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And it is also my chance for some some pre game excuses! On the two upcoming weekends I have some stuff to do, so I will be a lot less active compared to week days. Anyway, looking forward to play my first mafia game ever! It ought to be good. | ||
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I read the thread and prepared a post a list of my thoughts on all the people in this thread. Please read it if you wanna know what I think! | ||
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Sulfurus Only guy I really liked actually. I liked SL interpretation of Breshke knowing about the scum QT, and Sulfu summarized my thoughts about this situation perfectly. I also liked that post on BM. For now he is the guy I'll sheep. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 11:34 Sulfurus wrote: @NinjaBunnies the most important point in this game so far is when Breshke 1st stared pushing on Sicklucker since the conflict between the two has defined the entire game. Speaking of that, Breshke is my top scum since he continuously pushes against Sicklucker with very bad reasoning (#159 he complains that he has disappeared and hasn't thought critically only 3 hours into the game) I also scum read Murray due to his weak and untrue accusation against Dis in post #191 which made me think Sick is town since he tried Bandwagoning on him but he has since rescinded his vote. On May 22 2015 13:07 Sulfurus wrote: Unvote Breshke ##Vote: Bill Murray I am actually astonished at how Murray can make so many posts with out providing anything of value on top of the fact that he has pushed every one of his agenda's in a scummy manner. In posts 231 - 235 Breshke defends himself and Plotspot in a towny way and reading back Sicklucker is less towny than I thought so Breshke is no longer my top mafia. Tictock Guffy at the beginning then ask some questions. I like it. Disformation Same feeling as Tictock. I like. Plus he stayed up until late when he is in Germany, I think it shows some dedication. Barakos Was in the AFK post but I saw he just posted. He is in the same timezone as me after all ... Liked that he posted a good analysis, even if I don't agree with it. But it never hurts to put pressure on people. People I don't know 27ninjabunnies He put pressure on SL as a joke, and then use this pressure to obtain info seriously! ... or at least that what I thought. Rereading his fitler he didn't use this pressure at all and has nothing worthwhile in his posts. sickluker Would have been on the don't like part if I didn't read the student IX game, where he played the same. Plus I liked his thoughts on Breshke knowing about the QT, however minor it is. Breshke At first on the I don't like part for the QT thing, but I liked his defense. People I don't like Scott31337 Two posts. One useless. The other one, that you can read on spoiler, is even worse IMO: he tries to discuss two things but is not saying anything worthwhile. Seems scum to me. +1 to SL even though it is an obivous joke. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote: Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1 Plotspot At other said, only one post which contained an excuse to lurk some more. Bill Muray Said nothing worthwhile. I agree (again!) with Sulfurus' post on him. batsnacks Really disliked his opening post as it was obviously prepared during the break before the game. For me it looks like he was thinking "hey I don't know what to say ? lets post some bullshit haha" Another thing, I disliked the post in spoiler. He asks a (good IMO) question to tictock, so goes on to pressure SL. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared. Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things. ##vote: sicklucker AFK boxerfred | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:07 Barakos wrote: @batsnacks: You said you were able to read stuff into the way people interpret your iching-writing. What do you make of disformations interpretation? And what do you get out of Tictocks response to your writing? Waiting for this as well. | ||
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On disformation, apparently you have the feeling he is like "I look like I contribute but actually I don't say anything", am I right ? Will reread now to see what you and barakos mean. | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:23 sicklucker wrote: Did you guys just plan your list posts in the qt or something Special tactics. Now that you have said your critics, could you comment ? I reread disformation's filter and even though your points about not contributing are true, I don't conclude the same with it for three reasons: 1 - She acted the same in student IX 2 - More people didn't contribute at all while looking they did, I'm thinking about 27ninjabunnies 3 - She put more pressure on BM than I thought, even it is in a "nice" way: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 09:01 disformation wrote: [...] I agree that BM should explain his bunnies vote, if he is as serious as he claims. On May 22 2015 09:15 disformation wrote: EBWOP: Well, I guess BM doesn't look all too serious to me. =p At least he is enjoying himself.  @BM: you lurking, or do you want to contribute something?  Thoughts on what happened so far? On May 22 2015 09:49 disformation wrote: [...] Don't like BM lurk mode either. [...] | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:26 Breshke wrote: Yes that seems to summaries it well. Being new though I could understand the lack of conclusions thing though. Also could you explain why my reasoning on SL was bad. To explain it again. It was told to everyone that QT's were available from 24 hours before the start of day. SL gave a town read on disformation because he said he didnt think he could post so fluently in the thread and would be trying to interact in the scum QT instead. I showed SL he was wrong and scumread him for basically giving away a free town read. He then continued to not give any reads and instead said he was town because of a dumbtell which could EASILY be faked and SL would do it in a newbie game he is disgusting like that. Yes im not pushing this that hard and did so to push the game forward but i don't see how it is "bad" reasoning. Could you explain this to me please? OK I was wrong. Your way of defending bothered me because I thought it want like that : First post of defense: you say that it's nonsense. Second post of defense: you quote the mod post, as if you only thought about it now. Rereading I see that you mention the mod post in your first defense post, so my logic is wrong. Here is the post I thought you slipped: On May 22 2015 08:48 Breshke wrote: It also says the all Qts were active in the like initial start of game post. I'm not going to read you for a dumbbell SL I'm going to read you on