EPTi am willing to speculate with you about fake-claims and stuff, because that is the reality the game takes place in, but to speculate, what would be without all the claims is just shutting your eyes and ignoring the major things that happend in the past 30 hours.
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
i am willing to speculate with you about fake-claims and stuff, because that is the reality the game takes place in, but to speculate, what would be without all the claims is just shutting your eyes and ignoring the major things that happend in the past 30 hours. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Just Think outside them as well. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
And I am sheeping our claimed cop and not the confirmed mason, because the confirmed mason wasn't making sense with his vote. :p | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 29 2015 06:28 batsnacks wrote: I would tell you this as either alignment: 4 blues in this setup is unusual. Meaning it wouldn't be terrible for you to be at least slightly suspicious of my claim. I think tiktok is objectively the most likely to be telling the truth. If you don't understand why you can ask. We should definitely -not- avoid talking about it. Mafia is never going to cc anything for the rest of the game it would be suicide at this point. If you don't understand why you can ask. Here is every possibility:
Assume anyone lying is mafia. Nothing else is possible. Least I know Bats encourages thought. | ||
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 29 2015 20:47 Tictock wrote: I'm not really trying to say "ignore roles". Just Think outside them as well. That is a very good idea. Basically saying: "Let us look at ALL people and lynch the scummiest." Might also lead us to the discovery if and who might be fakeclaiming here. Was trying that for a bit yesterday, but wasn't able to go through all people with that because I started to get pretty tired/fatigued. Sulfurus has the huge problem, that after D1 he really started to fall off and there is not much to go on. Which is in my mind a scum strategy... the best post from him D2 was his poe list which had a ton of people (keeping options open) and by now a lot of that list turned out to be town. So I can easily see why a lot of people think he is scum. On May 29 2015 20:56 batsnacks wrote: I'm gonna vote bunnies in breshke's honor if she afks again. I think the green check adds to her town equity but she said to hold her accountable for what she says she'll do so I'm going to do that. I really hope she does something amazing this time. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 29 2015 20:14 Barakos wrote: Why are you working so hard on not lynching sulfurus? Lynching plots would mean, lynching an confirmed rb on the off chance, there are 2 scum-rbs vs a single town-cop... sounds not convincing. Lynching bunnies means lynching into a green-check on the 1/6-chance that there is a godfather between all the claimed vt and bunnies is the gf Lynching sulfurus is a 2/4 scum, if you believe both greenchecks, 1/4 if you believe one of bunnies/me is the gf. He's pretty convinced that 2 RB on scum side is a unbelievable setup. He's also just willing to just sheep bats without telling us why he doesn't focus on his real scum reads. This is interesting to me since the RB claim he made is his biggest reason for being Townread atm. Thus plots being Town RB is his only major lag to stand on for town cred here. Also reminds me of this point which I didn't believe before, but now I'm reconsidering. On May 29 2015 11:38 Tictock wrote: @ Plots First the bolded question is one that I already posed to you, and is still one that you as Town RB need to answer in depth. Why did you think Bara was scum and block him? You've posted town or null reads on him before and after N2, so what did he do to make you think you had better block him? You also seem to suggest that Bara is potentially the GF here. Is that what you were thinking? You didn't like the green check on Bara so you figuered he was the Mafia GF and blocked him? Someone tell me if I'm getting too WIFOM here. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Is Cop + Masons vs RB, Goon, GF that wierd? | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Nobody claimed RB until N2. This was well after I started an unhealthy discussion regarding setup speculation. | ||
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Barakos
Germany358 Posts
So how likely is this. The setup you suggest is GF, Mafia-RB, Goon vs no known townroles. (Because obviously I am GF, because batsnacks...) Mafia RB is dead. This would mean plots claims into a completely unknown setup (and given the scum-setup you suggest, scum would assume there are a lot of town-roles) with the risk of being counterclaimed by the actual town-rb in a situation where it is completely unnecessary, because neither him nor I were under any real suspicion going into D2. How likely do you think that is? To me it seems you are so fixated on plots being scum that you just don't see the most-probable option, which is, that his claim is true. It's almost like a few hours ago, when plots was all "boxer is gonna counterclaim tictock and then we all lynch tictock". | ||
