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On May 20 2015 16:37 sciberbia wrote:
Oh damn. I just realized whose smurf Qwerty might be. And if he is who I think he is, he has a very strong reputation as a scum player and I might have to seriously worry about him being scum after all.
Qwerty what do?
I think it is a newer player who gets depressed alot. Not who you think. He also scum reads me alot...
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Sciberbia is still mafia btw, but remember we never lynch him and lose game.
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On May 20 2015 19:36 Palmar wrote:
Sciberbia is still mafia btw, but remember we never lynch him and lose game.
Please confirm or deny what I said about you thinking that qwerty = holyflare.
Also, you really owe a look to everything I wrote about Obi. I really want your opinion on it, especially the bit about him saying damdred 'plausibly could be' town, and then justifying leaving his troll vote on Damdred anyway.
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This post will be a lot of interesting observations and no real conclusions. I'm hoping someone else can tell me what to make of these observations.
The start of the Vivax wagon is really bizarre. There are 0 votes on Vivax and the lynch seems to be coming down to Shockey vs Obi. Then, Palmar makes a case on Vivax, and shortly thereafter, 4 votes drop on Vivax within the span of 2 minutes of each other: Damdred --> Stutters --> Palmar --> Obi
GB makes a good point that Damdred's vote is questionable. Idk if Damdred is scum, because there were serveral things in his filter I thought were townie, but the vote is definitely a bit odd. He had scumreads on shockey, zealos, and obi which he never backed down from, yet he just kinda organizes this voteswitch onto vivax out of nowhere.
Stutters, having not said jack shit about Vivax all day, sheeps Palmar's case.
Palmar then drops his vote at Damdred's prompting. So, the previous leading candidate was Obi/Shockey. Palmar never even looks at my case on Obi or mentions Obi at all. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred, his other top scumread, is the one organizing the switch onto Vivax. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred is voting Vivax out of nowhere. Kinda sketchy. Like I'm not expecting Palmar to unvote Vivax just because Damdred voted him. But I would have expected Palmar to least raise eyebrows at Damdred's behavior. Instead, he just seems happy to have another disciple for his Vivax case.
Lastly, Obi who is clearly trying very hard not to get lynched and paying close attention to the vote count, has left his vote on the Shockey counterwagon to himself until he is assured that the Vivax counterwagon is strong enough. Then he switches his vote.
I still kinda think Obi is mafia. Don't really know about Damdred/Palmar/Stutters, as I have reasons to think each of them are town. I think everyone should go back and look at how the Vivax wagon formed though. It just seems really weird to me and makes me think there could have been multiple mafia on it.
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I'm exhausted and going to bed soon.
Palmar feel free to read some of my posts and reply with something interesting before I go to sleep
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Also Palmar this whole not reading my posts and callling me mafia thing is getting really old. I really doubt you ever read my case on Obi, and if you had maybe we would have lynched mafia yesterday. Like what the hell is that? If you are going to call me mafia, at least first read the things of most significance that I'm bringing to the thread. Don't just tell everyone I'm mafia because you're bitter about some game you lost 6 months ago and found 2 posts in early D1 you didn't like. It's lazy at best and scummy at worst.
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Palmar: Hey everyone scib is mafia
Scib: Guys I think we should lynch Obi
Palmar: We are lynching vivax. He is mafia every time
Scib: OK fine
*flips town*
Scib: Hey Palmar maybe you should read my posts on Obi
Palmar: No screw you i don't need to
Palmar: And you are still mafia scib
Do you not see where I am coming from here?
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I think that's a fine thought process.
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I'm sober now
Extremely hangover, but sober
Palmar is Mafia.
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On May 20 2015 23:13 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm sober now
Extremely hangover, but sober
Palmar is Mafia.
What made you come to that conclusion?
Now back to reading.
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On May 20 2015 19:55 sciberbia wrote:
This post will be a lot of interesting observations and no real conclusions. I'm hoping someone else can tell me what to make of these observations.
The start of the Vivax wagon is really bizarre. There are 0 votes on Vivax and the lynch seems to be coming down to Shockey vs Obi. Then, Palmar makes a case on Vivax, and shortly thereafter, 4 votes drop on Vivax within the span of 2 minutes of each other: Damdred --> Stutters --> Palmar --> Obi
GB makes a good point that Damdred's vote is questionable. Idk if Damdred is scum, because there were serveral things in his filter I thought were townie, but the vote is definitely a bit odd. He had scumreads on shockey, zealos, and obi which he never backed down from, yet he just kinda organizes this voteswitch onto vivax out of nowhere.