giving nonsensical town reads and not thinking critically about the game | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:27 sicklucker wrote: Like rels townread on barokos is given so easy and he posted like 6 minutes before he posted that huge list post. So were to believe he wrote that in 6 minutes or was nonstop pressing f5 to see if anyone posts as he made his list post? Potentially planned their stock as potential teammates went up I spent like 30 minutes writing the post, then I refreshed the thread to see if anyone had posted before I do. On May 22 2015 17:30 Breshke wrote: SL I think it is safe to assume rels wrote that thing in different parts. He has a section with multiple people in it called "People I really liked" but then says that disinformation is "The only person I really liked". This is null obviously but I think it like clears up whatever you are trying to get at in this post True. But Sulfu is the only guy I really liked. | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:28 sicklucker wrote: Rels voting a 0 poster is -ev. Better to vote someone you slightly suspect then a 0 poster that might be replaced or modkilled. Dont be afraid now Don't care. Mafia could not talk for the whole day and post at the end, not getting modkilled that way. Well, I suppose it's dumb the first day. Though now that the last no post player posted, my vote is no more. Onto the BM train! ##Unvote ##Vote Bill Muray | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:30 boxerfred wrote: While I understand that, I always thought yolo'ing votes on the first day is a stupid thing to do :/ Have you read the thread ? If yes what are your thoughts ? | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:58 sicklucker wrote: below expected value. It just means its not a good lynch based on numbers. If theirs a chance he can be modkilled even if small its a waste of a lynch Alright thanks (= Now since you're there: What do you think of disformation ? What do you think of Breshk's pressure ? | ||
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First, I really like Breshke now. At first I read him scum, I think I was influenced by sickluker QT thing and then Sulfu vote. Note: I still think that Sulfu vote was good as I had the same reaction as him. Second, about BM, see the quotes below (in spoiler so this post is not too long): + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 09:04 batsnacks wrote: (About BM) You're probably going to hit a wall here because he is almost certainly as serious as he claims. He has fired his shot the ball is in our court now. So @SL @Batsnacks and @Anyone that has every played with BM: Is there something I don't know ? Cause for me he is the most obvious scum of the thread, but is it normal for him even for town ? On May 22 2015 10:54 27ninjabunnies wrote: Everyone who is considered a newbie, answer this: What is the most important thing you think has happened in the game so far? Breshke pressure on SL. | ||
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On May 22 2015 19:07 boxerfred wrote: Well I'm AFK since I am on an EU schedule. However since I dislike people that vote for me, I'm willing to vote for them. However, I feel like voting randomly / for no reason rather means that someone wants to make a destructive impact to the game which strongly speaks for them being an evildoer. Thus I'd strongly recommend Rels to be checked upon. You seem pretty defensive for what was just a policy vote until you posted something. On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote: I have no idea who I should vote for :/ What is your most scum read atm ? | ||
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On May 22 2015 19:34 boxerfred wrote: Yeah I hate being voted out in first rounds because it just ruins the game for me. I'm a bad loser. My most scum read is Bill Murray but it's more indications than bullet proof theories. Yeah but it's cool that you voted and explained why. I like your points about masons. True or not, I would have never thought about that. Thanks I'll keep them in mind. | ||
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So a question for the both of you: could you read sickluker filter and tell me what you think ? | ||
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First reason In a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote: disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? On May 22 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote: well you should because thats how you read me town On May 22 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote: town points for not realizing their was a scum qt up for 24 hours like any town should On May 22 2015 11:22 sicklucker wrote: oh I totally took that post out of context hes asking me a qeustion pretty poor writinng . Oh well easy to read me town off that On May 22 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote: im so town it hurts Second reason On May 22 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote: @Breshke Humm you have a point. He did post an handful of stuff pretty fast and then bounce. Seems to be have just made a weak townread and then the weak towny post about not confusing us newbies. Last game when he was town he never gave a shit about confusing us newbies. Now he's making this post defending newbies and town reading Dis, one of the newbies who was also in the last game with us. This does seem like he's scum motivated. Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies. Third reason He says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this: On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait. definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train. That's it. I know SL's reputation of doing weird shit. Still, these reasons seems good to me to pressure him. | ||
