On May 20 2015 08:30 Damdred wrote:
The game really isn't that inactive though, some people do need to step up but it is what it is.

Also actively lurking eh stutters

I do that every game bud.

Stutters695

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May 20 2015 19:20 GMT

#768

If you're going to try and lynch me on meta Damdred, you might want to actually check it yourself. I promise stuff all the time and don't deliver on it all the time as town. The case on Shining wasn't bad considering. Bonus points to anyone who can tell me the two major flaws with the case.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 20 2015 19:22 GMT

#769

I'll be around more. Trying to get time to sit in front of a pc and really do this.

Stutters695

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May 20 2015 20:52 GMT

#806

Onegu, explain what made you shoot scib please.

Stutters695

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May 20 2015 21:06 GMT

#807

Also that is absolutely the correct time to claim as a vig unless he has more than one shot.

Stutters695

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May 21 2015 16:43 GMT

#861

Sorry guys, I just haven't been in the right mood to play this. Going to catch up and see what I can come up with.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 22 2015 05:05 GMT

#911

Vote Damdred. He's scum 90%+. I'm sorry, I really can't actually play right now, but he's scum.

Stutters695

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May 22 2015 05:28 GMT

#914

Because he's not blue. Enough said.

Stutters695

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May 22 2015 17:26 GMT

#951

I'm serious, Damdred is scum.

The odds of 4 blues is incredibly low for 13 player games. This is why I don't mind lynching into a claimed "blue"

That's not enough to lynch him for though alone. Go back to his filter and reread it. D1. Wants to lynch Zealos (early over weak stuff). The seriousness of his town read on Palmar before he really said anything. He calls Obi scum when he's barely posting but doesn't push him. Justifies his play so far as calling baddies bad.

Then without much having changed its Ze>Shock>Obi. Then he's back to list posting and discussions without actually looking for scum, but switches to Vivax.

His reads have no sense of consistency to them and no authority. He never actually pushes them, just throws them out and that's it.

What really made me notice this is

On May 20 2015 07:08 Damdred wrote:
I think Obi is a sub optimal lynch on day one and how he acts around the lynch and during the night is more telling in context then when he's being a bastard under pressure generally.

And I disagree I thought Palmar case was good as did a few other people, it's easy to say x has a town lean but it's different when that lean does absolutely nothing for 36 hours which is alignment indicative of that person

and his actions since calling me scum.

First the quote: this shows (along with the rest of the above stuff) his completely non-committal attitude towards actually lynching anyone.

Then the case on myself and Qwerty.

1. The case on myself is terrible. It's based entirely on my meta, through LS's analysis of it. What he neglected to mention was how I am a much less active poster as town prone to dropping posts like my thought on Shining. He also ignores my penchant for bussing as scum. It's blatant cherry picking.

He clearly made no effort to actually read any previous games as well as I am significantly less likely to follow up on promises as town since I do not feel guilty knowing I'll be able to establish myself when I actually play. Just a minor add-on to him not actually caring about anyone getting lynched.

I do actually agree with him on Qwerty from his case, however since then that's another flag. Once Qwerty slips his identity, he calls him scum yet would rather lynch Zealos (again).

Additionally, given Damdreds assassination play and his reason for town Palmar early, I would expect him to at least question or pressure me die claiming blue considering the circumstances. Off of my play to the point I claimed, I would not survive to endgame as scum so fake claiming would be reasonable, especially in a closed setup. I would expect him to make some note of that.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 22 2015 17:32 GMT

#953

Sorry that took so long, phone posting a case at work is brutal.

I'll read up on the shockey lynch real quick, but I really believe Damdred > Qwerty > everyone else at the moment.

Stutters695

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May 22 2015 17:48 GMT

#956

On May 23 2015 02:29 Damdred wrote:
None of that makes me scum honestly, I do stuff all the time that doesn't make sense to people.

I always sheep palmar when I don't have a lot of confidence check out noir 3 XD

anyway yea

You don't have a lot of confidence, but you call everyone's reads/them bad if they don't align with your own.

