EPTWhy wouldn't you give GB your read on him at the start of the game? Did you ever answer that question?
I'm just doing a bunch of rereading and haven't made any conclusions, but it would be nice to get an answer here.
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Why wouldn't you give GB your read on him at the start of the game? Did you ever answer that question? I'm just doing a bunch of rereading and haven't made any conclusions, but it would be nice to get an answer here. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I think the game was like 20-30 posts old at most so can't really get much out of a null indicator at that moment | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
vivax is terrible. Palmar, can you give me any reasons why Shockeyy is town ignoring the crazy shit. qwertys switch looks really bad, 2bad2bscum is not a thing. and his other posts dont exactly redeem him. This damdred/gb shitfest feels a lot like town-town just because that both of them dont want to back down. Give me reasons why stutters is mafia damdred. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 20 2015 10:41 Oatsmaster wrote: qwertys switch looks really bad, 2bad2bscum is not a thing. This isn't even a 2bad2bscum thing. Changing your vote at the last second to a different candidate isn't a bad play, if you really think there is new information that makes the person you were previously voting more likely to be town. And Vivax turned out to be town. So the case on qwerty, if any, is really 2good2bscum. It boils down to: Do you think it is possible that he really had a change of heart on Vivax and decided Vivax looked more townie? (I do) Do you think it is possible that he really thought a voteswitch was possible? (I do) Do you think that he was trying to make himself look better post-flip by waffling around at the last second? (I don't) The only way you can answer yes to this last question is if you think qwerty is a moron. I could have told you 1000 times out of 1000 that he would get flak for that switch. And at least 3 people have already called him out on it. I know I'm defending qwerty pretty hard but I just have a really gut feel that he is town. I remember this game from forever ago, Newbie Mini XV, in which funnily enough, Vivax self-voted at the end of day 2, and multiple townies suddenly thought he was town, but figured there wasn't time for a vote switch. I feel like I have seen other cases like this as well. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
the case on qwerty, if any, could be more accurately described as 2good2btown I guess, given that Vivax flipped town | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
What do you think about what I've said about qwerty since the flip? Do you agree with it? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 20 2015 11:00 sciberbia wrote: This isn't even a 2bad2bscum thing. Changing your vote at the last second to a different candidate isn't a bad play, if you really think there is new information that makes the person you were previously voting more likely to be town. And Vivax turned out to be town. So the case on qwerty, if any, is really 2good2bscum. It boils down to: Do you think it is possible that he really had a change of heart on Vivax and decided Vivax looked more townie? (I do) Do you think it is possible that he really thought a voteswitch was possible? (I do) Do you think that he was trying to make himself look better post-flip by waffling around at the last second? (I don't) The only way you can answer yes to this last question is if you think qwerty is a moron. I could have told you 1000 times out of 1000 that he would get flak for that switch. And at least 3 people have already called him out on it. I know I'm defending qwerty pretty hard but I just have a really gut feel that he is town. I remember this game from forever ago, Newbie Mini XV, in which funnily enough, Vivax self-voted at the end of day 2, and multiple townies suddenly thought he was town, but figured there wasn't time for a vote switch. I feel like I have seen other cases like this as well. Well no, some people were bringing up the point that scum wont so obviously switch off a mislynch. I think they would. And it is definitely to make himself look better. There is literally no other reason, as town or mafia to switch so late without other people doing it. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 20 2015 11:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Well no, some people were bringing up the point that scum wont so obviously switch off a mislynch. I think they would. And it is definitely to make himself look better. There is literally no other reason, as town or mafia to switch so late without other people doing it. Is it not possible that he was trying to get Obi lynched? If he gets like 2 or 3 more people to switch then Obi gets lynched instead of Vivax. There were like 5 minutes left - it's like not completely impossible. Personally I was pretty borderline between the two. I could maybe have been persuaded to switch if Vivax had made a more well thought-out reads post. If qwerty was just doing it to make himself look better I would say he has to be mafia 100%. But I don't see why he can't really have been trying to get Obi lynched. A bit naive/optimistic of him maybe, but I find it plausible. | ||