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On May 22 2015 20:19 Barakos wrote: The thing in his filter, that looks a bit suspicious is the way he attacked you and me because our posts were 6 minutes apart and yours contained a comment on my post. He just dropped in basically said "you two are mafia together and plan your posts in your qt" and drops out without any form of questions or followup. Didn't like that at all. Especially since he doesn't even directly say "you two are mafia and are making plans together", which would be a valid accusation, someone could track back to him. He does it subtly without commiting to his suspicion and that's kinda putting me of. He'll have to anser to that, once he returns. That's exactly what I don't like, he does a lot of things subtily. On May 22 2015 20:19 Barakos wrote: The other thing is, that he soft-defends bm at several occasions, saying bm is a troll and lynchbait and that's something I agree with.. bm is kind of unreadable for me at the moment, so lynching him at this point would be a coinflip. I can totally agree with that argument of BM being a lynchbait. But I don't like the way SL said it. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 16:49 Barakos wrote: Morning everyone! I'm here now and almost done to catching up. First thoughts: I like breschke pushing/tunneling sl, to prevent him from being lazy. Makes breschke look town in my eyes. What I didn't like was disformations filter. All he has done so far is posting fluff and agreeing to people but not contributing in any form, except a very weak and non-commiting push on bm for lurking. And then there are these 2 posts: In the bolded parts, he explains what good townplay should look like, and what he would like to have done. And that is all he does... he explains and doesn't follow up with anything, that would be good townplay... he just shows, that he knows, what town should do but does actually nothing. But since he shows, that he knows, what good townplay looks like, he is still "looking good" and tries to give the impression, that he is town but just hasn't had the opportunity to really do stuff. So for now my vote is on him. ##vote disformation On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote: Hey! I knew i remembered your name my first game was your first game barakos but lets not remember that game. You raise a good point. Looking through his filter he doesn't seem to draw conclusions from stuff like in your last quote he says a bunch of stuff about SL but doesn't really draw a conclusion from any of it. I do kind of like the reason he gave for the ticktock townread while the reason doesn't hold weight with me I think it is a good reason to town-read someone. It is good enough for me to change my vote though ##Unvote ##Vote disformation (totally thought his name was disinformation) I also kind of don't like this When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy | ||
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So I think he will be glad to read your case on bunnies when you make it. | ||
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List of people I would agree to lynch atm, in order: BM plotspot scott SL 27nb batsnacks | ||
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On May 22 2015 22:28 Rels wrote: Nice! Looking forward your reactions when you're finished! EBWOP @plotspot | ||
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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM | ||
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On May 22 2015 22:39 plotspot wrote: sh*t, I won't get this conversation unless some friendly soul explains to me what "scum qt" means in this context or in general. qt as in cutie, right? but "scum qt"? also "wonders of scum qt"? wat? QT=http://www.quicktopic.com/ A place where people can discuss freely. Like the QT you probably have with your coach. .. ... I have the strong feeling you're playing dumb. | ||
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On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, so let's look at this post. First off, I actually like you. I disagree with the pushon you. Secondly, the vote on SL was due to him first coming into the thread with "Confirmed town". Troll post=troll vote. However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. When saying Breshke and SL were partners, in part I was joking. I was trying to get some type of reaction from SL, which if I remember correctly I don't think I ever got. It was Breshke that actually started questioning this, which I really REALLY like of Breshke. As SL said, I shot him as vig in a previous game, he was mafia. I usually have a good read on Breshke, and this questioning makes me think that Breshke is town. So even if I didn't get information out of SL from this (SL prob still my top lynch, followed by newbie Boxer for that awful first couple of posts), I did get information on Breshke's alignment. OK I like your defense. Except for one point. Can you explain this ? On May 22 2015 22:22 disformation wrote: When asked about stuff that I also pointed out the reaction is total deflection and trying to laugh it of. Me no like. | ||
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On May 22 2015 22:45 Tictock wrote: Ok BF, I'm more sold that you are just new now. I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote: I have no idea who I should vote for :/ On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote: Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that. [...] On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote: "WIFOM"? [...] Reading about "trying to pocket", [...] On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote: [...] Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. That's 5 times for 13 posts. | ||
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On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis.... I agree with you entirely about BF. But I have a very hard time following you on the links between Dis and BF. The events are: 1 - BF votes BM 2 - Dis makes a case on you 3 - BF unvotes without even reading the case Now I agree that put a bad light on BF, but I don't see why that links it to Dis. Dis could be scum, or not. That is WIFOM to speculate if that is the case here. IMO. | ||
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On May 22 2015 23:13 boxerfred wrote: I even said pre-game that I am somewhat used to mafia games, just not the TL forum version, so you're not finding any secrets there. There are other things: First, you make a few posts that don't help. They are just noise. Example: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 19:10 boxerfred wrote: I meant timezone, not schedule. Day one votes suck there's like no indication about anything. Since I still have to cast my vote though I'll re-read the posts and see if I can find something indicating something. Thus far, I can't tell the difference from someone being trolling and someone casting a vote in a serious manner. On May 22 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote: Hmm.. lots of indicators, nothing too special. Then again we have Rels, discussing quite actively about who to set up for a lynch - to me, that indicates that he's townie since he's being rational and trying to argue in a very rational way. That could mean that Rels and Sulfurus are the two masons, further strengthening that BM might be scum. Assumptions, assumptions.. On May 22 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote: However, there are still the silent people in here. That's like the worst strategy ever in terms of "making gameplay exciting". The swarmhost/turtle of Mafia :D Second, this: On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote: I just read this but, as said above, gotta continue working. I'll ##unvote and read about this later. Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. You have time to defend yourself, but you don't have time to comment on the post you said you were going to comment. And finally, 27nb's post about you. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis.... | ||