Stutters, having not said jack shit about Vivax all day, sheeps Palmar's case.
Palmar then drops his vote at Damdred's prompting. So, the previous leading candidate was Obi/Shockey. Palmar never even looks at my case on Obi or mentions Obi at all. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred, his other top scumread, is the one organizing the switch onto Vivax. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred is voting Vivax out of nowhere. Kinda sketchy. Like I'm not expecting Palmar to unvote Vivax just because Damdred voted him. But I would have expected Palmar to least raise eyebrows at Damdred's behavior. Instead, he just seems happy to have another disciple for his Vivax case.
Lastly, Obi who is clearly trying very hard not to get lynched and paying close attention to the vote count, has left his vote on the Shockey counterwagon to himself until he is assured that the Vivax counterwagon is strong enough. Then he switches his vote.
I still kinda think Obi is mafia. Don't really know about Damdred/Palmar/Stutters, as I have reasons to think each of them are town. I think everyone should go back and look at how the Vivax wagon formed though. It just seems really weird to me and makes me think there could have been multiple mafia on it.
Both Palmar and Obi are mafia.
After you question obi:
On May 20 2015 04:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
A) I questioned stutters before I changed my read on Damdred.
B) It doesn't fucking matter.
As for me being more active when I have votes on me, it's almost like I'm trying not to be lynched. :o
Why doesn't he want to be lynched? So the mafia can continue to win of course. I don't care if I get lynched cause at least everything I've said will help town in the future, the point is to win. While obi just seems like he wants to survive to the last day
Vivax's first vote was for Obi:
On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote:
Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win.
##Vote Obi
Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time.
On May 20 2015 05:25 Palmar wrote:
I'm genuinely mad at him for being town.
Are you? really?
Why would Palmar decide to just provide a case against Vivax? Because he was going after his partner. Just like what happened to me on day one. I went after Palmar and Palmar and Obi followed - as they still do so now. It was easy to remove on town person they knew was town, he wasn't as active as others and his style was not what people were used to, which made it easier to pin him as mafia. Of course everyone bought into that random mumbo jumbo and lynched our VT.
Either way, I'm still sticking to my votes and still will be going after Palmar and Obi.
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I think this is the correct vote count for eod.
On May 20 2015 03:01 KelsierSC wrote:Vote Count: Damdred(0) - , Palmar, GlowingBear, Zealos[/s[
Zealos (0) - , Onegu
Palmar (0) - Zealos, ShoCkeyy,
TheShining(0) - Stutters
ShoCkeyy(2) - GlowingBear, Sciberbia, ObiWanShinobi, Oatsmaster
Onegu(1) - Qwerty
ObiWanShinobi(3) - Sciberbia, Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Qwerty, Qwerty
Vivax(8) - Oatsmaster, Damdred, Stutters, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Zealos, The Shining, Onegu, Glowing Bear, Qwerty
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Before I get to far into this or who I think is scum, an honest question how is this post
+ Show Spoiler +On May 20 2015 04:53 Vivax wrote:
Seems I don't have enough time for a thorough reread.
Anyway you know about my Palmar read. I just don't think this is his town play, simply put. Can't explain it. There's just no feeling behind it that he is willing to solve the game.
I scumread Obi based on the question GB loved. The thingy where he asks why a guy resorts to policy or something. I don't think that's a serious question, as in it's faked. Can't explain why in detail.
Sciberbia felt suspicious to me in the beginning, but the high activity makes it hard for me be confident about this. Anyway he's a good target for a coop check.
Damdred, no idea, he seemed a bit afk at the beginning I guess, also the post where he says something then just accepts it as it is.
Onegu, can easily be mafia. He's usually a bit more headstrong than that in picking his lynches.
For post-lynch, look at who agrees with Palmar's points and who pushes the wincon stuff. If they do both they might be lying.
so towny to get you to bet that he is town and willing to switch off the last minute? There is nothing really concrete or really overall really great in this list. Everything is pretty much half done, well I guess can't really explain. I just don't see the super towny post that would cause Qwerty to go yep hes town and switch.
