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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 19 2015 20:25 GMT
#661
I'm genuinely mad at him for being town.
Computer says mafia
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 19 2015 20:25 GMT
#662
On May 20 2015 05:17 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 05:14 sciberbia wrote:
On May 20 2015 05:13 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On May 20 2015 05:12 sciberbia wrote:
On May 20 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Qwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline.


This is very wrong. Anybody who is not a complete moron would know that nobody is going to say "Great job Qwerty! You knew he was town. If only we had listened to you!"

On the contrary, anyone who has played any amount of mafia here should know that people are going to be raising eyebrows at his vote switch. Precisely because it is such an eye-catching and arguably bad play, I honestly think he is town.

I'm not saying we should have switched votes or that his vote switch was a good play. But I think he is town.

Actually reading his posts on this page I feel pretty strongly that he is town.


This is assuming mafia don't do it.

Mafia does it all the time.


Show me a few examples of mafia spazzing out in reaction to a last second reads post and asking for a vote switch.

If you can, then I will consider changing my read on Qwerty.


Off the top of my head, Breshke in New Years'.


I looked through the game and have no idea what you are talking about. He doesn't look to have done anything similar to what Qwerty did here. Please quote posts
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
May 19 2015 20:26 GMT
#663
Yeah we are lynching qwerty tommorow

There is no ifs and or buts about it. Its done.

He has done nothing is jumping around and his big read is a OMGUS on me with very little back up.

@Sciberia. Like I dont know just a feeling... Like I just keep flashing back to that game where you got a fake green check...
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 20:30 GMT
#664
On May 20 2015 05:22 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred 300% Mafia

Yes, you might be too.


Yeah, I sure am.

Palmar pls.
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 19 2015 20:38 GMT
#665
On May 20 2015 05:26 Onegu wrote:
Yeah we are lynching qwerty tommorow

There is no ifs and or buts about it. Its done.

He has done nothing is jumping around and his big read is a OMGUS on me with very little back up.

@Sciberia. Like I dont know just a feeling... Like I just keep flashing back to that game where you got a fake green check...

Well I try to imitate my town game when I am scum so it shouldn't be entirely surprising that my play this game (town) reminds you of that game (scum).

Anyway, you will also remember from that game that you tunneled town!Mocsta for days. I think you are town here, and I just want you to try to keep an open mind about qwerty because he may or may not be scum.

What strikes me as townie is that he is actually annoyed that people didn't switch. It seems like he really really thought that we could switch. Just seems genuine to me. Spur of the moment, appropriate emotion is difficult to fake as scum.

On May 20 2015 05:08 Qwerty! wrote:
im just kind of annoyed, not that ppl didnt switch, but that people didnt even bother to post and respond to vivax or ask me why to switch

On May 20 2015 05:09 Qwerty! wrote:
maybe if people actually bothered trying to post there could have been a vote switch... enough ppl were online

sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 19 2015 20:45 GMT
#666
@Onegu
One other thing. I agree with you that his read on you is not very good. But townies can make bad reads. What is impressive is the way that he consistently acts in accordance with that read. It doesn't look fake:

On May 19 2015 16:01 Qwerty! wrote:
onegu because hes been largely serious (suggests he is scum) and he did not mention being sad about rolling town like hes done in his last many town games... also hes just asking questions and generally not taking stances, plus he advocated plynch and he hates plynches

On May 19 2015 16:32 Qwerty! wrote:
@everyone
i think that onegu is the best lynch today

##vote onegu

"lead me, follow me, or get out of my way" - General George Patton

On May 19 2015 17:00 Qwerty! wrote:
i'm really interested in seeing what others think about an onegu lynch...

On May 20 2015 05:08 Qwerty! wrote:
vivax wasn't doing anything that made him town

but he came back and provided a reads post that i felt was mostly sensible, and i agreed with his onegu read in particular


The last quote in particular is impressive. If he is scum, he remembered that he lied about having a scumread on you, and then thought to use that as justification for why he sympathized with Vivax in the spur of the moment.

Anyway, I will reread him and think about what you have said about him, but these things make me think he could be town.

