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sandroba
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Yamato and GB are more likely town, especially since the former activity's picked up. Regarding Bill Murray, I'm not sure I buy the explanations he's had after the fact. There are a few things that I must point out: On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote: The only defense I need is the timing of when I shot my nukes. I wanted to either fire my nukes during the early or late portions of the cycle. If you look at the cycle as the twin turbine engines of a Boeing 747, it's the risky portions! Takeoff and Landing... That's a bad example. If you look at my nukes as a woman, I wanted it to be her eyes. You see, I didn't expect to make it out of the night. Why would I? I always get killed Night 1. The last 3 games I've played I've gotten N1, and now I'm get to get D1ed when I was to be getting to flip someone I thought was scum. I have meta on Trfel and his play is different this game than last. If he active lurks as mafia like he does as town (most mafia do) then he's fucking mafia. Am I misreading the bolded? So you're acknowledging that he does active lurk as town but somehow you made another differentiator that early in the game to determine he's mafia? It doesn't add up how you made that judgement so early in the game where a number of people were lurking. On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote:My first nuke was fired in my first post of the cycle. I wanted to create discussion, and I was firing based upon (at the time) my strongest scumread. I had been reading filters, and the moment I saw Trfel's meager 1 post, I didn't even have to read it to think he was scum. It was just completely a content difference from the last game I played in when we both got killed Night 1 as town together. I thought he was scum that game, too... Bad of me, but everyone makes mistakes, just like I did here. My Nuke was fired during takeoff! My real rocket, at Trufel, I posted it in my first post! I wanted to go ahead and get shit out in the open. If you have a hindrance you claim it, you let people know. I guess I should have told everyone that I had nukes... but what if people didn't want me to fire it? what if you guys just started to vote me and i didnt get to fire it at all? that wasnt going to fly. What if I had explained to the people that didn't know me that I am really bad at town and used to be policy lynched for my play which is much like this that is happening to me right now. I am having memories of 5 years ago when RebirthofLegend, LSB, and Jackal58 would spam "Policy lynch BM" just to be utter dickheads to me which wasn't fucking cool at all. Two questions/issues arise from this: 1 No one was scumreading Trfel at the time you launched a nuke (not that I remember) - 1-2 were cautious maybe?, Rasputin I think was calling him lazy. But you pushing Trfel hard would have gotten the attention needed without the use of a nuke. 2 The second bolded statement - if you're realising these mistakes now, why is history repeating itself? Did you really think with the current reads in the thead - and the way you listed me, Trfel and TD's names (though you acknowledged you misread me) - people were going to be thrilled with you nuking someone? You didn't see the suboptimal play happening when you know you've been policied for it before? It doesn't make sense to explain all this after the fact. Or rather I'm not finding it credible. That all said, I'm disappointed in Trfel not coming forth with his suspicions of other people, but I've seen him do similar things as town (example - Newbie LX) refusing to give reads the entire cycle or something like that. On meta, it doesn't make him mafia. On May 12 2015 11:57 Bill Murray wrote: I just don't want to get killed in the first damn cycle again. Come on, guys. I want to help lynch people and make good cases on people. please  BM, if you're here, I'm not sure either of Onegu or Trfel are getting lynched. Do you have any other scumreads? Also general question - I've not played ever with a pardoner, how does that work? If GB pardons BM, everyone on his wagon has to vote someone else? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 12 2015 19:36 sandroba wrote: @marv I noticed a certain absence of stutters in your proposed lynches and would like to know why that is. Stutters is an anti-D1 player, pretty much the same category as players like VA, kushm4sta, etc he will not contribute much of anything D1 as either alignment. D2, he picks it up as both alignments, and it's much easier to evaluate him starting post-lynch. NSM9 just ended and he explained in that game RL was keeping him busy. In any case, he's a policy lynch to me. | ||
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On May 12 2015 14:07 Trfel wrote: Actually.... RebirthOfLeGenD just ninja-voted (well, he explained it like 12 hours ago). Why is he present enough to vote in the voting thread, but not to read/post in this thread? I heard justanothertownie say that he can be extremely lazy as town, can someone confirm if this is true? Otherwise I could very easily lynch him. I forgot ROL even existed. He's also policy for me at this point. That all said Trfel, do you have any additional scumreads? Not looking like it from your filter. I know even LS called you on it too, now that BM's been pardoned, who are you going to vote for now? | ||