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I'll get to Qwerty in a minute though
Damdred(0) - , [s]Palmar, GlowingBear, [s]Zealos[/s[
Zealos (0) - , Onegu
Palmar (0) - Zealos, ShoCkeyy,
TheShining(0) - Stutters
ShoCkeyy(2) - GlowingBear, Sciberbia, ObiWanShinobi, Oatsmaster
Onegu(1) - Qwerty
ObiWanShinobi(3) - Sciberbia, Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Qwerty, Qwerty
Vivax(8) - Oatsmaster, Damdred, Stutters, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Zealos, The Shining, Onegu, Glowing Bear, Qwerty
I know my own alignment so i'm coloring myself town, if you disagree that's just to bad I guess when the vig/scum shoot me tonight you will know for sure, vivax is confirmed town obviously.
Shining is town, he just can't fake his emotional posts as scum he always comes off as so dry and unemotional when he rolls scum. He doesn't have the experience to change his meta and his tone, he also comes across as super truthful and it seems whenever he is here he is at least trying to do something. Pick up the activity bud so you aren't a mislynch later, but this guy is town.
Glowing Bear I still have as town currently but the way that hes bashing me over the head for the Vivax lynch is incredibly bad. For example he lays all the blame on my feet but doesn't take responsibility for not pushing his lynch instead just keep asking people how is this person town and then sheeping onto someone that he doesn't have a town read on and previously was thinking that person could be scum. Also decided to vote with his scum read in Damdred instead of sticking to his guns and trying to push his preferred lynch in shockeyy through.
Let me be clear i'm still relatively sure that GB is town, his early read post and his reaction to other things in the thread has been extremely towny and has been extremely proactive as the game has went along instead of reactive. I'm pretty sure hes town honestly just has some problems that should be watched out for as the game goes along.
(took away the off wagons that had no votes to make it look a tad better)
ShoCkeyy(1) - GlowingBear, Sciberbia, ObiWanShinobi, Oatsmaster
ObiWanShinobi(3) - Sciberbia, Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Qwerty, Qwerty
Vivax(8) - Oatsmaster, Damdred, Stutters, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Zealos, The Shining, Onegu, Glowing Bear, Qwerty
I actually still think Palmar is kind of towny here, his Vivax case was really good no matter what people said about it. It showed pretty good thoughts, while his activity is lacking the thought process and attention to detail on the case was still pretty good. Really liked the thoughts even if he was wrong, initial push on me I still think was kind of towny even if people hate that thought.
I talked about obi earlier I just think hes putting himself in really bad situations that he wouldn't do if he was scum. I talked about it earlier in my filter.
ShoCkeyy(1) - GlowingBear, Sciberbia, ObiWanShinobi, Oatsmaster
ObiWanShinobi(3) - Sciberbia, Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Qwerty, Qwerty
Vivax(8) - Oatsmaster, Damdred, Stutters, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Zealos, The Shining, Onegu, Glowing Bear, Sciberia, Qwerty
I'm pretty sure that Scib is town, even if I disagree with some of the things hes saying currently I believe that hes trying to figure out the game, he has really good questions and follow up with those questions asking them until he gets an answer. His case on Obi was pretty good and showed really good thought process and didn't seem made up. We also had the same thoughts at certain points in the game and I liked that.
This leads me to where i'm going to pick out two scum.
Qwerty and Stutters are two scum.
Qwertys reasoning and push against Vivax is completely fake as I said earlier there is no reason at all to think Vivax is town from the mess of reads he posted at eod that he even said wasn't very good for not being able to reread. His postings are really missing for most of the day and overall they don't redeem his game play, his switch was scummy. His reasonings are somewhat shallow and at points it really doesn't seem like hes hunting scum.
His switch off of Vivax looks like TMI.
Stutters is a bit harder to understand as some of his stuff looks decent at first glance. The first thing is that he says he is going to be good as he will be motivated by assassination mafia. Which he is not here, he promises content but never really delivers on it.
Also if you read LightningStrikes analysis of Stutters meta (shout out to my boy ls) he does a really good job describing stutters meta in Ippo Mafia. You can see some of the parallels here bad cases to put scum on towny Shining with a terrible case. I also would like to point out that hes nto really taking any risks in his postings or ideas which he is prone to do as town but isn't really doing it here.
Also he is ok with lynching Qwerty but never really pushes him at all or mentions him again.
These two are the most likely scum atm.
ShoCkeyy(1) - GlowingBear, Sciberbia, ObiWanShinobi, Oatsmaster
ObiWanShinobi(3) - Sciberbia, Vivax, ShoCkeyy, Qwerty, [red]Qwerty[/red[
Vivax(8) - Oatsmaster, Damdred, [red]Stutters[/red[, Palmar, ObiWanShinobi, Zealos, The Shining, Onegu, Glowing Bear, Sciberia, Qwerty
I actually think that Shockeyy is kinda townish here. Even though I don't understand where hes coming from or going to i'd probably cop check him at some point after we take out stutters and qwerty, however its just to naïve I think to be scum here.
