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plotspot's tables remind me of how I approached d1 in my first game (nsm IX). I wanted to make a list of all interactions and notable posts and stuff. dropped that after half of D1 because I felt it was too much work and I couldn't keep up with how fast the thread was moving.
I can see why he thinks my early interactions make me look scum. But:
On May 23 2015 11:20 plotspot wrote:
3. disformation (DI): My scumread so far. He's fairly active in the first 3 hours, posting really in between the conversation of others with fine, careful, uncommiting. While others seem fairly focused on their conversation, he's kinda lurking and picking cherries. You have to go back, read and see what I mean. I'd vote for him.
Might look this way in the first 3 hours, when not much was going on. I don't think I look careful at all for the rest of the game. :D
Not thrilled about making a vote based on the first three hours of the game. But I have no desire to lynch plotspot at all. 
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On May 23 2015 16:52 boxerfred wrote:
I noticed that Rels and disinformation who are actively putting pressure als well as removing pressure from people never put pressure on each other. That might point to a connection between them which can be good or bad.
Oh nice. Thanks for catching that.
I might be sleeping a bit on him, because he seems obv town to me.
Will keep that in mind for the next days. I simply think we have more suspicious people around for today. 
On May 23 2015 17:14 boxerfred wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 04:58 disformation wrote:On May 23 2015 04:43 boxerfred wrote:On May 23 2015 03:49 disformation wrote:Also. Since you like my case but see a lot of town in bunnies, where do you place bunnies now? Who would you lynch as of now and why? I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information, can't really tell if that's for scum or for town. Tending towards town somehow though. I want to see a bit more fire! Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information... unless said information turns out to be confusing or distracting for town. Do you get that feeling from bunnies? Also nothing on the second part of the question... still no idea who to vote for I guess? Keeping options as open as possible makes you look a bit scummy here. Though granted, I don't look much better right now. xD (for the record: I have a question for bunnies and another one for Sulfurus. Also still haven't seen much from plotspot and scott. Also suspicious of BM. Wouldn't lynch bunnies atm, the others could be candidates for that.) Following your words, you're trying to subtly persuade me that bunnies is not scum: "I place bunnies at someone who's really trying to gather information" vs. "Scum generally doesn't want the town to collect new information". Which would be strange since you made a case about him that made me put myself into the fire by initially unvoting BM and following your case.So either you're just testing the waters, thus confusing many people (pointing out you lean towards scum/sk) or you're dead serious and have a flaw in that post regarding my person. So, no, I don't get that feeling from bunnies.
I was pressing you because I wasn't sure if your conclusion on bunnies was scum or town. I placed bunnies slightly on the towny side in that post since that was the feeling I got from your post, which I wanted to clarify.
Which you did with your last sentence. Thank you.
On May 23 2015 17:19 boxerfred wrote:
Whoa, almost edited the above post: wanted to add that while I think disinformation is definitely "overcaring" for others, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's scum. I'm still tending to lynch one of the inactive guys.
Not sure what you mean with overcaring for others? Can you explain? What would make that scummy?
Starting to warm up a bit on boxerfred. But will reread a bit of stuff, before coming to a conclusion.
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On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote:
morning everyone!
just woke up and reread.
Gotta say, I still dislike disformation. I'll give him credit for his case and interactoins on/with bunnies, which made some sense but got answered pretty well by bunnies, that's some actual townwork he did there.
But after this his filter more or less reads like "hey x/y/z - who do you think is mafia?"... it goes on for about a page in his filter... in every post there is the question "who will you vote for / does that make him mafia / who is your second vote, if not x?"
Which is again just seeming active without real contribution. Like mafia looking for options to construct a misslynch.
Okay, I can see where this is coming from. I was super spamy yesterday after all. But here is the thing: How do solve this game? You try to guess who is mafia. How can you improve your guesses? By making them educated guesses via the collection of information. How do you collect information? You ask people. Not every question is great, not every answer leads to a great conclusion or a great educated guess. What happens when nobody asks questions? Mafia wins. Do you want mafia to win? (This is a rhetorical question)
The thread was slow yesterday but I wanted to get as much information as possible because I don't have much time today. And I got quite a bit of interesting interactions of of it, so I am glad I did so. Maybe went a bit overboard with the spam though.
On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote:
Following this up, he builds a new case against sulfurus based on a (in my opinion) constructed tmi-slip, which i just can't see.
