EPTNewbie Student Mafia VIII - Page 27
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Damdred
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Holyflare
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LightningStrike
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Trfel
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Bourneq, I'll be paying attention to whatever you say. Not lynching you, I cannot guarantee. | ||
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Holyflare
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Damdred
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Damdred
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Cake Bou and Scott All of cakes posts are horrible to me. The vote fiasco BM put some decent work on this. | ||
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
On April 21 2015 06:53 cakepie wrote: What is this? One does not simply "misvote" as town, I figure almost everyone would at least glance to check. Nonono, this scumbag messed up his marching orders, then left to do other things. Imagine the shouting in their QT! I think with the mixed student format rather than pure newb game, and coaching, we have a scum team that tries to coordinate. They start by casting light suspicions around, and picking out potentially easy targets (often inactives), without committing. There's a couple of players who did that early on, if you've been inspecting filters you'll see that Bourneq was one of those that fit the criteria. Sometimes, these light-suspicion-lists will include a scumbuddy, just for the sake of mixing it up, or potential bus later on. As the day develops, scumteam tries to diversify and pick out other targets, try to get a sense of the thread sentiment re: what kind of wagon they can get rolling. They'll make it a point to be on different targets rather than mass wagoning early. They're also hesitant to turn the ignition and add critical mass to a wagon too early, but want to avoid being too late for fear of suspicion of wagoning/sheeping. They generally don't do as well at justifying their reads and votes. And I conjecture that this is where Bourneq scumbungled. His opinion shift re:Trfel is because he was assigned to "work" on a town leader threat. He didn't justify that terribly well. At the same time, scum is pondering when it is safe to start wagoning onto me. At this juncture, with conflicting priorities on the mind, and needing to be off somewhere but compelled to do something before leaving, he made a mistake. As already pointed out, he actually mentioned Trfel, and not me, while voting Trfel. ##Vote: Bourneq ##FoS: Scott333 for being the other player fitting the scum behavior pattern and that super OMGUS. I usually prefer to do voting pattern and behavioral analysis later in the game when there is more to work with, but with the low activity and the need for me to contribute I figure let's give it a shot here. ----- <3 someone bothered to check! Also, I still haven't rolled scum yet! And stop reading way too much into my post timings, I assure you it's not helpful. So cakepie seriously belives that im scum, made a wrong vote, got yelled at by my scum team and thus changed it. Alright fair enough, but why would I in the very same post that I voted in, make a case for NOT voting trfel? That does not make sense. I had no intention of voting on trfel. Your other point reads that I was somehow "picking at easy targets" early in the game, yet the 2 people I was really looking into and asking questions was trfel and bill murray. Both have an enormous amount of games played compared to me, them being "easy targets" for me makes absolutely no sense. And what do you mean by I was assigned to "work" on a town leader. I see trfel in no way as a town leader, I dont even see him as town yet. And what do you mean by "work"? The furthest I got with trfel was saying I got a scummy vibe from his first post that was as long as my arm but that it was NAI. I even clarified right after + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 19:59 Bourneq wrote: Little side note to my last post. Just because I did not want to vote trfel does not mean I've towned him yet. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
What do you think about anyone else in the game ? Also have you read cakes filter? And you said earlier you were going to case cake specifically, besides that vote on you what drew you to him specifically that made you want to cas him? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I find it reasonable that cakepie is town and actually believes his suggestion that mafia intentionally told Bourneq to cast suspicion on me. The question isn't really if that is what actually happened, but if that is what cakepie believes. I am still quite suspicious of Bourneq for his earlier read progression on me, and I don't find his explanation very reasonable. Were it not for that, I would be willing to switch to cakepie here, I suppose. Since no one else seems to think that the inconsistency I pointed out is important, I would appreciate it if someone explained this such that an idiot (such as me) can understand it. I'll be off for dinner, be back in 20-30 minutes. Thanks! | ||