Again, I'm not saying he is playing well so far or that his read on you is good. But that doesn't make him mafia.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 21:41 GMT
#667
I don't see town Damdred giving a townread on Vivax, scumreading obi, seeing a wagon on obi being formed, never voting obi but voting Vivax just because palmar made a case in information that Damdred already knows
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 21:55 GMT
#668
Palomar made a good case. I already said before hat I really didn't want to lynch Obi today
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 21:58 GMT
#669
It's a good case with no new information. It shouldn't convince you that easily. You had a town lean on Vivax. If you had a town lean on him, you should also not want to lync Vivax today, as I didn't want to lynch oats because I had a hunch he is town.

You have no reason to vote Vivax before obi or Shockey. Not a single one.
I'm adorable.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 19 2015 21:59 GMT
#670
@GB
That's an interesting point. Maybe damdred is scum but if he is he's playing quite well imo.

@Damdred
Why didn't you want to lynch Obi?
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 22:08 GMT
#671
I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.

And I disagree I thought Palmar case was good as did a few other people, it's easy to say x has a town lean but it's different when that lean does absolutely nothing for 36 hours which is alignment indicative of that person
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 22:14 GMT
#672
On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote:
I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.

And I disagree I thought Palmar case was good as did a few other people, it's easy to say x has a town lean but it's different when that lean does absolutely nothing for 36 hours which is alignment indicative of that person


People that thought Palmar's case was good were people that already scumread Vivax before. You gave him a town lean.
Now you're talking about activity thing, but you know this is shit because you've just played a game where Vivax played just the same + Palmar even assumed the activity point is weak in his case. Stop trying to pretend Palmar's case brought something new to the table for you. Stop parroting obi's defense on you.

Obi is a sub optimal lynch day1? Why scumreading him then in the first place? Why getting busy with him?
Why not engaging Zealos, your second scumread that you COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT.

Argh
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 19 2015 22:21 GMT
#673
On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote:
I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.


Well now you've seen how he acted around the lynch and at the start of the night. Thoughts?

Also do you find anything I posted about him convincing?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 22:21 GMT
#674
WIFOMinstincs (TM) are saying that Palmar is town if at least one of Shockey or Obi are town. He wouldn't need to build a case on Vivax to help a scum partner to survive.

Which makes me believing in a possible team of Damdred/Obi/Zealos or Damdred/Shockey/Zealos.


I may be wrong on the two others because I am relying on association, but it is a possible team.
I'm adorable.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
May 19 2015 22:27 GMT
#675
@GB
I think we should focus on finding one mafia and only then worry about associations. Work off as few assumptions as possible.

Come to think of it, what do YOU think of Obi? I can't recall you ever giving a read on him.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 22:35 GMT
#676
On May 20 2015 07:21 sciberbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote:
I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.


Well now you've seen how he acted around the lynch and at the start of the night. Thoughts?

Also do you find anything I posted about him convincing?


I actually think Obi is town now, which is granted going to,bring heat on me.

I think the points you bring up aren't bad and they merit but, Obi as mafia has a clear agenda and I hinted at this earlier about leaving himself easy outs without bringing notice to himself. His initial vote on me I feel landed him in that category but later postings looked a lot more town Obi in that he left himself in bad positions to be called out on.

I'll go deeper at my larger analysis when I get off work But I'm happy to answer questions before then
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 22:37 GMT
#677
Stop,being bad GB. Vivax did not play like this in assassination he obviously cared and looked towny near eod where as here he didn't.

And again thus shirt point about ze who's on content at the time was in me how was I going to,engage him objectively at that point again?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 22:37 GMT
#678
Sciberbia, if Damdred is town in this game I'll stop playing Mafia for a full year.

Anyway, I still have obi as null/leaning scum. I don't see his town assertiveness in this game (which made me believe he was Mafia last game, but I was wrong), but hasn't done nothing scummy yet IMO.
That's the problem, though. I don't have enough information to work on.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
May 19 2015 22:38 GMT
#679
On May 20 2015 07:37 Damdred wrote:
Stop,being bad GB. Vivax did not play like this in assassination he obviously cared and looked towny near eod where as here he didn't.

And again thus shirt point about ze who's on content at the time was in me how was I going to,engage him objectively at that point again?


Why don't you lynch him for inactivity then, instead of Vivax?
I'm adorable.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
May 19 2015 22:39 GMT
#680
Lynch who for inactivity?
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