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On May 23 2015 00:15 disformation wrote: @plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia? | ||
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Who would you lynch and why ? The why part being the more important. | ||
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scott plotspot BM BF SL batsnacks @scott plotspot and batsnacks: you're mostly here because you're not posting a lot / at all. Please do! You may say why ? Wonder no more! Here is my thinking: scott: see my post: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 17:10 Rels wrote: Scott31337 Two posts. One useless. The other one, that you can read on spoiler, is even worse IMO: he tries to discuss two things but is not saying anything worthwhile. Seems scum to me. +1 to SL even though it is an obivous joke. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 11:44 scott31337 wrote: Dinner was good and now time to get to work... I'm unsure what to think of BM's early vote, maybe just to get some discussion started? He unvoted though. SL loves to fakeclaim as town. +1 To add to it, the other post by scott was also pretty bad, criticizing plotspot for inactivity. plotspot: came back today but didn't say anything much. Only two posts analyzing something and one of them I didn't understand. This one: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 23:03 plotspot wrote: (p10,last post) concerning last question: I think a lot of smoke bombs have been thrown out. Mafia most likely has already poked in to test the waters. Some 5-corner logics about knowing or not knowing whether "scum quick topic" has been opened prior the 24 h of silent prelude. All of his other posts are him defending himself. BM: Moved him down 'cause other people seems to think that's his way of posting. Even though, no prob lynching him until he comes back and does something useful. BF: My two previous posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 23:00 Rels wrote: I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote: I have no idea who I should vote for :/ On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote: Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that. [...] On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote: "WIFOM"? [...] Reading about "trying to pocket", [...] On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote: [...] Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. That's 5 times for 13 posts. On May 23 2015 00:00 Rels wrote: There are other things: First, you make a few posts that don't help. They are just noise. Example: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 19:10 boxerfred wrote: I meant timezone, not schedule. Day one votes suck there's like no indication about anything. Since I still have to cast my vote though I'll re-read the posts and see if I can find something indicating something. Thus far, I can't tell the difference from someone being trolling and someone casting a vote in a serious manner. On May 22 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote: Hmm.. lots of indicators, nothing too special. Then again we have Rels, discussing quite actively about who to set up for a lynch - to me, that indicates that he's townie since he's being rational and trying to argue in a very rational way. That could mean that Rels and Sulfurus are the two masons, further strengthening that BM might be scum. Assumptions, assumptions.. On May 22 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote: However, there are still the silent people in here. That's like the worst strategy ever in terms of "making gameplay exciting". The swarmhost/turtle of Mafia :D Second, this: You have time to defend yourself, but you don't have time to comment on the post you said you were going to comment. And finally, 27nb's post about you. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis.... SL: Lots of things have been said. I cannot see him getting lynched today though. Because no one can read him. batsnacks: didn't change my mind on this one: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 17:10 Rels wrote: batsnacks Really disliked his opening post as it was obviously prepared during the break before the game. For me it looks like he was thinking "hey I don't know what to say ? lets post some bullshit haha" Another thing, I disliked the post in spoiler. He asks a (good IMO) question to tictock, so goes on to pressure SL. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 08:57 batsnacks wrote: @tictok what if you're mafia trying to pocket me with your overtly friendly wiles? I'm onto you mister you best be scared. Let's all vote SL though. I feel like town SL has close to zero chance of being lynched because he'd never let that happen. Putting pressure on SL and breshke's reads can only lead to good things. ##vote: sicklucker | ||
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On May 23 2015 00:43 plotspot wrote: "@plotspot: You stated that you think that mafia is/was already active in the thread trying to test the waters. Who would you pick out as Mafia?" To be honest I'm not quite sure. About Breshke: Initially I thought Breshke was scummy for his quick jumping on SL. But then I figured it was just his way of applying pressure on him to see his (SL's) true color. Breshke appears very townish. Breshke is like the NB VII game I played with him, very collected and professional. Though I have to point out, it didn't help us in the end since town still lost, when he couldn't figured out the real cuprits. About BM: he is always borderline provocative and scummy. But I think he is intelligent and a keen observer. These are the two that have given me some scum vibe so far. Last game (NV VIII) I was replaced due to illness. This was a game where I observed that scums are usually REACTIONARY and CAREFUL of some sorts. After having a first impression of the thread by having read it all, I will filter-read everyone now in order to find patterns of reactionary and careful behaviour. Yeah expect something in less than to 6 hours, I'm actually still at work and totally underestmiated to time it took for all this again. I'm lucky that my work load is rather flexible, but still, it's already out of plan here. OK TY for the explanation of this weird post. Looking forward for your reads! | ||