Also note: The post he used to construct this slip is about a day old. And just now, when there is need for a new case, because he has retracted from his case on bunnies, he sees this slip and uses it to construct a case vs one of the most inactive players in the thread. This just seems off.
No.
Sulfurus post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=22#424
Me first picking up the possible slip: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=22#425
Look at the post ID. It is the very next post in the thread. 12 minutes later. I make the case 38 minutes later after Sulfurus fails to post an answer. Still super confused why nobody is pressuring Sulfurus. His respond to my question (glad I asked, huh) was the only thing from him after a 18hour period of silence. Super weary that he hasn't done anything else since that answer...
On May 23 2015 18:44 Barakos wrote:
As an example of what you could expect: Compare TicTocks reaction to disformations reaction. TicTocks mindset / interpretation of your iching is all about solving the game, while disformations is about what it means to be town.
Out of this, you can see, what this two had in minde while reading your text... Tictock was all about solving the game (which is town, since mafia doesn't need to solve anything, they now it all.). Disformation was all about how to be town, which is mafias main-concern all game long.
This is also why I got an early townread on tictock... mostly based on this one reaction to your post.
I think you should head the advise I posted in my reaction to the iching thing:
On May 22 2015 08:07 disformation wrote:
And the other part says that he should look at all the people and be open to reconsider his reads, otherwise he might tunnel super hard.
Because you seem to be pretty set on seeing me lynched.
The thing on batsnacks for not using his iching more is also a bit far fetched / reaching to me. But I am willing to look more into SL vs batsnacks interactions.
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Okay. As per pre game excuse I will leave in about a hour and be back 1-2 hours after EoD.
While I still think we need more pressure on Sulfurus, because he hasn't done anything after his intial posts. Only came back to admit to a mistake I found in one of his early posts and left right after. Hasn't responded at all to the further inquiries and the case I put on him. All in all this makes me highly suspicious.
But I have to leave soon and I can't see this wagon getting anywhere, especially with me gone, since I seem to be the only one willing to put pressure on him.
My other main suspects were a) boxerfred, to whom I have warmed up on...(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=28#543).
Was going to say the same about b) bunnies, but I dislike that she didn't explain why she is still voting me and didn't touch my recent posts at all... at least her motivations seemed to be towny when I interacted with her.
c) BM should also have more pressure on him for falling of incredibly hard...
d) That basically leaves me with scott who hasn't done jack all game...
But since I won't be around and I don't want to waste my vote I will have to vote on a wagon that looks like it will hit something. So I have to choose between disformation and scott. I know the alignment of one of those.
I really! hope this won't be a repeat of last game though...
NSM IX: we basically on had one super wagon on scott D1. He disappears. Comes into the thread like 1hour before deadline, posts a super towny post along with a OMGUS on me. Gets lynched anyway, flips town. Sad times.
Super sry for not being around for EoD, had hoped this would start one day later. 
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EBWOP:
nearly forgot...
##unvote
##vote scott31337
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Okay, I have returned! And waaaaat?!
On one hand I am happy that one of my suspects got lynched and thrilled to see that he was scum indeed. But then I see that he didn't post anything and even didn't show up to hand out a vote, so I am a bit bummed out. Like WTH, scott. =/
Well. 1/3 mafia down. And I was getting super worried about town's chances, after seeing the super low activity today evening. So I'll gladly take that.
Bit tired atm so, I am not sure if I will read the EoD stuff from earlier before going to bed. Just skimmed it so far.
Maybe a breather would be nice, since I feel I am focusing too much on certain persons.
@cakepie
Really loving the fluff. <3
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On May 24 2015 08:11 Rels wrote:Do we have confirmation it is 3 mafia ? I mean, that's what I assume too, but is it written anywhere ?
Hmmm. I am just assuming that since 3 mafia is the norm for 13 player games here. At least that was the case in all the games I have played in / read. Quickly read over the op, but wasn't able to find any information there. It just says "This game uses a semi-open setup for 13 players; that is, all the possible roles are given but the number of each is not known. Not all of the roles will necessarily be present."
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Decided to take a breather and will go to bed very soon.
Looking forward to be doing stuff again tomorrow, after whenever I get out of bed.
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Good morning everyone.
First post coming up.
Bill Murray: Still a bit vexed that he didn't show up to change his throw-away vote, but I am really digging what he has done N1 so far.
I said I wanted to refocus and stuff. But I still feel compelled to comment on Sulfurus and 27ninjabunnies, again. xD
+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2015 08:13 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 08:04 27ninjabunnies wrote:
@dis- what was your question for me, I can't seem to find it.
Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 01:13 disformation wrote:@bunnies: On May 22 2015 22:41 27ninjabunnies wrote:
However, I haven't moved my vote on SL because SL hasn't done anything to prove to me he is town. I'll go over this a bit later. Just a friendly reminder. You wanted to explain in detail why you still have SL as #1 scum read.
Ignored my question to explain her previous SL read all game. A bit changed since then. I am her #1 scum now.
But sicklucker is missing from her vigi/cop list:
On May 24 2015 11:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Good cop checks/vig shots
Dis
BF
Sulf(rather cop check)
And Breshke (Cop check)
What do we think of BM as a vig shot?
So I want to know her current thoughts on sicklucker and what made her reconsider, if she doesn't think he is scum anymore. Also @27ninjabunnies: If you really want me to be lynched I am expecting a solid case, but you don't have explained your reasons for lynching me very well, imo.
Next up: Sulfurus
After that I plan to look into all the sicklucker stuff that is happening.
After that I will see if I can see anything in vote timings. Though I guess that won't be easy.
So stay tuned.
And feel free to ask me stuff, I'll be around lots today.
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Sulfurus:
1)
On May 24 2015 06:04 Sulfurus wrote:For me the the person with the most useful reads and my top town is Barakos; he was the one who helped me townread Breshke and scumread Disformation with this post, he has shown a healthy suspicion of NinjaBunnies, and he influenced me to un-vote BM, along with SL, with his coinflip argument (for the record I still think SL is town).]
In the bolded post Barakos talks about sicklucker not me.
2)
On May 24 2015 15:04 Sulfurus wrote:
@Breshke I'll reread one more time and then I'll answer.
I'd like him to follow up on this.
3)
He also totally ignored my case/push on him. Maybe because I was the only one seeing something in this?
Don't get me wrong, he has a bunch of stuff I like. But I'd def. like to see a more of this guy, before I can give him a solid town read.
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EBWOP:
Or a solid scum read, if I don't like what I see. :p
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Damn. sicklucker's filter is hard to read/follow. xD
On May 23 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:
Hum barakos might be scum of the none lurkers / look like shit players. ill reread him when im back later.
Didn't follow up on that, never mentions barakos again.
Super confused as to who/why are his top scum reads.
#1 is rels of a feeling?
#2 is still me? of... of what exactly?
And here I was thinking I could read this guy come D2. *rolleyes*
Since nobody seem to be here at the moment, I'll take a break, lurk for a bit and look at the votes. 
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On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote:
hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1.
Great, looking forward to that.
Looking at the votes on scott:
rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him.
breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read.
On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote:
##Vote scott31337
I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter.
Oh and he also calls out scott earlier:
On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:I also kind of don't like this Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote:
oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow
*celebrate good times come on* What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left? When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy
Liking breshke a lot looking at this.
sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/
batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post.
On May 23 2015 12:03 batsnacks wrote:##vote sickluckerignore this it's nothing + Show Spoiler +but I'm probably not switching
TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that?
Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with:
On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote:
In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy.
Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit.
boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with:
On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote:
I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable.
goes ahead and votes scott:
On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote:
Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close.
Expresses some doubts here:
On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote:
wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply?
So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever."
Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this.