Fecalfeast
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On May 20 2015 08:47 ShoCkeyy wrote: Just getting out of work, will read up later, but the bandwagon on vivax? Really?.... I really dont like this post. Just gives me the Heebie Jeebies. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Ok I guess that makes sense. Maybe he is tunneled town... | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 20 2015 13:46 Onegu wrote: I really dont like this post. Just gives me the Heebie Jeebies. Why does it give you the Heebie Jeebies. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Here is the biggest reason I did not want to lynch stutters yesterday. On May 19 2015 01:00 Stutters695 wrote: I'm still waffling over GBs list post. There are glaring inconsistencies I'm surprised no one has noticed, but it just feels town. I need to think on that. His other posting especially is what keeps me from scumming him. This seems really townie to me. In the following analysis, the question of whether there actually were inconsistencies in GB's post is irrelevant. What matters is that, regardless of his alignment, I think it is safe to assume that Stutters really did find things in GB's post that he considered to be inconsistencies. If you are going to make this statement as scum, you would have to be crazy not to have some inconsistencies in mind that you could bring up if GB (or anyone else) calls you out on this. Now if I am scum, and I see glaring inconsistencies in someone's post that nobody has brought up, I am very likely to point them out in order to make myself look smart. Additionally, I would relish the chance to throw dirt on a townie (assuming GB is town). I would probably not keep them to myself, and say that despite the inconsistencies, I just have a gut town feel on the person's posts. It's just a really weird thing for a scum to do. What do you think of this? Other people feel free to comment but I mostly want Damdred's opinion. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 20 2015 11:56 sciberbia wrote: Is it not possible that he was trying to get Obi lynched? If he gets like 2 or 3 more people to switch then Obi gets lynched instead of Vivax. There were like 5 minutes left - it's like not completely impossible. Personally I was pretty borderline between the two. I could maybe have been persuaded to switch if Vivax had made a more well thought-out reads post. If qwerty was just doing it to make himself look better I would say he has to be mafia 100%. But I don't see why he can't really have been trying to get Obi lynched. A bit naive/optimistic of him maybe, but I find it plausible. I dont think so, qwerty never explained why vivax was suddenly town, or obi was suddenly scum. It really looked a lot to me like qwerty didnt really care whether vivax or obi was lynched and just switched off because he wanted to look good. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
On May 20 2015 13:54 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think so, qwerty never explained why vivax was suddenly town, or obi was suddenly scum. It really looked a lot to me like qwerty didnt really care whether vivax or obi was lynched and just switched off because he wanted to look good. Well it's possible that you are right and I am wrong. We will just have to disagree on this I guess because that's not the feeling I get. Here is qwerty's explanation as to why vivax was suddenly town to him. Idk if you missed it + Show Spoiler [qwerty] + On May 20 2015 05:08 Qwerty! wrote: he came back and provided a reads post that i felt was mostly sensible, and i agreed with his onegu read in particular one of the reasons i voted for vivax was i saw scrib's post that vivax wasnt here while he said he would be here... but vivax posting nullified that argument the similarities to assassination were very noticeable as well One last thing and then I'll try to stop talking about qwerty. I feel like he could have easily stopped posting after this post 40 minutes to the deadline and looked fine: + Show Spoiler [voting obi] + On May 20 2015 04:19 Qwerty! wrote: It seems that I'm only reading at the rate that you guys are posting... this isn't working. are we actually killing vivax? would much rather kill obi ##vote ObiWanShinobi He voted obi, reasonably justified in doing so since he previously explained why he did not want to lynch vivax. Vivax was still set to be lynched, and even more votes started coming in on Vivax. If qwerty is mafia, he already knows vivax will flip town, so he can just leave his vote on Obi and come out looking 'good' after the flip. Adding his vote as like the 9th vote to Vivax and the swapping back to Obi at the last second just seems like such an unnecessary ploy. | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
Because I have made that exact post as scum before. | ||
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sciberbia
United States1359 Posts
Who do you think is mafia? Who do you think we should be considering lynching tomorrow? | ||
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Qwerty!