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GlowingBear
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On May 12 2015 21:17 sandroba wrote: Except that he isn't tunneled. He was calling trfel town prior to that and made that post and flipped his read again. It look to me more that he was desperate and trying to get something to stick. I don't believe he was tunneled at all. He deliberately left out part of the first post and lied about the time between the 2 posts. I've just filter dived him and never found a town read on truffle... Not even once... BM being mafia isn't outside the realm of possibilities. But for me he is looking much more townie than mafia + people I scumread voted him + your unnatural flip made me wary | ||
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sandroba
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On May 12 2015 07:47 Bill Murray wrote: you don't think trfel is town? i have been calling him town since i noticed hes actively lurking Theres no point pushing something that won't get anything done. you know i have had you as a town read all game but im an idiot an idiot that can read you Onegu has claimed scum openly. I'm 90% sure Onegu is scum you mean BM how is openly claiming traitor really a bad strategy? You get called out on it, you WIFOM and say you were kidding, exactly what you're doing here. you also directly said you werent traitor. wnat me to quote that too?? it just all adds up to being fishy no my point isnt that you "claimed traitor" my point is that you claimed traitor. you literally claimed traitor. In no way am I claiming mafia. I'm claiming BH is mafia. BH, Marv, and Palmar are my top 3 suspects. Onegu has resorted to Appealing to emotion thank god someone agreed with me took me 5 seconds. | ||
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sandroba
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On May 12 2015 21:38 GlowingBear wrote: I've just filter dived him and never found a town read on truffle... Not even once... BM being mafia isn't outside the realm of possibilities. But for me he is looking much more townie than mafia + people I scumread voted him + your unnatural flip made me wary How can you say my flip was unnatural if you say my point on him is okay? BM deliberately hiding something from trfel post and lying about the time frame isn't enough for me to say he isn't townie? | ||
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On May 12 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote: I don't think VE is mafia and I hate the fact I disagree with you on everything sandroba. I hate this fact too. Maybe you can do some digging and give me someting then? I'm trying to find a good lynch and you don't look like you are helping one bit. | ||
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On May 12 2015 21:34 sandroba wrote: I would like to lynch between RoL, VE, stutters and bats today if BM is not an option. Every other player did posted something townie to lesser or greater degrees in my eyes at some point. These 4 I can't find anything townie about them. Three of those four are policy. ROL/Stutters lurk as either alignment. Bats tends to lurk more as mafia than town, but he lurked hard in Aperture 4 as town. You could (statistically) argue that Bats is a scummy lurker, but there are better lynches IMO. VE to me has been forgettable but nothing jumped out to me as scumlike for him. How are you not lynching Vivax or Xatalos? | ||
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Half the Sky
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On May 12 2015 21:35 sandroba wrote: Actually taking meta into account VE might be the best lynch for today. I played one game with him - Hammertime, a 9-player game. He was town. Didn't spam a whole lot, but wasn't particularly remarkable that game. He made some decent reads though by mid-game and he did figure out one of the scummers. How is he jumping out as scummy to you? He doesn't/didn't strike me as a town leader. (Anyone else who knows VE well can also comment.) | ||
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TalkingDead
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On May 12 2015 21:42 Palmar wrote: I don't think VE is mafia and I hate the fact I disagree with you on everything sandroba. This. So much this. I don't even understand why VisceraEyes is even on that list in the first place. I think his reads are wrong, but they're also pretty exceptionally egocentric. That in the least heavily points toward town VisceraEyes. I wouldn't put VisceraEyes anywhere near being a good lynch let alone a good policy lynch. | ||
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I know Kelsier brought it up in his latest list of reads but for emphasis, if JAT could grace us yet again with his wisdom, that would be quite grand. We miss his insights  (Seriously, wish he'd be contributing more. Yamato is probably on to something.) | ||
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On May 12 2015 22:00 TalkingDead wrote: Sandroba your reads have for the most part been so exceptionally off base that I'm really struggling to see you as misguided. First it's been a while since I played town and it's very possible I currently suck at this game. Secondly you can't know that for sure, unless you are scum. The read I felt more strongly about currently can't be lynch and I do believe I'm correct on that one. | ||
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