If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so:
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On May 25 2015 03:05 boxerfred wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 23:06 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 20:38 plotspot wrote:
hi guys, I've reached p23. p24 was where I first published my statistics. EoD was is p30, so I think I will take this too before I post a summary, as well as my reads on the remaining players for D1. Great, looking forward to that. Looking at the votes on scott: rels: pressures all the people with low/zero posts. did put a pressure vote on scott for basically only having 1-2 meh posts. scott tries to get rels off him, by saying he likes rels a lot. rels didn't seem impressed. scott never returns, so rels just keeps his vote on him. breskhe: also voting for doing jack. but also backs it up with a meta read. Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 12:21 Breshke wrote:
##Vote scott31337
I agree scott needs to lift his game. So does Bill murray to a degree both these people feel like coinflips at the moment. Like especially scott from just from looking at the three other games he has played seemed to have achieved the longest filter in his 1 town game even though he was only alive for one day compared to his scum games where he survived to D3 yet had a smaller filter. Oh and he also calls out scott earlier: Show nested quote +On May 22 2015 17:09 Breshke wrote:I also kind of don't like this On May 22 2015 12:00 scott31337 wrote:On May 22 2015 11:49 plotspot wrote:
oh lawl game has started, but I have to go to sleep now, see you tomorrow
*celebrate good times come on* What kind of post is this? You weren't even able to post any original thoughts before you left? When scott leaves right after it after having only one other post. Feels scummy Liking breshke a lot looking at this. sicklucker: votes batsnacks, quickly drops that vote. Either a joke vote, or realizing that this wagon won't go anywhere? Looks at the two available wagons, realizes that scott looks worse than me, throws his vote on him. Says N1 that he would have tried to get me lynched instead of scott, if he had been around EoD1. Not sure what to make of him atm. =/ batsnacks: had an earlier vote on scott, after looking at bunnies, sulf and scott. decided to vote scott out of that bunch. Then switches to sicklucker with that one super irritating post. TBH I was thinking batsnacks and sicklucker were just trolling each other there. But sicklucker is still going on about that? Well, batsnacks drops this vote on sicklucker super fast and votes scott with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 20:14 batsnacks wrote:
In all seriousness I can't vote SL or anyone for that matter over scott if he's not going to post before deadline. Even what he has is scummy. Since this aligns with his previous vote/read and the sicklucker vote was just a troll, I think this looks legit. boxerfred: annouces that he will vote for an inactive person with: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 17:03 boxerfred wrote:
I think I'll vote for whoever is really inactive. That's like the safest way to not lose someone who's really valuable. goes ahead and votes scott: Show nested quote +On May 23 2015 21:41 boxerfred wrote:
Okay. So ##vote scott31337 it is. I'll try to chime in before EOD to check if he posted something, however, I won't have the time to post for the next 6-8 hours. gonna be close. Expresses some doubts here: Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:47 boxerfred wrote:
wow back just in time. so we still coinflip on scott - i don't like this since it's really ruining the game. Is that where modkills apply? So... he goes from "I'll vote for whoever is really inactiv", which can imply "regardless of alignment" to "oh wow I really don't like to coinflip on the most inactive person ever." Not really liking this. boxerfred, I would love to explain your train of thought on this. If someone arrives at other conclusions from the votes, I would be down to talk about that. Will do some chores now so: That's quickly done: between me voting on inactive and me saying expressing I'm not too sure about a coinflip lay some posts elaborating on why coinflipping is doubtable.
Hm. Yeah, there were a few people talking about how lynching inactives is a coinflip and not really good. Since you only mention that once in your whole filter and then still go ahead and vote scott I am not sure, if I am willing to let that slide this easy.
On May 25 2015 03:05 boxerfred wrote:
Why did you jump the train in the end?
Good but very expected question. I explained it in this post:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2015 01:03 disformation wrote:Okay. As per pre game excuse I will leave in about a hour and be back 1-2 hours after EoD. While I still think we need more pressure on Sulfurus, because he hasn't done anything after his intial posts. Only came back to admit to a mistake I found in one of his early posts and left right after. Hasn't responded at all to the further inquiries and the case I put on him. All in all this makes me highly suspicious. But I have to leave soon and I can't see this wagon getting anywhere, especially with me gone, since I seem to be the only one willing to put pressure on him. My other main suspects were a) boxerfred, to whom I have warmed up on...(http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=28#543). Was going to say the same about b) bunnies, but I dislike that she didn't explain why she is still voting me and didn't touch my recent posts at all... at least her motivations seemed to be towny when I interacted with her. c) BM should also have more pressure on him for falling of incredibly hard... d) That basically leaves me with scott who hasn't done jack all game... But since I won't be around and I don't want to waste my vote I will have to vote on a wagon that looks like it will hit something. So I have to choose between disformation and scott. I know the alignment of one of those. I really! hope this won't be a repeat of last game though... NSM IX: we basically on had one super wagon on scott D1. He disappears. Comes into the thread like 1hour before deadline, posts a super towny post along with a OMGUS on me. Gets lynched anyway, flips town. Sad times. Super sry for not being around for EoD, had hoped this would start one day later.
To summarize:
1) As per pre game excuse I was going to be away the 5 hours leading to EoD.
2) Since nobody else was in the thread at a time (look at the timestamps), there was no way to get a decent wagon starting. And throwing away votes (looking at ticktoc here) is not going to help.
3) scott was on my suspect list anyway (and has been basically all game).
4) As the only other wagon at the time was me, another vote on scott made it harder to lynch me, since my absence could have been used to get more people on the disformation wagon, without me being able to defend against that. Note that this is pretty much NAI, as neither mafia nor town players like to get lynched.