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plotspot
800 Posts
On May 29 2015 11:38 Tictock wrote: @ Plots First the bolded question is one that I already posed to you, and is still one that you as Town RB need to answer in depth. Why did you think Bara was scum and block him? You've posted town or null reads on him before and after N2, so what did he do to make you think you had better block him? You also seem to suggest that Bara is potentially the GF here. Is that what you were thinking? You didn't like the green check on Bara so you figuered he was the Mafia GF and blocked him? No Tictock. You keep saying I’m the Mafia RB as a reason why you vote me. Then explain to me this? Why do I as Mafia RB block Barakos and not Breshke on N2, when I did block Rels on N1? Why do I as Mafia RB reveal to town that there is an RB, when Mafia is benefits more from keeping stuff like this hidden? Why do I as Mafia RB point out to you that the only way it is possible for me to be Mafia RB is if it leads town directly to my scumpartner, when I’m playing to win and not to lose? If you cannot answer these questions convincingly don’t even mention me as a possible Mafia RB to scumread me. You’re like “I make a weak sauce case on this guy why I think he is a Mafia RB that doesn’t hold for 30 seconds, but it’s ok I just risk that town loses an important power role”, which is a ridiculus way of thinking for a townie. Or do you want to doubt my RB status as boxerfred did? If after considering all things you acknowledge that I cannot be the Mafia RB in this constellation and post it here, I will surely provide to you with a satisfactory reason, why I changed my mind on Barakos for when I checked him. It’s sitting right next here to me. Do we have a deal? --- This questions of yours makes no sense "You didn't like the green check on Bara so you figuered he was the Mafia GF and blocked him?" in terms of chronological game order. Barakos was copchecked on N1. On N2 batsnacks ninja-posted anout this at very last minute in fear he would die. There is no way for me to somehow know about this beforehand in order not to like and use ot as a reasoon to RB Barakos. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 29 2015 22:06 Barakos wrote: That would mean plots fakeclaimed having been rb'ed during N1. Incorrect! On May 27 2015 07:34 plotspot wrote: Okay, maybe it’s time we talk about this now. I have received a visit from the RB on N1. I have no idea who did this but, it must be someone who thought I might be scum and checked on it with his night action on N1. Who the hell might do that? Was posted N2. Here is the Link The rest of your post was based on this assertion so I disregard. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
You've still never told us why you, as Town RB role blocked Bara N2 | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 29 2015 22:06 Barakos wrote: That would mean plots fakeclaimed having been rb'ed during N1. He claimed having been rb'ed during N1 in N2. So he could have waited N1 and D2 to see if someone was claiming to be rb'ed. As a town that was being rb'ed would have been likely to claim. And yes that would 100% lead to you being his GF friend. But looking through your filter I haven't been able to find substantial evidence for that and I am not sure if I want to go at a greencheck and unclaimed blue for such a tinfoil theory. That being said. I still think we should check that theory out and not dismiss it right of the bat. | ||
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
On May 29 2015 22:12 Tictock wrote: Incorrect! Was posted N2. Here is the Link The rest of your post was based on this assertion so I disregard. Sorry this was a terrible post. I checked in during a dull moment in an otherwise great TvZ and misread the quote from Bara. So EBWOP? Correct! QUOTE! This also leads me to believe that you Bara are joining in with the fake claims to mislead town into thinking there is a 2nd Roleblocker this game. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
On May 29 2015 22:24 Tictock wrote: This also leads me to believe that you Bara are joining in with the fake claims to mislead town into thinking there is a 2nd Roleblocker this game. Possible. But we have to find good evidence that point to:
I skimmed Baras filter and he seemed to interact with a bunch of people. But I didn't see him putting out a lot of acutal reads and the interaction with plotspot until D3 was very minimal. | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
I will read his and plotspots filter very carefully, to see if I can find something there. Otherwise I think we have to lynch one of Sulfuras/27ninjabunnies and maybe boxerfred.  | ||
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
I will read his and plotspots filter very carefully, when I am back at home. (in ~2h) | ||
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