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
On April 21 2015 09:06 Damdred wrote: Well that's not bad thoughts. What do you think about anyone else in the game ? Also have you read cakes filter? And you said earlier you were going to case cake specifically, besides that vote on you what drew you to him specifically that made you want to cas him? yes I have read his filter several times now. I am not sure about him, he was my "placeholder vote" not trfel. But in light of how he has really urged a vote on the only person im sure is town I am willing to type my thoughts up on him. he starts off late in the thread. Then makes a "contribution" where he acctualy says nothing new or even mildly interesting. + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2015 14:56 cakepie wrote: Before anything else, what the heck, I'm not allowed to refresh the thread on the side while filter diving and working on my reads? Feels like my play style doesn’t fit the meta these days or something. ----- Since I got a late start to the game, I’ll start by bringing a new, different observation of my own, and try to avoid rehashing things that people have already brought up. Scott asked me about LightningStrike -- who turns out to be squarely null+ -- engaged and forthcoming, a bit better than most, and not particularly controversial or swingy. What’s interesting, though, is that looking over LS and his interactions, a lot of it is with Damdred, who on closer inspection feels like he may be trying to get chummy with LS. And why so eager to know how LS reads him so early on? Not blatant red flag -- might just be a product of who’s around and active to talk to early game, or just a meta thing between people who’ve played together -- I don’t know most of the newer players. Also certainly not to trying to draw associations. Just a thing I noticed, smells a bit fishy, not concrete, but may be worth keeping an eye on. ----- Now for something else that feel I must address and make my opinion known, even at the risk of rebleating someone else: Trfel’s huegpost: some people have pointed to it as not alignment indicative, BM flagged it as scumandeering. I feel it is somewhere between the two, south of null. Certainly, the hypothetical scum motivation is there: gaining cred for little substance, and swaying the favor of newbie players. Town motivation, much harder to justify -- sure, it’s a newbie game, but we are in-game and this is not the venue for dumping guides and glossaries -- there are resources out there for that. Feels almost pretentious, trying to tell people how to play. Of course, clearly the post was premeditated before the game even started, and he has some history of making similar posts, though not quite as big, so that’s what nudges it away from being an outright red flag for me. Make attention grabbing huegpost? Okay, you have my attention, but now what are you going to do with it? If you want to try to take the reins and lead town -- fine by me, I don’t judge that in itself either way. But if you put yourself in the spotlight, expect scrutiny, that’s only fair. Afterwards he makes a case against BM because he wanted to blue hunt. Nothing new here. This one is really funny On April 20 2015 14:59 cakepie wrote: Oh yeah, fantastic, get pvoted while drafting. =/ I'm here, talk to me. Better things to do than policy lynch with plenty of time remaining. And even if you're determined to go LAL, isn't there someone else who is even less active? Mainly because its followed by On April 20 2015 18:42 cakepie wrote: ##Vote: plotspot Goodnight LoneMeow, since it doesn't look like anyone else is left around  He seems to really dislike policy voting but does it himself, only to retract it when prplhz replaces. "Why not go scrutinize people who seem perfectly happy to stay inactive? Not to OMGUS, but it's starting to get kind of fishy how the case on me is almost lazy easy policy tunnel." The case on him is in no way a "policy tunnel." And the last post he made concerning me I have already adressed the absurdity of so I wont go into that again. | ||
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Bourneq
Sweden800 Posts
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Onegu
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Damdred
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##vote cake Give more reads. | ||
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Holyflare
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
Vote Count Bourneq (4): Trfel, The Shining, HolyFlare, cakepie cakepie (3): ObiWanShinobi, Bourneq, damd scott31337 (2): Bill Murray, Onegu Bill Murray (1): Scott31337 Not voting (3): prplhz, LightningStrike, LeiNadk Currently, Bourneq is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 01:00 GMT (+00:00). Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. | ||
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Holyflare
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##vote cakepie | ||
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Damdred
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