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onegu obi maybe stutters? sorry vivax  | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:04 Damdred wrote: vivax wasn't doing anything that made him townQwerty why on earth was anything vivax posted enough to get you to flip out and beg for a switch? I really don't see vivax posting amazing towny stuff to warrant that reaction? but he came back and provided a reads post that i felt was mostly sensible, and i agreed with his onegu read in particular one of the reasons i voted for vivax was i saw scrib's post that vivax wasnt here while he said he would be here... but vivax posting nullified that argument the similarities to assassination were very noticeable as well im just kind of annoyed, not that ppl didnt switch, but that people didnt even bother to post and respond to vivax or ask me why to switch ill be back later... dont like mls | ||
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On May 20 2015 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: you know better than that for two reasonsQwerty's vote looks more like he's trying to look good after the flip rather than actually trying to save Vivax. There was no conceivable way Vivax could have been saved that close to deadline. 1. i switched to vivax as the 9th vote or 10th vote, smth like that... if i wanted to look good i just never would have switched to vivax in the first place 2. maybe if people actually bothered trying to post there could have been a vote switch... enough ppl were online | ||
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 ObiWanShinobi is scum mostly because of scriberbias case. i noticed two additional reasons. 1. inconsistent tone obi normally plays as he pleases, and is willing to be aggressive, disagree with people, and doesnt really care what others think of him. this game has many examples of this. however, there is one post that is a major departure from this: On May 19 2015 11:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: i dont really see this post coming from a town obi at all (given the tone of the rest of his posts this game). Town can be headstrong and stubborn, town can be apologetic and meek, but its really hard to see both in such a short time period.I'm aware I'm being a useless shit but I will try to rectify this tonight. Questions/concerns can be levied to me at your leisure. To answer Damdred: I mostly think Shining is town because I don't think he would necessarily lie about any kind of health condition in a game. It's not exactly a strong read at this point in time but there you go. (Besides that fact, I thought him coming back during his trip just to try to make stuff happen was pretty town, plus I thought his other posts were relatively strong enough to warrant a townread.) And it's not like obi put out enough content to fully correct his being useless, but his tone completely reverted to his original complete confidence. 2. i feel a tone change once the lynch started shifting to vivax. this isnt necessarily an issue, but obi's tone (to me) seems to be smug, which isnt really fitting for a townie who was just up for lynch. as for onegu... i checked my meta more carefully, and i was mistaken about the frequency that he complains about being town. this is pretty embarrassing... still, its a point against him, and im suspicious of him. another reason he is scummy is how aggressively he commented on plynches and inactives (his second read of the game is on me), when i know that he hates inactives, shown by this post from Student Mafia VIII. And from this game: On May 19 2015 11:44 Onegu wrote: Could lynch into the lurkers. And sho also. On May 19 2015 04:01 Onegu wrote: I bolded the inconsistency. I find it really strange that onegu is inconsistent about how his stance on less active players,I really dont like zelous at this point. First he says only one of palmar or damdred is mafia. He votes Damdred for not looking like his assassination game. Which doesnt make much sense as my play isnt going to look like that game either. Then he says we should switch to palmar for???? Not really sure I guess because palmar hasnt done anything... Then he goes back to Damdred for the same assassination reason. What changed Palmar still hasnt done anything. So why switch again? ##Vote Zealous On May 19 2015 13:01 Onegu wrote: And a final example. From someone who hates plynching inactives?Quarty gets replaced I think, even though I have seen him post in other threads. Really if he comes in and posts and makes a vote I could really lynch him. By the time of the lynch, Onegu expressed suspicions on the following: Qwerty! GlowingBear Sealoz Shockey Vivax Oatsmaster Palmar (more on this later) scriberbia I don't really see a sense of direction here at all. he's fanning out and giving him as many lynch choices as possible. He's also really heavily following the thread sentiment on all of his votes (Sealoz and then Vivax). Policy voting me isnt enough to change this. Finally, his discussion with palmar makes no sense. First he seems disappointed that Palmar disappeared, and he says that he disagreed with Palmar's first read. Palmar never explains his Damdred scumread. Still, Onegu alternates between begging Palmar to come back and solve the game and being potentially willing to lynch him. my head is hurting (i got a cold ), this is about it from me for tonight, i think. will answer any questions though.not really sure about the third mafia yet, though some of stutters' early posts were really suspicious (specifically the way he referenced how assassination mafia changed his mindset). | ||
