April 21 2015 06:21 LightningStrike wrote:
He only had 3 games under his belt and he was only town in those games.


<3 someone bothered to check!

Also, I still haven't rolled scum yet!


And stop reading way too much into my post timings, I assure you it's not helpful.

Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 21:58 GMT
#507
gah, literally every time cake posts it makes me want to lynch him. smh anyway...
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
April 20 2015 22:04 GMT
#508
Cake what is FoS?

Eh I looked at Cake's 3 town games. I still have a really uneasy feeling about him but these posts look like they could've come from any of those games. I'm not really sure I like him going into a scum mindset in order to try and explain his Bourne read, either, but he's been under pressure to produce so I suppose this is better than nothing.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25555 Posts
April 20 2015 22:07 GMT
#509
Vote Count


Bourneq (5): Trfel, The Shining, Damdred, HolyFlare, cakepie
cakepie (2): ObiWanShinobi, Bourneq
scott31337 (2): Bill Murray, Onegu
Bill Murray (1): Scott31337

Not voting (3): prplhz, LightningStrike, LeiNadk

Currently, Bourneq is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00).

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 20 2015 22:07 GMT
#510
FtR I hate PLynching inactives...
Try TL Mafia!!!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 20 2015 22:15 GMT
#511
who is plynching inactives? we got a good reason to lynch this other guy
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 23:18 GMT
#512
"scumbungling" lol
it's like slipping mixed with derping
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 23:19 GMT
#513
I used to hate PL inactives but honestly if every single game we PL inactives it would create accountability.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14277 Posts
April 20 2015 23:32 GMT
#514
So who we actually lynching today?
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 20 2015 23:34 GMT
#515
The guy we're voting?
Bourneq
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden800 Posts
April 20 2015 23:34 GMT
#516
lmao, going to get lynched for typing the wrong name? Fair. I was in a rush, was talking about trfel but was saying I am not voting him because he is active. Then I was going to write cakepie but I was in a rush and trfel was on my mind so somehow my brain typed that. Then an hour or two later I was talking about mafia with a mate and it dawned on me, wait.. Did I really write cakepie?? No I had not. Anyway seems im dead in a bit but just thought you should know this before I flip town. Gl townies.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 20 2015 23:40 GMT
#517
....That is a horrible way to get lynched, and is totally not helpful to town
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 20 2015 23:41 GMT
#518
god i dont like this lynch anymore but i have always wanted to lynch scott
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bourneq
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden800 Posts
April 20 2015 23:41 GMT
#519
Wow this post cracked me up.
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 21 2015 06:53 cakepie wrote:
What is this?
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 05:17 Bourneq wrote:
Omg I missvoted, I just realised lmao. That was suppost to be cakepie.


One does not simply "misvote" as town, I figure almost everyone would at least glance to check.
Nonono, this scumbag messed up his marching orders, then left to do other things. Imagine the shouting in their QT!

I think with the mixed student format rather than pure newb game, and coaching, we have a scum team that tries to coordinate. They start by casting light suspicions around, and picking out potentially easy targets (often inactives), without committing. There's a couple of players who did that early on, if you've been inspecting filters you'll see that Bourneq was one of those that fit the criteria. Sometimes, these light-suspicion-lists will include a scumbuddy, just for the sake of mixing it up, or potential bus later on.

As the day develops, scumteam tries to diversify and pick out other targets, try to get a sense of the thread sentiment re: what kind of wagon they can get rolling. They'll make it a point to be on different targets rather than mass wagoning early. They're also hesitant to turn the ignition and add critical mass to a wagon too early, but want to avoid being too late for fear of suspicion of wagoning/sheeping. They generally don't do as well at justifying their reads and votes.

And I conjecture that this is where Bourneq scumbungled. His opinion shift re:Trfel is because he was assigned to "work" on a town leader threat. He didn't justify that terribly well. At the same time, scum is pondering when it is safe to start wagoning onto me. At this juncture, with conflicting priorities on the mind, and needing to be off somewhere but compelled to do something before leaving, he made a mistake. As already pointed out, he actually mentioned Trfel, and not me, while voting Trfel.

##Vote: Bourneq

##FoS: Scott333 for being the other player fitting the scum behavior pattern and that super OMGUS.

I usually prefer to do voting pattern and behavioral analysis later in the game when there is more to work with, but with the low activity and the need for me to contribute I figure let's give it a shot here.

-----

Show nested quote +
On April 21 2015 06:21 LightningStrike wrote:
He only had 3 games under his belt and he was only town in those games.


<3 someone bothered to check!

Also, I still haven't rolled scum yet!


And stop reading way too much into my post timings, I assure you it's not helpful.



Hilarious, remember that one when I flip.
I kind of want to make a case for cakepie now that im back, but with only an hour left and with nobody that seems to be around, whats the point?
Bourneq
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden800 Posts
April 20 2015 23:44 GMT
#520
oh BM and damdred is here. Yes it is going to be one hell of a way to go. Like seriously why would I make a case for NOT lynching trfel, then vote him in the same post? Some super mafia conspiracy or a simple tired and stressed bourneq thinking about trfel and making a misstake? Which one is more likely hmmmm.
The only reason I am dying today is because we have failed in getting and real information out there. I dont feel strongly about my cakevote neither so really what the fuck is this game? I made way more of an effort than a lot of people here and yet I am getting misslynched for a typo. Cheers trfel.
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