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On May 22 2015 17:07 Barakos wrote: @batsnacks: You said you were able to read stuff into the way people interpret your iching-writing. What do you make of disformations interpretation? And what do you get out of Tictocks response to your writing? On May 22 2015 18:03 Rels wrote: Alright thanks (= Now since you're there: What do you think of disformation ? What do you think of Breshk's pressure ? On May 22 2015 18:32 Rels wrote: Second, about BM, see the quotes below (in spoiler so this post is not too long): + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 09:04 batsnacks wrote: (About BM) You're probably going to hit a wall here because he is almost certainly as serious as he claims. He has fired his shot the ball is in our court now. So @SL @Batsnacks and @Anyone that has every played with BM: Is there something I don't know ? Cause for me he is the most obvious scum of the thread, but is it normal for him even for town ? | ||
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On May 23 2015 01:54 batsnacks wrote: Wow lots of Europeans in this game. I skimmed the last 5ish pages. I have items of interest: Rels you should narrow down your "would lynch" list to at most 2 people, preferably one. Having too many "would lynches" can lead to you being able to pick any optimal target you want as mafia. That said its I don't think you're mafia and it's great that you have found so many different things to be suspicious of. But yeah, moving forward its best to narrow that list down by a lot. TY for the advice. (= So apparently in a few hours quite a things happened. First, scott and spot did a similar things. They posted a few posts in the thread, then people asked them questions, and they didn't answer. Questions to scott were: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2015 01:16 disformation wrote: @scott; So BM is your top scum read? I like your explanation for that. Do you have a solid #2 atm and why? Noticed any noteworthy things? What do you think of the interactions with bunnies and BF? On May 23 2015 01:25 Tictock wrote: @ Scott What is your opinion of SL? You also made a comment on plots opening post, he's been more active today. What do you think about it? Question for spot was: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2015 01:30 Tictock wrote: @ Plots We need more of this from you. As for questions. I'd really like to know who is scum in your mind. In the post I just quoted you both tell us that Bre and BM look scummy but give them town cred at the same time. So who do you think we should lynch today? One difference: spot promised a big post that was due around midnight, so I'm looking forward to it. (= Moving on, about SL. Nothing to say. Came here, posted a few things, didn't answer any questions, left. Dis even posted some questions for him, that he still didn't answer, in this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2015 07:31 disformation wrote: Okay, thanks for answering that question. Though why does SL saying that BM is lynch bait hold that much importance for you? Where did you get the miss from? Calling a BM a misslynch sounds a bit like TooMuchInformation to me. What do you think about bunnies and boxerfred? Why do you think so? Who would you vote for now? Why? Finally, about batsnacks. I liked most of what he said. I didn't like his super town feeling on BF and I hated this post: On May 23 2015 02:16 batsnacks wrote: @disinfo No. I don't do the quote/comment on quote thing. What I said about boxerrfred is going to be a take it, leave it, or tell me why it's wrong sort of things. So I still don't know about him. @batsnacks : can you read this things on BF and defend him ? On May 22 2015 23:00 Rels wrote: I have the opposite view actually. Before you started pressuring him, I was sure he was a newbie. Now that you made him post more I'm not so sure ... I will quote everytime he said he was newb or something like that in his filter. Everything in the spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 19:17 boxerfred wrote: I have no idea who I should vote for :/ On May 22 2015 19:32 boxerfred wrote: Barakos going the coach way :D I was just starting to ask my coach about that. [...] On May 22 2015 22:23 boxerfred wrote: "WIFOM"? [...] Reading about "trying to pocket", [...] On May 22 2015 22:27 boxerfred wrote: [...] Thus far, I'm not understanding every point of your argumentation and I surely will require some time to iterate over the given posts and see them in context. That's 5 times for 13 posts. On May 23 2015 00:00 Rels wrote: There are other things: First, you make a few posts that don't help. They are just noise. Example: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 19:10 boxerfred wrote: I meant timezone, not schedule. Day one votes suck there's like no indication about anything. Since I still have to cast my vote though I'll re-read the posts and see if I can find something indicating something. Thus far, I can't tell the difference from someone being trolling and someone casting a vote in a serious manner. On May 22 2015 19:38 boxerfred wrote: Hmm.. lots of indicators, nothing too special. Then again we have Rels, discussing quite actively about who to set up for a lynch - to me, that indicates that he's townie since he's being rational and trying to argue in a very rational way. That could mean that Rels and Sulfurus are the two masons, further strengthening that BM might be scum. Assumptions, assumptions.. On May 22 2015 19:44 boxerfred wrote: However, there are still the silent people in here. That's like the worst strategy ever in terms of "making gameplay exciting". The swarmhost/turtle of Mafia :D Second, this: You have time to defend yourself, but you don't have time to comment on the post you said you were going to comment. And finally, 27nb's post about you. + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 23:04 27ninjabunnies wrote: So for me, it was weird how he entered into the thread. I don't like to use entrances as alignment indicative but I just don't understand why he would enter with this post here: It's as if he is trying to enter the thread in a funny way, but falled short. Again, random funny-ish second post. IT was mostly just these two posts that stood out to me as I was reading. As you further progress in his filter, he actually starts making reads, questioning, but Im not sure what to make of it. He pushes a bit on BM, but then unvotes after a case made by Dis on me. I'm not sure how this one case changes his read from BM is mafia to I am mafia over BM. HE doesn't really explain it. Just unvotes, and then says he'll read the case on me later. This makes me think there is a HIGH connection between Dis and BF, which makes me want to lynch them both. And makes me think I might be wrong on Dis.... | ||