106 Posts
 ObiWanShinobi is scum mostly because of scriberbias case. i noticed two additional reasons. 1. inconsistent tone obi normally plays as he pleases, and is willing to be aggressive, disagree with people, and doesnt really care what others think of him. this game has many examples of this. however, there is one post that is a major departure from this: On May 19 2015 11:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i dont really see this post coming from a town obi at all (given the tone of the rest of his posts this game). Town can be headstrong and stubborn, town can be apologetic and meek, but its really hard to see both in such a short time period.I'm aware I'm being a useless shit but I will try to rectify this tonight. Questions/concerns can be levied to me at your leisure. To answer Damdred: I mostly think Shining is town because I don't think he would necessarily lie about any kind of health condition in a game. It's not exactly a strong read at this point in time but there you go. (Besides that fact, I thought him coming back during his trip just to try to make stuff happen was pretty town, plus I thought his other posts were relatively strong enough to warrant a townread.) And it's not like obi put out enough content to fully correct his being useless, but his tone completely reverted to his original complete confidence. 2. i feel a tone change once the lynch started shifting to vivax. this isnt necessarily an issue, but obi's tone (to me) seems to be smug, which isnt really fitting for a townie who was just up for lynch. as for onegu... i checked my meta more carefully, and i was mistaken about the frequency that he complains about being town. this is pretty embarrassing... still, its a point against him, and im suspicious of him. another reason he is scummy is how aggressively he commented on plynches and inactives (his second read of the game is on me), when i know that he hates inactives, shown by this post from Student Mafia VIII. And from this game: On May 19 2015 11:44 Onegu wrote: Could lynch into the lurkers. And sho also. On May 19 2015 04:01 Onegu wrote: I bolded the inconsistency. I find it really strange that onegu is inconsistent about how his stance on less active players,I really dont like zelous at this point. First he says only one of palmar or damdred is mafia. He votes Damdred for not looking like his assassination game. Which doesnt make much sense as my play isnt going to look like that game either. Then he says we should switch to palmar for???? Not really sure I guess because palmar hasnt done anything... Then he goes back to Damdred for the same assassination reason. What changed Palmar still hasnt done anything. So why switch again? ##Vote Zealous On May 19 2015 13:01 Onegu wrote: And a final example. From someone who hates plynching inactives?Quarty gets replaced I think, even though I have seen him post in other threads. Really if he comes in and posts and makes a vote I could really lynch him. By the time of the lynch, Onegu expressed suspicions on the following: Qwerty! GlowingBear Sealoz Shockey Vivax Oatsmaster Palmar (more on this later) scriberbia I don't really see a sense of direction here at all. he's fanning out and giving him as many lynch choices as possible. He's also really heavily following the thread sentiment on all of his votes (Sealoz and then Vivax). Policy voting me isnt enough to change this. Finally, his discussion with palmar makes no sense. First he seems disappointed that Palmar disappeared, and he says that he disagreed with Palmar's first read. Palmar never explains his Damdred scumread. Still, Onegu alternates between begging Palmar to come back and solve the game and being potentially willing to lynch him. my head is hurting (i got a cold  ), this is about it from me for tonight, i think. will answer any questions though.not really sure about the third mafia yet, though some of stutters' early posts were really suspicious (specifically the way he referenced how assassination mafia changed his mindset). | ||
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Onegu
United States9699 Posts
On May 20 2015 14:17 sciberbia wrote: @Onegu Who do you think is mafia? Who do you think we should be considering lynching tomorrow? Sho, Zeal, and I still dont really like qwerty, I mean he could be tunneled town, but still dont like his omgus on me. | ||
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Qwerty!
106 Posts
On May 20 2015 15:08 Onegu wrote: so youre not sure of my alignment, but you arent going to ask me any questions to help figure it out?Sho, Zeal, and I still dont really like qwerty, I mean he could be tunneled town, but still dont like his omgus on me. do you have any thoughts about the case i posted above? (and dont try to pretend that 10 minutes wasnt enough time, i didnt say that much) | ||
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