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On May 20 2015 15:08 Onegu wrote: so youre not sure of my alignment, but you arent going to ask me any questions to help figure it out?Sho, Zeal, and I still dont really like qwerty, I mean he could be tunneled town, but still dont like his omgus on me. do you have any thoughts about the case i posted above? (and dont try to pretend that 10 minutes wasnt enough time, i didnt say that much) | ||
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On May 20 2015 15:25 sciberbia wrote: 1. Probably Shockey, Sealoz, or The Shining.@Qwerty 1) Let's suppose Stutters, Onegu, and Obi are all town. I ask because I don't think this is out of the question: who would you suggest we look into next? 2) Quick thoughts on Palmar's alignment? 3) Can you just quote the part of my case on Obi that you thought was most convincing? I'm just kinda curious and it might help me focus in on what really demonstrates Obi is mafia (if he is in fact mafia). im kinda just waiting on you, palmar, gb, and damdred. you guys are most likely town, but if you are scum i'd have a heck of a time trying to catch you, while after some time (d2) it should be much clearer. 2. palmar more likely town? he had some good points in his vivax case. though i dont really like the way he started the game. hes probably town for the vivax push, but again, it should be clearer based on his d2. 3. On May 19 2015 17:36 sciberbia wrote: The first point is the best, I think. He's been inconsistent about whether his read on Damdred was serious or a joke.1) His attitude toward Damdred in the middle of the day is extremely suspicious. | ||
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On May 20 2015 15:32 Onegu wrote: cuz you also know (or at least really ought to) that palmar is perfectly capable of doing zilch as town on day 1. see linux mini mafia for one example, see down under 2 (you played this game) for another exampleAnd what inconsistency are you talking about? Like Palmar considers his day one his best day. I have seen it, look at noir 3. So I wanted him to come back, if he didnt come back I was willing to lynch him. What is so confusing about this onegu also was suspicious of sealoz for scumreading a less active player, so thats info from this game | ||
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On May 20 2015 16:37 sciberbia wrote: can confirm not hfOh damn. I just realized whose smurf Qwerty might be. And if he is who I think he is, he has a very strong reputation as a scum player and I might have to seriously worry about him being scum after all. Qwerty what do? can also confirm that hf would be insulted if he knew you thought i might be him When Onegu wants to plynch an inactive, he says that plynching inactives is okay otherwise, onegu says that plynching inactives is bad (and uses this reasoning to scumread someone) hes not being consistent, hes trying to twist things to fit his own agenda | ||
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On May 21 2015 06:38 The Shining wrote: This is obviously false...QwerTruffle almost immediately jumped on Palmar NK possibly leading Damdred being scum when we all know NK = wifom. Night kills are not entirely WIFOM, they're always for a reason (even if sometimes that reason is hard to discern). The night kill possibly indicates that Damdred is scum, because Damdred has incentive to get rid of Palmar who is scumreading him, even if Palmar didn't provide reasoning. Does this mean that this is certainly the case, or even likely? Of course not. I was answering this question with my post: On May 21 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote: Why would scum shoot palmar... Anyway, I still think that Stutters695 is scum. On May 18 2015 05:25 Stutters695 wrote: Early activity excuse that applies for the first quarter or so of Day 1. Then he makes a pointless comment about applying the analysis from last game. It's an awkward entrance with unnecessary information, while trying to look like doing something, and making an activity excuse.Vibing to the day post, I like that. Weekends are my worst days for activity so I'm not sure how much I'll be around today. Definitely going to try and apply some stuff from the Assassin analysis to this game such as requesting people don't claim unecessarily. Other than that, Stutters695 has gone after weak players (with phrases like "I could lynch him"), hasn't provided much reasoning, and his original push on The Shining was really bad (Damdred explained why). | ||
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Sorry, I'll take a closer look at things tonight. | ||