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I am finding myself agreeing with tictock a lot.
Disagreeing a bit on the scum lean in plotspot. Is more of a null with a town lean. I really hope he will blow us out of the water with an awesome analysis of the finished D1 tables. :D
Having a bit of a hard time as to where I would place sicklucker, but put in relation to other people he starts to look scummier than most, but I will look at him again. Tbh I would love a cop check on him and would probably okay with a vig shot, trying to figure out that guy is getting tiresome. xD
Also still want to see more from Sulfurus still.
So my list right now would be:
27ninjabunnies
sicklucker
boxerfred
plotspot/Sulfurus: plz do contribute D2
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On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
You start tryharding on me. I couldn't say too much on your argumentation before (when Rels started to call out my "I'm a newb" posts) because I saw myself in a bad light and thus tried to do better, which worked - you started to warm up on me. If you still lean me towards scum, I have to assume that you're actively trying to get me lynched, making you SK or scum.
Yep, started to like you. Then I noticed that (at least in my mind) there was a gap in your filter around your scott vote. Which made me suspicious of you. So not still, but again. You are my #3 lynch target as of now, so of course I am trying to get you lynched. If you think someone is mafia you are trying to lynch him. Don't see problem here.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
[...]You're not a newbie and thus far, you managed to not get yourself into the line of fire very well.
This is my second mafia game on teamliquid.net , Haven't played forum mafia anywhere else. Played it a few times IRL though. I got a lot of flack for my smilies in the first game here, too. Can't see myself stopping that. My meta shall be known as "that-idiot-with-all-the-smilies", or something.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
[...]1) Not being 5hrs basically means "well I have to vote someone so I better pick". The easiest, cheapest and lowest risk (same move I took..) was voting Scott. I even voted him roughly 4-5 hours before you. Your last minute vote (and since you stated you'd not be there at EOD plus five hours before makes it that) on Scott could very well imply that you're a scum member and, knowing that Scott was scum too, you tried to withhold your vote for as long as possible. Your vote had been on Sulfurus before - which at that point was like the safest pick to choose if you do not want to get pinned down on your opinion on someone.
A lot of people had Sulfurus as a very high town read. Not a very safe vote in my opinion. Asks for attention. Still a bit unhappy that my formatting was suboptimal and got a lot people confused.
Also if we see that as a last minute vote, I had two choices. Me or scott.
See below.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
2) Was there? How about users not being logged in? Since I have literally 0 experience with the TL form of mafia, I can't tell if that actually indicates something. At least for me, when I'm on mobile, I do not auto-login. I rather lurk the thread and read, trying to set up arguments for my later reply. I never type from mobile though.
I have no clue if/how many people were lurking. So I look at who posted during that time:
I enter the thread at 14:35 my time: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/485267-newbie-student-mafia-x?page=27#540
You vote scott at 14:41 my time.
I make two posts at 15:13 and 15:17.
plot gives a status update at 15:40 and is gone after that.
another post by me at 15:43.
bunnies comes in at 17:36 votes me and says she won't be there.
at 18:03 I vote scott.
next one to enter the thread is ticktoc at 20:06.
There was 0 interaction in the thread. It put out some posts and nobody reacted to it. Sure there might have been people lurking, but all available information I had to work with, point out that I was the only one active in thread.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
3) Oh wow. Why was scott on your suspect list? Because of his inactivity if I recall correctly. Not because of any real clue, any words from him or even a read that someone else really had. Saying "I vote Scott for inactivity and jump the train because he's on my suspect list because he's inactive" is a recursional argument that does not really make sense. I agree that this is my weakest argument thus far, but I think that putting someone of whom you KNOW that he's scum (presuming you're scum ofc) on your suspect list from the very beginning is, speaking of long-term, an intelligent thing to do (especially if you can check your mafia qt and by that know that scott is not just inactive, but obviously not even lurking). Would make you look great if you put a fellow scum member on your "suspect" list in later rounds.
Scott didn't give me much to work with, yes. As you might have noticed I don't really like people not answering questions and not being active, because that doesn't give me information. Not giving me information makes me think you want to hide stuff. Thus I was suspicous of him nearly all game. Yes, I wish I had a better reason, but that's it.