What I'm seeing this entire game is you don't have a lot of consistency with your thought process and are incredibly defensive and brush off any criticism because you don't have answers.

##vote Damdred

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 22 2015 18:02 GMT

#959

Anyway, after a quick refresher I don't think Shockey is a good lynch today for a couple reasons.

Although it is 90% associations he hasn't played in a long time. If you look at Ver/Incog's Assassination analysis (also old players) it's clear the meta of TL towns has changed. More importantly, although his associations are misguided, his thought process is clear and focused on trying to solve the game. That's incredibly hard to emulate as scum, especially when it's a weird style under constant scrutiny.

Based off of that, I see this lynch going the way of Vivax. An easy mislynch for scum to pile on inconspicuously. Granted I was so focused on writing that Damdred case I might have missed a point against him, but that's how I'm seeing his filter. Going to go check that, but I can't see anything that would make him a better lynch.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 22 2015 18:17 GMT

#962

Well I would rather lynch Zeal over Shock since Damdred clearly isn't happening.
##unvote
##vote Zealos

Stutters695

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May 22 2015 18:44 GMT

#969

On May 23 2015 03:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:

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Does it not bother you that Damdred, your prime scumread, is voting Zealos?

Slightly, however I can easily see Damdred bussing him. Damdred's scum read on him has been very non-committal but clearly suspects him. If I had been around yesterday to push, I would not be in favor of lynching him over Damdred or Trefel, however this close to lynch time that's unattainable and individually I have him as scummier than Shock.

Stutters695

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May 22 2015 18:46 GMT

#971

On May 23 2015 03:43 Onegu wrote:
So has anyone ever see stutters this lazy? Like he did nothing day one. He defends his meta saying he is less active as town?

Guess I have to check database

I could list ten more town tells that I haven't mentioned. I'm not getting lynched today so I'm not worried about defending myself. My point was LS accurately noted that in No Ippo yet Damdred doesn't address any of that when using meta to push me. Just the one point that hit his obviously false narrative.

Stutters695

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May 22 2015 18:59 GMT

#984

On May 23 2015 03:45 Damdred wrote:
LOL if you guys think this is how I bus you should be ashamed of yourselves especially gb

You're also very disinterested and quite frankly I wouldn't expect your best scum game considering you can just coast.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 22 2015 19:54 GMT

#1069

Qwerty or Zealos, Shockey should not be lynched

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 22 2015 19:58 GMT

#1084

On May 23 2015 04:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
People keep saying Shockey shouldn't be lynched but there's not a single person who can explain why.

I posted it right after my case on Damdred.

Stutters695

2610 Posts

May 23 2015 18:08 GMT

#1173

Sorry guys, I know my play so far has been terrible outside of yesterday really. Odds are I'm dead today as I doubt Damdred is a medic. I can live with that (pun intended) since I haven't really done much, but here's my last thoughts if that's the case.

I'll be at Sunset Music Festival today and tomorrow so I won't be on a lot before late night if I'm not too exhausted to play.

I'll try to get out more definitive stuff, but in case I die:

Damdred - I still think he's scum. If you're town, please read my case and evaluate it on your own. If he doesn't die and continues paying like he is lynch him. This is not up to his level of town play. I didn't mention this in the case, but he keeps saying Assassination doesn't count because of the post restrictions, but if you look at the posting amounts, he's averaging a similar number yet nowhere near the analysis or effort towards solving the game. I'm trying to not use meta when there is enough to actually read someone, but food for thought.

Unfortunately, I didn't get to type up what I wanted on the others before I have to go, but I've got Trfel as scum and the third is one of Shining or OWS. Maybe VCA and a reread would change my mind on Shockeyy but personally I want to lynch Damdred or Trfel. Trfel is probably the safer lynch, but Damdred as scum cracks the game open. Since it'll be mylo though, Trfel would be better I think.

Sorry again I wasn't more of a help, it's been a hell of a week and I didn't see all this coming when I ined.

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