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On May 21 2015 14:31 GlowingBear wrote: Can you explain why he is scum, please?REALLY? 24 hours and only 2 pages??? Are we lynching scumdred yet? | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:27 GlowingBear wrote: I'll await your case.Gonna make a case on him tomorrow Truffle, why you shouldn't be lynched? That's a fairly pointless question. A lot of the reasons that people are scumreading me are really bad (trying to answer your question? vote switch that amounted to nothing and had no mafia motivation?). Better reasons to scumread me are my laziness and poorly explained reads. Stutters695 is my preferred lynch at this time, I'm not so confident on Obi any more. | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:43 GlowingBear wrote: Your case had better be a really good case.I could lynch him too, oats. But I prefer Damdred I'll make the case tomorrow. Meanwhile, deal with the fact that Damdred was universally townread day1, hard claimed blue night 1, and is still alive Also think that now two confirmed townies (me and palmar) were both scumreading him. You see the hypocrisy in this quote alone? Perhaps the reason he didn't die is somehow related to two influential players scumreading him? It can't be both ways. | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:48 GlowingBear wrote: Obi's kept active and posting, and his recent posts have given me the impression that he's trying to solve the game. Mostly a tone read, partly increased content.What changed about obi? Why not Shockey over Stutters? How do you read Damdred and why? Again, Shockey is a really risky lynch, I can easily see him flipping town. He raises some good and insightful (if misguided) points. I didn't look at his more recent posting so much, though. Damdred is most likely town for filter length alone. I haven't found the quality of his posts to be all that great, but I am comfortable with reading him as town. | ||
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On May 21 2015 16:55 GlowingBear wrote: I haven't paid much attention to him yet, he's next on my list.Another question: what's your read on Zealos? | ||
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On May 21 2015 17:04 GlowingBear wrote: Many times, Shockey showed varying levels of suspicion of people. Even though I often disagree with how he got his reads, the level of suspicion indicated by his statements and how much he pushed the read seem to be related.Show me those points please. I need to see you thought process I'll kindly ask you to go to Zealos filter and give me a read on him I'll sleep now but tomorrow I'll be reading and bringing the arguments on Damdred This post shows the same mindset (suspicious of people who vote together), but with regards to votes on someone else, so there is some consistency there. I also like how Shockey picks up on a supposed inconsistency from Palmar, not including his scumread Damdred in his list (though of course this was due to a misinterpretation of Palmar's intent). Furthermore, (pending a review of Shockey's recent posting) I don't see good mafia motivation for playing this way. He might be scum, but I just don't see what makes him scum. | ||
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To be honest, I feel pretty terrible for signing up for this game when I didn't have the time or the motivation to play. It's not fair to everyone else in the game, even the scum. I'll do my best to get some motivation to reread this thread soon... On May 22 2015 02:58 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, you got me.You see, truffle, you say that he brings good and insightful points, but your thought process shows that you think Shockey is town for taking genuine stances, which is a complete different read. It sounded to me that you decided to call him town, and when inquired to check for the good points he brings, you fail. Easiest thing for Mafia is to form a scumteam out of association. The bad thing is that he considers my first post to call me possible town/mafia (the only two alignments possible, I know, SHOCKING) and scumreads palmar and obi for that association. It doesn't make sense because I'm the root of his scumreads. Associations are mostly like "if this guy is Mafia, THEN this guy is totally Mafia". So what does he have to do in order to verify if his reads are correct? Having me lynched first. But his thought process is the complete opposite. He wants PALMAR lynched first. It's not a natural stream of thought. It's fabricated. Also, this association thing is the easiest thing to do as Mafia. Tunneling on weak arguments is also the easiest path for a Mafia who thinks being aggressive is a townie trait. But, palmar flipped town, I'm confirmed town, and he has no 180 change of his reads. How do you explain that in a town perspective? He also had you as scum but never proceeded to talk about it. What do you make of it? You want the honest truth? You won't believe it, but here it is. I looked through his filter, and I saw some information and reads that I thought was perceptive, and I liked it. So I posted about it, and then you asked, and so I went back to find it, and I couldn't. I don't really know what to say, though that's probably related to my inability to focus.. Looking at Shockey's filter, I see why I didn't remember anything from his recent posting; there hasn't been any. He's almost certainly scum, town would make some new reads or at least apologize or do something other than just vanishing without explanation at all. He even goes so far as to say that he's not going to defend himself to find scum instead, and then proceeds to.... not find scum. ##vote ShoCkeyy As for the Damdred case: 1. I don't think that point #1 (the Palmar) read is alignment indicative. I think it's reasonable from Damdred regardless of his alignment. 2. This point looks very strong, though I need to check the context. 3. Read Linux Mini Mafia if you haven't already. But Damdred's explanation is somewhat plausible, and I really don't think that Damdred is the type of player who would post this much and be this aggressive. So I'll agree with not lynching him today. And he's probably still town. | ||
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