Not really interested in talking about what may or may not have happened with scott and the Mafia QT. He may have indicated that he won't play, but then he left without even voting, which could have ended in a modkill... maybe he vanished. All super WIFOM and leading nowhere.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
4) Wow. You couldn't know that Scott was scum (...), so you jumped his train because you thought your own train would go on? Why? Rels is pretty much behind you, and so was I tbh.
sicklucker has expressed multiple times that he would vote me. People could have switched wagons. A lot of stuff can happen in the last hour before EoD. EoD1 of NSM IX was super crazy for example.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
[...]And then: after all, lynching inactive was a coinflip. So you (as a townie) take a coinflip because "well hopefully I'll survive"?
I am 100% town, scott is a lot less % town. I would make this play every day, every game.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
[...]Also, I assume you were knowing of your absence in before, so you could have very well tried to a) derail your own train or b) try to start another train.
I tried getting a Sulfurus train started Friday. Had I known that the acivity levels Saturday would be so abyssal I might have tried something else.
How do I derail a train, when the people on that train are not talking to me? bunnies literally came in the thread saying "oh let me ignore your last posts, I am going to vote you anyway. going camping now, cucu".
plotspot was like "hey guys still updating my stuff, i'll ignore everything else."
How do you derail this, if you have any idea let me know, I'll write it down for next time.
On May 25 2015 04:39 boxerfred wrote:
[...]not commiting to anything. Seems like a survivor role to me which screams for SK (or maybe vigi to find a potential target). At this point, I'm rather convinced that you are either sk, scum or a townie who has a horrible read on me.
Yeah, not commiting and waffling a lot about people is one of my weak points. Had that problem previous game, too.
Incidentally your conclusion is that I could be every role in the game.
Also: You are getting super defensive the first time someone does a real push on you. You shouldn't need to at this point. You have 0 votes on your head. I think nearly everyone would agree to lynch either me, bunnies or sicklucker first. This makes me want to lean even more scum on you. inb4 we start to OMGUS at each other a lot.
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On May 25 2015 06:08 boxerfred wrote:
"I am 100% town, scott is a lot less % town. I would make this play every day, every game."
That's blatant. Especially when there's 3 people not thinking like that and voting you on day 1. Even assuming that the 3 votes did not contain 2 scum votes.
No. I am 100% sure that I am town. I have a PM that says so.
I have no clue what the PM the other guy got says, so I am a lot less sure about him.
So I will make this play, every day, every game.
As either alignment, which means that this doesn't give you any indication at all if I am mafia or town.
On May 25 2015 06:11 boxerfred wrote:
"I have no clue if/how many people were lurking. So I look at who posted during that time:"
Yeah and that's where you're wrong. You can guess and those counts might support your guess but you cannot be sure. So your point loses a lot of credibility in my eyes.
Not getting what you are trying to say. Of course I can't be 100% sure that no one is around. I don't have super vision to magically see who is lurking. Look at the thread at the time, it feels fucking deserted. No point in throwing out a case at that time.
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On May 25 2015 06:35 boxerfred wrote:
I too am 100% sure that I am town. I too have a PM that says so.
Saying "I am 100% sure that I am town" to state a reason for a play is the least believable thing one could ever say. And you clearly know this, thus you're accounting that people take that seriously and actually believe you. I like Rels' call on you being SK potentially. I really don't want to get on the train that votes you since I think it's like the worst thing to do if someone pushes you. But at this point, I feel like I don't have a choice.
If you have the choice to:
a) lynch yourself
b) lynch somebody else
What are you going to do each single time? Regardless of alignment.
On May 25 2015 06:35 boxerfred wrote:
"Not getting what you are trying to say."
I'm trying to say that you cannot know something for sure and the measure you take to prove your point is insufficient, proving your argument as not valid.
Okay, what should I have done in your opinion? Throwing out a case and see if it sticks? Even if I am not around? Who is that going to help?
We are going to OMGUS at each other all of Day2. I'm calling it.
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On May 25 2015 05:56 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I did ask, and never received an answer.
Isnt there a possibility as EOD got closer, mafia voted in their partner to look townie as they new he would be killed?
Curious
Where did you ask this? Only similar question I found in your filter is:
On May 24 2015 06:57 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2015 06:55 Tictock wrote:Well.. there's only one thing to do at a time like this... Do you think mafia are on scott?
And yes of course there is a possibility for that.
I am currently trying to explain my thought to boxerfred.
The other two "late" votes where sicklucker and batsnacks. batsnacks had him scummed earlier. I can see sicklucker voting for him to look more townie. Didn't he even argument how townie he is for lynching scott, at the beginning of N1?
Will look into that.
But I also want a lot of answers from you.
Taking a short break. Talking to boxerfred is exhausting.
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