This leaves me with Zealos, Onegu and Oats for the last scum. Currently i'm going with Zealos I think, i'm torn on all of them oats shows some form of rationale thought, onegu is a bit try hard for my taste here but still contributes.
Zealos spends most of the day tunneled on me but brings me to null for no real reason that I see(?) he also has disappeared for the entire night not really interested in finding scum or giving his thoughts.
I'm sort of ok with a team of Zealos, Stutters and Qwerty currently.
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On May 20 2015 23:55 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 19:55 sciberbia wrote:
This post will be a lot of interesting observations and no real conclusions. I'm hoping someone else can tell me what to make of these observations.
The start of the Vivax wagon is really bizarre. There are 0 votes on Vivax and the lynch seems to be coming down to Shockey vs Obi. Then, Palmar makes a case on Vivax, and shortly thereafter, 4 votes drop on Vivax within the span of 2 minutes of each other: Damdred --> Stutters --> Palmar --> Obi
GB makes a good point that Damdred's vote is questionable. Idk if Damdred is scum, because there were serveral things in his filter I thought were townie, but the vote is definitely a bit odd. He had scumreads on shockey, zealos, and obi which he never backed down from, yet he just kinda organizes this voteswitch onto vivax out of nowhere.
Stutters, having not said jack shit about Vivax all day, sheeps Palmar's case.
Palmar then drops his vote at Damdred's prompting. So, the previous leading candidate was Obi/Shockey. Palmar never even looks at my case on Obi or mentions Obi at all. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred, his other top scumread, is the one organizing the switch onto Vivax. He also does not seem concerned that Damdred is voting Vivax out of nowhere. Kinda sketchy. Like I'm not expecting Palmar to unvote Vivax just because Damdred voted him. But I would have expected Palmar to least raise eyebrows at Damdred's behavior. Instead, he just seems happy to have another disciple for his Vivax case.
Lastly, Obi who is clearly trying very hard not to get lynched and paying close attention to the vote count, has left his vote on the Shockey counterwagon to himself until he is assured that the Vivax counterwagon is strong enough. Then he switches his vote.
I still kinda think Obi is mafia. Don't really know about Damdred/Palmar/Stutters, as I have reasons to think each of them are town. I think everyone should go back and look at how the Vivax wagon formed though. It just seems really weird to me and makes me think there could have been multiple mafia on it. Both Palmar and Obi are mafia. After you question obi: Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 04:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
A) I questioned stutters before I changed my read on Damdred.
B) It doesn't fucking matter.
As for me being more active when I have votes on me, it's almost like I'm trying not to be lynched. :o Why doesn't he want to be lynched? So the mafia can continue to win of course. I don't care if I get lynched cause at least everything I've said will help town in the future, the point is to win. While obi just seems like he wants to survive to the last day Vivax's first vote was for Obi: Show nested quote +On May 20 2015 00:30 Vivax wrote:
Going to a friend so I'll keep being lazy and just sheep scib's big case, plus I had a feeling Obi was scum earlier. So seems like a win-win.
##Vote Obi
Will probably be back around 8-9 PM my time. Are you? really? Why would Palmar decide to just provide a case against Vivax? Because he was going after his partner. Just like what happened to me on day one. I went after Palmar and Palmar and Obi followed - as they still do so now. It was easy to remove on town person they knew was town, he wasn't as active as others and his style was not what people were used to, which made it easier to pin him as mafia. Of course everyone bought into that random mumbo jumbo and lynched our VT. Either way, I'm still sticking to my votes and still will be going after Palmar and Obi.
I don't even see how you could have reached the conclusion that both Palmar and I are mafia with this post.
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Not even a comment on my post obi sadness
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Just so the thread knows I got warned for quoting the vote and putting the rest of the votes in it by our mods, so if they don't do updated vote counts don't try to post things and accidently miss a name or put a wrong number you might get mod killed. Don't want anyone to get mod killed for doing a voting analysis or anything that's untoward
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On May 20 2015 19:36 Palmar wrote:
Sciberbia is still mafia btw, but remember we never lynch him and lose game.
Nice 16000.
How sure are you on this. I cant get over the feeling...
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But again I got nothing on him...
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