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On May 23 2015 08:09 disformation wrote: Which raises two questions: 1) Why is SL's statement that SL is lynch bait this important to him? 2) Where does he get the misslynch from? TMI? Also no information of who he would vote now or how his reads changed over the day. In hindsight his behaviour so far also looks like "okay lets do 1-2 town posts and then gtfo out of the fray." Still I remember clearly being sure as hell that Sulfu was town. I'll have to take the time to reread the game to conclude. @Sulfu could you please explain yourself | ||
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On May 23 2015 08:23 27ninjabunnies wrote: Why the distance from BF now, it seems? Like, when I ping you out for a connection you seem now to be so upset. The Ugh. Reread.... Basically when he is being pinged out for being scum. This is all just scummy from you Main dish huh? I've been told I'm pretty delectable As for the SL read, give me a few hours. Just got off of work, and been working for 8 of those hours between then, I forgot what I was even going to say on SL. Rereading a bit On May 23 2015 08:25 27ninjabunnies wrote: Oh, and I think the above post is a great basis for ##Vote:Disformation I don't understand. Dys just made a good case on Sulfu, and remind you on something you said. If I follow you are voting him because he reread BF filter and found him more guilty than he previously thought. Right ? | ||
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On May 23 2015 09:09 disformation wrote: Hmm... you are right. I should demote you from main dish status and give that to BF. Think I got to excited about the possible TMI Slip by Sulfurus and the possibility of getting two mafia out of it, if there was a connection to you. Oh, well this bodes well for tomorrow. At least you people will have something to talk about. xD You mention a TMI slip by Sulfu. On May 23 2015 09:22 disformation wrote: Possible TMI slip. Basically calls BM a misslynch out of the blue. I want to know his reaction/what he has to say about that. You did read my case, right? That is a possible TMI slip by SL. I'm sure I'm just too tired to see where I'm wrong. I'll read that carefully tomorrow. | ||
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First scott still haven't showed up and answered the questions ... questions he asked for in his last post may I remind you. So I'm happy to see him lynch atm. Second I don't like this wagon on disformation at all. The only one with arguments is Barakos so I'm not suspicious of him, but the other two I am (27nb and plotspot). I don't like plotspot voting on an analysis made on the first hours of the game. Talking about plotspot. Woaw that's a lot of work. But I agree with ticktock's thoughts on him in his list post. Don't have a lot of time so you will have to find it yourself. To summarize what I liked about his argument: What plotspot did takes a lot of work. But he doesn't push any agenda and it's pretty non alignment indicative. If all a mafia has to do to look town is to make pretty graphics that takes 6 hours to make, we wouldn't catch any. So I agree to not lynch him today but he's not town forever for me. Last about SL. Again (= I don't like that he says "plotspot is town forever maybe" and then he says "what you did doesn't bring a lot to the table". I don't like how he responded to batsnacks' pressure. Sorry about the lack of quotes I have to go. My list lynch is: Scott BM SL See you tonight, hopefully before EOD! Have a good day (= | ||
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I think vig should not claim before shooting. On May 24 2015 07:25 sicklucker wrote: you can. mafia wont shoot you because theirs other roles and we have a confirmed town to lead us its really fine. I would agree if we were sur to have a doc. But we don't know that it is not an open setup. On May 24 2015 07:34 sicklucker wrote: If mafia kills the vig tonight thats good.. he still gets off his shot and are that would mean are other role/roles are safe... No it's not good. Vig should claim day 2 if he shooted: - if he is not counter claimed, we have a confirmed blue - if he is counter claimed, we have another scum lynch in day 3 in the worst scenario. | ||
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On May 24 2015 08:03 disformation wrote: Well. 1/3 mafia down. Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ? | ||
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On May 24 2015 07:57 Rels wrote: Yeah for scum lynched (= happy about that. I think vig should not claim before shooting. I would agree if we were sur to have a doc. But we don't know that it is not an open setup. No it's not good. Vig should claim day 2 if he shooted: - if he is not counter claimed, we have a confirmed blue - if he is counter claimed, we have another scum lynch in day 3 in the worst scenario. Thinking about it more I was wrong and SL was right. If there is not vig, then mafia can claim vig on their NK and nobody can counter claim. So if there is a vig, he needs to claim before the night is done. I think the best play is claiming just before EON. | ||
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On May 24 2015 08:16 disformation wrote: Hmmm. I am just assuming that since 3 mafia is the norm for 13 player games here. At least that was the case in all the games I have played in / read. Quickly read over the op, but wasn't able to find any information there. It just says "This game uses a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present." Alright I suppose it's 3 too. | ||
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On May 23 2015 22:40 plotspot wrote: Well, I'm at p15 now, hope to at least catch up to the post I made yesterday with my "analysis". I do realize that it might prove not to be helpful at the end (what if there are no particular patterns?). But I just thought I can be a complimentary part to town by looking at it in a more statistical, factual way. It's there. With enough effort, everyone can do it. We already have a lot of people here standing guard, being pro-active, keeping mafia on their toes with their thread presence. My statistics might prove helpful if you can use it to support your claims. I think it is a great mindset and if you manage to keep it up to date, it will be super useful! Right now it is almost useless, and if you were to stop here it would be a lot of work for no valuable informations. Which is what a scum would do: doing a ton of work that doesn't help town. So I hope you continue as if you even manage to finish day1, we would have a lot of informations combining your graphics with the flips. | ||
