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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 18:56 GMT
#761
On May 21 2015 03:31 Damdred wrote:
Not even a comment on my post obi sadness


I haven't been able to parse it properly. I'm doing job search related things right now.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 18:57 GMT
#762
On May 20 2015 15:02 Qwerty! wrote:
cant say i was expecting scrib to defend me like that, but ive been successfully pocketed

ObiWanShinobi is scum mostly because of scriberbias case. i noticed two additional reasons.

1. inconsistent tone

obi normally plays as he pleases, and is willing to be aggressive, disagree with people, and doesnt really care what others think of him. this game has many examples of this. however, there is one post that is a major departure from this:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 11:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'm aware I'm being a useless shit but I will try to rectify this tonight. Questions/concerns can be levied to me at your leisure.

To answer Damdred: I mostly think Shining is town because I don't think he would necessarily lie about any kind of health condition in a game. It's not exactly a strong read at this point in time but there you go.
(Besides that fact, I thought him coming back during his trip just to try to make stuff happen was pretty town, plus I thought his other posts were relatively strong enough to warrant a townread.)
i dont really see this post coming from a town obi at all (given the tone of the rest of his posts this game). Town can be headstrong and stubborn, town can be apologetic and meek, but its really hard to see both in such a short time period.

And it's not like obi put out enough content to fully correct his being useless, but his tone completely reverted to his original complete confidence.

2. i feel a tone change once the lynch started shifting to vivax. this isnt necessarily an issue, but obi's tone (to me) seems to be smug, which isnt really fitting for a townie who was just up for lynch.


as for onegu... i checked my meta more carefully, and i was mistaken about the frequency that he complains about being town. this is pretty embarrassing...

still, its a point against him, and im suspicious of him.

another reason he is scummy is how aggressively he commented on plynches and inactives (his second read of the game is on me), when i know that he hates inactives, shown by this post from Student Mafia VIII.
And from this game:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 11:44 Onegu wrote:
Could lynch into the lurkers. And sho also.
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2015 04:01 Onegu wrote:
I really dont like zelous at this point.

First he says only one of palmar or damdred is mafia.

He votes Damdred for not looking like his assassination game. Which doesnt make much sense as my play isnt going to look like that game either.

Then he says we should switch to palmar for???? Not really sure I guess because palmar hasnt done anything...

Then he goes back to Damdred for the same assassination reason.

What changed Palmar still hasnt done anything. So why switch again?

##Vote Zealous
I bolded the inconsistency. I find it really strange that onegu is inconsistent about how his stance on less active players,
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On May 19 2015 13:01 Onegu wrote:
Quarty gets replaced I think, even though I have seen him post in other threads. Really if he comes in and posts and makes a vote I could really lynch him.
And a final example. From someone who hates plynching inactives?

By the time of the lynch, Onegu expressed suspicions on the following:
Qwerty!
GlowingBear
Sealoz
Shockey
Vivax
Oatsmaster
Palmar (more on this later)
scriberbia

I don't really see a sense of direction here at all. he's fanning out and giving him as many lynch choices as possible.

He's also really heavily following the thread sentiment on all of his votes (Sealoz and then Vivax). Policy voting me isnt enough to change this.

Finally, his discussion with palmar makes no sense. First he seems disappointed that Palmar disappeared, and he says that he disagreed with Palmar's first read. Palmar never explains his Damdred scumread. Still, Onegu alternates between begging Palmar to come back and solve the game and being potentially willing to lynch him.


my head is hurting (i got a cold ), this is about it from me for tonight, i think. will answer any questions though.

not really sure about the third mafia yet, though some of stutters' early posts were really suspicious (specifically the way he referenced how assassination mafia changed his mindset).


Tone is not enough to warrant a lynch, especially if you have no idea what to compare it to.

Try harder.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 19:07 GMT
#763
His inconsistency on Onegu isn't even a real inconsistency.
Retired.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 19:08 GMT
#764
On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote:
I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.

And I disagree I thought Palmar case was good as did a few other people, it's easy to say x has a town lean but it's different when that lean does absolutely nothing for 36 hours which is alignment indicative of that person


Also I am totes not a bastard under pressure.

D:
Retired.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 20 2015 19:11 GMT
#765
Don't have much time to post today.

Idk maybe I'm just wildly wrong on qwerty but I get a completley different feeling than Obi/Damdred/Oats do from his vote switch. Would be interested to get Palmar's opinion here because I would expect him to agree with me. But if Palmar would read my posts that would just make the game too easy

@Damdred
Stutters is extremely like detatched from the game (not taking any risks like you said) and I agree it's a bit concerning. I will look at the stuff on his meta but don't have time right now. What do you think of the point I brought up yesterday in his favor?