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First please read Breshke post here or in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On May 24 2015 14:07 Breshke wrote: Has a shitty push on disinfo doesn't explain anything or put any effort into getting him lynched just faking suspicion to seem town. Backs of his shitty read again with no reasoning when wagon seems to be going against his partner. Starts bussing to get towncred. Tries to push rels AGAIN with no reasoning. Does not put any effort into getting rels lynched instead of scott even though scott is just a policy lynch for him and rels he genuinely thinks is scum. SL is not trying to work out the game he mainly just posts to post. Probably started bussing his partner then tried to see if he could start a different wagon. When noone started biting he just drops it. We are lynching SL tomorrow. If that doesn't convince you I will take what I said about him here and add to it. First reason In a few of his posts he either says he's town or gives argument to why someone should read him town. Apparently SL is a good player, so that could be straight up subtile manipulation. It is the tactics from commercials; one can only see something so many times before one starts thinking it's true, not knowing where the thought came by. I'm talking about these posts: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2015 07:22 sicklucker wrote: disinfo you gonna correctly read me town again? On May 22 2015 09:21 sicklucker wrote: well you should because thats how you read me town On May 22 2015 09:49 sicklucker wrote: town points for not realizing their was a scum qt up for 24 hours like any town should On May 22 2015 11:22 sicklucker wrote: oh I totally took that post out of context hes asking me a qeustion pretty poor writinng . Oh well easy to read me town off that On May 22 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote: im so town it hurts On May 24 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote: Confirmed not veg dont shoot me mafia. Out for the night in a few On May 24 2015 15:42 sicklucker wrote: infact I was the hammer of the mafia and batsnackss followed me. I the town hero come at me Second reason On May 22 2015 08:33 Tictock wrote: @Breshke Humm you have a point. He did post an handful of stuff pretty fast and then bounce. Seems to be have just made a weak townread and then the weak towny post about not confusing us newbies. Last game when he was town he never gave a shit about confusing us newbies. Now he's making this post defending newbies and town reading Dis, one of the newbies who was also in the last game with us. This does seem like he's scum motivated. Straigth up this. I read student IX game, and SL was town and didn't give a shit about newbies. Third reason He says that BM is a lynch bait, but says this: On May 22 2015 13:27 sicklucker wrote: bill murray is lynch bait. definition - a guy who always looks scummy and gets lynched not saying dont lynch him but keep that in mind That could be read as "lynch him if you want, when he flips green i'm going to be right". Seems to me like he almost want BM to be lynched without him on the train. Forth reason Until late in the last day he didn't vote scott and tried to push other people with no arguments. Really no arguments, just "I'm suspicious of XXX". Even after he voted scott, he still tried to push subtily other people without voting for them. I will list the posts where he does that. I will not post what he said on batsnacks because he actually made a case on him for once. + Show Spoiler + On May 23 2015 11:50 sicklucker wrote: i think disinfo could be scum On May 23 2015 13:14 sicklucker wrote: one of bunnies or disinfo are scum probably disinfo On May 23 2015 13:16 sicklucker wrote: bats disinfo or bunnies + one of bm or the new guys I havent bother to read at all outside of sulp Can we just vote bats your townread on him makes no sense breske On May 24 2015 05:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok i just read rels filter. I think he flips scum a bit more then scott I wouldnt mind lynching him. Hard to explian call it a feelin Fifth reason Lying. On May 24 2015 15:36 sicklucker wrote: rels was my lynch bro No I wasn't. Batsnacks then scott was your lynch. Aaaaaand that's it. sicklucker don't add anything useful, except one post: the one on batsnacks which amazingly I liked. Plus, apparently he plays like that every game, so no one can read him for sure. He really put chaos in the thread with how he posted: for example his defense post just above mine is only a gif. What do you do with people hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos ? That's right. You vigi'd them. Even if he turns out to be town, that will be less confusion on the thread. So vig, if you even exist in this setup and have not made your mind about shooting, shoot SL. | ||
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Sixth reason On May 24 2015 15:43 sicklucker wrote: im vulnerable tictock have any questions for me? Then TT post some questions, and SL doesn't answer. On May 24 2015 15:45 Tictock wrote: Already asked dude, though I'd also like to know your thoughts on 27nb and BM. Off to play games, bbl. Seventh reason On May 24 2015 15:34 sicklucker wrote: yes its going to always be 3 mafia in 13 player format but if theirs a sk then 2? im not getting many mafia reads so thats possible. On May 24 2015 15:47 Breshke wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/473002-metal-mini-mafia You were in this game SL and i kno you remember it because its one of the ones you love to mention so much because its the first one i got vig shot in. It had 3 mafia and an SK in a 13 player setup. | ||
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I was the first to vote for him. I'm not advocating a lynch because you didn't vote mafia. I am for 7 reasons listed above. | ||
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You saw how he acted on day 1 and the final conclusion is the same as SL: hard to read, scummy, and that does things that cause chaos. Additionnaly I hated this recent post: On May 24 2015 14:01 Bill Murray wrote: i dont mind being shot i admit ive been a bit inactive moving into the new house ... i was posting more from the hospital lol I read student IX game and a player called Stutters was mafia. A lot of people pushed for him to get vigi'd night two. His last post was: On May 09 2015 01:29 Stutters695 wrote: Nah, exam week. 2 games going on. I just haven't had the time to play how I really want to. Apologies for that, I miscalculated the time investment to really read two games. If you guys want to vig me, I completely understand, no hard feelings. I'm running some errands before I have to work. Now that my exams are done I'll have significantly more time but my weekend is pretty booked with mother's day/going to a theme park Saturday (20 dollar tickets ftw). If you want I can explain whatever questions you have, but I know it looks real bad and it won't get better until Sunday evening. I'll get some reads out by EoN so you guys have something to go off of when I'm gone. We see the same tone of apologizing. The vig still shot him and he flipped mafia. Anyway I'm not sure at all he's mafia, I'm more for a vig shot because he causes chaos and is useless. I saw that he started posted more things, so if he post some good posts don't shoot him. | ||
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On May 24 2015 18:08 sicklucker wrote: this is what a hammer vote looks like newbs. write it in your notepad I also pressured/encouraged bats into following me You're right about that. Lucky it isn't a counter argument to any of the reasons I posted. | ||
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Anyway I see what you are doing. You are attacking me to discredit my post, instead of attacking with my post. So: - my thoughts have no correlation my alignment - you can credit you are the hammer all you want, the same argument about bussing can be said about your vote. - before and after you voted Scott, you continue pushing other people: bs, dis, me And last, none of my points revolved around my voting or your voting, so I don't care about what you are saying. Please answer the reasons, don't attack me. | ||
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First On May 22 2015 11:20 sicklucker wrote: Sulfurus I got a n0 red check no you what say you? Then On May 22 2015 11:39 Sulfurus wrote: @sicklucker I think you are executing this rxn test very poorly since you just congratulated me on having "the best post in the thread" which you probably wouldn't do to some1 you have a red on. And finally much later: On May 24 2015 05:22 cakepie wrote: ～ FAQ ～ Q: Do any of the roles get to use their powers before day 1? A: This game started in Silent Pregame, not Night 0. Therefore, night actions are not possible before Day 1. And we know from the op: On May 12 2015 22:46 cakepie wrote: Questions: Once the game is underway, all questions to the hosts must be sent as PMs, do not ask in the thread. You are not allowed to say in thread you’re going to ask the hosts something, and you are not allowed to share your answer with the thread. If the question is a clarification all town needs to know, the hosts will post an announcement in the thread. So someone pm d this question to the mod. I'm feeling it must have been sulfu reacting to SL s pressure. If sulfu was scum, he would probably post this question on scum qt. Voila not a great argument but a funny one! | ||
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Woud lynch: SL BM plotspot (at least until he posts some real reads) Suspicious of: 27nb Batsnacks BF Dont know: Sulfu Town: Breshke Dis TT Barakos | ||
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I was happy to see dis continue to pressure you to see how you would respond. And woah. I loved the post you just did. I disagree strongly on dis being scummy, why not a SK, we all see where there are no mafia left but no win. | ||
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On June 03 2015 15:56 Tictock wrote: Wait did SL really send you PM's BF? That is such an asshole move SL, I didnt think you'd stoop that low... That really pisses me off More than that, that's clearly against the rules. But let's not talk about it until cakepie checks on it. GG town! Loooved playing with you all even if it was for a pretty short time haha, looking forward next newbie game. (= | ||
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On June 03 2015 16:37 sicklucker wrote: i mean its a bit meh and i regret it. But its in a sitation where he cced me AND the games mathematically over. I get that hes newer and may have thought he had a chance but like everyone in the game is confirmed town like comeon I feel like it was worse then a slow role When I play werewolf IRL, it's considered BM to push someone to concede. I think it's way cooler to watch the almost confirmed mafia struggle ... and when he wins 1% of the time, the entire group lose its shit and calls him gosu. So I think all your "don't concede=idiot" were BM. And of course PM was rule breaking. A shame 'cause you're super funny and your posts made me laugh all game long )= | ||
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On June 03 2015 22:59 boxerfred wrote: So here's the masterplan: I was voting bunnies so fucking often. D2, D3, and it was really risky. Day 2, my vote would've been the decider to get her lynched. Day 3 - I couldn't know that bats would jump on Sulf and Dis would coinflip on Sulf, too. So we figured out that we needed the last scum member to have huge town cred. I wanted to vote on Sicklucker at the end of D4, he'd be lynched, flip town, boom boxerfred goes down, boom bunnies is so fucking confirmed that she can easily get the lynch on Dis, especially with plots playing strange and tictocks going all tinfoil-hatty. Of course there'd always be the possibility of me getting out of the lynch, I think at this point pushing Barakos wouldn't have been too hard, given that bunnies would not have been dead. However, I misunderstood the lynching rule. I thought that whoever gets voted on most recently, dies. That made the whole plan blow up. That error, in conjunction with SL's behaviour, really made me feel dumb. So I decided to grab a straw: plots' "yolo block". When I found out that this would not work, it was easy for me to claim that I was blocked, CC'ing SL. By now I think it would've been even better to have claimed that I was not blocked: I would only say that SL lied, even without CC'ing him, thus making Dis still a probable scum member. If the lynch on SL would've gotten through, the game was still winnable. Even in the situation of CC'ing SL, I had a thing prepared: when he'd be lynched and flip town, I'd just say that he lied about having been blocked for the sake of confirming me scum. I think with tictocks alive as the decider between disinfo and me, this might have actually worked out. However I'm not wasting another 48hrs + 24hrs + 24/48hrs on someone who's continuesly dragging the game in the mud. I'm here for the funsies, not for the frustrations. Therefore I conceded even before EoD. I think the chances of actually winning this game for scum were somewhere around 20-40%, depending on Dis' behaviour D4. GG, thanks for the fun and the effort to all Wow nice plans, would have looved to see that in action. (= Especially the first one with you getting bussed by bunnies. For the second one though, I think you are overestimating your chances, no way you have even 1 chance out of 5 that TT doesn't vote you after you CC and lynch SL. plot even made a super nice graph sealing your doom IMO. Anyway you played really good (= looking forward for next game! | ||
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Thanks also for your kind words and yes I see what you mean about analyzing kills now.Last thing I wanted to tell before but forgot: the musics were awesome! | ||
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