Also, my feeling during rereading was pretty good in favor of Onegu and Zealos being town.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 19:17 GMT
#766
I'd agree that I'd like Palmar to look at qwerty because he hasn't done so yet.

I know he hasn't given a read on me but I think I know why that is.
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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
May 20 2015 19:17 GMT
#767
On May 21 2015 04:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I'd agree that I'd like Palmar to look at qwerty because he hasn't done so yet.


At least, I don't think he has.
Retired.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2015 19:20 GMT
#768
If you're going to try and lynch me on meta Damdred, you might want to actually check it yourself. I promise stuff all the time and don't deliver on it all the time as town. The case on Shining wasn't bad considering. Bonus points to anyone who can tell me the two major flaws with the case.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 20 2015 19:22 GMT
#769
I'll be around more. Trying to get time to sit in front of a pc and really do this.
Qwerty!
Profile Joined April 2015
106 Posts
May 20 2015 19:28 GMT
#770
On May 20 2015 16:37 sciberbia wrote:
Oh damn. I just realized whose smurf Qwerty might be. And if he is who I think he is, he has a very strong reputation as a scum player and I might have to seriously worry about him being scum after all.

Qwerty what do?
can confirm not hf
can also confirm that hf would be insulted if he knew you thought i might be him

When Onegu wants to plynch an inactive, he says that plynching inactives is okay
otherwise, onegu says that plynching inactives is bad (and uses this reasoning to scumread someone)

hes not being consistent, hes trying to twist things to fit his own agenda
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 20 2015 19:30 GMT
#771
For the record I barely even know who HF is but I just know he has a good scum reputation.
But OK assuming you're not actually HF and being a lying jerk, I'll go back to my town read on you ^^
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
May 20 2015 19:36 GMT
#772
On April 10 2015 11:34 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2015 11:22 rsoultin wrote:
nah y'all are right

it was only like 5-6 buddying posts...seemed like more in context

gonna hit this thread again in the morning when there's more to work with

no bro is depressing



Yeah where is he? My vote is about to go on him or stutters


The next newbie where you replaced me out, with me as town talking about a policy lynch on JarJarDrinks because he wasnt around. Guess what he was scum
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 20 2015 19:42 GMT
#773
On May 19 2015 04:01 Onegu wrote:
Then he says we should switch to palmar for???? Not really sure I guess because palmar hasnt done anything...


@Qwerty
I think you may be misreading this quote? You seem to be taking this as Onegu saying that switching to Palmar is bad because palmar hasn't done anything and it's bad to lynch people who haven't done anything.

The way I read it, he is saying "I'm not really sure why Zealos is telling us to switch to Palmar. I guess Zealos is saying that we should switch because Palmar hasn't done anything."

He's not necessarily implying that lynching Palmar is a bad idea.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 20 2015 19:47 GMT
#774
I am here. Ish. Forced to go back to work but now I have tons of time for this game. Let me finish catching up and I'll finally be able to fully play. I'm quite behind so if there are cases you think should take priority for me to weigh in on, let me know.

Initial thoughts: Stutters might be scum but I'm not sold on it just yet. I didn't like the case on me for obvious reasons but I suppose it can be expected from someone who doesn't do d1. He's also right that afaik his meta, he doesn't deliver on promises as both alignments. However, his D2 is a lot more telling. I'll revisit him closer to EoD.

I'm weary of Damdred but a lot of it has to do with not wanting to be pocketed lol. The meta read on me is so accurate, it hurts The Vivax vote after townreading him is questionable but I also sheeped Palmars case. I could lean either way on him but he's townier side of null right now.

I want to filterdive now that I have time at work but I think I could lynch Palmar. Maybe I just feel bad about sheeping his case into a mislynch but I need to see the timing of the case. Iirc, the wagons were Obi and Shockey beforehand, could've been saving one of them.

Ok I'm doing too much thinking out loud. I'll be back after I look up some stuff.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
May 20 2015 19:48 GMT
#775
Can anyone else give me thier scib thoughts?
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
May 20 2015 19:51 GMT
#776
please!
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 20 2015 19:55 GMT
#777
I think he's always a scary player but looks pretty towny
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 20 2015 19:56 GMT
#778
Onegu pls I am so town! Like I'm playing pretty actively I think, much more than I ever have before, and that's because I love playing town. I noticed you were not entirely happy with your role. and I can very much believe that you are town because I know you like playing scum more than town, but it's the opposite for me.

Justifying myself here because I'm worried Onegu is gonna vig me or something.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
May 20 2015 19:59 GMT
#779
Fuck it YOLO
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 20 2015 19:59 GMT
#780
On May 21 2015 04:55 Damdred wrote:
I think he's always a scary player but looks pretty towny

Also this is basically my opinion on Damdred I think. Idk want to reread more but if he's scum he's doing a damn good job. Is Damdred that good at scum? I want to look at one of his scum games at some point.
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